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GCSB protest – Auckland tonight

Written By: - Date published: 9:35 am, July 24th, 2013 - 145 comments
Categories: activism, boycott, police, Spying - Tags: , ,

To say that the GCSB law changes are misguided is the kindest possible interpretation, but many people including myself tend to view them as being quite malevolent. They aren’t going to provide any more security for citizens and residents here. But they are going to provide more security for incompetents in the security and police forces from both public and legal scrutiny.

If they pass in parliament (the select committee reports back on the 26th), then they will pass with the narrowest of majorities. The public figleaf and whatever grotty hidden deal Peter Dunne carved out for himself (to no-one’s surprise except possibly to his increasingly erratic self), are meaningless in terms of the intent of this bill because it is simply a bad bill. The range of people who are opposed to this particularly bad and obscenely hurried legislation speaks for itself.

Which is why there will be a public protests at 2pm on the 27th and a protest meeting at the Mt Albert War Memorial tomorrow.

GCSB-Mtg-25-July-2013

Updated: This meeting will be streamed live apparently. I’ll put up the details when I find them out.

Video On Demand: Stop The GCSB Bill Public Meeting

Updated: it is packed, and people are still incoming.

145 comments on “GCSB protest – Auckland tonight”

  1. (Probably won’t apply to many readers of ‘The Standard’ ? 🙂

    This should be of particular interest to Libertarians and (presumably) all those ACT Party members/supporters who are opposed to ‘Nanny State’ and believe in citizens lawful rights to privacy and ‘freedom of expression’?

    Seen this?

    24 July 2013

    “Media Release:

    Sir Edmund Thomas to chair Stop the GCSB Bill meeting

    The Stop the GCSB Bill coalition is pleased to announce that retired Supreme Court Judge Sir Edmund Thomas will chair the “Stop the GCSB Bill” public meeting to be held in Auckland tomorrow night (Thursday 25th July) at 7pm at Mt Albert War Memorial Hall.

    The speakers at the meeting are –
    · Dame Anne Salmond – anthropologist, author and New Zealander of the Year
    · Dr Rodney Harrison QC – presented the Law Society submission on GCSB Bill
    · Kim Dotcom – the most high profile victim of illegal GCSB spying
    · Thomas Beagle – from Tech Liberty – concerned with civil liberties online

    There is widespread concern about this bill and that concern is unabated by the “deal” done by Peter Dunne with the National government to secure support for the bill.

    The bill which legalises mass surveillance of New Zealanders remains fundamentally unchanged.

    Such has been the level of interest in the public meeting from people around the country that the public meeting will be streamed live on the internet across New Zealand and around the world.

    The Stop the GCSB Coalition will also be organising a rally and march to oppose the bill this Saturday (27th July) gathering at Aotea Square at 2pm.

    Mike Treen
    Interim Spokesperson ”
    _________________________________________________________________________

    Penny Bright

    http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz/

    • Mary 1.1

      Even the opinions of judges of the highest court of the land are ignored but of course our Johnny knows best. Key’s arrogance is dumbfounding.

  2. Sable 2

    I hope as many people in Auckland attend as possible, although it will no doubt pass anyway it sends a message to other parties that this is an important issue if they want to be elected. I’m Wellington based but will be keeping a look out for similar protests here in the capital.

    • Santi 2.1

      Count the organisers lucky if one hundred people turn up.

      • muzza 2.1.1

        Would that make you feel good, santi?

      • AmaKiwi 2.1.2

        @ Santi

        You seem very unconcerned. You realize the first target of domestic spying is people with mental disorders and no moral compass.

        • Colonial Viper 2.1.2.1

          Anyone demonstrating any political activism whatsoever is also on the list. In the US it appears that the IRS targeted both Conservative groups AND Progressive groups.

          • Rosetinted 2.1.2.1.1

            CV
            What other leading people have been listened in to in different countries? Do some come to mind? I seem to remember reading some startling cases.

            • Colonial Viper 2.1.2.1.1.1

              One of the original NSA whistleblowers said that he had once held communications intercepts in his hand of one Justice Alito, US Supreme Court.

              It was also claimed that they were intercepting all of Barack Obama’s communications before he began his run for Senate.

              Democracy cannot function under these conditions.

      • Sable 2.1.3

        People are too worried about jobs and keeping their heads above water, its unfortunate but understandable if the turnout is low…

      • North 2.1.4

        Skanky @ 2.1………that wager’s still on you supporter of fascism defined !

  3. King Kong 3

    The GCSB asked me to tell you that the 9 of you who turn up tommorow will be spied on.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 3.1

      The Stasi called. They want their jokes back.

    • lprent 3.2

      It is likely to be quite a wide protest. This particular notice came to me via Lyn from a source well outside of the usual left activist movements. It was from the tech side.

      I have also now received it from several other mailing groups. I think that this may wind up as being one of those widespread coalitions with a consequently larger protest numbers.

      • One Anonymous Knucklehead 3.2.1

        The New Zealand Law Society “… is concerned that a number of recent legislative measures are fundamentally in conflict with the rule of law.”

        United Nations: Universal Periodic Review, 17 June 2013.

        The GCSB bill is the latest in a series.

      • King Kong 3.2.2

        Good luck with that

        • quartz 3.2.2.1

          Frankly, King Kong, I’m looking forward to Trevor Mallard getting your IP address, identifying you, and going through your tax and medical records once Labour’s back in government.

          I imagine the gems he shares around will be hilarious.

    • Arfamo 3.3

      The GCSB asked me to tell you that the 9 of you who turn up tommorow will be spied on.

      The GCSB asked me to tell you that the 9 of them who turned up couldn’t be spied on because over 400 other people there got in the way.

  4. AmaKiwi 4

    LPRENT

    Could you please reformat this notice so I can easily print it on A4 (or one half of an A4 and cut them in half).

    I will distribute them around my neighborhood.

    Many thanks,

    AmaKiwi

    • AmaKiwi 4.1

      LPRENT

      Please ignore my previous request. I figured it out. I click on the poster image and then print it.

      Thank you.

      • lprent 4.1.1

        There is also a PDF here. But the image on this site should be fullsize if you click into it (as you have found)

        Surprisingly it was Lyn who ordered suggested that I should post this.

        • karol 4.1.1.1

          A couple of days ago, in this post, I included a copy of the poster that I got from the Daily Blog. Bomber and others on DTB (like Mike Treen) have posted a lot on the meeting tomorrow & Saturday’s protest.

          I hope all the posts and emails about it mean the attendance will be good!

  5. tracey 5

    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10902099

    why 2pm on a weekday?

    7pm for the meeting makes sense.

    I would back rodney harrisons analysis over john keys in a heartbeat.

    • lprent 5.1

      The 27th for the protests is Saturday. 2pm is a good time for a weekend protest.

      I guess like me, the week is disappearing on you…

  6. tracey 6

    Sorry misread. Stand corrected and will go on saturday

    • karol 6.1

      I can’t make it on Saturday, unfortunately – too short a notice to get time off work.

      However, I’ll try to get to the meeting tomorrow evening. Sounds like a great line up of speakers.

  7. tracey 7

    I wonder how many people who dont give a shit about this bill got their undies in a tangle over the electoral finance act…

  8. Blue 8

    Don’t know Tracey, but of course I don’t really give a shit.

  9. Veutoviper 9

    The latest press release from the coalition about tomorrow night’s public meeting in Auckland states that it will live streamed ‘on the internet’ – but not where.

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1307/S00302/sir-edmund-thomas-to-chair-stop-the-gcsb-bill-meeting.htm

    Does anyone know where it will be livestreamed?

    EDIT – The Daily Blog now states that details about the livestream will be announced later today.

  10. The NSA 10

    Puny humans.
    If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.

  11. Rosetinted 11

    Venues for lots of Saturday’s GCSB protests.
    http://allevents.in/Hamilton/Protesting-the-GCSB-TICS-Bills-Hamilton/651961298167053

    GCSB Protest – Nelson Saturday 27/7/2013
    Nelson Mail
    The Nelson rally will start at 2pm from Millers Acre, Halifax St, along Trafalgar St to the 1903 site by the Church Steps.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/8948345/Nelson-protest-planned-against-spy-bill

    Palmerston North
    When:Sat 27 Jul, 2:00pm–3:30pm
    Where:
    The Square, The Square, Palmerston North
    http://www.eventfinder.co.nz/2013/masquerade-against-the-gcsb-and-tics-bills/palmerston-north

    etc

    • lprent 11.1

      Keep putting links in here as you (or others) find them (I didn’t have time to look this morning) and one of us will do a further post with venues and assembly points on early friday.

  12. Have sent this around the PLANET.

    ‘Open Letter’ to the UN ‘Universal Periodic Review’ (UPR) Programme Manager
    re: NZ Prime Minister John Key’s threats against the NZ Human Rights Commission.

    24 July 2013

    Enkeleda Papa
    Programme Manager
    UPR Info
    Rue de Varemble 3

    Dear Enkeleda,

    I am again ‘blowing the whistle’ to warn the international human rights community, at the highest levels, about the threats made by NZ Prime Minister John Key, against the NZ Human Rights Commission, for ‘doing their job,’ and trying to protect the lawful human rights of New Zealand citizens to privacy.

    This follows a report made by the NZ Human Rights Commission, directly to the Prime Minister, exercising their lawful right to so do, under the Human Rights Act 1993:

    http://www.hrc.co.nz/2013/human-rights-commission-releases-report-to-prime-minister-on-security-and-intelligence-matters

    “The Human Rights Commission has released its report to the Prime Minister on the Government Communications Security Bureauand Related Legislation Amendment Bill, the Telecommunications (Interception Capability and Security) Bill and broader human rights matters regarding surveillance.

    Chief Commissioner David Rutherford said the Commission used itsdirect reporting function under the Human Rights Act 1993 due to the seriousness of the proposed Bills’ measures and the need for proper oversight of the surveillance activities of intelligence agencies.

    “The Commission is concerned that the proposed Bills are wide-reaching without sufficient safeguards against abuse of power.

    There is inadequate oversight and inadequate provision for ensuring transparency and accountability.

    The Commission notes media reports that these issues are matters of discussion between some of the leaders of political parties in New Zealand.

    “The Commission recognises that some level of surveillance is inevitable and justifiable from a human rights perspective in a democratic society. However, surveillance can be subject to human rights principles, protecting human rights and limiting them only when proportionate and justified and in accordance with the law.

    “The right to privacy is fundamental in a democracy and reinforces other fundamental rights, such as rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly. The proposed restrictions on the right to privacy are too general to be proportionate to the Bills’ objectives.

    “We note that the Bills were introduced before the recent media exposure of the extent of mass surveillance by some States party to the Five Eyes arrangement. Public trust in Government intelligence agencies is at risk if surveillance activities aren’t being conducted appropriately and seen to be so.

    “It is in the interests of our intelligence agencies to have appropriate transparency and accountability mechanisms in place to maintain public trust. We believe much of the public’s concerns could be alleviated if there was satisfactory oversight of surveillance powers and we propose an independent cross-party select committee to oversee intelligence agencies,” said Mr Rutherford. ..”

    ______________________________________________________________________________

    The response by Prime Minister John Key, was to effectively mislead the New Zealand public about the nature of this report (it was NOT a submission on the Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill) – and to effectively threaten the future funding of the New Zealand Human Rights Commission:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8913615/Key-slams-watchdog-report-on-spying-laws

    “…Prime Minister John Key appeared to threaten Human Rights Commission funding after the watchdog issued a damning report on new spying laws.

    The commission yesterday released critical views on two proposed bills aimed at beefing up the powers of New Zealand’s intelligence agencies.

    It has recommended an immediate inquiry into the security services and warns the new legislation may breach human rights.

    The watchdog chose to exercise powers to report directly to Mr Key on its concerns, only the fourth time it has done so.

    However, Mr Key hit back at the release of the report, questioning why the commission did not meet a deadline for public submissions, and issuing a thinly veiled threat about its funding.

    “I actually didn’t think it was a very good submission at all and I think they need to pull their socks up and if they are going to continue to be a government-funded organisation they should meet the deadlines like everyone else did.”

    He argued much of the report drew from other submissions on the legislation. “The Government is confident it has got those issues in hand.”

    Chief Commissioner David Rutherford defended the timing of the report, saying it was meeting concerns about the wider intelligence community, not making a submission on the Government Communications Security Bureau bill.

    Responding to Mr Key’s reference to funding, Mr Rutherford said the commission was an independent body and would continue to carry out its work independent of the Government. …..”

    ______________________________________________________________________________

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption/anti-privatisation’ campaigner

    2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate

    http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz/

  13. idlegus 13

    Dunedin at the Octagon 2pm. No link, but theres posters up/

  14. democracy 14

    The GCSB bill designed to cover its activities from the democratic rights of nzers to hold the actions of GCSB accountable to public notice and recourse about sums it up for me.

  15. Penny Bright 15

    Looking forward to John Key getting his summons!

    http://dnews.co.nz/node/20

    Well – whoever expected the DEFENDANT John Banks to end up in the dock?

    Penny Bright

    http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz

    • Veutoviper 16.1

      Thanks weka. Been busy all afternoon, but this is a ‘must’ for me in Wgtn – get f..ked earthquakes!

    • Veutoviper 16.2

      A live stream will also be available through The Daily Blog of tonight’s meeting in Auckland (7pm)

      “There will be a live page on The Daily Blog streaming the event, and also on Live.TheDailyBlog.co.nz.”

  16. Follow-the-money 17

    Yeah, I keep wondering why the (so impartial) Herald has missed the story of why ACT, as a rabidly-liberal party, could possibly support even a moderated version of this bill. How must it feel, for ACT supporters, to know that their right to personal freedom would be better protected, in this case, by the Greens or Labour?

    Also, remember – Kim Dotcom got spied on, even without it being legal.

    Also, remeber the days when, to see comedic people with oversized bow ties and funny hair, we went to the circus?

    • North 17.1

      Follow-The-Money @ 17……….it’s called “Shonkey Python’s Flying Circus”.

  17. karol 18

    Dame Anne Salmond: “Remind our PM he is there to represent us, not to rule us”.

  18. TEA 19

    Bring on nanny state,

  19. karol 20

    Lost the Live Stream online.

  20. weka 21

    “Mass surveillance is what happens when the government is scared of the people”

    Thomas Beagle.

  21. weka 22

    I hope someone is taping this, it’s very good.

  22. weka 23

    That judge is funny.

  23. karol 24

    Go Cunliffe! – “This legislation must not stand!”

    And the Greens….

    • weka 24.1

      he was good! Hope he doesn’t get slapped for upstaging Shearer.

      • karol 24.1.1

        So, Cunliffe committed a Labour-led government to repeal the Bill?!

        • weka 24.1.1.1

          Looked like it. Interesting move at this point in time. If the Labour caucus have actually discussed this and reached that conclusion, then why aren’t they putting out press statements?

          Good to see Shearer at the meeting, but the cynic in me thinks it was for the wrong reasons. I can’t decide whether I wish he had been able to answer the questions or if it’s better that he didn’t.

          • Arfamo 24.1.1.1.1

            I suspect he was having the same internal dialogue himself. I reckon he made the right choice. 🙂

          • Saarbo 24.1.1.1.2

            Was Shearer there? I didnt spot him. Thought he would have responded to the question on whether Labour would repeal this legislation if passed?

            • Arfamo 24.1.1.1.2.1

              Yeah he was there, up the back. Saw him dithering about, but he may have arrived late.

              • Saarbo

                That sums him up…half arsed, half committed, half a brain…

                • weka

                  to be fair (not sure why), but it did look like they couldn’t easily get the mike to him, so Cunliffe took it? Or maybe the judge directed the mike to Cunliffe (couldn’t see that bit).

                  • Olwyn

                    Either way, Cunliffe saved him from having to say, “I will think about possibly having an inquiry” or some such to an enthusiastic audience.

                  • gobsmacked

                    Of course, everyone would have known Shearer was there if he’d used his retinue of paid staffers and hangers-on to TELL the whole frigging nation he was going to be there, and why. Press releases? Twitter? Facebook? Labour website? Every interview, every opportunity, every time … but no, there’s nothing.

                    Shearer’s ‘small target’ strategy is that he doesn’t take a stand and so the vacuum has to be filled. Thank goodness Cunliffe was there to do it.

                  • North

                    Weka…….your comment about the microphone…….that’s not “to be fair”. That’s to be indulgent.

            • North 24.1.1.1.2.2

              Nah…….but Cunliffe did. And wasn’t he excellent ? Very cleverly slipping through into the ” ‘I’ would…….”

              See poor old DS up the back loooking uncomfortable ? Bet the ABCs were spewing.

  24. weka 25

    Is Mr Dunne in the house? lolz

  25. karol 26

    There’s a centrist element to some comments, that wants to find a “nice” way to oppose the Bill.

    Not sure about the call to end “poltical” comments from the crowd – I guess it means no more comments from (grandstanding?) politicians?

    • weka 26.1

      Interesting Karol. I’d call it a very white upper middle class meeting, but both feet in the left. Pity the working class guy couldn’t get a good question out.

      I think the no more politics thing was to stop that questioner about a new centre party from pushing an agenda.

      edit: a very white upper middle class controlled meeting.

      • weka 26.1.1

        edit: a very white upper middle class controlled meeting.

        (other edit went into moderation).

        • handle 26.1.1.1

          Several of them couldn’t form a question despite being warned in no uncertain terms by the chair to stop waffling. Your chap was one of the worst offenders.

    • Arfamo 26.2

      No. They need to keep control of this thing. The last thing needed is people droning on about their political philosophies, and class warfare, and conspiracy theories and their own wonderfulness. It needs to stay relevant and focussed on the GCSB legislation and the threat to democracy and justice it represents.

      • karol 26.2.1

        They do need to keep a check on the over-long comments and speechifying and keeping questions/comments short.

      • Rosetinted 26.2.2

        Arfamo
        Once ran a political meeting and had a timekeeper. Went well. It sharpens minds wonderfully and the message doesn’t get lost in the wrapping. And more people get time to speak.

        There is a time constraint on your average evening meeting – people travel to get to a venue, or have limited time available, and it’s not useful to advancing the cause to have someone hold the floor for long. Unless it’s the/one of the speakers who should be people with valuable insight and experience.

  26. gobsmacked 27

    Mods – Please post some of the pictures of the packed, standing room only meeting (e.g. on Twitter). The fools and cynics upthread need to see the truth they sadly deny.

    Well done to all who turned up (sorry I couldn’t make it). Great to hear such wide-ranging opposition to this shameful bill.

    Also well done to Campbell Live and the New Zealander of the Year Anne Salmond tonight. Very eloquent.

  27. karol 28

    Ooo. Dotcom. Sisi wouldn’t let him and his wife into NZ, then reversed decision a day after John key met (who?) in the US.

    Basically. KDC is saying Key let him into NZ in order to cooperate with the US agencies in getting KDC.

    • Jenny 28.1

      What is even more interesting is that Kim Dotcom has said previously that if he had been denied entry into NZ then he would have gone with his family to settle in Hong Kong. Where, and this is the significant part, he would have been safe from any attempted extradition from the US.

      I think the point is, that, realising that KDC could get away from them, the US authorities asked John Key to reverse their objection to allowing him into the country.

      The decision to reverse the objection to KDC gaining residency was dropped the day after concerned Hollywood moguls and US authorities met with John Key.

      A coincidence?

      KDC thinks not.

      Kim Dotcom say his team are making strenuous efforts to uncover the reasons for the reversal of the SIS decision not to allow him entry into NZ.

      The SIS the GCSB the Prime Minister’s office are citing concerns of National Security for not releasing the reasons they had for not releasing this information.

      Really.

      What a joke.

  28. weka 29

    Good on that woman! We need some strategies for the public to use now.

    • karol 29.1

      Well, though I can’t make the demo, I hope this high profile meeting and promotion of the Demo means it’ll be a big one.

      Damn! I wish they’d announced the demo a couple of weeks earlier so I could have booked time off work.

  29. Saarbo 30

    WOW, just attended…awesome speakers. Mt Albert War Memorial overflowing!!!!

    I hope someone can provide the audio from the 4 speakers. This legislation cannot be allowed to stand… all 4 were great, I particularly enjoyed Dame Anne Salmond.

    Cunliffe was put on the spot, he had to think quickly on his feet…Cunliffe needs to lead Labour!

    • karol 30.1

      What was the question? – I missed some bits when the vid player was buffering.

      • Saarbo 30.1.1

        Whether Labour would repeal the legislation if passed (and labour got in govt 2014)?

        • karol 30.1.1.1

          Oh. Hilarious. The question that Cunliffe answers is about 1hr 15 mins into the video.

          The question is asked. The camera pans to Shearer and Parker. Someone of camera calls “Dave” – Shearer is going “me” and is about to step to the Mic. Cunliffe takes the mic.

          • Arfamo 30.1.1.1.1

            Whoops. 🙂 How did that happen? Never mind. Worked out well in the end.

            • Saarbo 30.1.1.1.1.1

              ok, I just saw that on the vid…well this is classic Shearer. He needed to get there early, get seen, get a prominent seat…he simply doesn’t know how to be a politician. Ideally all Labour politicians should have been sitting together.

              I got there early and saw Cunliffe turn up well before 7.00am and get a front seat…thats what Shearer should have done.

              He needs to stop firing his advisors and start looking in the mirror.

    • karol 30.2

      Better than audio – the whole video.

      • Saarbo 30.2.1

        Good work Karol (as usual!)

      • Arfamo 30.2.2

        +1 Good ol’ Bomber.

      • Jenny 30.2.3

        Is this one dithering stumble bum performance too far?

        Video On Demand: Stop The GCSB Bill Public Meeting

        01:14:44

        A question from the floor

        Does anyone know that when the opposition becomes the government in 2014, whether they will repeal this bill?

        (applause)

        A simple question. People want to know the answer.

        The camera pans towards David Shearer. David Shearer’s hand waving and fluttering in the air, stepping forward stepping back. With voices calling for him to comment. Mute, David Shearer looks at the floor, crosses his arms, looks to David Parker, giving a small nervous/embarrassed chuckle. Finally, David Cunliffe has to step in to save Shearer further embarrassing himself.
        (Despite some people rudely talking over him.) Drawing on Labour Party history Cunliffe gives a lyrical reply, with a spontaneous emotional and dramatic, maybe hokey, but obviously sincerely heartfelt introduction.

        Sometimes you have issues where you can feel your ancestors fluttering around the ceiling.

        The Labour Party has a proud tradition of taking on evil and iniquitous legislation, apartheid, anti-nuclear and other things of that nature.

        Our leader has committed to a thorough review of this legislation. And based upon what we have heard here tonight. I personally, and I am sure my caucus colleagues would be of the view that this legislation, must not, will not, and cannot stand.

        (lone booing, long applause)

        • Arfamo 30.2.3.1

          I just watched it again. David Cunliffe does Shearer’s job and does it better than he ever could.

        • Colonial Viper 30.2.3.2

          Someone booed?

          There’s always some fascist jerk looking for a job as a brown shirt in an authoritarian state.

          • Jenny 30.2.3.2.1

            More likely the Shearer led Labour Party.

            Also for the only time in this meeting the chair has to call order to stop interjecting and talking over a speaker.

            More Shearer job seekers?

    • Hami Shearlie 30.3

      Agree totally, Saarbo! It gets more obvious every time Cunliffe opens his mouth that he should be Labour’s Leader. John Key would crumble into dust if that happened. So WHY is Shearer still there??

      • tricledrown 30.3.1

        Hami other leadership hopefuls are conniving to position themselves just like key did brash in

        • Hami Shearlie 30.3.1.1

          Slight problem for them though, tricledrown, and that is – that THEY have no charisma, maybe no electorate seat, or came THIRD in the party vote in their electorate – There’s no-one angling for the leadership that has popularity with the public, a great profile and majority in their electorate, and the brains and oratory to take on John Key – no one except David Cunliffe, that is! I really get the impression that Labour are quite happy to be in opposition – after all, they don’t have to do much and most of them get paid the same money – There’s just that little thing about the country and the peoples’ lives going down the gurgler, but to many Labour MP’s, that’s a mere trifle they can swat away without too much concern.

          • Jenny 30.3.1.1.1

            As Chris Trotter is fond of saying: The Shearer gang would rather keep control of the losers, than lose control of the winners.

  30. North 31

    I am yelling and leaping around ! I am ecstatic !

    Home grown New Zealand Democracy has come out…..come out with its dukes up !

    And the wonder of it is that the spooks who were detailed to hang around in Potter’s Park across the road from the Mt Albert Memorial Hall, detailed to track those horrible subversives Sir Ted Thomas QC (Supreme Court of New Zealand Ret.), Dame Anne Salmond, and Rodney Harrison QC, well…..their Bond-like skills were compromised by four or five athletic gay fullas cruising the said park.

    What the fuck will Fletch’ say tomorrow morning…..what the fuck will ShonKey Python say tomorrow afternoon ? Apart from – “I disagree”.

    “You useless bastards ! You set out with a pie and a copy of Playboy…….Jesus Christ……all you come back with is a pie and a copy of Playboy and some delicious memories. Guantanamo for all of yous if this ever, ever, ever happens again. You’ve been warned !”

    Beautiful…..beautiful……beautiful…..! History in the making. And little old me saw it all on livestream !

    “Now who would have thought it of that lovely man John Key ? He really is a bit of a Goebbels isn’t he Mabel ?”

    You know, I reckon this might be the turning point……even for the DungCan Gooners and the Mine Potty;Gowers. The smell of blood ?

    See yous all Saturday 2.00 pm.

    • Arfamo 31.1

      Calm down. Focus. Don’t count the chickens before they’re hatched. There has to be a hell of lot more fuss raised than that before this Bill gets dumped.

      • weka 31.1.1

        Have to say I found it pretty exciting too. Only disppointment was lack of where do we go from here. Maybe that will come out of Sat. We need to keep a momentum going (KDC is wrong if he thinks the only thing we can so is wait for the next election.

    • karol 31.2

      Potters Park is opposite the Mt Eden War Memorial Hall. Th meeting was at the Mt Albert Hall.Potters Park is opposite the Mt Eden War Memorial Hall. The meeting was at the Mt Albert Hall.

      • North 31.2.1

        Sorry Karol….. you’re right. I am too, too excited, obviously. For the life of me can’t get a mind’s eye of Mt Albert Memorial Hall. Even though worked in said suburb for about five years in the 90s.

        ShonKey Python tomorrow afternoon: “Sorry spooks, I only know Parnell…….that grainy footage of Sir Ted doing 70 in a 50 down Asquith Ave will probably save you from Guantanamo……this time”.

        “Secondly…….make sure you replace that fucking pie !” Rule 37A in Spook Manual – do not use the pie to engage subject !”

  31. chrissy 32

    Not looking good for key who not long before was being spoonfed by “you guessed it” our one and only p..rick gower. “Why do you think kim.com is after you”? Achshully he’s trying to buy time lalalalal.. By the way, has anyone noticed that keys’s nose is always red lately.. What could that mean?
    People might be dissing Shearer but they need to take a long close look at Hone Key. You could give him a good shake and nothing but lies would come out .He’s on a long ride into the rapids in a leaky boat.

  32. Veutoviper 33

    Well , I am still absorbing what I heard and saw watching the live stream of the Auckland meeting – I really, really want to watch it again as I felt that I missed a lot on the initial viewing but felt immense relief that people are speaking out against the Bill of the calibre of the panel and audience.

    But in the meantime, I have just watched the Campbell Live inteview with Dame Anne Salmond – and recommend it to anyone who did not see it live.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Speaking-out-against-the-GCSB-bill/tabid/367/articleID/306376/Default.aspx

    I also watched the on demand TV3 news item on the Reid poll as to who people believed Dotcom or Key – with 52% (?) responding that they believed Dotcom …
    http://www.3news.co.nz/Public-sides-with-Dotcom-in-poll/tabid/370/articleID/306362/Default.aspx

    But back to tonight’s meeting. The Shearer/Parker partnership and Shearer’s obvious embarassment/reluctance to speak was obvious to me anyway – followed by Cunliffe stepping into the breach and speaking succinctly and very decisively just confirmed IMO that things would have been (and could be) if he was leader of the Labour Party.

    EDIT – that was written before I read the above comments of those who attended the meeting.

  33. karol 34

    Stuff report on the speeches.

    40 people attended?

    Dame Anne said New Zealanders ought to feel “very concerned” about the bill.

    “This agency… is surrounded by scandal. It has been accused of carrying out illegal surveillance on New Zealand citizens. This bill allows the GSCB to illegally spy on New Zealanders.

    “This bill is in breach of the Bill of Rights… and despite this it has been dealt with under urgency.

    “All of the authorities have looked at this carefully and have argued this bill be shelved.”

    Dame Anne said the bill would be an “absolute indictment” on the government if it was passed.

    • Veutoviper 34.1

      400 not 40?

    • karol 34.2

      Ach – typo – yes I meant 400 – no edit function for me.

      • lprent 34.2.1

        It peaked at about 150-200 people in the back area off the hall itself (ie up to the doors to the main hall) at about the time that Thomas Beagle was talking. I did a rough count of 5’s and came out with 170. But people were shuffling around.

        The main area seats about 300 packed (been to enough events there and even participated in running them), and there were a whole lot of people around the walls that I could see and presumably sitting on the steps.

        400 is a slight under-estimate

        It was a good attendance considering that it seems to have been organised (or at least publicised) just this week.

        • weka 34.2.1.1

          TV3 reckon 500

          “The Stop The GCSB Bill group is receiving more and more support everyday, with 500 people turning out for a meeting tonight.”

          • lprent 34.2.1.1.1

            Still low. We would get 500 to the Great Mt Albert debate without me feeling claustrophobic at the rear like I did last night, and without the packing in the hall.

            But it was a lot of people. And even more watching the video.

  34. North 35

    Hey……Bowel Motion……..Skanky……..YesHole…….where you fullas ? Ya got stoned and ya missed it what ? Apologies to the three or four other stoners I failed to enquire of.

  35. AmaKiwi 36

    Dr. Rodney Harrison QC at tonight’s meeting:

    “The bill has no controls on how the data collected can be used.”

    Got that! The NZ government can hire a private contractor to collect data and the bill provides NO CONTROLS on what they can do with your information.

    Kim Dotcom’s reminded us: Once they target you they can go back to their cloud storage and bring up a COMPLETE copy of every email, every phone call, every text message, every social networking conversation you have had over the past 5 years or longer.

    That includes all your bank records, tax returns, and medical records, because they are electronically transmitted.

    Under this bill the government can find out EVERYTHING about you.

    Thomas Beagle: The government has not (and cannot) make a case that they need this level of spying on us. In countries where there have been protests and uprisings, these are the surveillance weapons governments have used to break up protest groups.

    Since the bill includes “threats to NZ’s economic well-being,” protests against genetic modification, lax bio security, foreign labor, opposition to casinos, etc., etc., can ALL be construed as legitimate targets for GCSB and SIS spying.

    If we allow them to have these weapons of intimidation, in the future no one will ever be able to organize against an unjust or despotic NZ regime. Never!

    • weka 36.1

      Another point made was that once you give spies powers, you never get to take them away again, they only increase.

      • Colonial Viper 36.1.1

        The Church Committee shows that’s not entirely true, but it is damn hard.

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 36.1.1.1

          Tzun Tsu said…

          …none in the whole army are more intimate relations to be maintained than with spies. None should be more liberally rewarded. In no other business should greater secrecy be preserved.

          Spies cannot be usefully employed without a certain intuitive sagacity.

          They cannot be properly managed without benevolence and straightforwardness.

          Without subtle ingenuity of mind, one cannot make certain of the truth of their reports.

          Be subtle! be subtle! and use your spies for every kind of business… it is only the enlightened ruler and the wise general who will use the highest intelligence of the army for purposes of spying and thereby they achieve great results.

          …but with a unenlightened lying Prime Minister acting as the agent of foreign movie producers you get a clusterfuck of epic proportions.

  36. Murray Olsen 37

    A great start. WIth luck, blows have been struck on both this bill and on Shearer.

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