web analytics

GCSB protest – Auckland tonight

Written By: - Date published: 9:35 am, July 24th, 2013 - 145 comments
Categories: activism, boycott, police, Spying - Tags: , ,

To say that the GCSB law changes are misguided is the kindest possible interpretation, but many people including myself tend to view them as being quite malevolent. They aren’t going to provide any more security for citizens and residents here. But they are going to provide more security for incompetents in the security and police forces from both public and legal scrutiny.

If they pass in parliament (the select committee reports back on the 26th), then they will pass with the narrowest of majorities. The public figleaf and whatever grotty hidden deal Peter Dunne carved out for himself (to no-one’s surprise except possibly to his increasingly erratic self), are meaningless in terms of the intent of this bill because it is simply a bad bill. The range of people who are opposed to this particularly bad and obscenely hurried legislation speaks for itself.

Which is why there will be a public protests at 2pm on the 27th and a protest meeting at the Mt Albert War Memorial tomorrow.

GCSB-Mtg-25-July-2013

Updated: This meeting will be streamed live apparently. I’ll put up the details when I find them out.

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/07/25/live-video-stop-the-gcsb-bill-public-meeting-from-7pm/

Updated: it is packed, and people are still incoming.


History

145 comments on “GCSB protest – Auckland tonight”

  1. (Probably won’t apply to many readers of ‘The Standard’ ? 🙂

    This should be of particular interest to Libertarians and (presumably) all those ACT Party members/supporters who are opposed to ‘Nanny State’ and believe in citizens lawful rights to privacy and ‘freedom of expression’?

    Seen this?

    24 July 2013

    “Media Release:

    Sir Edmund Thomas to chair Stop the GCSB Bill meeting

    The Stop the GCSB Bill coalition is pleased to announce that retired Supreme Court Judge Sir Edmund Thomas will chair the “Stop the GCSB Bill” public meeting to be held in Auckland tomorrow night (Thursday 25th July) at 7pm at Mt Albert War Memorial Hall.

    The speakers at the meeting are –
    · Dame Anne Salmond – anthropologist, author and New Zealander of the Year
    · Dr Rodney Harrison QC – presented the Law Society submission on GCSB Bill
    · Kim Dotcom – the most high profile victim of illegal GCSB spying
    · Thomas Beagle – from Tech Liberty – concerned with civil liberties online

    There is widespread concern about this bill and that concern is unabated by the “deal” done by Peter Dunne with the National government to secure support for the bill.

    The bill which legalises mass surveillance of New Zealanders remains fundamentally unchanged.

    Such has been the level of interest in the public meeting from people around the country that the public meeting will be streamed live on the internet across New Zealand and around the world.

    The Stop the GCSB Coalition will also be organising a rally and march to oppose the bill this Saturday (27th July) gathering at Aotea Square at 2pm.

    Mike Treen
    Interim Spokesperson ”
    _________________________________________________________________________

    Penny Bright

    http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz/

    • Mary 1.1

      Even the opinions of judges of the highest court of the land are ignored but of course our Johnny knows best. Key’s arrogance is dumbfounding.

  2. Sable 2

    I hope as many people in Auckland attend as possible, although it will no doubt pass anyway it sends a message to other parties that this is an important issue if they want to be elected. I’m Wellington based but will be keeping a look out for similar protests here in the capital.

    • Santi 2.1

      Count the organisers lucky if one hundred people turn up.

      • muzza 2.1.1

        Would that make you feel good, santi?

      • AmaKiwi 2.1.2

        @ Santi

        You seem very unconcerned. You realize the first target of domestic spying is people with mental disorders and no moral compass.

        • Colonial Viper 2.1.2.1

          Anyone demonstrating any political activism whatsoever is also on the list. In the US it appears that the IRS targeted both Conservative groups AND Progressive groups.

          • Rosetinted 2.1.2.1.1

            CV
            What other leading people have been listened in to in different countries? Do some come to mind? I seem to remember reading some startling cases.

            • Colonial Viper 2.1.2.1.1.1

              One of the original NSA whistleblowers said that he had once held communications intercepts in his hand of one Justice Alito, US Supreme Court.

              It was also claimed that they were intercepting all of Barack Obama’s communications before he began his run for Senate.

              Democracy cannot function under these conditions.

      • Sable 2.1.3

        People are too worried about jobs and keeping their heads above water, its unfortunate but understandable if the turnout is low…

      • North 2.1.4

        Skanky @ 2.1………that wager’s still on you supporter of fascism defined !

  3. King Kong 3

    The GCSB asked me to tell you that the 9 of you who turn up tommorow will be spied on.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 3.1

      The Stasi called. They want their jokes back.

    • lprent 3.2

      It is likely to be quite a wide protest. This particular notice came to me via Lyn from a source well outside of the usual left activist movements. It was from the tech side.

      I have also now received it from several other mailing groups. I think that this may wind up as being one of those widespread coalitions with a consequently larger protest numbers.

      • One Anonymous Knucklehead 3.2.1

        The New Zealand Law Society “… is concerned that a number of recent legislative measures are fundamentally in conflict with the rule of law.”

        United Nations: Universal Periodic Review, 17 June 2013.

        The GCSB bill is the latest in a series.

      • King Kong 3.2.2

        Good luck with that

        • quartz 3.2.2.1

          Frankly, King Kong, I’m looking forward to Trevor Mallard getting your IP address, identifying you, and going through your tax and medical records once Labour’s back in government.

          I imagine the gems he shares around will be hilarious.

    • Arfamo 3.3

      The GCSB asked me to tell you that the 9 of you who turn up tommorow will be spied on.

      The GCSB asked me to tell you that the 9 of them who turned up couldn’t be spied on because over 400 other people there got in the way.

  4. AmaKiwi 4

    LPRENT

    Could you please reformat this notice so I can easily print it on A4 (or one half of an A4 and cut them in half).

    I will distribute them around my neighborhood.

    Many thanks,

    AmaKiwi

    • AmaKiwi 4.1

      LPRENT

      Please ignore my previous request. I figured it out. I click on the poster image and then print it.

      Thank you.

      • lprent 4.1.1

        There is also a PDF here. But the image on this site should be fullsize if you click into it (as you have found)

        Surprisingly it was Lyn who ordered suggested that I should post this.

        • karol 4.1.1.1

          A couple of days ago, in this post, I included a copy of the poster that I got from the Daily Blog. Bomber and others on DTB (like Mike Treen) have posted a lot on the meeting tomorrow & Saturday’s protest.

          I hope all the posts and emails about it mean the attendance will be good!

  5. tracey 5

    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10902099

    why 2pm on a weekday?

    7pm for the meeting makes sense.

    I would back rodney harrisons analysis over john keys in a heartbeat.

    • lprent 5.1

      The 27th for the protests is Saturday. 2pm is a good time for a weekend protest.

      I guess like me, the week is disappearing on you…

  6. tracey 6

    Sorry misread. Stand corrected and will go on saturday

    • karol 6.1

      I can’t make it on Saturday, unfortunately – too short a notice to get time off work.

      However, I’ll try to get to the meeting tomorrow evening. Sounds like a great line up of speakers.

  7. tracey 7

    I wonder how many people who dont give a shit about this bill got their undies in a tangle over the electoral finance act…

  8. Blue 8

    Don’t know Tracey, but of course I don’t really give a shit.

  9. Veutoviper 9

    The latest press release from the coalition about tomorrow night’s public meeting in Auckland states that it will live streamed ‘on the internet’ – but not where.

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1307/S00302/sir-edmund-thomas-to-chair-stop-the-gcsb-bill-meeting.htm

    Does anyone know where it will be livestreamed?

    EDIT – The Daily Blog now states that details about the livestream will be announced later today.

  10. The NSA 10

    Puny humans.
    If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.

  11. Rosetinted 11

    Venues for lots of Saturday’s GCSB protests.
    http://allevents.in/Hamilton/Protesting-the-GCSB-TICS-Bills-Hamilton/651961298167053

    GCSB Protest – Nelson Saturday 27/7/2013
    Nelson Mail
    The Nelson rally will start at 2pm from Millers Acre, Halifax St, along Trafalgar St to the 1903 site by the Church Steps.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/8948345/Nelson-protest-planned-against-spy-bill

    Palmerston North
    When:Sat 27 Jul, 2:00pm–3:30pm
    Where:
    The Square, The Square, Palmerston North
    http://www.eventfinder.co.nz/2013/masquerade-against-the-gcsb-and-tics-bills/palmerston-north

    etc

    • lprent 11.1

      Keep putting links in here as you (or others) find them (I didn’t have time to look this morning) and one of us will do a further post with venues and assembly points on early friday.

  12. Have sent this around the PLANET.

    ‘Open Letter’ to the UN ‘Universal Periodic Review’ (UPR) Programme Manager
    re: NZ Prime Minister John Key’s threats against the NZ Human Rights Commission.

    24 July 2013

    Enkeleda Papa
    Programme Manager
    UPR Info
    Rue de Varemble 3

    Dear Enkeleda,

    I am again ‘blowing the whistle’ to warn the international human rights community, at the highest levels, about the threats made by NZ Prime Minister John Key, against the NZ Human Rights Commission, for ‘doing their job,’ and trying to protect the lawful human rights of New Zealand citizens to privacy.

    This follows a report made by the NZ Human Rights Commission, directly to the Prime Minister, exercising their lawful right to so do, under the Human Rights Act 1993:

    http://www.hrc.co.nz/2013/human-rights-commission-releases-report-to-prime-minister-on-security-and-intelligence-matters

    “The Human Rights Commission has released its report to the Prime Minister on the Government Communications Security Bureauand Related Legislation Amendment Bill, the Telecommunications (Interception Capability and Security) Bill and broader human rights matters regarding surveillance.

    Chief Commissioner David Rutherford said the Commission used itsdirect reporting function under the Human Rights Act 1993 due to the seriousness of the proposed Bills’ measures and the need for proper oversight of the surveillance activities of intelligence agencies.

    “The Commission is concerned that the proposed Bills are wide-reaching without sufficient safeguards against abuse of power.

    There is inadequate oversight and inadequate provision for ensuring transparency and accountability.

    The Commission notes media reports that these issues are matters of discussion between some of the leaders of political parties in New Zealand.

    “The Commission recognises that some level of surveillance is inevitable and justifiable from a human rights perspective in a democratic society. However, surveillance can be subject to human rights principles, protecting human rights and limiting them only when proportionate and justified and in accordance with the law.

    “The right to privacy is fundamental in a democracy and reinforces other fundamental rights, such as rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly. The proposed restrictions on the right to privacy are too general to be proportionate to the Bills’ objectives.

    “We note that the Bills were introduced before the recent media exposure of the extent of mass surveillance by some States party to the Five Eyes arrangement. Public trust in Government intelligence agencies is at risk if surveillance activities aren’t being conducted appropriately and seen to be so.

    “It is in the interests of our intelligence agencies to have appropriate transparency and accountability mechanisms in place to maintain public trust. We believe much of the public’s concerns could be alleviated if there was satisfactory oversight of surveillance powers and we propose an independent cross-party select committee to oversee intelligence agencies,” said Mr Rutherford. ..”

    ______________________________________________________________________________

    The response by Prime Minister John Key, was to effectively mislead the New Zealand public about the nature of this report (it was NOT a submission on the Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill) – and to effectively threaten the future funding of the New Zealand Human Rights Commission:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8913615/Key-slams-watchdog-report-on-spying-laws

    “…Prime Minister John Key appeared to threaten Human Rights Commission funding after the watchdog issued a damning report on new spying laws.

    The commission yesterday released critical views on two proposed bills aimed at beefing up the powers of New Zealand’s intelligence agencies.

    It has recommended an immediate inquiry into the security services and warns the new legislation may breach human rights.

    The watchdog chose to exercise powers to report directly to Mr Key on its concerns, only the fourth time it has done so.

    However, Mr Key hit back at the release of the report, questioning why the commission did not meet a deadline for public submissions, and issuing a thinly veiled threat about its funding.

    “I actually didn’t think it was a very good submission at all and I think they need to pull their socks up and if they are going to continue to be a government-funded organisation they should meet the deadlines like everyone else did.”

    He argued much of the report drew from other submissions on the legislation. “The Government is confident it has got those issues in hand.”

    Chief Commissioner David Rutherford defended the timing of the report, saying it was meeting concerns about the wider intelligence community, not making a submission on the Government Communications Security Bureau bill.

    Responding to Mr Key’s reference to funding, Mr Rutherford said the commission was an independent body and would continue to carry out its work independent of the Government. …..”

    ______________________________________________________________________________

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption/anti-privatisation’ campaigner

    2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate

    http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz/

  13. idlegus 13

    Dunedin at the Octagon 2pm. No link, but theres posters up/

  14. democracy 14

    The GCSB bill designed to cover its activities from the democratic rights of nzers to hold the actions of GCSB accountable to public notice and recourse about sums it up for me.

  15. Penny Bright 15

    Looking forward to John Key getting his summons!

    http://dnews.co.nz/node/20

    Well – whoever expected the DEFENDANT John Banks to end up in the dock?

    Penny Bright

    http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz

    • Veutoviper 16.1

      Thanks weka. Been busy all afternoon, but this is a ‘must’ for me in Wgtn – get f..ked earthquakes!

    • Veutoviper 16.2

      A live stream will also be available through The Daily Blog of tonight’s meeting in Auckland (7pm)

      “There will be a live page on The Daily Blog streaming the event, and also on Live.TheDailyBlog.co.nz.”

  16. Follow-the-money 17

    Yeah, I keep wondering why the (so impartial) Herald has missed the story of why ACT, as a rabidly-liberal party, could possibly support even a moderated version of this bill. How must it feel, for ACT supporters, to know that their right to personal freedom would be better protected, in this case, by the Greens or Labour?

    Also, remember – Kim Dotcom got spied on, even without it being legal.

    Also, remeber the days when, to see comedic people with oversized bow ties and funny hair, we went to the circus?

    • North 17.1

      Follow-The-Money @ 17……….it’s called “Shonkey Python’s Flying Circus”.

  17. karol 18

    Dame Anne Salmond: “Remind our PM he is there to represent us, not to rule us”.

  18. TEA 19

    Bring on nanny state,

  19. karol 20

    Lost the Live Stream online.

  20. weka 21

    “Mass surveillance is what happens when the government is scared of the people”

    Thomas Beagle.

  21. weka 22

    I hope someone is taping this, it’s very good.

  22. weka 23

    That judge is funny.

  23. karol 24

    Go Cunliffe! – “This legislation must not stand!”

    And the Greens….

    • weka 24.1

      he was good! Hope he doesn’t get slapped for upstaging Shearer.

      • karol 24.1.1

        So, Cunliffe committed a Labour-led government to repeal the Bill?!

        • weka 24.1.1.1

          Looked like it. Interesting move at this point in time. If the Labour caucus have actually discussed this and reached that conclusion, then why aren’t they putting out press statements?

          Good to see Shearer at the meeting, but the cynic in me thinks it was for the wrong reasons. I can’t decide whether I wish he had been able to answer the questions or if it’s better that he didn’t.

          • Arfamo 24.1.1.1.1

            I suspect he was having the same internal dialogue himself. I reckon he made the right choice. 🙂

          • Saarbo 24.1.1.1.2

            Was Shearer there? I didnt spot him. Thought he would have responded to the question on whether Labour would repeal this legislation if passed?

            • Arfamo 24.1.1.1.2.1

              Yeah he was there, up the back. Saw him dithering about, but he may have arrived late.

              • Saarbo

                That sums him up…half arsed, half committed, half a brain…

                • weka

                  to be fair (not sure why), but it did look like they couldn’t easily get the mike to him, so Cunliffe took it? Or maybe the judge directed the mike to Cunliffe (couldn’t see that bit).

                  • Olwyn

                    Either way, Cunliffe saved him from having to say, “I will think about possibly having an inquiry” or some such to an enthusiastic audience.

                  • gobsmacked

                    Of course, everyone would have known Shearer was there if he’d used his retinue of paid staffers and hangers-on to TELL the whole frigging nation he was going to be there, and why. Press releases? Twitter? Facebook? Labour website? Every interview, every opportunity, every time … but no, there’s nothing.

                    Shearer’s ‘small target’ strategy is that he doesn’t take a stand and so the vacuum has to be filled. Thank goodness Cunliffe was there to do it.

                  • North

                    Weka…….your comment about the microphone…….that’s not “to be fair”. That’s to be indulgent.

            • North 24.1.1.1.2.2

              Nah…….but Cunliffe did. And wasn’t he excellent ? Very cleverly slipping through into the ” ‘I’ would…….”

              See poor old DS up the back loooking uncomfortable ? Bet the ABCs were spewing.

  24. weka 25

    Is Mr Dunne in the house? lolz

  25. karol 26

    There’s a centrist element to some comments, that wants to find a “nice” way to oppose the Bill.

    Not sure about the call to end “poltical” comments from the crowd – I guess it means no more comments from (grandstanding?) politicians?

    • weka 26.1

      Interesting Karol. I’d call it a very white upper middle class meeting, but both feet in the left. Pity the working class guy couldn’t get a good question out.

      I think the no more politics thing was to stop that questioner about a new centre party from pushing an agenda.

      edit: a very white upper middle class controlled meeting.

      • weka 26.1.1

        edit: a very white upper middle class controlled meeting.

        (other edit went into moderation).

        • handle 26.1.1.1

          Several of them couldn’t form a question despite being warned in no uncertain terms by the chair to stop waffling. Your chap was one of the worst offenders.

    • Arfamo 26.2

      No. They need to keep control of this thing. The last thing needed is people droning on about their political philosophies, and class warfare, and conspiracy theories and their own wonderfulness. It needs to stay relevant and focussed on the GCSB legislation and the threat to democracy and justice it represents.

      • karol 26.2.1

        They do need to keep a check on the over-long comments and speechifying and keeping questions/comments short.

      • Rosetinted 26.2.2

        Arfamo
        Once ran a political meeting and had a timekeeper. Went well. It sharpens minds wonderfully and the message doesn’t get lost in the wrapping. And more people get time to speak.

        There is a time constraint on your average evening meeting – people travel to get to a venue, or have limited time available, and it’s not useful to advancing the cause to have someone hold the floor for long. Unless it’s the/one of the speakers who should be people with valuable insight and experience.

  26. gobsmacked 27

    Mods – Please post some of the pictures of the packed, standing room only meeting (e.g. on Twitter). The fools and cynics upthread need to see the truth they sadly deny.

    Well done to all who turned up (sorry I couldn’t make it). Great to hear such wide-ranging opposition to this shameful bill.

    Also well done to Campbell Live and the New Zealander of the Year Anne Salmond tonight. Very eloquent.

  27. karol 28

    Ooo. Dotcom. Sisi wouldn’t let him and his wife into NZ, then reversed decision a day after John key met (who?) in the US.

    Basically. KDC is saying Key let him into NZ in order to cooperate with the US agencies in getting KDC.

    • Jenny 28.1

      What is even more interesting is that Kim Dotcom has said previously that if he had been denied entry into NZ then he would have gone with his family to settle in Hong Kong. Where, and this is the significant part, he would have been safe from any attempted extradition from the US.

      I think the point is, that, realising that KDC could get away from them, the US authorities asked John Key to reverse their objection to allowing him into the country.

      The decision to reverse the objection to KDC gaining residency was dropped the day after concerned Hollywood moguls and US authorities met with John Key.

      A coincidence?

      KDC thinks not.

      Kim Dotcom say his team are making strenuous efforts to uncover the reasons for the reversal of the SIS decision not to allow him entry into NZ.

      The SIS the GCSB the Prime Minister’s office are citing concerns of National Security for not releasing the reasons they had for not releasing this information.

      Really.

      What a joke.

  28. weka 29

    Good on that woman! We need some strategies for the public to use now.

    • karol 29.1

      Well, though I can’t make the demo, I hope this high profile meeting and promotion of the Demo means it’ll be a big one.

      Damn! I wish they’d announced the demo a couple of weeks earlier so I could have booked time off work.

  29. Saarbo 30

    WOW, just attended…awesome speakers. Mt Albert War Memorial overflowing!!!!

    I hope someone can provide the audio from the 4 speakers. This legislation cannot be allowed to stand… all 4 were great, I particularly enjoyed Dame Anne Salmond.

    Cunliffe was put on the spot, he had to think quickly on his feet…Cunliffe needs to lead Labour!

    • karol 30.1

      What was the question? – I missed some bits when the vid player was buffering.

      • Saarbo 30.1.1

        Whether Labour would repeal the legislation if passed (and labour got in govt 2014)?

        • karol 30.1.1.1

          Oh. Hilarious. The question that Cunliffe answers is about 1hr 15 mins into the video.

          The question is asked. The camera pans to Shearer and Parker. Someone of camera calls “Dave” – Shearer is going “me” and is about to step to the Mic. Cunliffe takes the mic.

          • Arfamo 30.1.1.1.1

            Whoops. 🙂 How did that happen? Never mind. Worked out well in the end.

            • Saarbo 30.1.1.1.1.1

              ok, I just saw that on the vid…well this is classic Shearer. He needed to get there early, get seen, get a prominent seat…he simply doesn’t know how to be a politician. Ideally all Labour politicians should have been sitting together.

              I got there early and saw Cunliffe turn up well before 7.00am and get a front seat…thats what Shearer should have done.

              He needs to stop firing his advisors and start looking in the mirror.

    • karol 30.2

      Better than audio – the whole video.

      • Saarbo 30.2.1

        Good work Karol (as usual!)

      • Arfamo 30.2.2

        +1 Good ol’ Bomber.

      • Jenny 30.2.3

        Is this one dithering stumble bum performance too far?

        http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/07/25/live-video-stop-the-gcsb-bill-public-meeting-from-7pm/

        01:14:44

        A question from the floor

        Does anyone know that when the opposition becomes the government in 2014, whether they will repeal this bill?

        (applause)

        A simple question. People want to know the answer.

        The camera pans towards David Shearer. David Shearer’s hand waving and fluttering in the air, stepping forward stepping back. With voices calling for him to comment. Mute, David Shearer looks at the floor, crosses his arms, looks to David Parker, giving a small nervous/embarrassed chuckle. Finally, David Cunliffe has to step in to save Shearer further embarrassing himself.
        (Despite some people rudely talking over him.) Drawing on Labour Party history Cunliffe gives a lyrical reply, with a spontaneous emotional and dramatic, maybe hokey, but obviously sincerely heartfelt introduction.

        Sometimes you have issues where you can feel your ancestors fluttering around the ceiling.

        The Labour Party has a proud tradition of taking on evil and iniquitous legislation, apartheid, anti-nuclear and other things of that nature.

        Our leader has committed to a thorough review of this legislation. And based upon what we have heard here tonight. I personally, and I am sure my caucus colleagues would be of the view that this legislation, must not, will not, and cannot stand.

        (lone booing, long applause)

        • Arfamo 30.2.3.1

          I just watched it again. David Cunliffe does Shearer’s job and does it better than he ever could.

        • Colonial Viper 30.2.3.2

          Someone booed?

          There’s always some fascist jerk looking for a job as a brown shirt in an authoritarian state.

          • Jenny 30.2.3.2.1

            More likely the Shearer led Labour Party.

            Also for the only time in this meeting the chair has to call order to stop interjecting and talking over a speaker.

            More Shearer job seekers?

    • Hami Shearlie 30.3

      Agree totally, Saarbo! It gets more obvious every time Cunliffe opens his mouth that he should be Labour’s Leader. John Key would crumble into dust if that happened. So WHY is Shearer still there??

      • tricledrown 30.3.1

        Hami other leadership hopefuls are conniving to position themselves just like key did brash in

        • Hami Shearlie 30.3.1.1

          Slight problem for them though, tricledrown, and that is – that THEY have no charisma, maybe no electorate seat, or came THIRD in the party vote in their electorate – There’s no-one angling for the leadership that has popularity with the public, a great profile and majority in their electorate, and the brains and oratory to take on John Key – no one except David Cunliffe, that is! I really get the impression that Labour are quite happy to be in opposition – after all, they don’t have to do much and most of them get paid the same money – There’s just that little thing about the country and the peoples’ lives going down the gurgler, but to many Labour MP’s, that’s a mere trifle they can swat away without too much concern.

          • Jenny 30.3.1.1.1

            As Chris Trotter is fond of saying: The Shearer gang would rather keep control of the losers, than lose control of the winners.

  30. North 31

    I am yelling and leaping around ! I am ecstatic !

    Home grown New Zealand Democracy has come out…..come out with its dukes up !

    And the wonder of it is that the spooks who were detailed to hang around in Potter’s Park across the road from the Mt Albert Memorial Hall, detailed to track those horrible subversives Sir Ted Thomas QC (Supreme Court of New Zealand Ret.), Dame Anne Salmond, and Rodney Harrison QC, well…..their Bond-like skills were compromised by four or five athletic gay fullas cruising the said park.

    What the fuck will Fletch’ say tomorrow morning…..what the fuck will ShonKey Python say tomorrow afternoon ? Apart from – “I disagree”.

    “You useless bastards ! You set out with a pie and a copy of Playboy…….Jesus Christ……all you come back with is a pie and a copy of Playboy and some delicious memories. Guantanamo for all of yous if this ever, ever, ever happens again. You’ve been warned !”

    Beautiful…..beautiful……beautiful…..! History in the making. And little old me saw it all on livestream !

    “Now who would have thought it of that lovely man John Key ? He really is a bit of a Goebbels isn’t he Mabel ?”

    You know, I reckon this might be the turning point……even for the DungCan Gooners and the Mine Potty;Gowers. The smell of blood ?

    See yous all Saturday 2.00 pm.

    • Arfamo 31.1

      Calm down. Focus. Don’t count the chickens before they’re hatched. There has to be a hell of lot more fuss raised than that before this Bill gets dumped.

      • weka 31.1.1

        Have to say I found it pretty exciting too. Only disppointment was lack of where do we go from here. Maybe that will come out of Sat. We need to keep a momentum going (KDC is wrong if he thinks the only thing we can so is wait for the next election.

    • karol 31.2

      Potters Park is opposite the Mt Eden War Memorial Hall. Th meeting was at the Mt Albert Hall.Potters Park is opposite the Mt Eden War Memorial Hall. The meeting was at the Mt Albert Hall.

      • North 31.2.1

        Sorry Karol….. you’re right. I am too, too excited, obviously. For the life of me can’t get a mind’s eye of Mt Albert Memorial Hall. Even though worked in said suburb for about five years in the 90s.

        ShonKey Python tomorrow afternoon: “Sorry spooks, I only know Parnell…….that grainy footage of Sir Ted doing 70 in a 50 down Asquith Ave will probably save you from Guantanamo……this time”.

        “Secondly…….make sure you replace that fucking pie !” Rule 37A in Spook Manual – do not use the pie to engage subject !”

  31. chrissy 32

    Not looking good for key who not long before was being spoonfed by “you guessed it” our one and only p..rick gower. “Why do you think kim.com is after you”? Achshully he’s trying to buy time lalalalal.. By the way, has anyone noticed that keys’s nose is always red lately.. What could that mean?
    People might be dissing Shearer but they need to take a long close look at Hone Key. You could give him a good shake and nothing but lies would come out .He’s on a long ride into the rapids in a leaky boat.

  32. Veutoviper 33

    Well , I am still absorbing what I heard and saw watching the live stream of the Auckland meeting – I really, really want to watch it again as I felt that I missed a lot on the initial viewing but felt immense relief that people are speaking out against the Bill of the calibre of the panel and audience.

    But in the meantime, I have just watched the Campbell Live inteview with Dame Anne Salmond – and recommend it to anyone who did not see it live.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Speaking-out-against-the-GCSB-bill/tabid/367/articleID/306376/Default.aspx

    I also watched the on demand TV3 news item on the Reid poll as to who people believed Dotcom or Key – with 52% (?) responding that they believed Dotcom …
    http://www.3news.co.nz/Public-sides-with-Dotcom-in-poll/tabid/370/articleID/306362/Default.aspx

    But back to tonight’s meeting. The Shearer/Parker partnership and Shearer’s obvious embarassment/reluctance to speak was obvious to me anyway – followed by Cunliffe stepping into the breach and speaking succinctly and very decisively just confirmed IMO that things would have been (and could be) if he was leader of the Labour Party.

    EDIT – that was written before I read the above comments of those who attended the meeting.

  33. karol 34

    Stuff report on the speeches.

    40 people attended?

    Dame Anne said New Zealanders ought to feel “very concerned” about the bill.

    “This agency… is surrounded by scandal. It has been accused of carrying out illegal surveillance on New Zealand citizens. This bill allows the GSCB to illegally spy on New Zealanders.

    “This bill is in breach of the Bill of Rights… and despite this it has been dealt with under urgency.

    “All of the authorities have looked at this carefully and have argued this bill be shelved.”

    Dame Anne said the bill would be an “absolute indictment” on the government if it was passed.

    • Veutoviper 34.1

      400 not 40?

    • karol 34.2

      Ach – typo – yes I meant 400 – no edit function for me.

      • lprent 34.2.1

        It peaked at about 150-200 people in the back area off the hall itself (ie up to the doors to the main hall) at about the time that Thomas Beagle was talking. I did a rough count of 5’s and came out with 170. But people were shuffling around.

        The main area seats about 300 packed (been to enough events there and even participated in running them), and there were a whole lot of people around the walls that I could see and presumably sitting on the steps.

        400 is a slight under-estimate

        It was a good attendance considering that it seems to have been organised (or at least publicised) just this week.

        • weka 34.2.1.1

          TV3 reckon 500

          “The Stop The GCSB Bill group is receiving more and more support everyday, with 500 people turning out for a meeting tonight.”

          • lprent 34.2.1.1.1

            Still low. We would get 500 to the Great Mt Albert debate without me feeling claustrophobic at the rear like I did last night, and without the packing in the hall.

            But it was a lot of people. And even more watching the video.

  34. North 35

    Hey……Bowel Motion……..Skanky……..YesHole…….where you fullas ? Ya got stoned and ya missed it what ? Apologies to the three or four other stoners I failed to enquire of.

  35. AmaKiwi 36

    Dr. Rodney Harrison QC at tonight’s meeting:

    “The bill has no controls on how the data collected can be used.”

    Got that! The NZ government can hire a private contractor to collect data and the bill provides NO CONTROLS on what they can do with your information.

    Kim Dotcom’s reminded us: Once they target you they can go back to their cloud storage and bring up a COMPLETE copy of every email, every phone call, every text message, every social networking conversation you have had over the past 5 years or longer.

    That includes all your bank records, tax returns, and medical records, because they are electronically transmitted.

    Under this bill the government can find out EVERYTHING about you.

    Thomas Beagle: The government has not (and cannot) make a case that they need this level of spying on us. In countries where there have been protests and uprisings, these are the surveillance weapons governments have used to break up protest groups.

    Since the bill includes “threats to NZ’s economic well-being,” protests against genetic modification, lax bio security, foreign labor, opposition to casinos, etc., etc., can ALL be construed as legitimate targets for GCSB and SIS spying.

    If we allow them to have these weapons of intimidation, in the future no one will ever be able to organize against an unjust or despotic NZ regime. Never!

    • weka 36.1

      Another point made was that once you give spies powers, you never get to take them away again, they only increase.

      • Colonial Viper 36.1.1

        The Church Committee shows that’s not entirely true, but it is damn hard.

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 36.1.1.1

          Tzun Tsu said…

          …none in the whole army are more intimate relations to be maintained than with spies. None should be more liberally rewarded. In no other business should greater secrecy be preserved.

          Spies cannot be usefully employed without a certain intuitive sagacity.

          They cannot be properly managed without benevolence and straightforwardness.

          Without subtle ingenuity of mind, one cannot make certain of the truth of their reports.

          Be subtle! be subtle! and use your spies for every kind of business… it is only the enlightened ruler and the wise general who will use the highest intelligence of the army for purposes of spying and thereby they achieve great results.

          …but with a unenlightened lying Prime Minister acting as the agent of foreign movie producers you get a clusterfuck of epic proportions.

  36. Murray Olsen 37

    A great start. WIth luck, blows have been struck on both this bill and on Shearer.

Recent Comments

Recent Posts


History

  • Homeownership out of reach for middle income Aucklanders
    New figures show that even middle income Aucklanders are finding themselves unable to afford to buy a first home as National’s housing crisis rolls on, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “New data released by interest.co.nz shows that the lower ...
    4 hours ago
  • More toilet cleaners or more tradespeople?
    The Government is not doing enough to help the construction and trades sector meet its workforce demand, instead steering students towards cleaning toilets, says Labour’s Skills and Training spokesperson Jenny Salesa. ...
    5 hours ago
  • More cracks appear in health funding
    News that the Waikato District Health Board could lose $2.7 million from its budget because it failed to make an elective target is downright disturbing, says Labour’s Acting Health spokesperson Dr David Clark.  “This is a DHB that has tried ...
    11 hours ago
  • Student debt cracks the billion mark
    New figures showing that student loan defaulters have now clocked over $1 billion in debt highlights National's failure to combat spiralling student loan debt, Labour's Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. "Threatening to arrest returning student loan borrowers at the ...
    1 day ago
  • Foreign Students just a commodity to National
    National MP Kanwaljit Singh Bakshi has confirmed that his party sees international students as nothing more than a commodity, says Labour's Immigration spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway. "Mr Bakshi’s appalling comparison of some students to 'faulty fridges' that should be returned to ...
    2 days ago
  • Tolley’s spin on Education spend doesn’t add up
    National’s spin about school funding won’t wash with parents who are paying more and more of the cost of their kids’ education every year, says Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins.  “All the spin in the world can’t hide the fact ...
    2 days ago
  • National not facing up to export challenge
    “The latest export data from Statistics New Zealand paints a picture of an economy which is not paying its way in the world, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson. “Exports fell 9% - led by milk powder exports falling to ...
    2 days ago
  • Correction over Talley’s statement
    Labour’s Workplace Relations spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway has been advised by AFFCO Ltd that AFFCO is not advertising for staff in the Manawatu through MSD as stated in a press statement released earlier today.  “I have been advised by AFFCO that ...
    5 days ago
  • Minister, cut your losses – withdraw this doomed Bill
    Local Government Minister Sam Lotu-Iiga’s request for a five month extension on the report back date for the Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill (No 2) is an admission that the Bill is fundamentally flawed, says Labour’s Local Government Spokesperson ...
    5 days ago
  • Coleman’s cuts create crisis
    Mental health services in New Zealand are in a state of crisis with Youthline saying that calls for extreme depression doubled last year, says Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson Dr David Clark.  “About 150 young Kiwis are missing out on help ...
    5 days ago
  • Government helping Talley’s to break workers
    The Ministry for Social Development appears to be assisting Talley’s-Affco replace experienced workers effectively locked out by the company, say Labour’s Social Development spokesperson Carmel Sepuloni and Workplace Relations spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway. “MSD is advertising for meat processing workers for ...
    5 days ago
  • Electives lag due to $1.7 billion hole
    The lag in hip and knee replacements is a direct consequence of the Government’s $1.7 billion underfunding of health, says Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson Dr David Clark.  “A comprehensive study by the University of Otago says that the rate of ...
    5 days ago
  • Speech to Master Builders’ Constructive conference
    Today’s all about being Constructive. And that is good because I believe there is a hunger out there for positive solutions. We must be able to believe there can be a better future. ...
    5 days ago
  • Māori Party housing plan complete failure
    The Māori Party’s housing plan to put more Māori into more homes has been a complete failure with fewer than five loans granted per year, says Labour’s Maori Development spokesperson Kelvin Davis. ...
    6 days ago
  • Fund IRD better to go after tax avoiders
    National’s Tax Working Group used the following graph (p30) in 2010 as part of their justification to cut the top tax rate. The big peaks around the top tax threshold were evidence of a suspiciously high number of taxpayers ...
    GreensBy robert.ashe
    6 days ago
  • Pasifika youth ignored by the Government
    The Adolescent Health Research Group’s new report on the wellbeing of young Pacific people shines a spotlight on the Government’s failure  to deliver any “brighter future” for them, says Labour’s Pacific Island Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio.  “Their research shows ...
    6 days ago
  • Police in the provinces are dissatisfied
    Police in the cities of Gisborne, Napier and Hastings are a lot more unhappy than their big city cousins says Labour’s Police Spokesman Stuart Nash.     “In fact the top four districts for enjoyable work within NZ Police are ...
    6 days ago
  • Govt action needed after Wheeler holds
    The Reserve Bank Governor’s warning that “excessive house price inflation” is posing a risk to financial stability puts the pressure back on the Government to take action to address the housing crisis, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson. “Graeme Wheeler’s ...
    6 days ago
  • Minister confirms – new ministry only about abuse
    ...
    1 week ago
  • Silver Ferns Farms decision a tragedy
    The rubber stamping by the Overseas Investment Office of the Shanghai Maling buyout of Silver Fern Farms is a sorry day for the once proud New Zealand meat sector, says Labour’s spokesperson for Primary Industries, Damien O’Connor.  “Generations of Kiwis ...
    1 week ago
  • Benching Nick Smith first step to Kermadec solution
    Side-lining Nick Smith must be the first step in sorting out the Government's Kermadec debacle, says Labour's Fisheries Spokesperson Rino Tirikatene. “Last week Labour called for Nick Smith to be removed from further negotiations with Te Ohu Kaimoana over the ...
    1 week ago
  • Parents, schools, teachers oppose bulk funding
    Overwhelming opposition to the National Government’s school bulk funding proposal is unsurprising and Hekia Parata should now unequivocally rule out proceeding with the idea, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Bulk funding could only lead to bigger class sizes or ...
    1 week ago
  • MBIE gives up on enforcing the law
      The Government must provide labour inspectors with the resources they need to enforce basic employment law after reports that MBIE is only prosecuting the worst cases, says Labour’s Workplace Relations and Safety spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway.  “Today’s news that MBIE ...
    1 week ago
  • West Coast population declines amid bleak economic forecast
    Despite the country experiencing record population growth, the number of people living in the West Coast fell, highlighting struggles in the region from low commodity prices and a poor economic forecast, says Labour’s Economic Development spokesperson David Clark. “The latest ...
    1 week ago
  • Recovery roadblocks cause for concern
    Strong pressure on mental health services, a flagging local economy and widespread issues with dodgy earthquake repairs are all causes for concern for people in Canterbury according to a new survey, says Labour’s Canterbury spokesperson Megan Woods. “Today the CDHB’s ...
    1 week ago
  • Motel purchase must not kick people onto the street
    The Government’s purchase of a South Auckland motel to house the homeless must come with a promise that the current long term tenants will not be kicked out onto the streets, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “It is bizarre ...
    1 week ago
  • Not everyone singing along to so-called rock star economy
    The Westpac McDermott Miller Confidence Survey shows there is serious unease about the economy’s ability to deliver benefits to many New Zealanders, despite the Government trumpeting headline figures, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson. “According to this survey a significantly ...
    1 week ago
  • Youth no better off under National’s “guarantee”
    John Key’s Youth Guarantee is such a spectacular failure that those who undertake the programme are more likely to end up on a benefit and less likely to end up in full-time employment than those who don’t, Leader of the ...
    1 week ago
  • More low-skilled students becoming residents
    New figures showing international students now make up nearly 40 per cent of all principal applicants approved for New Zealand residency and that their skill level has fallen dramatically, are further evidence that National’s immigration system is broken, says Labour’s ...
    2 weeks ago
  • 35% of offshore speculators paying no tax
    Offshore investors are aggressively exploiting tax breaks to pay no tax on their rental properties according to IRD data released by Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “35% of offshore investors are paying no tax on their properties, and are pocketing ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Friday fish dump stinks
    This government has dumped bad news on a Friday to try to avoid political scrutiny in Parliament, says Labour’s Environment spokesperson David Parker. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • OECD report card: National must try harder
    The OECD report on education shows there’s much more to be done for young Kiwis, Labour’s education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Kermadec stoush shows Maori Party double-standards
    The Māori Party’s reaction to the trampled Treaty rights and the Government’s lack of consultation on the Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary reeks of the same arrogant mismanagement of the unpopular Maori land reforms, Ikaroa-Rāwhiti MP Meka Whaitiri says. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Flawed fish dumping calls
    The finding that MPI failed to properly enforce the law even when it had evidence of fish dumping seriously damages the trust and credibility of the Ministry, the industry and this Government, Labour's Fisheries Spokesperson Rino Tirikatene says. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Sidestepping Smith should be side-lined
    Nick Smith's arrogance and disrespect towards Māori is putting the future of the Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary at risk and he needs to excuse himself from further negotiations with Te Ohu Kaimoana, Labour's Fisheries spokesperson Rino Tirikatene says. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Government must respond to cash for jobs scam
    Urgent Government action is required to halt  the emerging cash-for-jobs immigration scandal that is taking hold in New Zealand says Labour’s Immigration Spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway.  “Stories of rogue immigration agents scamming thousands of dollars from migrant workers are just further ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Government dragging its feet on surgical mesh
    Jonathan Coleman is dragging his feet over any action to protect New Zealanders from more disasters with surgical mesh, says Health Spokesperson Annette King.  “The Government’s pathetic response is to claim all will be fixed by a new regime to ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s baby number app goes gangbusters
    An interactive tool that celebrates Labour’s achievements in health over the decades has become an online hit, says Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette King.  “Since the tool was launched last night, 18 thousand people have used it to find their baby ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Real disposable income falls in last three months
    Kiwis are working harder than ever but real disposable income per person fell in the last quarter thanks to record population increases, Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson said. ‘In Budget 2016 the National Government said that what mattered most for ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Baby number app celebrates Labour achievements
    Labour has launched an interactive tool that allows New Zealanders to take a look back at our achievements in health over the decades, says Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette King.  “Today is the 78th anniversary of the Social Security Act 1938, ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Legal experts unpick Māori land reforms
    One of New Zealand’s top law firms has joined the chorus of legal experts heavily critical of the controversial Te Ture Whenua Maori Bill, adding more weight to the evidence that the reforms fall well beneath the robust legal standards ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Industries most reliant on immigration worst offenders
    The industries most reliant on immigration are the worst offenders when it comes to meeting their most basic employment obligations, says Labour’s Immigration spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway.  “The industries that are most reliant on immigration are Hospitality, Administration, Agriculture, Forestry and ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Time to remove law that discriminates against sole parents
    It’s time to repeal a harmful law that sanctions those who do not name the other parent of their child, Labour’s Social Development Spokesperson Carmel Sepuloni says. “Every week, 17,000 children are missing out because their sole parent is being ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Government handling of Kermadecs threatens Treaty rights
    ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Prime Minister should give Police Minister some backbone
    The Prime Minister should condemn the ridiculously light sentence given to Nikolas Delegat for seriously assaulting a police woman, Labour’s Police spokesman Stuart Nash says. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Government listens to Labour on family violence
    Labour is pleased the Government has finally acted on strengthening a range of measures against family violence, says Labour’s spokesperson on Family Violence Poto Williams.  “Some of the latest changes including a new family violence offence of non-fatal strangulation is ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Government must rethink paying for police checks
    National’s decision to ignore the concerns of charities will see the voluntary sector face hundreds of thousands of dollars in new costs if the Policing (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill passes, says Labour's Community and Voluntary Sector spokesperson Poto Williams.  “National’s ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Seven months for families in cars to be housed
    Disturbing new figures show it is now taking the Ministry of Social Development an average of seven months to house families who are living in cars, Leader of the Opposition Andrew Little says.  “John Key made a song and dance ...
    2 weeks ago
  • North Korea test must be condemned
    The nuclear test by North Korea that registered 5.3 on the Richter scale needs to be condemned, says Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer. “This test, coming hard on the heels of a missile launch a few days ago, shows ...
    3 weeks ago
  • Tribe footing the bill for Maori Party?
     Waikato-Tainui deserve committed representation, yet the President of the Maori Party is muddying the waters by confusing the core business of the tribe with party politics, says Labour’s Hauraki-Waikato MP Nanaia Mahuta.  “The only way to fix this growing negative ...
    3 weeks ago


History


History


History