Gilbert calls out Nat “tribalists” who continued to back the lies

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Outspoken sociologist Dr Jarrod Gilbert has written a piece that needed writing for The Herald – Jarrod Gilbert: Continuing curse of blinkered believers

I need to talk about political tribalism, this phenomenon that so often mocks the principles that uphold our democracy while chipping away at its foundations.

Such an unwavering devotion to one political party means nothing done by that party can ever offend the diehard supporter. Any action that threatens to rattle a devotee’s true belief is responded to with the rationalisation that the sneaks on the other side would have done ten times worse given the same circumstances.

When this happens objective notions of right and wrong vanish, and what is left is a sickening reverence.

While I could look at the hardcore Green voters who lashed out at the media for the demise of Meteria Turei, without question the most egregious example was the defence by blinkered National supporters of Steven Joyce’s $11.9b fiscal hole claim. One such supporter was Bill English, a man who to this point I have only ever written positively about.

Whether of not Joyce set out to cause mischief, or he simply misread the books and embarrassment and pigheadedness meant he was unable to back down (the latter theory I favour), we’re all aware that a swath of leading economists came out and debunked what he said.

What did Joyce do? Deny, deny, attack, deny, deny. And, of course, many of his people defended it, made excuses, or misrepresented the evidence.

All good people should have called that nonsense out in unison.

To the tribalists who didn’t I ask this: if Labour had made the same accusation against National and not a single economist supported it, would you have reacted the same way?

No. Of course not. And that’s what defines you as a moron.

What ugliness awaits us now that this brazen low has been established? Where is our ambition for a democracy that exists on open debate and the exchange of ideas?

Wherever our allegiances fall we must not allow ourselves to be the foolish. The integrity of our system must stand before our desire for our team to win. Let us be a country that exhibits the best in politics and doesn’t embrace the very worst.

Hey Nat voters – how do you justify voting for the party of dirty politics and lies?

67 comments on “Gilbert calls out Nat “tribalists” who continued to back the lies ”

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  1. Ed 1
    4 October 2017 at 2:20 pm

    Wayne has already justified the lies.
    To quote him, Gilbert is a sore loser…..
    thereby proving the point of the article!

    https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-04102017/#comment-1395788

  2. Mickey Boyle 2
    4 October 2017 at 2:56 pm

    Yes, the left have never lied about anything……hypocrisy. Of course the Nats lied but lets not try and take the moral high ground because the left has lied too, the lies may not have been as dramatic and confronting as the Nats but a lie is still a lie.

    • DoublePlusGood 2.1
      4 October 2017 at 3:14 pm

      Ah, so it’s ok for National to compulsively and continuously lie about basically everything because Labour have occasionally lied about some things in the past.

      Good to know that you basically have no morals whatsoever.

      • Wayne 2.1.1
        4 October 2017 at 4:48 pm

        On the specific issue of $11 billion hole Steven Joyce explained his reasoning right from the get go. It was clearly stated the calculation was based on the fact it was not credible for Labour to have zero new spending in their 2019 and 2020 budgets.

        It was obviously his opinion that Labour would have $3.7 billion new spending in each of those years. But that was made perfectly clear at the time. I personally think $2 billion per year would have been a more appropriate figure, given that Labour had made provision for extra spending in health and education. The $2 billion would have been extra DOC spending, more on restorative justice, more on foreign aid, more on civil servants salaries.

        People may disagree with with Joyce’s opinion, but an opinion is not a lie.

        As for Jarrod Gilbert, well his columns annoy me more than anyone elses. It is not so much what he says, but how he says it. Trying to seriously compare English and Joyce with Nixon is the realm of fantasy. For a comparison while I may not agree with Rachel Stewart, at least her columns are a stimulating (as opposed to annoying) read.

        • Robert Guyton 2.1.1.1
          4 October 2017 at 4:55 pm

          “It was obviously his opinion …”
          Indeed. It. Was.
          Facts, opinions? Who can say which is more real? Not Wayne.

          • rhinocrates 2.1.1.1.1
            4 October 2017 at 5:11 pm

            Hey, they’re facts – alternative facts!

          • Ian 2.1.1.1.2
            4 October 2017 at 8:39 pm

            Jarrod Gilbert is anti police,and his research is based on having a close relationship with the gangs supplying Methamphetamine to your kids ,and probably a good percentage of the commenters on this blog . I judge people on the company they keep.

            • Shona 2.1.1.1.2.1
              4 October 2017 at 8:50 pm

              @Ian Who the fuck are you to judge me????Arrogant twat.
              Gilbert’s research is invaluable. I realise his work is way above your reading age but here’s a heads up some of us manage to raise offspring who do not use P. And never would. P is for the desperate souls whose primary drug habit is usually alcohol. Or for those who came from families where alcohol consumption is a daily occurrence. You would know that if you could comprehend Gilbert’s work!

            • miravox 2.1.1.1.2.2
              4 October 2017 at 11:14 pm

              “I judge people on the company they keep.”

              And yet, Ian, here you are. Keeping company with people who you think “a good percentage of” are meth addicts.

            • tracey 2.1.1.1.2.3
              5 October 2017 at 8:08 am

              Should we judge parents who vote for govts that repeatedly lie? I mean, what morality must they be modelling for their children? Lies are rewarded when they benefit you kids?

        • McFlock 2.1.1.2
          4 October 2017 at 5:00 pm

          It might initially have been his opinion, but when his opinion has been demonstrated repeatedly ,and in ever-decreasing word counts, and even in pictures, to be at odds with reality and he still stands by it… well, one must either question his intelligence or his truthfulness.

          • rhinocrates 2.1.1.2.1
            4 October 2017 at 5:10 pm

            But not his truthiness.

            • Once was Tim 2.1.1.2.1.1
              4 October 2017 at 6:26 pm

              I reckon Wayne is the next up and coming MSM sage. Michelle Boag – watch out! you’ve got competition.
              I might go trout fishing – at least I can eat ’em

              • rhinocrates …
                4 October 2017 at 10:03 pm

                Depends on which river they’ve been swimming in. Maybe one of the pristine, clean rivers that flow on the satellite of Planet Key, Wayne’s World. Apparently that has proper toilets.

        • Anne 2.1.1.3
          4 October 2017 at 5:25 pm

          On the specific issue of $11 billion hole Steven Joyce explained his reasoning right from the get go.

          It…. was…. a…. lie….from….woe… to… go.

        • Andre 2.1.1.4
          4 October 2017 at 5:28 pm

          Wayne, I just love the way you blindly keep demonstrating Gilbert’s main point over and over again.

        • Stuart Munro 2.1.1.5
          4 October 2017 at 5:29 pm

          Blake’s chestnut “A truth that’s told with bad intent beats all the lies you can invent.” used to suffice for politicians – but Joyce thought he could do better. He couldn’t.

          • tracey 2.1.1.5.1
            5 October 2017 at 8:11 am

            Except 46% voted for his party

            • Brigid 2.1.1.5.1.1
              5 October 2017 at 3:35 pm

              No. The election day count showed less than a third of registered voters voted for his party.

              • tracey …
                5 October 2017 at 3:42 pm

                46% of voters didnt vote National? Cos in reality it doesnt matter if registered voters did not vote cos they have abdicated a right to form part of any discussion about mandates or no? Or have I confused what you mean?

                • McFlock …
                  5 October 2017 at 4:05 pm

                  lol depends if you mean a mandate that reflects endorsement or a mandate that simply is least unpopular.

                  What if only a third of people vote? Is the majority winner goven a mandate to rule? Bureaucratically, yes, but in an everyday sense of the word it rings hollow.

                  But maybe that was part of the hope – if the nats behaved disgracefully and made enough voters think that all parties are liars and profiteers, so enough lefties bow out in disgust that the vote is skewed.

                  I think turnout might have been up on last time, so if Joyce’s lie was malice from the start rather than stupidity, it failed.

        • marty mars 2.1.1.6
          4 October 2017 at 5:40 pm

          Lol you’re a useful gnat idiot Wayne – Joyce and English and you know the porkies well. Talk about losing respect lol

        • Robert Guyton 2.1.1.7
          4 October 2017 at 5:49 pm

          Wayne said:
          “People may disagree with with Joyce’s opinion, but an opinion is not a lie.”

          There it is. Was Joyce’s claim presented as his “opinion”?
          Did Joyce say, ” In my opinion”?
          Did Bill English say, “In Steven Joyce’s opinion…”
          Was it made clear that the “11.7 billion dollar hole” was opinion ?
          No
          NO
          NO NO NO NO!
          Therein lies the BIG LIE.
          There were, of course, plenty of lesser lies.

          • marty mars 2.1.1.7.1
            4 October 2017 at 5:57 pm

            Hang on – Wayne has studied this in great detail. How could he possibly be so far out in right field – to be disagreeing and calling respected economists wrong. There must be more to it surely, there must be a rational explanation for this massive discrepancy and his intransigent behaviour. What is it? Maybe when his memoir is published the REAL truth will put.

            • Robert Guyton 2.1.1.7.1.1
              4 October 2017 at 6:06 pm

              You mean, Steven, and Bill and Wayne were right ???
              How could we have been so thick???
              Steven’s opinion is to be trusted from now on.
              ‘Cause Wayne said.

        • Pete 2.1.1.8
          4 October 2017 at 6:35 pm

          Congratulations Wayne, this is the biggest lot of piffle I’ve read today.

          You find Gilbert’s columns annoying? Do you think your level of annoyance is more than mine about the lying of English and Joyce?

          Or your level of annoyance is deeper than my absolute disgust at their behaviour and then people like you making excuses and prevaricating about it?

        • Ankerrawshark 2.1.1.9
          4 October 2017 at 8:14 pm

          Wayne do you admit the 11 billion dollar hole was a lie? At very best a mistake that was not retracted? Dead cat strategy?

          That is the issue Gilbert was writing about

        • Gareth 2.1.1.10
          4 October 2017 at 10:07 pm

          It was in fact, a dead cat: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97215740

          Even now we’re arguing about the dead cat instead of other stuff that really matters like what those taxes people are so scared of are meant to be spent on: Housing, health, education. All the stuff that’s been underfunded for years.

          Show me an economist who agreed with Stephen Joyce… surely one of them could follow his reasoning and arrive at the same opinion.

        • tracey 2.1.1.11
          5 October 2017 at 8:07 am

          ” It was clearly stated the calculation was based on the fact it was not credible for Labour to have zero new spending in their 2019 and 2020 budgets. ”

          Bill English and Nats ran zero budgets in 2014 and 2015 Wayne. Was that credible, or not?

      • Mickey Boyle 2.1.2
        4 October 2017 at 6:02 pm

        I do have morals, thats what I was trying to say, both sides of politics lie, to say its all purely one sided is in fact a lie and disengenuous, open your eyes, we need better standards from all those you supposedly serve the public, and that includes local government also.

    • Ed 2.2
      4 October 2017 at 3:21 pm

      Can you provide an example please?
      I believe you are tinkering with moral relativism.

    • Robert Guyton 2.3
      4 October 2017 at 3:51 pm

      “Of course the Nats lied”
      QFT

    • tracey 2.4
      5 October 2017 at 8:05 am

      So does that mean you voted neither National or Labour or voted for National and just proved Gilberts point.

      I havent voted for Labour since they misused taxpayer money with the “card”. It took me a while to turn but that and their disability/sickness process in 2007 were the last nails in the coffin.

      What would stop you voting for poor behaviour?

  3. esoteric pineapples 3
    4 October 2017 at 3:20 pm

    “While I could look at the hardcore Green voters who lashed out at the media for the demise of Meteria Turei,”

    I suspect this sentence was put in so that the author doesn’t look too biased rather than being a fair comment.

    • Draco T Bastard 3.1
      4 October 2017 at 7:08 pm

      Yep. There was no need for it.

      But, then, he does say that he’d been glowingly reporting on Blinglish for-ever. Kinda shows his bias.

    • tracey 3.2
      5 October 2017 at 8:30 am

      See, I understand that people do not like that Turei lied/broke the law about the people living with her. I dont understand why they hated her lie with so much more vehemence than lies/law breaking by highly paid Cab Ministers. People like Bennett who broke the law to silnce beneficiaries, Collins who broke the law resulting in a man getting death threats, Smith abused his position of power to help a friend, almost every kiwi who did a cash job or paid cash for a job.

  4. Sparky 4
    4 October 2017 at 3:31 pm

    in my opinion this is hardly a measure of the extent of the problems associated with National and I can’t say I feel what happened to Meteria Turei was justified in any way shape or form.

    Much of the MSM in my opinion are a big part of the problem mostly backing every move the far right makes and then irony of ironies complain when it all turns sour.

    To my mind a moron is someone who blithely reads, watches and listens to their banter without scrutiny and then believes they are “informed”.

    • Ed 4.1
      4 October 2017 at 3:48 pm

      The msm is in the front set of trenches for the corporations, fighting their war for them.

  5. Keith 5
    4 October 2017 at 3:39 pm

    “Whether of not Joyce set out to cause mischief, or he simply misread the books and embarrassment and pigheadedness meant he was unable to back down (the latter theory I favour)”.

    “Mischief”…..oh… my ….God!

    From that massively ridiculous understatement and what looks like a new word to replace lie and or 100% pure bullshit, Dr Gilbert deserves the National Party’s supreme Joseph Goebbels award.

    Cue rapturous applause!

    • Ed 5.1
      4 October 2017 at 3:46 pm

      Sounds like the nonsense/lies Farrar spouts when he is ‘fomenting happy mischief’ on Kiwiblog.

  6. WILD KATIPO 6
    4 October 2017 at 3:54 pm

    Yes !,… a message cast in gold !

    Tribalism ,… equals blinkers and blindfolds .

    Time to stop your messing around , better think of your future ,…

    the specials – a message to you rudy ‘lyrics in description’ – YouTube
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocsUfVElspI

  7. geoff 7
    4 October 2017 at 4:45 pm

    Are they ‘believers’ or just competitive, grasping and stubborn?

  8. Stuart Munro 8
    4 October 2017 at 5:20 pm

    Gnats are, not to put too fine a point on it, obtuse. Their intellectual development reached its peak in Bolger, and it’s been all downhill ever since.

    But it’s their moral decay that is of greatest concern, never before were they as uniformly dishonest or as generally corrupt.

  9. Ant 9
    4 October 2017 at 5:23 pm

    Aside from the moral issue the trouble with being economical with the truth, especially when those we “look up to” are perpetrators, is the slippery slide into a world governed by impression rather than fact, – in which those with the biggest bank balances will eagerly deploy the most sought after spin organisations. We will move increasingly into a world of shadows, illusion and subtly woven deceit.

    It is horrifying to contemplate the consequences. Greed amongst the powerful would bring high-end competition amongst the few and helpless inequality amongst the millions.

    Against this backdrop (and the current taste for alternative facts and false truth), actual truth takes on an almost mystical quality of utter desirability, – an all-compelling motivation to ‘do the right thing’ to honour the highest and best that is in humankind.

    • WILD KATIPO 9.1
      4 October 2017 at 5:29 pm

      … ” being economical with the truth ” …

      In other words, – outright dishonest bastards .

      • Stuart Munro 9.1.1
        4 October 2017 at 5:55 pm

        Or, as deepsea fishermen are wont to describe them: “Full of shit heaps of shit”.

        “Listen, you full of shit heap of shit…” they say.

  10. mosa 10
    4 October 2017 at 6:47 pm

    All National voters are MORONS and will believe …..anything the National party tell them.

  11. Whispering Kate 11
    4 October 2017 at 8:22 pm

    I read Dr Jarrod Gilbert’s piece in the Herald and I absolutely agree with him. Devoted followers of National and Act blindly follow their leaders and their policies and will make excuses no matter how absurd and untrue they are about the corruption etc that goes on.

    Even serious stuff that has gone down with my own family, and friends who have known us for 40 years, knowing that we are so disturbed and worried to death over how WINZ is treating a family loved one, they still are trying to find excuses for them (WINZ), it hurts like buggery that people you think are friends can still see good in this caretaker government and try to make good the shit they are perpetuating on an every day occurrance.

    Tribalism is alive and well in this country – these ardent followers of neo-liberalism remind me of a kid having a tantrum, placing their hands over their ears and saying “I don’t want to know, I don’t want to know” – it’s pathetic we have such a loss of critical thinking in this country.

    • WILD KATIPO 11.1
      4 October 2017 at 10:47 pm

      This National government IS SHIT and is the last in the line of 33 years of bullshit neo liberal governments, …. however , … the tide is now obviously starting to turn , – even here in NZ , who , are traditionally a little behind the global pace. But change IT WILL and this is what we are starting to witness.

      It wont be long now.

      Fuck them and their neo liberal filth.

      Sick and tired of hearing all the crap that goes on under them all.

      They are total bullshit.

      New Right Fight – Who are the New Right?
      http://www.newrightfight.co.nz/pageA.html

    • tracey 11.2
      5 October 2017 at 8:33 am

      Kia kaha

  12. Ross 12
    5 October 2017 at 7:11 am

    Wayne says “it was not credible for Labour to have zero new spending in their 2019 and 2020 budgets”.

    It’s apparent that Wayne isn’t an economist and has no aspirations to become one.

    In 2010, NZ’s GDP was US$146.6 billion while in 2016 it was US$185 billion, an increase of 26%. As a result, tax revenue collected by the government increased. In 2009/10, core Crown revenue was $56.8 billion; in 2015/16 it was $76.1 billion, an increase of 34%.

    In other words, spending that the government may not have been able to afford in 2010 may have been affordable in 2016. Labour – like any political party – expects tax revenue to rise over time. Non-zero new spending and avoiding borrowing are entirely consistent. Steven Joyce isn’t a complete moron – he would know that. He just thought it would be a good idea to keep that information from the public while trying to scare the shit out of them.

    http://www.treasury.govt.nz/budget/2009/execsumm/b09-execsumm.pdf
    http://www.treasury.govt.nz/government/revenue

    • tracey 12.1
      5 October 2017 at 8:34 am

      And ignores the zero budgets of English in 2014 and 2015 which did not lead to the sky falling

  13. Pete 13
    5 October 2017 at 11:02 am

    Wayne hasn’t come back. You there Wayne?

    • tracey 13.1
      5 October 2017 at 2:53 pm

      He doesnt really respond. He tends to make a speech and uses the reply button to further it.

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    Open access notables Glacial isostatic adjustment reduces past and future Arctic subsea permafrost, Creel et al., Nature Communications: Sea-level rise submerges terrestrial permafrost in the Arctic, turning it into subsea permafrost. Subsea permafrost underlies ~ 1.8 million km2 of Arctic continental shelf, with thicknesses in places exceeding 700 m. Sea-level variations over glacial-interglacial cycles control ...
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  • Where on a Computer is the Operating System Generally Stored? Delving into the Digital Home of your ...
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  • How Many Watts Does a Laptop Use? Understanding Power Consumption and Efficiency
    Laptops have become essential tools for work, entertainment, and communication, offering portability and functionality. However, with rising energy costs and growing environmental concerns, understanding a laptop’s power consumption is more important than ever. So, how many watts does a laptop use? The answer, unfortunately, isn’t straightforward. It depends on several ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
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  • How to Screen Record on a Dell Laptop A Guide to Capturing Your Screen with Ease
    Screen recording has become an essential tool for various purposes, such as creating tutorials, capturing gameplay footage, recording online meetings, or sharing information with others. Fortunately, Dell laptops offer several built-in and external options for screen recording, catering to different needs and preferences. This guide will explore various methods on ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
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  • How Much Does it Cost to Fix a Laptop Screen? Navigating Repair Options and Costs
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    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
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  • How Long Do Gaming Laptops Last? Demystifying Lifespan and Maximizing Longevity
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  • Climate Change: Turning the tide
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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  • How to Unlock Your Computer A Comprehensive Guide to Regaining Access
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  • Faxing from Your Computer A Modern Guide to Sending Documents Digitally
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  • Protecting Your Home Computer A Guide to Cyber Awareness
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    2 days ago

  • Server-Based Computing Powering the Modern Digital Landscape
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  • Vroom vroom go the big red trucks
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    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    2 days ago

  • Jones finds $410,000 to help the government muscle in on a spat project
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    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
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  • Again, hate crimes are not necessarily terrorism.
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    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 days ago

  • Despair – construction consenting edition
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    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    2 days ago

  • Coalition promises – will the Govt keep the commitment to keep Kiwis equal before the law?
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    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    2 days ago

  • An impermanent public service is a guarantee of very little else but failure
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    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    2 days ago

  • What happens after the war – Mariupol
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    Open ParachuteBy Ken
    2 days ago

  • Babies and benefits – no good news
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    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
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  • Should the RBNZ be looking through climate inflation?
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    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
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    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago

  • Gordon Campbell on the public sector carnage, and misogyny as terrorism
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    Gordon CampbellBy lyndon
    2 days ago

  • Meeting the Master Baiters
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  • How extreme was the Earth's temperature in 2023
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    2 days ago

  • Backbone, revisited
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    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    3 days ago

  • Ministers are not above the law
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago

  • What’s the outfit you can hear going down the gurgler? Probably it’s David Parker’s Oceans Sec...
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    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    3 days ago

  • Will politicians let democracy die in the darkness?
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    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago

  • Matt Doocey doubles down on trans “healthcare”
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    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago

  • A TikTok Prime Minister.
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    3 days ago

  • Texas Lessons
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    3 days ago

  • Bernard's pick 'n' mix of the news links at 6:06 am
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    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago

  • Fighting poverty on the holiday highway
    Turning what Labour called the “holiday highway” into a four-lane expressway from Auckland to Whangarei could bring at least an economic benefit of nearly two billion a year for Northland each year. And it could help bring an end to poverty in one of New Zealand’s most deprived regions. The ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    3 days ago

  • Bernard's six-stack of substacks at 6:26 pm
    Tonight’s six-stack includes: launching his substack with a bunch of his previous documentaries, including this 1992 interview with Dame Whina Cooper. and here crew give climate activists plenty to do, including this call to submit against the Fast Track Approvals bill. writes brilliantly here on his substack ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago

  • At a glance – Is the science settled?
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    3 days ago

  • Apposite Quotations.
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    Bowalley Road
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  • What’s a life worth now?
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    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    4 days ago

  • Howling at the Moon
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    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago

  • Newshub is Dead.
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    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    4 days ago

  • Seymour is chuffed about cutting early-learning red tape – but we hear, too, that Jones has loose...
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    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    4 days ago

  • Bryce Edwards: Will politicians let democracy die in the darkness?
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    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    4 days ago

  • Was Hawkesby entirely wrong?
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    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago

  • PRC shadow looms as the Solomons head for election
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    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago

  • Climate Change: Criminal ecocide
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago

  • Is saving one minute of a politician's time worth nearly $1 billion?
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    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago

  • Long Tunnel or Long Con?
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    Greater AucklandBy Matt L
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  • Smoke And Mirrors.
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    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    4 days ago

  • What is Mexico doing about climate change?
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    4 days ago

  • State of humanity, 2024
    2024, it feels, keeps presenting us with ever more challenges, ever more dismay.Do you give up yet? It seems to ask.No? How about this? Or this?How about this?When I say 2024 I really mean the state of humanity in 2024.Saturday night, we watched Civil War because that is one terrifying cliff we've ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    5 days ago

  • Govt’s Wellington tunnel vision aims to ease the way to the airport (but zealous promoters of cycl...
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    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    5 days ago

  • The case for cultural connectedness
    A recent report generated from a Growing Up in New Zealand (GUiNZ) survey of 1,224 rangatahi Māori aged 11-12 found: Cultural connectedness was associated with fewer depression symptoms, anxiety symptoms and better quality of life. That sounds cut and dry. But further into the report the following appears: Cultural connectedness is ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    5 days ago

  • Useful context on public sector job cuts
    David Farrar writes –    The Herald reports: From the gory details of job-cuts news, you’d think the public service was being eviscerated.   While the media’s view of the cuts is incomplete, it’s also true that departments have been leaking the particulars faster than a Wellington ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    5 days ago

  • Gordon Campbell On When Racism Comes Disguised As Anti-racism
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    Gordon CampbellBy lyndon
    5 days ago

  • Govt ignored economic analysis of smokefree reversal
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    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago

  • True Blue.
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    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    5 days ago

  • Who is running New Zealand’s foreign policy?
    While commentators, including former Prime Minister Helen Clark, are noting a subtle shift in New Zealand’s foreign policy, which now places more emphasis on the United States, many have missed a key element of the shift. What National said before the election is not what the government is doing now. ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    5 days ago

  • $41m to support clean energy in South East Asia
    New Zealand is demonstrating its commitment to reducing global greenhouse emissions, and supporting clean energy transition in South East Asia, through a contribution of NZ$41 million (US$25 million) in climate finance to the Asian Development Bank (ADB)-led Energy Transition Mechanism (ETM). Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Climate Change Minister Simon Watts announced ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    13 hours ago

  • Minister releases Fast-track stakeholder list
    The Government is today releasing a list of organisations who received letters about the Fast-track applications process, says RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop. “Recently Ministers and agencies have received a series of OIA requests for a list of organisations to whom I wrote with information on applying to have a ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    15 hours ago

  • Judicial appointments announced
    Attorney-General Judith Collins today announced the appointment of Wellington Barrister David Jonathan Boldt as a Judge of the High Court, and the Honourable Justice Matthew Palmer as a Judge of the Court of Appeal. Justice Boldt graduated with an LLB from Victoria University of Wellington in 1990, and also holds ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    16 hours ago

  • Education Minister heads to major teaching summit in Singapore
    Education Minister Erica Stanford will lead the New Zealand delegation at the 2024 International Summit on the Teaching Profession (ISTP) held in Singapore. The delegation includes representatives from the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) Te Wehengarua and the New Zealand Educational Institute (NZEI) Te Riu Roa.  The summit is co-hosted ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    17 hours ago

  • Value of stopbank project proven during cyclone
    A stopbank upgrade project in Tairawhiti partly funded by the Government has increased flood resilience for around 7000ha of residential and horticultural land so far, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones today attended a dawn service in Gisborne to mark the end of the first stage of the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    17 hours ago

  • Anzac commemorations, Türkiye relationship focus of visit
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters will represent the Government at Anzac Day commemorations on the Gallipoli Peninsula next week and engage with senior representatives of the Turkish government in Istanbul.    “The Gallipoli campaign is a defining event in our history. It will be a privilege to share the occasion ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    17 hours ago

  • Minister to Europe for OECD meeting, Anzac Day
    Science, Innovation and Technology and Defence Minister Judith Collins will next week attend the OECD Science and Technology Ministerial conference in Paris and Anzac Day commemorations in Belgium. “Science, innovation and technology have a major role to play in rebuilding our economy and achieving better health, environmental and social outcomes ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    19 hours ago

  • Comprehensive Partnership the goal for NZ and the Philippines
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with the President of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos Jr.  The Prime Minister was accompanied by MP Paulo Garcia, the first Filipino to be elected to a legislature outside the Philippines. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon and President Marcos Jr discussed opportunities to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Government commits $20m to Westport flood protection
    The Government has announced that $20 million in funding will be made available to Westport to fund much needed flood protection around the town. This measure will significantly improve the resilience of the community, says Local Government Minister Simeon Brown. “The Westport community has already been allocated almost $3 million ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Taupō takes pole position
    The Government is proud to support the first ever Repco Supercars Championship event in Taupō as up to 70,000 motorsport fans attend the Taupō International Motorsport Park this weekend, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. “Anticipation for the ITM Taupō Super400 is huge, with tickets and accommodation selling out weeks ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Cost of living support for low-income homeowners
    Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced an increase to the Rates Rebate Scheme, putting money back into the pockets of low-income homeowners.  “The coalition Government is committed to bringing down the cost of living for New Zealanders. That includes targeted support for those Kiwis who are doing things tough, such ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Government backing mussel spat project
    The Coalition Government is investing in a project to boost survival rates of New Zealand mussels and grow the industry, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones has announced. “This project seeks to increase the resilience of our mussels and significantly boost the sector’s productivity,” Mr Jones says. “The project - ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Government focused on getting people into work
    Benefit figures released today underscore the importance of the Government’s plan to rebuild the economy and have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker Support, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “Benefit numbers are still significantly higher than when National was last in government, when there was about 70,000 fewer ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Clean energy key driver to reducing emissions
    The Government’s commitment to doubling New Zealand’s renewable energy capacity is backed by new data showing that clean energy has helped the country reach its lowest annual gross emissions since 1999, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. New Zealand’s latest Greenhouse Gas Inventory (1990-2022) published today, shows gross emissions fell ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Earthquake-prone buildings review brought forward
    The Government is bringing the earthquake-prone building review forward, with work to start immediately, and extending the deadline for remediations by four years, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “Our Government is focused on rebuilding the economy. A key part of our plan is to cut red tape that ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Thailand and NZ to agree to Strategic Partnership
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his Thai counterpart, Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, have today agreed that New Zealand and the Kingdom of Thailand will upgrade the bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership by 2026. “New Zealand and Thailand have a lot to offer each other. We have a strong mutual desire to build ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • Government consults on extending coastal permits for ports
    RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop and Transport Minister Simeon Brown have today announced the Coalition Government’s intention to extend port coastal permits for a further 20 years, providing port operators with certainty to continue their operations. “The introduction of the Resource Management Act in 1991 required ports to obtain coastal ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • Inflation coming down, but more work to do
    Today’s announcement that inflation is down to 4 per cent is encouraging news for Kiwis, but there is more work to be done - underlining the importance of the Government’s plan to get the economy back on track, acting Finance Minister Chris Bishop says. “Inflation is now at 4 per ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • School attendance restored as a priority in health advice
    Refreshed health guidance released today will help parents and schools make informed decisions about whether their child needs to be in school, addressing one of the key issues affecting school attendance, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. In recent years, consistently across all school terms, short-term illness or medical reasons ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • Unnecessary bureaucracy cut in oceans sector
    Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is streamlining high-level oceans management while maintaining a focus on supporting the sector’s role in the export-led recovery of the economy. “I am working to realise the untapped potential of our fishing and aquaculture sector. To achieve that we need to be smarter with ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • Patterson promoting NZ’s wool sector at International Congress
    Associate Agriculture Minister Mark Patterson is speaking at the International Wool Textile Organisation Congress in Adelaide, promoting New Zealand wool, and outlining the coalition Government’s support for the revitalisation the sector.    "New Zealand’s wool exports reached $400 million in the year to 30 June 2023, and the coalition Government ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • Removing red tape to help early learners thrive
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    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • RMA changes to cut coal mining consent red tape
    Changes to the Resource Management Act will align consenting for coal mining to other forms of mining to reduce barriers that are holding back economic development, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. “The inconsistent treatment of coal mining compared with other extractive activities is burdensome red tape that fails to acknowledge ...
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    4 days ago

  • McClay reaffirms strong NZ-China trade relationship
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  • Prime Minister Luxon acknowledges legacy of Singapore Prime Minister Lee
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