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Good for the goose

Written By: - Date published: 7:04 am, April 2nd, 2013 - 90 comments
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As you know, the Right says more money incentivises harder work. John Key felt he wasn’t working very hard when he first became PM on a net $250,000 a year, so he gave himself tax cuts and pay rises worth $100 a day. Just look at the results!

But I’m confused: why’s he cutting our pay with youth wages, higher Kiwisaver, and higher student loan repayments? Is it that rich people work harder when they get more money and poor people work harder when they get less?

I guess the elite really do see us as a different species – mules, I suppose. And I see them as a different species but for different reasons and as a different species – leeches.

90 comments on “Good for the goose ”

  1. halfcrown 1

    That’s an insult to Leeches, They are just blood sucking arseholes

    • The Al1en 1.1

      The twilight saga characters that never made it past the cutting room, but weta workshop have the rights to the animated movie.

  2. Ennui 2

    What is sauce for the goose will definitely be sauce for the gander, and if you read Kunstler this morning you will realise that nobody will be incented by working harder soon because there wont be much money to spread around and suck up.

    Myself, I am off to work this morning to look hard at the books, the annuity and sales revenues, the cost lines and how we can extend our profitable existence into the financial storm…which means who has to go, what can and cant be done etc. Employees will suffer first, then the owners pockets will suffer. The whole thing focuses the mind on thinning blood.

    Our story is the same as most employers. As those on this site line up to demand work, demand how the tax on non existent profit is spent, how to ameliorate social conditions, and how to carry on sucking on the diminishing public purse for pet projects,: you might want to consider that the motor is misfiring and may soon stop.

    In short, all leeches, left or right ought to suck hard and fast in the near future because the blood is drying up.

  3. vto 3

    The creed espoused by the right and the National Party is dishonest and bankrupt.

    • Tim 3.1

      Indeed! As Zetetic makes the point – in NActs creed, High pay = Hard work. Minimum pay simply means we’re not working hard enough (just like all those aged care workers, nurses, road workers, etc.)
      Their creed also states that Shrewd gamblers = shrewd negotiators (as the likes of Paddy Gower keep trying to push whilst advocating for them).

  4. Chris 4

    Why is higher Kiwisaver suddenly a bad thing according to Labour and now apparently people on this site. Labour orignally set it at 4% and complained when National dropped the rate.

    I’ve always thought that even 4% was too low – does anyone know what Australia’s rate is? I have a feeling it’s like 7% or something similar.

    • shorts 4.1

      its no bad thing, it is a political thing…. National “backing down” and labour trying to make hay of that fact

      • Joe Bloggs 4.1.1

        such hypocrisy from the Left…

        Labour complained bitterly about National dropping the minimum contribution from 4% to 2%

        And Labour’s policy is to make contributions compulsory so struggling workers have no choice in the matter.

        • Chris

          You could at least change the words a little bit when copy and pasting from Kiwiblog

          • QoT

            Typical leftie, expecting Joe Bloggs to work for free.

          • Joe Bloggs

            why change the wording? It remains rank hypocrisy no matter how much icing you smear over it.

            Incidentally I see David Shearer endorsed the Kiwisaver contribution increase on this week’s Breakfast programme, and he endorsed National targeting science and engineering in its loans and education policies.

            If it’s good enough for Shearer to endorse then it good enough for me. Enough arse-kissing – can I have my hidden offshore bank account now?

  5. infused 5

    When a youth doesn’t have a job, how is it cutting their pay?

    It’s funny how kiwisaver at 3% is now a bad thing eh? Chris their rate is 8%

    Student loans, maybe they should get such big loans then. The repayment incentive should have been kept though.

    • Descendant Of Sssmith 5.1

      There’s no minimum amount employees have to pay in Australia. Employee contributions are voluntary.

      The 9% is paid by the employer. This was lifted to 9% when employers got tax cuts. The tax cuts were moved into compulsory super payments for their staff.

      I’m more than supportive of employers paying 9% in line with Australia. Reminder too that NZ employers have already had the benefit of the tax cuts for a number of years now.


      • freedom 5.1.1

        “had the benefit of the tax cuts for a number of years now.”
        SNAP QUIZ
        What do you get if you multiply the tax cuts by four years?

        yes, that’s right kids
        No credible reason to sell the Assets and incontravertable proof that NActs are treasonous scum

    • Richard Down South 5.2

      Higher kiwisaver alone, isnt a bad thing, however, when minimum wage rises by 25c, you get a 1.85% increase in your wages, but over 1/2 of that goes to kiwisaver…

  6. TightyRighty 6

    So saving for your own retirement, paying back the loan you took to earn the higher wage in the first place and pricing the youth back into the job market are “cutting your pay packet”?

    Saving for your own retirement – this will give you a nest egg later in life. which can supplement your super. and afford you a better quality of living at a time in your life when you deserve to enjoy the fruits of your labour. Remember a dollar saved today gives you a dollar + X in the future. This will also help reduce our reliance on the foreign banks you are so fond of hating.

    Paying back the loan you took to earn the higher wage – this will reduce the outstanding loan amount sooner. enabling more money in your pay packet later in life. Wow, paying back something you owe, what a novel thought. Being interest free and all, the actual value of your loan is decreasing by 2.5% roughly any way. increasing the payment amounts by 2% is a fair way to claw back the inflation loss for the government without charging interest.

    Pricing the youth back into the market – not really cutting there pay packet is it? sort of giving them a pay packet really.

    • millsy 6.1

      Youth need to be able to pay bills, rent etc. Youth rates will not make them able to do that. All they will end up doing is slogging their guts out, and barely getting enough to pay for the gas to get them to work.

      And we need to keep the costs down for students, education is a social good, right wing scum.

      • Lanthanide 6.1.1

        Youth Rates only apply for the first 6 months.

        Actually Youth Rates already existed anyway, but they were capped at something like 140 hours or 3 months, whichever was the latter. Imo they should have moved it to 140 hours and 6 months whichever was the latter.

        • Lanthanide

          Er, it was previously something like 140 hours or 3 months, whichever was the earlier.

          IMO it should have been changed to 140 hours or 6 months, whicher was the earlier.

      • TightyRighty 6.1.2

        Dozy left wing loser. You call that an argument? If you have a student loan you are a prime reason to claw the monies back faster. So stupid you’ll forget to breathe

        • Tim

          And you’d call foul if we clawed back the cost of all those who benefited from Tertiary Study pre-student loans period would you? I’m picking that would be a YES

          • Tim

            I’m hoping you’ll say yes on the basis of it “being a matter of principle” – ESPECIALLY in light of the ‘principle’ applied to events since this term of government [read reality TV show] has taken place.

          • TightyRighty

            No, I wouldn’t cry foul. I don’t really see how it would be workable though. I have a student loan, i’d love to share some of the burden. I have a funny feeling that any government that proposed that wouldn’t be a government for long. Maybe its why this government wants more people to contribute to their retirement? in the past they’ve benefited from government largesse before.

            Stop guessing my opinions on things. You lefties are very quick to ascribe a certain outcome of opinion to people that you don’t even know. I don’t even know what your comment below means. Fucking numpty.

    • Draco T Bastard 6.2

      This will also help reduce our reliance on the foreign banks you are so fond of hating.

      No it won’t due to the vagaries of a debt based monetary system. Every dollar saved is a dollar taken out of circulation which means that another dollar plus interest will need to be borrowed taking us even further into debt.

      Paying back the loan you took to earn the higher wage

      IMO, Society benefits more from the person being educated than the person does and so that education should be freely available.

      Pricing the youth back into the market

      Doesn’t happen. This has been proved a number of times now – a low minimum wage and lower youth wages result in higher unemployment due to less demand.

      The problem with reducing everything to money is we forget the true value of things.

      • TightyRighty 6.2.1

        I completely disagree with all your assertions Draco.

        A dollar saved is not a dollar taken out. the most basic premise of economics, the opportunity cost tells us this is wrong. The opportunity cost of spending the dollar we have to today is not having that dollar + x interest in the future. Interest is earned for you by the banks loaning the money out. So every domestic dollar saved is one less domestic dollar we don’t need to borrow offshore. Also, as consumer based lending gets tighter due to the increased saving, we see the effect of increased investement in capital producing items. which then means a dollar saved is worth to society 1 + x(y) in the future. Yeah!! economics bitch.

        Society benefits from having all these marketing and arts grads how? Nurses, doctors, Lawyers, financial geniuses absolutely. History masters, yes. philosophy doctorates, brilliant. but the sheer quantity of BA and BCA grads? just pouring off overseas to not pay back their loans? Your opinion, while you are entitled to it, is wrong.

        Youth wages encourage youth employment, especially for menial jobs like flipping burgers and cooking chips. filling grocery bags. Your theory on a low minimum wage may have some merit in small economies, but it doesn’t flow through to youth wages which price inexperienced workers out of the market.

        The problem with thinking in fuzzy non-quantifiable terms is that you forget the true cost of things. things with no cost can’t achieve any value.

        • Draco T Bastard

          They’re not assertions – I’ve linked to the research several times before.

          As for having too many artists (which I don’t believe) then we should probably to something about our woeful R&D and manufacturing. As long as we continue to only do farming in the country then people doing studies that don’t want to do farming will look for alternatives and not find any.

          • TightyRighty

            I agree with that. But how are we going to fund these things? maybe an investement by a mysterious institution with money looking to make a return? Maybe groups of investors can invest in capital increasing mechanisms then spare some of the increase in capital to fund research and development of newer, better capital producing products. WOW.

            at least your arguments, even if wrong are better than millsy. Stupid fucking left wing toady loser.

            • Draco T Bastard

              maybe an investement by a mysterious institution with money looking to make a return?

              You mean like the taxpayers through their agent the government?

              • TightyRighty

                Taxpayers through the government mandated scheme using third party vehicles that possess the right expertise and incentives? Yes

                • One Tāne Huna

                  Sounds good, doesn’t it? “The right expertise and incentives” – I think you may have meant to say “correct”, because let’s face it, if they were “right” they’d probably be a bit challenged.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  Why go to the added expense of using third party vehicles? Just hire the expertise directly – far cheaper as it doesn’t have all that dead weight loss of profit.

        • One Tāne Huna

          “Society benefits from having all these marketing and arts grads how? ”

          So you think The Hobbit is a waste of society’s time now, yeah? So hard keeping up with those shifting goalposts.

          PS: What Sir Bob said.

          • TightyRighty

            What have BA’s got to do with the hobbit? Jesus wept, this will be a stretch.

            I agree with Bob to. I’d rather hire someone with a BA than a BCA if it’s a general position.

            • One Tāne Huna

              Um, computer graphic design and model making/sculpture are two examples. Don’t you know anything?

              PS: scriptwriting, makeup, lighting, special effects, the fucking novel

              PPS: perhaps poor Tighty thinks lawyers and accountants did all the work 😆

              PPPS: I agree with Sir Bob *too, you illiterate gimp.

              • McFlock

                not to mention all that acting, filming, writing/adapting for screen – you know, arts.

                Next TR will ask what BComs have to do with tax dodging.

                • One Tāne Huna

                  PPPPS: What’s the matter Tighty? You’re very quiet all of a sudden 😀

                  • TightyRighty

                    hey lprent, you hate it when people call people out for not lurking moar on the standard all day. Guess the rules do not apply to the tards like this idiot who thinks using a post script abbreviation so many times has a place outside a romcom.

                    Calling me out me out for using to instead of too. Maybe I should lurk moar, answer your internet tough guy challenges and proof read all your comments? Use some more emoticons spud the 2nd. They really emphasize your internet awesomness. Is this what using your expensive degree that you don’t want to pay back has brought you too? being a grammar dick?

                    A lot of them actually got intern jobs, at youth rates, to get the experience to do these things properly. degrees don’t guarantee jobs. That’s why overseas talent has to be trucked in sometimes.

                    [lprent: What are you talking about? What are you asking for (apart from a spelling check). I just looked at the context for several levels up and it still makes no sense.

                    Ummm – I guess you’re trying to refer to the owned/pwned whatever stupidity. But if you are referring to the comment you replied to, he (very carefully) did not claim victory – he asked a question. In fact you could have asked the same question of me since it is 4 hours since you commented. However I run moderation sweeps usually between 4 and 6 hours apart, so you can imagine what answer I’d give.

                    Explain what you are appealing about next time and don’t waste my time trying to read your mind. ]

                    • McFlock

                      Still unclear of what BAs have got to do with the Hobbit, then?

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      I’m going to agree with Tighty on this one. My response to his attack on fellow citizens was indeed vituperative and unnecessarily belittling.

                      I apologise unreservedly.

                      Do you understand why the Arts are valuable to society yet Tighty?

                    • TightyRighty

                      I do get why already, having studied economics, philosophy and politics, all humanities subjects. It’s the quantity that we are churning through our universities. Some of them then sit around on left wing blog sites pontificating about shit they know nothing about. All the while imagining they are dead cool and important, yet not understood by the world because the real world won’t hire substandard pontificating arse holes.

                      You and McFlock, if that’s the arts societies dream team, Bob Jones just might be wrong. Makes me wish I took a BCA. oh wait, did too.

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      “It’s the quantity that we are churning through our universities. ”

                      [citation needed]

                      Let’s imagine it’s 2007, and New Zealand has it’s highest employment rate in recorded history. Obviously the academic imbalance was just lying there waiting to trip us up.

                      Subtle, Tighty, almost sophisticated.

                    • McFlock


                      so basically you made a full of shit comment, and are miffed that we didn’t take it as gospel.

                      Two degrees? Wow, that’s unheard of. You must be smarter than I thought, or indeed your best IQ tests indicated.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      I do get why already, having studied economics, philosophy and politics, all humanities subjects. It’s the quantity that we are churning through our universities. Some of them then sit around on left wing blog sites pontificating about shit they know nothing about.

                      Shit the irony makes me piss my pants.

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      “substandard pontificating arse holes.”

                      Thanks Sweety I hoped I’d touch a nerve.

                      Stop attacking New Zealanders and you won’t find me in your face so much 😀

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      I’m in love with TightyRighty,
                      I’m in love with TightyRighty,
                      I’m in love with Righty T!

                      Oh, TightyRighty is so sexy,
                      He’s the girl for you and me,
                      I go red when he’s on the telly,
                      ‘Cos, I think, he fancies me…”

                      Apologies to The Notsensibles.

                    • Descendant Of Sssmith

                      Being a grammar dick is better than being semi-literate methinks.

                      Literary misunderstandings can make you both non-sensical and angry.

                      The many bail out the few

                      I do notice though that the right pointing out that the super contributions were much higher in Oz have fallen silent since it was pointed out that the contributions were paid by the employer.

                      One can only guess that their enthusiasm to match Oz has waned.

  7. aerobubble 7

    Fonterra is a collective, the combining of milk producers has meant better supply consistency, quality, price for consumers. so meat and wool producers want in too. What next? Students demanding fee education to deal to the exploitation they meet at the university gates?

    More kiwis would get wealthier quicker, and return to NZ faster, to buy homes, grow kids, if higher education were free. Look at Key, returned a multimillionaire. What has Key got against more Keys?

    The GFC is due to a mismatch between market valuations and real value. Real value in the great depression was represented when oil put a generation out of work due to the effects of oil on productivity (and took two world wars to unseat the systemic view that held back the market from finding real value again). Similarly today, the web is reshaping the nature of value, markets are weaken and unable to match real value sue to all the systemic interests. Take climate change, the National party denied it, and now farmers are paying the price because of the flawed incentives National feel farmers need (no CGT and water rights forever). More diary isn’t the way forward.
    More collectives in farming is!!!

    The world debt is the symptom that shows neo-liberalism up as a market failure.

    • aerobubble 7.1

      The biggest type of market failure. Market mismatch with the underlying realities of the global economy.

    • Draco T Bastard 7.2

      What has Key got against more Keys?

      The same thing that capitalists have against competition – it lowers profits.

  8. cricklewood 8

    I don’t get it,

    On one hand (on Labour.co.nz) David Parker last year said…
    “That’s why Labour supports a universal KiwiSaver scheme. After five years KiwiSaver has proved a huge success. Expanding it to every employee will increase savings, which will help to grow our economy and reduce overseas debt and the current account deficit.”

    Now they are criticizing an increase in Kiwisaver contribution as taking money from those who can’t afford it, I don’t see how making it compulsary won’t have the same effect for many who have opted out because they need that $20 now.

    Has Labour’s policy changed/changing? I can’t tell from the website as it doesn’t seem to say much. Would I be correct to presume that they will make kiwisaver and the employer contribution compulsary again as well as lift the contribuiton back to 4%?

    So many conflicting messages…

    • burt 8.1

      It’s not about what is good policy for Labour – It’s about being popular… Sadly the muppets think that all they need to do is oppose the government and they will be popular.

      Somebody should have told them the editor isn’t filtering the letters for them them anymore and their stupidity flip flopping to stay popular is laid bare in the blogs – has been for years…

      But they are dinosaurs… just waiting for their retirement doing what they have always done – say what the you think the people want to hear…..

      • cricklewood 8.1.1

        You’re probably right, and I think people see through it and in the end they are put off more than anything.
        Would be best if any public comment was filtered through the ‘say what we mean and mean what we say.’ standard.

        For my 2 cent’s worth ,
        I would have been issuing a release saying that Labour supports the governments desicion to increase kiwisaver contributions but they don’t go far enough. Then something along the lines of Labour will be reinstating the compulsary employer contribution and increasing it in step with the employee contribution.

        It’s positive and gives a clear point of difference…

        • burt

          Exactly, takes balls though and isn’t much chop for winning votes off National. So easier to bank on the short memories of the voters and oppose what would most likely be your own policy if in government.

          Another good example of this was the tax deductibility of donations. Labour poo-poo’d it as Nationals proposed policy referring to it as a Tory tax cut prior to an election then implemented it themselves 2 years later. Party faithful supporting them in both situations…

          You don’t need policies, just a charismatic leader and good polling information. Pitiful isn’t it.

  9. One Tāne Huna 9

    “…elite really do see us as a different species ” Zet.

    It really bugs me when left wingers buy into right-wing frames.
    There’s absolutely nothing wrong with being a member of an “elite”. Excellence must be encouraged wherever it is found.

    The right, of course, want “elite” to become synonymous with “wealthy”, so as to perpetuate the myth of the deserving rich. Don’t help them.

  10. Transient Viper 10

    The left needs to stop making this about John Key. Make it about National. As soon as we make it about JK, it forces the comparison with David Shearer.

    John Key gives that money to charity. Shearer paid NO tax, and was earning in excess of US$500,000. (Which he still has a lot of sitting in an overseas bank account.)

    • One Tāne Huna 10.1

      Shearer paid NO (sic) tax

      [citation needed]

      Am I missing something? Has Captain Mumblefuck been cheating on his taxes?

      • unpcnzcougar 10.1.1

        Shearer’s income from the UN was tax free. He also received free accommodation and meals, transport etc. Which begs the question – how much do you think it is possible to save over 10 years with no tax and living expenses. I think that is why he won’t disclose how much is in that US bank account.

        • One Tāne Huna

          Citation still needed. Do you know what “citation” means? It means I don’t take random anonymous interwebz person’s word for it. Please link to a source.

          Captain Mumblefuck worked in some pretty hostile places. Are you sure “tax free” is good characterisation? It strikes me that working in such environments might be “taxing” enough to cause a man to stutter. Post traumatic stress disorder, etc…

          • unpcnzcougar


            If this one doesn’t work for you I will find some more references.

            • One Tāne Huna

              Now be a good little wingnut and remind me who would collect the tax paid by UN workers.

            • GregJ

              You haven’t dug deeply enough – all UN staff salaries are subject to a Staff Assesment that is deducted from their gross salary – info here and here. It can be anywhere from 25-40% of the salary.

              The raison d’être behind the Staff Assessment is explained fully here but to quote directly from the document:

              “… noted that the GA, in establishing staff assessment, had recognized two purposes: one, conceptual, i.e., given the principle that UN salaries should not be subject to national income taxation, UN staff should not be seen as a privileged group exempt from any form of income tax; and the other, practical, i.e., given the fact that some Member States nevertheless continued to impose national income tax on the UN earnings of their nationals, to provide a source from which the amounts paid by those staff members in taxes could be reimbursed to them, so as to ensure equality of treatment as between staff members, regardless of their nationality, while not imposing any additional financial burden on those Member States which did not reap returns on their contribution to the budget in the form of income taxes.”

        • felix

          “I think that is why…”

          That’s not what “think” means.

    • idlegus 10.2

      what charity is that then?

    • Transient Viper 10.3

      I don’t have a citation – but that’s the perception. I’m not even sure it’s true (about John Key), and I’m sure the amounts Shearer was getting is just hearsay – but I’m sure that the chance of getting Shearer’s bank statements is as likely as John Key giving his charity receipts.

      • felix 10.3.1

        He doesn’t have any.

        I’ve been asking people on this blog and others for five years to provide a quote, a reference or a citation from John Key (or anyone else who would have reason to know) to indicate that he donates his salary to charity.

        In five years no-one has come up with a damn thing.

        Doesn’t happen.

    • karol 10.4

      Shearer declared the UN money to NZ IRD. I think that means, even though he pays no tax to the US on it, it still gets included in his total income and tax band in NZ.

  11. big bruv 11

    But I suppose this is OK?

    “NZ Nurses Organisation loses $1.1M but Union staff get paid nearly $900,000.00 more – Observation by the Owl

    The NZ Nurses Organisation have just posted a $1,108,073.00 LOSS – yes $1.1M, I repeat $1.1M loss.

    Yes the NZ Nurses Organisation has lost $1M plus but its all OK – Union staff wages went up from $9,242,906.00 to $10,134,451.00.

    An increase of $891,545.00”

    • One Tāne Huna 11.1

      Citations needed, trash. You think your word is good enough?

      • Draco T Bastard 11.1.1

        Google only reports WhaleOil, ergo, not credible.

          • big bruv

            Goodness me. It is indeed all there.

            Typical union low life feathering their own nest at the expense of the workers.

            • One Tāne Huna

              More like typical wingnut trash making false and malicious allegations if you ask me. Still, Capill, Garrett and Banks have set the benchmark so what can you expect?

          • BM

            From what I’ve just read the nurses union has 60 staff and has a wage bill of over 9 million dollars.
            There’s some really shonky shit going on here.

            • Descendant Of Sssmith

              So if the 19 staff listed in the report were at the maximum of the range declared over 100,000 the wage bill for those staff would come to 2.080 million.

              That would leave 6.920 million divided by 41staff which would equal over $168,000 each which funnily enough means they would be listed in the numbers receiving more than $100,000.

              Methinks common sense would say they have employed much more than 60 staff during the year.

            • Descendant Of Sssmith

              You realise reading is not the same thing as comprehending don’t you.

              • BM

                A 9 million dollar wage bill is completely ridiculous.
                The year before it was 8.5 million, what excuses have you got for that?
                Utterly disgraceful.

                • Descendant Of Sssmith

                  Even if no additional staff were employed, and I think it’s likely they were given the Earthquakes, that’s a 5% increase.

                  If only you were so vigilant questioning much larger increases in the private sector when companies made massive losses but CEO’s got large pay increases and bonuses.

                  It’s another reason I think business should be taxed at gross. You dumb asses think it’s about taxable profit while the executives of those companies rip shareholders off all over the place.

                  If shareholders focussed much more on actual expenses within businesses they would be a darn sight better off.

          • Descendant Of Sssmith

            Doesn’t seem particularly rank.

            Association is solvent with good asset base
            The nurses association was celebrating it’s centenary
            The association rightly would have incurred more cost supporting staff affected by Chch earthquakes – most organisations with significant numbers of staff affected have incurred additional costs. Unions in particular needed to support their own union staff in chch as well as members
            They hosted the South Pacific Nurses forum which would be a one off cost for the year

            It does seem quite a jump of staff into 100,000 bracket but without knowing why – they might have all been previously sitting on or around $99,000 and normal pay increases may have just jumped them over – I wouldn’t be drawing too many conclusions.

            I certainly don’t see anyone being paid 3.2 million dollars per annum.

      • felix 11.1.2

        It’s a whaleoil story: http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/03/nurses-union-loses-1-1m-but-union-staff-get-paid-900000-00-more/

        And the reason bruv didn’t link to it is because it also contains no citations, quotes or references and was written by Cameron’s top investigative reporter Brian Toldme.

        Hilarity in the comments though:

        my wife hates being part of the union, but not being in it means a very hard road which noone can be bothered with and you actually end up with many times less than the union tax so its not even a smart move. Very annoying.

        Yeah bloody unions, making your job easier and saving you money.

        • Descendant Of Sssmith

          Should be likely “I hate my wife belonging to the union cause I’m a patriarchal RWNJ. I’d like to believe she does under protest but in reality she’s much smarter than me, puts up with my mouthing off about unions and has learned to nod and say yes dear in all the right places when I utter forth my hate speech against those communist bastards.”

    • BM 11.2

      Typical rich pricks screwing over the worker.

  12. RedBaronCV 12

    Actually Labour are not being that inconsistent about kiwisaver. When they set it up originally the employer share was to be over and above the wages paid to employees and was to try to move the wage & salary share of the National income from around 45% up towards the 55% that is the equivalent Aussie figure. The employer share was deductible from entity profits but not taxed as part of an individual’s income. It had controls so shareholder employers couldn’t game the system but it did result in a lot of shareholder employees going onto their own PAYE payroll.

    Nact slayed all that by effectively allowing employers to take the employer share off someone’s wages and then the final insult was taxing it as employee income before it goes to the kiwisaver fund. Bill English made a lot of tax out of that little scam.
    It also means that unless people have a particularly good employment contract then the whole extra 2% comes off an employee’s gross wages.

    So under Labour someone with a gross wage of $100 put $2 into kiwisaver and then got another $2 from the employer so $102 in total and and a gross after KS of $98.

    Under Nact both of the $2 come out of the gross so the $100 is now $96 and from today will be $94. Calling anything an employer contribution is largely nonsense but Bill is loving this.
    Wage and salary earners are now funding KS schemes that keep his mates in high paying jobs and that will bear the risk of meltdown or Mighty River shares falling.

    Okay that’s a bit long winded.

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    Suspension to be reviewed again mid to late November Decision brought forward to enable access from Australia to first tranche of around 3000 rooms in MIQ Air New Zealand working at pace to put on more flights from Australia from October    The suspension of quarantine-free travel (QFT) with Australia has ...
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    12 hours ago
  • Extra support for Ethnic Communities to share vaccination information
    Extra support is being made available to Ethnic Communities to help them share COVID-19 vaccination information within their communities, Minister for Diversity, Inclusion and Ethnic Communities Priyanca Radhakrishnan said. “We know we need to get every eligible person in New Zealand vaccinated. A fund being launched today will allow for ...
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    13 hours ago
  • School holidays remain unchanged for Auckland region
    School holidays in Auckland will continue to be held at the same time as the rest of the country, starting from Saturday, 2 October, Education Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “I’ve carefully considered advice on the implications of shifting the dates and concluded that on balance, maintaining the status quo ...
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    14 hours ago
  • Government continues crackdown on gangs and organised crime
    Operation Tauwhiro extended until March 2022 Since it was launched in February, Operation Tauwhiro has resulted in:   987 firearms seized $4.99 million in cash seized 865 people charged with a firearms-related offence Gangs and organised crime groups will continue to be relentlessly targeted with the extension of Police’s successful ...
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    15 hours ago
  • Speech to Body Positive 'HIV Treatments Update Seminar 2021'
    E ngā mana E ngā reo E ngā iwi Tēnā koutou katoa Ka huri ki ngā mana whenua o te rohe nei. Tēnā koutou. He mihi hoki ki a tatou kua tau mai nei I raro I te kaupapa o te rā. Nō reira tēnā koutou katoa Acknowledgements It’s a ...
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    16 hours ago
  • NZ economy’s strong momentum will support rebound from Delta outbreak; COVID fund replenished
    The economy showed strong momentum in the period leading up to the recent Delta COVID-19 outbreak, which bodes well for a solid economic rebound, Grant Robertson said. GDP rose 2.8 percent in the June quarter, following on from a 1.4 percent increase in the previous March quarter. This was a ...
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    2 days ago
  • Projects create benefits into the future
    Making a well-known lake swimmable and helping to halt the decline of the endangered hoiho/yellow-eyed penguins are among a suite of new projects being supported by the Government’s Jobs for Nature programme across the southern South Island, Conservation Minister Kiri Allan says. “It’s no secret that many of our most ...
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    2 days ago
  • Opening statement for Whāriki Indigenous Small Business Roundtable
      Kei ngā tōpito e wha o te āo e rere ana te mihi maioha ki a koutou nō tawhiti, nō tata mai e tāpiri ana ki tēnei taumata kōrero mo te ao hokohoko arā mā ngā pākihi mo ngā iwi taketake Tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou katoa – Pai Mārire.  ...
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    2 days ago
  • New members appointed to Kāpuia
    The Government is adding four additional members to Kāpuia, the Ministerial Advisory Group on the Government’s Response to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the terrorist attack on Christchurch mosques. “I’m looking forward to having Pamela MacNeill, Huia Bramley, Melani Anae and Katherine Dedo  join Kāpuia and contribute to this group’s ...
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    2 days ago
  • Timeline confirmed for Emissions Reductions Plan
    Cabinet has agreed to begin consulting on the Emissions Reduction Plan in early October and require that the final plan be released by the end of May next year in line with the 2022 Budget, the Minister of Climate Change, James Shaw confirmed today. “Cabinet’s decision allows organisations and communities ...
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    2 days ago
  • Pay parity pathway for early learning teachers confirmed
    Pay parity conditions and higher funding rates for education and care services will come into force on 1 January, 2022, Minister of Education Chris Hipkins confirmed today. The Government signalled this work in Budget 2021. “From 1 January, 2022, centres opting into the scheme will receive government funding and be ...
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    2 days ago
  • Speech to the New Zealand Nurses Organisation Conference 2021
    Kia Ora tatau katoa.   Ka tuku mihi ki nga nēhi, He pou Hauora o Aotearoa, E ora ai tatou.   Whakatau mai  I runga i te kaupapa o te ra Te NZNO conference.   Tena koutou tena koutou Tena tatou katoa   Good morning, and thank you inviting me ...
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    3 days ago
  • Government investment in farmer-led catchment groups sweeps past 150 mark
    171 catchment groups have now been invested in by the Government 31 catchment groups in the Lower North Island are receiving new support More than 5,000 farmers are focussed on restoring freshwater within a generation through involvement in catchment groups  Government investment in on-the-ground efforts by farmers to improve land ...
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    3 days ago
  • Fight to protect kauri on track
    The Government is pitching in to help vital work to protect nationally significant kauri forests in Auckland, Minister of Conservation Kiri Allan says. “Ensuring the survival of these iconic trees for future generations means doing everything we can to prevent the potential spread of kauri dieback disease,” Kiri Allan said. ...
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    4 days ago
  • Joint statement of Mr Bernard Monk; Hon Andrew Little, Minister Responsible for Pike River Re-entry,...
    [Note: The Parties have agreed on terms to fully and finally settle the proceeding and will jointly issue the below statement.] At the heart of this litigation are the lives of the 29 men tragically lost at the Pike River mine on 19 November 2010 and to whom we pay ...
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    4 days ago
  • More financial support for businesses
    Today’s decision to keep Auckland in a higher COVID Alert Level triggers a third round of the Wage Subsidy Scheme which will open for applications at 9am this Friday. “The revenue test period for this payment will be the 14th to the 27th of September. A reminder that this is ...
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    4 days ago
  • Aotearoa New Zealand provides further humanitarian support for Afghanistan
    Aotearoa New Zealand is providing a further $3 million in humanitarian assistance in Afghanistan, Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta announced today.  “There is significant humanitarian need in Afghanistan, with the crisis disproportionately affecting women and girls,” said Nanaia Mahuta. The UN has estimated that 80% of the quarter of a million ...
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    5 days ago
  • Innovative te reo prediction tool announced in Te Wiki o Te Reo Māori
    A new Māori language prediction tool will play a key role in tracking our te reo Māori revitalisation efforts, Minister for Māori Development Willie Jackson announced today. He Ara Poutama mō te reo Māori (He Ara Poutama) can forecast the number of conversational and fluent speakers of te reo Māori ...
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    5 days ago
  • Further Government support for people to access food and essential items
    The Government is responding to need for support in Auckland and has committed a further $10 million to help people access ongoing food and other essential items, Minister for Social Development Carmel Sepuloni announced today. This latest tranche is targeted at the Auckland region, helping providers and organisations to distribute ...
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    5 days ago
  • Half a million Pfizer vaccines from Denmark
    The Government has secured an extra half a million doses of Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines from Denmark that will start arriving in New Zealand within days, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced today. “This is the second and larger agreement the Government has entered into to purchase additional vaccines to meet the ...
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    6 days ago
  • Inland Revenue providing essential COVID support for businesses
    Inland Revenue is seeing increased demand for Resurgence Support Payments and other assistance schemes that it administers, but is processing applications quickly, Revenue Minister David Parker said today. David Parker said the Resurgence Support Payment, the Small Business Cashflow (loan) Scheme and the Wage Subsidy are available at the same ...
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    7 days ago
  • New Zealand marks 20th anniversary of 9/11 attacks
    New Zealand is expressing unity with all victims, families and loved ones affected by the September 11 2001 terrorist attacks, and all terrorist attacks around the world since, including in New Zealand. “Saturday marks twenty years since the 9/11 terrorist attacks in the United States, which killed nearly 3,000 people ...
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    1 week ago
  • Speech to SPREP Environment Ministers
    Talofa Honourable Ulu of Tokelau Faipule Kelihiano Kalolo Tēnā koutou katoa and warm Pacific greetings from Aotearoa to your excellencies, ladies and gentlemen. The new science released by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change on 8 August paints an alarming picture of the projected impacts of climate change on the ...
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    1 week ago
  • Additional Resurgence Support Payments to support business
    Businesses affected by higher Alert Levels will be able to apply for further Resurgence Support Payments (RSP). “The Government’s RSP was initially intended as a one-off payment to help businesses with their fixed costs, such as rent. Ministers have agreed to provide additional payments to recognise the effects of an ...
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    1 week ago
  • More Dawn Raids scholarships announced
    Details of the ‘Manaaki New Zealand Short Term Training Scholarships’, a goodwill gesture that follows the Government’s apology for the Dawn Raids of the 1970s, were released today by Pacific Peoples Minister Aupito William Sio. “These scholarships that are targeted to the Pacific will support the kaupapa of the Dawn Raids’ ...
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    1 week ago
  • One-way quarantine-free travel for RSE workers starting in October
      One-way quarantine-free travel for Recognised Seasonal Employer (RSE) workers from Samoa, Tonga and Vanuatu starts in October New requirement for RSE workers to have received their first vaccination pre-departure, undertake Day 0 and Day 5 tests, and complete a self-isolation period of seven days, pending a negative Day 5 ...
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    1 week ago
  • Govt boosts Pacific suicide prevention support
    Applications have opened for the Pacific Suicide Prevention Community Fund as the Government acts to boost support amid the COVID delta outbreak. “We know strong and connected families and communities are the most important protective factor against suicide and this $900,000 fund will help to support this work,” Health Minister ...
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    1 week ago
  • Govt parks the expiry of licenses, WoFs and regos
    As a result of the Delta outbreak, driver licences, Warrants of Fitness (WoFs), Certificates of Fitness (CoFs), vehicle licences (‘regos’) and licence endorsements that expired on or after 21 July 2021 will be valid until 30 November 2021, Transport Minister Michael Wood has announced today. “While this extension won’t officially ...
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    1 week ago
  • COVID-19 community fund to provide support for vulnerable women and girls
    Minister for Women Jan Tinetti today announced a $2 million community fund that will provide support for women and girls adversely affected by COVID-19. “We know that women, particularly those who are already vulnerable, are disproportionally affected by the kind of economic disruption caused by COVID-19,” Jan Tinetti said. ...
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    1 week ago
  • Next phase of support for Fiji’s COVID-19 response announced
    A further NZ$12 million of support for Fiji’s COVID-19 response has been announced by Foreign Minister Hon Nanaia Mahuta today. The package builds on previous tranches of assistance Aotearoa New Zealand has provided to Fiji, totalling over NZ$50 million. “Fiji remains in a very challenging position in their response to ...
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    1 week ago
  • Robotic asparagus harvester aimed at addressing industry challenges
    The Government is backing a $5 million project to develop a commercial-scale autonomous robotic asparagus harvester, Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor announced today. The Sustainable Food and Fibre Futures fund (SFF Futures) is contributing $2.6 million to the project. Project partner Robotics Plus Limited (RPL) will build on a prototype asparagus ...
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    1 week ago
  • Additional Pfizer vaccines to arrive tomorrow
    More than a quarter of a million additional doses of the Pfizer vaccine are on their way from Spain to New Zealand, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced today. The additional doses will arrive in Auckland on Friday morning to help meet the current surge in demand for vaccination. “It’s been ...
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    1 week ago
  • Young people to have their voices heard in Youth Parliament 2022
    The dates and details for Youth Parliament 2022 have been announced today by Minister for Youth Priyanca Radhakrishnan, and the Speaker of the House of Representatives. Youth Parliament is an opportunity for 141 young people from across Aotearoa New Zealand to experience the political process and learn how government works. ...
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    1 week ago
  • Boosting support for tertiary students affected by COVID-19
    Students facing a hard time as a result of COVID-19 restrictions will continue to be supported,” Education Minister Chris Hipkins confirmed today. The Government is putting a further $20 million into the Hardship Fund for Learners, which will help around 15,000 students to stay connected to their studies and learning. ...
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    1 week ago
  • COVID-19: Immediate relief available for Māori and iwi organisations
    The Government has reprioritised up to $5 million to provide immediate relief to vulnerable whānau Māori and communities during the current COVID-19 outbreak Minister for Māori Development Willie Jackson announced today. The COVID-19 2021 Whānau Recovery Fund will support community-driven, local responses to gaps in access and provision of critical ...
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    1 week ago
  • New beef genetics programme to deliver cows with smaller environmental hoof-print
    The Government is backing a genetics programme to lower the beef sector’s greenhouse gas emissions by delivering cows with a smaller environmental hoof-print, Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor announced today. Informing New Zealand Beef is a seven-year partnership with Beef + Lamb New Zealand that is expected to result in more ...
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    1 week ago
  • Appointments to the New Zealand Qualifications Authority
    Education Minister Chris Hipkins today announced new appointments to the board of the New Zealand Qualifications Authority (NZQA). Former Associate Minister of Education, Hon Tracey Martin, has been appointed as the new Chair for NZQA, replacing the outgoing Acting and Deputy Chair Professor Neil Quigley after an 11-year tenure on ...
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    1 week ago
  • Govt supports residential house building by allowing manufacture of building supplies
    The Government has agreed to allow some building product manufacturing to take place in Auckland during Covid lockdown to support continued residential construction activity across New Zealand. “There are supply chain issues that arise from Alert Level 4 as building products that are manufactured domestically are mostly manufactured in Auckland. ...
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    1 week ago
  • Government invests in scientific research to boost economy, address climate change and enhance wellb...
    Research, Science and Innovation Minister Hon Dr Megan Woods has today announced the recipients of this year’s Endeavour Fund to help tackle the big issues that New Zealanders care about, like boosting economic performance, climate change, transport infrastructure and wellbeing. In total, 69 new scientific research projects were awarded over ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Transport to drive economic recovery
    The Government is investing a record amount in transport services and infrastructure to get New Zealand moving, reduce emissions and support the economic recovery, Transport Minister Michael Wood announced today. The 2021-24 National Land Transport Programme (NLTP) was released today which outlines the planned investments Waka Kotahi NZ Transport Agency ...
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    2 weeks ago