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Good for the goose

Written By: - Date published: 7:04 am, April 2nd, 2013 - 90 comments
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As you know, the Right says more money incentivises harder work. John Key felt he wasn’t working very hard when he first became PM on a net $250,000 a year, so he gave himself tax cuts and pay rises worth $100 a day. Just look at the results!

But I’m confused: why’s he cutting our pay with youth wages, higher Kiwisaver, and higher student loan repayments? Is it that rich people work harder when they get more money and poor people work harder when they get less?

I guess the elite really do see us as a different species – mules, I suppose. And I see them as a different species but for different reasons and as a different species – leeches.

90 comments on “Good for the goose ”

  1. halfcrown 1

    That’s an insult to Leeches, They are just blood sucking arseholes

    • The Al1en 1.1

      The twilight saga characters that never made it past the cutting room, but weta workshop have the rights to the animated movie.

  2. Ennui 2

    What is sauce for the goose will definitely be sauce for the gander, and if you read Kunstler this morning you will realise that nobody will be incented by working harder soon because there wont be much money to spread around and suck up.

    Myself, I am off to work this morning to look hard at the books, the annuity and sales revenues, the cost lines and how we can extend our profitable existence into the financial storm…which means who has to go, what can and cant be done etc. Employees will suffer first, then the owners pockets will suffer. The whole thing focuses the mind on thinning blood.

    Our story is the same as most employers. As those on this site line up to demand work, demand how the tax on non existent profit is spent, how to ameliorate social conditions, and how to carry on sucking on the diminishing public purse for pet projects,: you might want to consider that the motor is misfiring and may soon stop.

    In short, all leeches, left or right ought to suck hard and fast in the near future because the blood is drying up.

  3. vto 3

    The creed espoused by the right and the National Party is dishonest and bankrupt.

    • Tim 3.1

      Indeed! As Zetetic makes the point – in NActs creed, High pay = Hard work. Minimum pay simply means we’re not working hard enough (just like all those aged care workers, nurses, road workers, etc.)
      Their creed also states that Shrewd gamblers = shrewd negotiators (as the likes of Paddy Gower keep trying to push whilst advocating for them).

  4. Chris 4

    Why is higher Kiwisaver suddenly a bad thing according to Labour and now apparently people on this site. Labour orignally set it at 4% and complained when National dropped the rate.

    I’ve always thought that even 4% was too low – does anyone know what Australia’s rate is? I have a feeling it’s like 7% or something similar.

    • shorts 4.1

      its no bad thing, it is a political thing…. National “backing down” and labour trying to make hay of that fact

      • Joe Bloggs 4.1.1

        such hypocrisy from the Left…

        Labour complained bitterly about National dropping the minimum contribution from 4% to 2%

        And Labour’s policy is to make contributions compulsory so struggling workers have no choice in the matter.

        • Chris

          You could at least change the words a little bit when copy and pasting from Kiwiblog

          • QoT

            Typical leftie, expecting Joe Bloggs to work for free.

          • Joe Bloggs

            why change the wording? It remains rank hypocrisy no matter how much icing you smear over it.

            Incidentally I see David Shearer endorsed the Kiwisaver contribution increase on this week’s Breakfast programme, and he endorsed National targeting science and engineering in its loans and education policies.

            If it’s good enough for Shearer to endorse then it good enough for me. Enough arse-kissing – can I have my hidden offshore bank account now?

  5. infused 5

    When a youth doesn’t have a job, how is it cutting their pay?

    It’s funny how kiwisaver at 3% is now a bad thing eh? Chris their rate is 8%

    Student loans, maybe they should get such big loans then. The repayment incentive should have been kept though.

    • Descendant Of Sssmith 5.1

      There’s no minimum amount employees have to pay in Australia. Employee contributions are voluntary.

      The 9% is paid by the employer. This was lifted to 9% when employers got tax cuts. The tax cuts were moved into compulsory super payments for their staff.

      I’m more than supportive of employers paying 9% in line with Australia. Reminder too that NZ employers have already had the benefit of the tax cuts for a number of years now.


      • freedom 5.1.1

        “had the benefit of the tax cuts for a number of years now.”
        SNAP QUIZ
        What do you get if you multiply the tax cuts by four years?

        yes, that’s right kids
        No credible reason to sell the Assets and incontravertable proof that NActs are treasonous scum

    • Richard Down South 5.2

      Higher kiwisaver alone, isnt a bad thing, however, when minimum wage rises by 25c, you get a 1.85% increase in your wages, but over 1/2 of that goes to kiwisaver…

  6. TightyRighty 6

    So saving for your own retirement, paying back the loan you took to earn the higher wage in the first place and pricing the youth back into the job market are “cutting your pay packet”?

    Saving for your own retirement – this will give you a nest egg later in life. which can supplement your super. and afford you a better quality of living at a time in your life when you deserve to enjoy the fruits of your labour. Remember a dollar saved today gives you a dollar + X in the future. This will also help reduce our reliance on the foreign banks you are so fond of hating.

    Paying back the loan you took to earn the higher wage – this will reduce the outstanding loan amount sooner. enabling more money in your pay packet later in life. Wow, paying back something you owe, what a novel thought. Being interest free and all, the actual value of your loan is decreasing by 2.5% roughly any way. increasing the payment amounts by 2% is a fair way to claw back the inflation loss for the government without charging interest.

    Pricing the youth back into the market – not really cutting there pay packet is it? sort of giving them a pay packet really.

    • millsy 6.1

      Youth need to be able to pay bills, rent etc. Youth rates will not make them able to do that. All they will end up doing is slogging their guts out, and barely getting enough to pay for the gas to get them to work.

      And we need to keep the costs down for students, education is a social good, right wing scum.

      • Lanthanide 6.1.1

        Youth Rates only apply for the first 6 months.

        Actually Youth Rates already existed anyway, but they were capped at something like 140 hours or 3 months, whichever was the latter. Imo they should have moved it to 140 hours and 6 months whichever was the latter.

        • Lanthanide

          Er, it was previously something like 140 hours or 3 months, whichever was the earlier.

          IMO it should have been changed to 140 hours or 6 months, whicher was the earlier.

      • TightyRighty 6.1.2

        Dozy left wing loser. You call that an argument? If you have a student loan you are a prime reason to claw the monies back faster. So stupid you’ll forget to breathe

        • Tim

          And you’d call foul if we clawed back the cost of all those who benefited from Tertiary Study pre-student loans period would you? I’m picking that would be a YES

          • Tim

            I’m hoping you’ll say yes on the basis of it “being a matter of principle” – ESPECIALLY in light of the ‘principle’ applied to events since this term of government [read reality TV show] has taken place.

          • TightyRighty

            No, I wouldn’t cry foul. I don’t really see how it would be workable though. I have a student loan, i’d love to share some of the burden. I have a funny feeling that any government that proposed that wouldn’t be a government for long. Maybe its why this government wants more people to contribute to their retirement? in the past they’ve benefited from government largesse before.

            Stop guessing my opinions on things. You lefties are very quick to ascribe a certain outcome of opinion to people that you don’t even know. I don’t even know what your comment below means. Fucking numpty.

    • Draco T Bastard 6.2

      This will also help reduce our reliance on the foreign banks you are so fond of hating.

      No it won’t due to the vagaries of a debt based monetary system. Every dollar saved is a dollar taken out of circulation which means that another dollar plus interest will need to be borrowed taking us even further into debt.

      Paying back the loan you took to earn the higher wage

      IMO, Society benefits more from the person being educated than the person does and so that education should be freely available.

      Pricing the youth back into the market

      Doesn’t happen. This has been proved a number of times now – a low minimum wage and lower youth wages result in higher unemployment due to less demand.

      The problem with reducing everything to money is we forget the true value of things.

      • TightyRighty 6.2.1

        I completely disagree with all your assertions Draco.

        A dollar saved is not a dollar taken out. the most basic premise of economics, the opportunity cost tells us this is wrong. The opportunity cost of spending the dollar we have to today is not having that dollar + x interest in the future. Interest is earned for you by the banks loaning the money out. So every domestic dollar saved is one less domestic dollar we don’t need to borrow offshore. Also, as consumer based lending gets tighter due to the increased saving, we see the effect of increased investement in capital producing items. which then means a dollar saved is worth to society 1 + x(y) in the future. Yeah!! economics bitch.

        Society benefits from having all these marketing and arts grads how? Nurses, doctors, Lawyers, financial geniuses absolutely. History masters, yes. philosophy doctorates, brilliant. but the sheer quantity of BA and BCA grads? just pouring off overseas to not pay back their loans? Your opinion, while you are entitled to it, is wrong.

        Youth wages encourage youth employment, especially for menial jobs like flipping burgers and cooking chips. filling grocery bags. Your theory on a low minimum wage may have some merit in small economies, but it doesn’t flow through to youth wages which price inexperienced workers out of the market.

        The problem with thinking in fuzzy non-quantifiable terms is that you forget the true cost of things. things with no cost can’t achieve any value.

        • Draco T Bastard

          They’re not assertions – I’ve linked to the research several times before.

          As for having too many artists (which I don’t believe) then we should probably to something about our woeful R&D and manufacturing. As long as we continue to only do farming in the country then people doing studies that don’t want to do farming will look for alternatives and not find any.

          • TightyRighty

            I agree with that. But how are we going to fund these things? maybe an investement by a mysterious institution with money looking to make a return? Maybe groups of investors can invest in capital increasing mechanisms then spare some of the increase in capital to fund research and development of newer, better capital producing products. WOW.

            at least your arguments, even if wrong are better than millsy. Stupid fucking left wing toady loser.

            • Draco T Bastard

              maybe an investement by a mysterious institution with money looking to make a return?

              You mean like the taxpayers through their agent the government?

              • TightyRighty

                Taxpayers through the government mandated scheme using third party vehicles that possess the right expertise and incentives? Yes

                • One Tāne Huna

                  Sounds good, doesn’t it? “The right expertise and incentives” – I think you may have meant to say “correct”, because let’s face it, if they were “right” they’d probably be a bit challenged.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  Why go to the added expense of using third party vehicles? Just hire the expertise directly – far cheaper as it doesn’t have all that dead weight loss of profit.

        • One Tāne Huna

          “Society benefits from having all these marketing and arts grads how? ”

          So you think The Hobbit is a waste of society’s time now, yeah? So hard keeping up with those shifting goalposts.

          PS: What Sir Bob said.

          • TightyRighty

            What have BA’s got to do with the hobbit? Jesus wept, this will be a stretch.

            I agree with Bob to. I’d rather hire someone with a BA than a BCA if it’s a general position.

            • One Tāne Huna

              Um, computer graphic design and model making/sculpture are two examples. Don’t you know anything?

              PS: scriptwriting, makeup, lighting, special effects, the fucking novel

              PPS: perhaps poor Tighty thinks lawyers and accountants did all the work 😆

              PPPS: I agree with Sir Bob *too, you illiterate gimp.

              • McFlock

                not to mention all that acting, filming, writing/adapting for screen – you know, arts.

                Next TR will ask what BComs have to do with tax dodging.

                • One Tāne Huna

                  PPPPS: What’s the matter Tighty? You’re very quiet all of a sudden 😀

                  • TightyRighty

                    hey lprent, you hate it when people call people out for not lurking moar on the standard all day. Guess the rules do not apply to the tards like this idiot who thinks using a post script abbreviation so many times has a place outside a romcom.

                    Calling me out me out for using to instead of too. Maybe I should lurk moar, answer your internet tough guy challenges and proof read all your comments? Use some more emoticons spud the 2nd. They really emphasize your internet awesomness. Is this what using your expensive degree that you don’t want to pay back has brought you too? being a grammar dick?

                    A lot of them actually got intern jobs, at youth rates, to get the experience to do these things properly. degrees don’t guarantee jobs. That’s why overseas talent has to be trucked in sometimes.

                    [lprent: What are you talking about? What are you asking for (apart from a spelling check). I just looked at the context for several levels up and it still makes no sense.

                    Ummm – I guess you’re trying to refer to the owned/pwned whatever stupidity. But if you are referring to the comment you replied to, he (very carefully) did not claim victory – he asked a question. In fact you could have asked the same question of me since it is 4 hours since you commented. However I run moderation sweeps usually between 4 and 6 hours apart, so you can imagine what answer I’d give.

                    Explain what you are appealing about next time and don’t waste my time trying to read your mind. ]

                    • McFlock

                      Still unclear of what BAs have got to do with the Hobbit, then?

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      I’m going to agree with Tighty on this one. My response to his attack on fellow citizens was indeed vituperative and unnecessarily belittling.

                      I apologise unreservedly.

                      Do you understand why the Arts are valuable to society yet Tighty?

                    • TightyRighty

                      I do get why already, having studied economics, philosophy and politics, all humanities subjects. It’s the quantity that we are churning through our universities. Some of them then sit around on left wing blog sites pontificating about shit they know nothing about. All the while imagining they are dead cool and important, yet not understood by the world because the real world won’t hire substandard pontificating arse holes.

                      You and McFlock, if that’s the arts societies dream team, Bob Jones just might be wrong. Makes me wish I took a BCA. oh wait, did too.

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      “It’s the quantity that we are churning through our universities. ”

                      [citation needed]

                      Let’s imagine it’s 2007, and New Zealand has it’s highest employment rate in recorded history. Obviously the academic imbalance was just lying there waiting to trip us up.

                      Subtle, Tighty, almost sophisticated.

                    • McFlock


                      so basically you made a full of shit comment, and are miffed that we didn’t take it as gospel.

                      Two degrees? Wow, that’s unheard of. You must be smarter than I thought, or indeed your best IQ tests indicated.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      I do get why already, having studied economics, philosophy and politics, all humanities subjects. It’s the quantity that we are churning through our universities. Some of them then sit around on left wing blog sites pontificating about shit they know nothing about.

                      Shit the irony makes me piss my pants.

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      “substandard pontificating arse holes.”

                      Thanks Sweety I hoped I’d touch a nerve.

                      Stop attacking New Zealanders and you won’t find me in your face so much 😀

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      I’m in love with TightyRighty,
                      I’m in love with TightyRighty,
                      I’m in love with Righty T!

                      Oh, TightyRighty is so sexy,
                      He’s the girl for you and me,
                      I go red when he’s on the telly,
                      ‘Cos, I think, he fancies me…”

                      Apologies to The Notsensibles.

                    • Descendant Of Sssmith

                      Being a grammar dick is better than being semi-literate methinks.

                      Literary misunderstandings can make you both non-sensical and angry.

                      The many bail out the few

                      I do notice though that the right pointing out that the super contributions were much higher in Oz have fallen silent since it was pointed out that the contributions were paid by the employer.

                      One can only guess that their enthusiasm to match Oz has waned.

  7. aerobubble 7

    Fonterra is a collective, the combining of milk producers has meant better supply consistency, quality, price for consumers. so meat and wool producers want in too. What next? Students demanding fee education to deal to the exploitation they meet at the university gates?

    More kiwis would get wealthier quicker, and return to NZ faster, to buy homes, grow kids, if higher education were free. Look at Key, returned a multimillionaire. What has Key got against more Keys?

    The GFC is due to a mismatch between market valuations and real value. Real value in the great depression was represented when oil put a generation out of work due to the effects of oil on productivity (and took two world wars to unseat the systemic view that held back the market from finding real value again). Similarly today, the web is reshaping the nature of value, markets are weaken and unable to match real value sue to all the systemic interests. Take climate change, the National party denied it, and now farmers are paying the price because of the flawed incentives National feel farmers need (no CGT and water rights forever). More diary isn’t the way forward.
    More collectives in farming is!!!

    The world debt is the symptom that shows neo-liberalism up as a market failure.

    • aerobubble 7.1

      The biggest type of market failure. Market mismatch with the underlying realities of the global economy.

    • Draco T Bastard 7.2

      What has Key got against more Keys?

      The same thing that capitalists have against competition – it lowers profits.

  8. cricklewood 8

    I don’t get it,

    On one hand (on Labour.co.nz) David Parker last year said…
    “That’s why Labour supports a universal KiwiSaver scheme. After five years KiwiSaver has proved a huge success. Expanding it to every employee will increase savings, which will help to grow our economy and reduce overseas debt and the current account deficit.”

    Now they are criticizing an increase in Kiwisaver contribution as taking money from those who can’t afford it, I don’t see how making it compulsary won’t have the same effect for many who have opted out because they need that $20 now.

    Has Labour’s policy changed/changing? I can’t tell from the website as it doesn’t seem to say much. Would I be correct to presume that they will make kiwisaver and the employer contribution compulsary again as well as lift the contribuiton back to 4%?

    So many conflicting messages…

    • burt 8.1

      It’s not about what is good policy for Labour – It’s about being popular… Sadly the muppets think that all they need to do is oppose the government and they will be popular.

      Somebody should have told them the editor isn’t filtering the letters for them them anymore and their stupidity flip flopping to stay popular is laid bare in the blogs – has been for years…

      But they are dinosaurs… just waiting for their retirement doing what they have always done – say what the you think the people want to hear…..

      • cricklewood 8.1.1

        You’re probably right, and I think people see through it and in the end they are put off more than anything.
        Would be best if any public comment was filtered through the ‘say what we mean and mean what we say.’ standard.

        For my 2 cent’s worth ,
        I would have been issuing a release saying that Labour supports the governments desicion to increase kiwisaver contributions but they don’t go far enough. Then something along the lines of Labour will be reinstating the compulsary employer contribution and increasing it in step with the employee contribution.

        It’s positive and gives a clear point of difference…

        • burt

          Exactly, takes balls though and isn’t much chop for winning votes off National. So easier to bank on the short memories of the voters and oppose what would most likely be your own policy if in government.

          Another good example of this was the tax deductibility of donations. Labour poo-poo’d it as Nationals proposed policy referring to it as a Tory tax cut prior to an election then implemented it themselves 2 years later. Party faithful supporting them in both situations…

          You don’t need policies, just a charismatic leader and good polling information. Pitiful isn’t it.

  9. One Tāne Huna 9

    “…elite really do see us as a different species ” Zet.

    It really bugs me when left wingers buy into right-wing frames.
    There’s absolutely nothing wrong with being a member of an “elite”. Excellence must be encouraged wherever it is found.

    The right, of course, want “elite” to become synonymous with “wealthy”, so as to perpetuate the myth of the deserving rich. Don’t help them.

  10. Transient Viper 10

    The left needs to stop making this about John Key. Make it about National. As soon as we make it about JK, it forces the comparison with David Shearer.

    John Key gives that money to charity. Shearer paid NO tax, and was earning in excess of US$500,000. (Which he still has a lot of sitting in an overseas bank account.)

    • One Tāne Huna 10.1

      Shearer paid NO (sic) tax

      [citation needed]

      Am I missing something? Has Captain Mumblefuck been cheating on his taxes?

      • unpcnzcougar 10.1.1

        Shearer’s income from the UN was tax free. He also received free accommodation and meals, transport etc. Which begs the question – how much do you think it is possible to save over 10 years with no tax and living expenses. I think that is why he won’t disclose how much is in that US bank account.

        • One Tāne Huna

          Citation still needed. Do you know what “citation” means? It means I don’t take random anonymous interwebz person’s word for it. Please link to a source.

          Captain Mumblefuck worked in some pretty hostile places. Are you sure “tax free” is good characterisation? It strikes me that working in such environments might be “taxing” enough to cause a man to stutter. Post traumatic stress disorder, etc…

          • unpcnzcougar


            If this one doesn’t work for you I will find some more references.

            • One Tāne Huna

              Now be a good little wingnut and remind me who would collect the tax paid by UN workers.

            • GregJ

              You haven’t dug deeply enough – all UN staff salaries are subject to a Staff Assesment that is deducted from their gross salary – info here and here. It can be anywhere from 25-40% of the salary.

              The raison d’être behind the Staff Assessment is explained fully here but to quote directly from the document:

              “… noted that the GA, in establishing staff assessment, had recognized two purposes: one, conceptual, i.e., given the principle that UN salaries should not be subject to national income taxation, UN staff should not be seen as a privileged group exempt from any form of income tax; and the other, practical, i.e., given the fact that some Member States nevertheless continued to impose national income tax on the UN earnings of their nationals, to provide a source from which the amounts paid by those staff members in taxes could be reimbursed to them, so as to ensure equality of treatment as between staff members, regardless of their nationality, while not imposing any additional financial burden on those Member States which did not reap returns on their contribution to the budget in the form of income taxes.”

        • felix

          “I think that is why…”

          That’s not what “think” means.

    • idlegus 10.2

      what charity is that then?

    • Transient Viper 10.3

      I don’t have a citation – but that’s the perception. I’m not even sure it’s true (about John Key), and I’m sure the amounts Shearer was getting is just hearsay – but I’m sure that the chance of getting Shearer’s bank statements is as likely as John Key giving his charity receipts.

      • felix 10.3.1

        He doesn’t have any.

        I’ve been asking people on this blog and others for five years to provide a quote, a reference or a citation from John Key (or anyone else who would have reason to know) to indicate that he donates his salary to charity.

        In five years no-one has come up with a damn thing.

        Doesn’t happen.

    • karol 10.4

      Shearer declared the UN money to NZ IRD. I think that means, even though he pays no tax to the US on it, it still gets included in his total income and tax band in NZ.

  11. big bruv 11

    But I suppose this is OK?

    “NZ Nurses Organisation loses $1.1M but Union staff get paid nearly $900,000.00 more – Observation by the Owl

    The NZ Nurses Organisation have just posted a $1,108,073.00 LOSS – yes $1.1M, I repeat $1.1M loss.

    Yes the NZ Nurses Organisation has lost $1M plus but its all OK – Union staff wages went up from $9,242,906.00 to $10,134,451.00.

    An increase of $891,545.00”

    • One Tāne Huna 11.1

      Citations needed, trash. You think your word is good enough?

      • Draco T Bastard 11.1.1

        Google only reports WhaleOil, ergo, not credible.

          • big bruv

            Goodness me. It is indeed all there.

            Typical union low life feathering their own nest at the expense of the workers.

            • One Tāne Huna

              More like typical wingnut trash making false and malicious allegations if you ask me. Still, Capill, Garrett and Banks have set the benchmark so what can you expect?

          • BM

            From what I’ve just read the nurses union has 60 staff and has a wage bill of over 9 million dollars.
            There’s some really shonky shit going on here.

            • Descendant Of Sssmith

              So if the 19 staff listed in the report were at the maximum of the range declared over 100,000 the wage bill for those staff would come to 2.080 million.

              That would leave 6.920 million divided by 41staff which would equal over $168,000 each which funnily enough means they would be listed in the numbers receiving more than $100,000.

              Methinks common sense would say they have employed much more than 60 staff during the year.

            • Descendant Of Sssmith

              You realise reading is not the same thing as comprehending don’t you.

              • BM

                A 9 million dollar wage bill is completely ridiculous.
                The year before it was 8.5 million, what excuses have you got for that?
                Utterly disgraceful.

                • Descendant Of Sssmith

                  Even if no additional staff were employed, and I think it’s likely they were given the Earthquakes, that’s a 5% increase.

                  If only you were so vigilant questioning much larger increases in the private sector when companies made massive losses but CEO’s got large pay increases and bonuses.

                  It’s another reason I think business should be taxed at gross. You dumb asses think it’s about taxable profit while the executives of those companies rip shareholders off all over the place.

                  If shareholders focussed much more on actual expenses within businesses they would be a darn sight better off.

          • Descendant Of Sssmith

            Doesn’t seem particularly rank.

            Association is solvent with good asset base
            The nurses association was celebrating it’s centenary
            The association rightly would have incurred more cost supporting staff affected by Chch earthquakes – most organisations with significant numbers of staff affected have incurred additional costs. Unions in particular needed to support their own union staff in chch as well as members
            They hosted the South Pacific Nurses forum which would be a one off cost for the year

            It does seem quite a jump of staff into 100,000 bracket but without knowing why – they might have all been previously sitting on or around $99,000 and normal pay increases may have just jumped them over – I wouldn’t be drawing too many conclusions.

            I certainly don’t see anyone being paid 3.2 million dollars per annum.

      • felix 11.1.2

        It’s a whaleoil story: http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/03/nurses-union-loses-1-1m-but-union-staff-get-paid-900000-00-more/

        And the reason bruv didn’t link to it is because it also contains no citations, quotes or references and was written by Cameron’s top investigative reporter Brian Toldme.

        Hilarity in the comments though:

        my wife hates being part of the union, but not being in it means a very hard road which noone can be bothered with and you actually end up with many times less than the union tax so its not even a smart move. Very annoying.

        Yeah bloody unions, making your job easier and saving you money.

        • Descendant Of Sssmith

          Should be likely “I hate my wife belonging to the union cause I’m a patriarchal RWNJ. I’d like to believe she does under protest but in reality she’s much smarter than me, puts up with my mouthing off about unions and has learned to nod and say yes dear in all the right places when I utter forth my hate speech against those communist bastards.”

    • BM 11.2

      Typical rich pricks screwing over the worker.

  12. RedBaronCV 12

    Actually Labour are not being that inconsistent about kiwisaver. When they set it up originally the employer share was to be over and above the wages paid to employees and was to try to move the wage & salary share of the National income from around 45% up towards the 55% that is the equivalent Aussie figure. The employer share was deductible from entity profits but not taxed as part of an individual’s income. It had controls so shareholder employers couldn’t game the system but it did result in a lot of shareholder employees going onto their own PAYE payroll.

    Nact slayed all that by effectively allowing employers to take the employer share off someone’s wages and then the final insult was taxing it as employee income before it goes to the kiwisaver fund. Bill English made a lot of tax out of that little scam.
    It also means that unless people have a particularly good employment contract then the whole extra 2% comes off an employee’s gross wages.

    So under Labour someone with a gross wage of $100 put $2 into kiwisaver and then got another $2 from the employer so $102 in total and and a gross after KS of $98.

    Under Nact both of the $2 come out of the gross so the $100 is now $96 and from today will be $94. Calling anything an employer contribution is largely nonsense but Bill is loving this.
    Wage and salary earners are now funding KS schemes that keep his mates in high paying jobs and that will bear the risk of meltdown or Mighty River shares falling.

    Okay that’s a bit long winded.

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    The Maternal Birth Injury and Other Matters Bill passes Third Reading – the first amendment to ACC legislation of its kind From 1 October 2022, new ACC cover to benefit approximately 28,000 birthing parents Additional maternal birth injuries added alongside new review provision to ensure cover remains comprehensive Greater clarity ...
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    10 hours ago
  • Further cuts for East Coast tarakihi limits to rebuild numbers faster
    Commercial catch limits for East Coast tarakihi will be reduced further to help the stock rebuild faster. “Tarakihi is a popular fish, and this has led to declining levels over time. Many adjustments have been made and the stock is recovering. I have decided on further commercial catch reductions of ...
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    11 hours ago
  • New Ambassador to Colombia announced
    Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta today announced the appointment of diplomat Nicci Stilwell as the next Ambassador to Colombia. “Aotearoa New Zealand’s relationship with Colombia is fast growing with strong links across education, climate change and indigenous co-operation,” Nanaia Mahuta said.  “Trade is a key part of our relationship with Colombia, ...
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    11 hours ago
  • 3000 more RSE workers to ease workforce pressures
    The Government continues to respond to global workforce shortages by announcing the largest increase in over a decade to the Recognised Seasonal Employer Scheme (RSE), providing 3000 additional places, Immigration Minister Michael Wood and Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor have announced. The new RSE cap will allow access to 19,000 workers ...
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    12 hours ago
  • Sanctions on more of the Russian political elite
    Further sanctions are being imposed on members of President Putin’s inner circle and other representatives of the Russian political elite, as part of the Governments ongoing response to the war in Ukraine, says Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta. “Ukraine has been clear that the most important action we can take to ...
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    12 hours ago
  • New Principal Youth Court Judge appointed
    Judge Ida Malosi, District Court Judge of Wellington, has been appointed as the new Principal Youth Court Judge, Attorney-General David Parker announced today. Born and raised in Southland, Judge Malosi graduated from Victoria University of Wellington and spent her legal career in South Auckland.  She was a founding partner of ...
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    13 hours ago
  • Visitor arrivals highest since pandemic began
    Overseas visitor arrivals exceeded 100,000 in July, for the first time since the borders closed in March 2020 Strong ski season lifts arrivals to Queenstown to at least 90% of the same period in 2019 Australia holiday recovery has continued to trend upwards New Zealand’s tourism recovery is on its ...
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    14 hours ago
  • Language provides hope for Tuvalu
    Climate change continues to present a major risk for the island nation of Tuvalu, which means sustaining te gana Tuvalu, both on home soil and in New Zealand Aotearoa, has never been more important, Minister for Pacific Peoples Aupito William Sio said. The Tuvalu Auckland Community Trust and wider Tuvalu ...
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    3 days ago
  • Minister Sio to attend Asian Development Bank meeting in Manila
    Associate Foreign Affairs Minister Aupito William Sio travels to the Philippines this weekend to represent Aotearoa New Zealand at the 55th Annual Meeting of the Asian Development Bank (ADB) Board of Governors in Manila. “The ADB Annual Meeting provides an opportunity to engage with other ADB member countries, including those ...
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    3 days ago
  • United Nations General Assembly National Statement
    E ngā Mana, e ngā Reo, Rau Rangatira mā kua huihui mai nei i tēnei Whare Nui o te Ao Ngā mihi maioha ki a koutou katoa, mai i tōku Whenua o Aotearoa Tuia ki runga, Tuia ki raro, ka Rongo to pō ka rongo te ao Nō reira, tēnā ...
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    4 days ago
  • New strategy unifies all-of-Government approach to help Pacific languages thrive
    A united approach across all-of-Government underpins the new Pacific Language Strategy, announced by the Minister for Pacific Peoples Aupito William Sio at Parliament today. “The cornerstone of our Pacific cultures, identities and place in Aotearoa, New Zealand are our Pacific languages. They are at the heart of our wellbeing,” Aupito ...
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    4 days ago
  • Upgrades for sporting facilities ahead of FIFA Women’s World Cup
    Communities across the country will benefit from newly upgraded sporting facilities as a result of New Zealand co-hosting the FIFA Women’s World Cup 2023. The Government is investing around $19 million to support upgrades at 30 of the 32 potential sporting facilities earmarked for the tournament, including pitch, lighting and ...
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    5 days ago
  • Partnership supports climate action in Latin America and Caribbean
    Aotearoa New Zealand is extending the reach of its support for climate action to a new agriculture initiative with partners in Latin America and the Caribbean. Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta and Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor announced a NZ$10 million contribution to build resilience, enhance food security and address the ...
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    5 days ago
  • Landmark agreement for Māori fisheries celebrates 30th year
    The 30th anniversary of the Fisheries Deed of Settlement is a time to celebrate a truly historic partnership that has helped transform communities, says Parliamentary Under-Secretary to the Minister for Oceans and Fisheries Rino Tirikatene. “The agreement between the Crown and Māori righted past wrongs, delivered on the Crown’s treaty ...
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    5 days ago
  • Government backs initiatives to cut environmental impact of plastic waste
    The Government has today announced funding for projects that will cut plastic waste and reduce its impact on the environment. “Today I am announcing the first four investments to be made from the $50 million Plastics Innovation Fund, which was set last year and implemented a 2020 election promise,” Environment ...
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    5 days ago
  • Call for expressions of interest in appointment to the High Court Bench
    Attorney-General David Parker today called for nominations and expressions of interest in appointment to the High Court Bench.  This is a process conducted at least every three years and ensures the Attorney-General has up to date information from which to make High Court appointments.  “It is important that when appointments ...
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    5 days ago
  • Depositor compensation scheme protects Kiwis’ money
    New Zealanders will have up to $100,000 of their deposits in any eligible institution guaranteed in the event that institution fails, under legislation introduced in Parliament today. The Deposit Takers Bill is the third piece of legislation in a comprehensive review of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand Act and ...
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    6 days ago
  • New fund to help more Pacific aiga into their own homes
    The Government has launched a new housing fund that will help more Pacific aiga achieve the dream of home ownership. “The Pacific Building Affordable Homes Fund will help organisations, private developers, Māori/iwi, and NGOs build affordable housing for Pacific families and establish better pathways to home ownership within Pacific communities. ...
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    6 days ago
  • More than 100,000 new Kiwis as halfway point reached
    Over 100,000 new Kiwis can now call New Zealand ‘home’ after the 2021 Resident Visa reached the halfway point of approvals, Minister of Immigration Michael Wood announced today. “This is another important milestone, highlighting the positive impact our responsive and streamlined immigration system is having by providing comfort to migrant ...
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    6 days ago
  • Maniapoto Claims Settlement Bill passes third reading – He mea pāhi te Maniapoto Claims Settl...
    Nā te Minita mō ngā Take Tiriti o Waitangi, nā Andrew Little,  te iwi o Maniapoto i rāhiri i tēnei rā ki te mātakitaki i te pānuitanga tuatoru o te Maniapoto Claims Settlement Bill - te pikinga whakamutunga o tā rātou whakataunga Tiriti o Waitangi o mua. "Me mihi ka ...
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    6 days ago
  • 50,000 more kids to benefit from equity-based programmes next year
    Another 47,000 students will be able to access additional support through the school donations scheme, and a further 3,000 kids will be able to get free and healthy school lunches as a result of the Equity Index.  That’s on top of nearly 90% of schools that will also see a ...
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    6 days ago
  • Healthy Active Learning now in 40 percent of schools across New Zealand
    A total of 800 schools and kura nationwide are now benefitting from a physical activity and nutrition initiative aimed at improving the wellbeing of children and young people. Healthy Active Learning was funded for the first time in the inaugural Wellbeing Budget and was launched in 2020. It gets regional ...
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    6 days ago
  • Speech at 10th meeting of the Friends of the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test Ban Treaty
    Kia Ora. It is a pleasure to join you here today at this 10th meeting of the Friends of the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test Ban Treaty. This gathering provides an important opportunity to reiterate our unwavering commitment to achieving a world without nuclear weapons, for which the entry into force of this ...
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    6 days ago
  • Speech for Earthshot Prize Innovation Summit 2022
    Kia ora koutou katoa Thank you for the invitation to join you. It’s a real pleasure to be here, and to be in such fine company.  I want to begin today by acknowledging His Royal Highness The Prince of Wales and Sir David Attenborough in creating what is becoming akin ...
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    6 days ago
  • New accreditation builds capacity for Emergency Management Volunteers
    Emergency Management Minister Kieran McAnulty has recognised the first team to complete a newly launched National Accreditation Process for New Zealand Response Team (NZ-RT) volunteers. “NZ-RT volunteers play a crucial role in our emergency response system, supporting response and recovery efforts on the ground. This new accreditation makes sure our ...
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    6 days ago
  • Govt strengthens trans-Tasman emergency management cooperation
    Aotearoa New Zealand continues to strengthen global emergency management capability with a new agreement between New Zealand and Australia, says Minister for Emergency Management Kieran McAnulty. “The Government is committed to improving our global and national emergency management system, and the Memorandum of Cooperation signed is another positive step towards ...
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    7 days ago
  • Christchurch Call Initiative on Algorithmic Outcomes
    Today New Zealand, the USA, Twitter, and Microsoft, announced investment in a technology innovation initiative under the banner of the Christchurch Call.  This initiative will support the creation of new technology to understand the impacts of algorithms on people’s online experiences.  Artificial Intelligence (AI) algorithms play a growing role in ...
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    7 days ago
  • JOINT PR: Trans-Tasman Cooperation on disaster management
    Hon Kieran McAnulty, New Zealand Minister for Emergency Management Senator The Hon Murray Watt, Federal Minister for Emergency Management Strengthening Trans-Tasman cooperation on disaster management issues was a key area of focus when Australia and New Zealand’s disaster management ministers met this week on the sidelines of the Asia-Pacific Ministerial Conference on ...
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    7 days ago
  • More transparency, less red-tape for modernised charities sector
    The Charities Amendment Bill has been introduced today which will modernise the charities sector by increasing transparency, improving access to justice services and reducing the red-tape that smaller charities face, Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector Priyanca Radhakrishnan said. “These changes will make a meaningful difference to over 28,000 ...
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    7 days ago
  • Pacific visas reopened to help boost workforce
    Work continues on delivering on a responsive and streamlined immigration system to help relieve workforce shortages, with the reopening of longstanding visa categories, Immigration Minister Michael Wood has announced.  From 3 October 2022, registrations for the Samoan Quota will reopen, and from 5 October registrations for the Pacific Access Category ...
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    7 days ago
  • Queen Elizabeth II Memorial Day Bill passes into law
    The Bill establishing Queen Elizabeth II Memorial Day has passed its third reading. “As Queen of Aotearoa New Zealand, Her Majesty was loved for her grace, calmness, dedication, and public service. Her affection for New Zealand and its people was clear, and it was a fondness that was shared,” Michael ...
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    1 week ago
  • New investor migrant visa opens
    The new Active Investor Plus visa category created to attract high-value investors, has officially opened marking a key milestone in the Government’s Immigration Rebalance strategy, Economic Development Minister Stuart Nash and Immigration Minister Michael Wood have announced. “The new Active Investor Plus visa replaces the previous investor visa categories, which ...
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    1 week ago
  • New wharekura continues commitment to Māori education
    A new Year 1-13 designated character wharekura will be established in Feilding, Associate Minister of Education Kelvin Davis announced today. To be known as Te Kura o Kauwhata, the wharekura will cater for the expected growth in Feilding for years to come. “The Government has a goal of strengthening Māori ...
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    1 week ago
  • National minute of silence for Queen Elizabeth II
    A national minute of silence will be observed at the start of New Zealand’s State Memorial Service for Queen Elizabeth II, at 2pm on Monday 26 September. The one-hour service will be held at the Wellington Cathedral of St Paul, during a one-off public holiday to mark the Queen’s death. ...
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    1 week ago
  • Speech to the Climate Change and Business Conference
    Tēnā koutou i tēnei ata. Good morning. Recently I had cause to say to my friends in the media that I consider that my job is only half done. So I’m going to take the opportunity of this year’s Climate and Business Conference to offer you a mid-point review. A ...
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    1 week ago
  • Government enhances protection for our most-productive land  
    Enhanced protection for Aotearoa New Zealand’s most productive land   Councils required to identify, map, and manage highly productive land  Helping ensure Kiwis’ access to leafy greens and other healthy foods Subdivision for housing on highly-productive land could still be possible in limited circumstances  The Government has today released a National ...
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    1 week ago
  • Kieran McAnulty to attend Asia-Pacific Ministerial Conference on Disaster Risk Reduction
    Minister for Emergency Management Kieran McAnulty will travel to Brisbane this week to represent Aotearoa New Zealand at the 2022 Asia-Pacific Ministerial Conference on Disaster Risk Reduction. “This conference is one of the most important meetings in the Asia-Pacific region to progress disaster risk reduction efforts and increase cooperation between ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Trade and Agriculture Minister to travel to India and Indonesia
    Minister of Trade and Export Growth and Minister of Agriculture Damien O’Connor will travel tomorrow to India and Indonesia for trade and agricultural meetings to further accelerate the Government’s growing trade agenda.  “Exploring ways we can connect globally and build on our trading relationships is a priority for the Government, ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Poroporoaki: Cletus Maanu Paul (ONZM)
    E te rangatira Maanu, takoto mai ra, i tō marae i Wairaka, te marae o te wahine nāna I inoi kia Whakatānea ia kia tae ae ia ki te hopu i te waka Mātaatua kia kore ai i riro i te moana. Ko koe anō tēnā he pukumahi koe mō ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Pacific Wellbeing Strategy sets clear path to improve outcomes for Pacific Aotearoa
    Strengthening partnerships with Pacific communities is at the heart of the Government’s new Pacific Wellbeing Strategy, Minister for Pacific Peoples Aupito William Sio announced today. “Working alongside communities to ensure more of our aiga and families have access to the staples of life like, housing, education, training and job opportunities ...
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    2 weeks ago