Gordon Campbell on the ethics of taping politicians

Written By: - Date published: 2:07 pm, August 7th, 2008 - 48 comments
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You’d be hard pressed to have missed the story on what some National MPs have been caught saying behind closed doors.

We’ve seen discussions over the content, questions on the law. Now Gordon Campbell asks:

…is it more unethical for a delegate to tape someone speaking candidly or a for a political party to dedicate its campaign efforts to not being candid, and thereby assisting the public to deceive itself?

Frankly, if a lone activist with a $200 dictaphone can defeat the massed phalanxes of p.r. bullshit, and thereby give the public a clearer idea of what the next government may actually do when elected, then surely that’s all to the good – isn’t it?…

So far, the public has been the winner. In the wake of the taping, National’s response this week has actually been quite informative. We now know more about what it plans to do about Kiwibank, Working for Families and Kiwisaver than we did before the tapes were leaked. This has been a big advance towards an informed electorate, in that the tapes and their aftermath have told us far more than the National Party’s skeletal policy releases.

48 comments on “Gordon Campbell on the ethics of taping politicians”

  1. Labour scum 1

    Yep, record everything. Surveilence cameras on every street corner. Shut down free thought. Unify ideas in favour of the party line. Limit freedom of speech – exactly what Herr Leader wanted with the EFA. No policy development allowed. No discussion of ideas. And definately no resistence! Herr Leader will tell us what to think, what to eat, what to do, when to work, when to rest and how much she’ll take from our salaries. Hail, Great Leader! Join the Labour party and help destroy democracy!

    [lprent: More performance art? It must be catching. Oh well if it spreads and becomes more trolling then I’ll cauterize the infraction. Otherwise enjoy this rare example of moronic ranting.]

  2. r0b 2

    I rate it a solid 7 / 10 for spittle content but only a lowly 4 / 10 for originality, for a total of just 11. Distinctly average. Could try harder.

  3. Patrick 3

    Nice troll!

    Oh, by the way LS, when was the last time a National party spokesperson was allowed to be involved with the development of the policy for their portfolio?

    hehe, Captcha: securely NAME

  4. Rob 4

    Great question in the House today by Brownlee to Dyson about her telling some people at a gathering where she was taking Social Development Policy!!

    To include triples he asked her to expand on what she meant by this she said no very stony faced. Oh dear I dont believe this was meant to come out before the Election Heather would have been planning this for a while but it was meant to be hidden away until later. Isnt it amazing that if you have certain sexual leaning you will do everything to pass those laws through for your mates who are of the same Ilk. I have one question what thought is given to the Children in these screwed up relationships not much!!

    I wonder if she will also pass a law for Mormons to have multiple wives dont think so because there not same sex relationships. Its sure one screwed up little country we have now with no moral boundaries isnt it

    [lprent: Perhaps the moronic ranting is catching? I have absolutely no idea about what you are referring to. Perhaps you missed putting in Brownlee’s question accidentally? Your comment might* make more sense then.
    * it is Brownlee – do I need to say more.]

  5. Quoth the Raven 5

    You have one National troll complaining about a lack of freedom and then you have another National troll complaining about new freedoms. Funny that.

  6. Matthew Pilott 6

    I think Rob is gutted that ‘triples’ (or ‘threesomes’ in the real world), aren’t illegal. If they were illegal he’d have no reason to feel such rejection, it would be criminal.

    I think the most screwed up fact about this country is that people can go through school without the faintest idea what an apostrophe is (if the person I have in mind has in fact made it through any form of education at all. One would suspect not).

    Love it how one tool complains about a lack of freedom (Labour scum, if you’re suppressed then what the hell are you doing posting here? Shouldn’t the Stazi be smashing your knee caps, or are you just more stupid than you look? I’ll have a bash at them if it would make you feel your pathetic wee cry has some substance.) while tool no.2 complains about the awful freedoms we have (in this case, it seems to be to complain that we’re allowed 3 to a bed. Don’t worry Rob, you’re still free to keep it lights out and missionary). What a cute pair.

  7. Daveski 7

    Meanwhile, back on topic …

    Campbell is welcome to his viewpoint but it’s just another case of the means justifying the ends in his opinion.

    I’ve posted before that this is dangerous territory because all it will do is encourage a revenge attack. Who knows … is it “revenge” for the Williams incident?? Whatever, it is only going to get ugly and the attitudes here will no doubt change.

    For the nth time, no one has been caught out lying. What has happened is that the links have highlighted a lack of smarts about the Nats, and embryonic plans for term two and beyond.

    Perhaps once National releases the rest of the policy this issue will die down. I don’t think so as the real strategy from the left is to create doubt about the future rather than focus on actual policy.

    The irony of course is that Labour hasn’t felt the need to encapsulate all its plans in pre-election policies – in any case, that would be non-sensical and completely impractical. But it hasn’t stopped Labour from creating the view that that’s how they have operated.

  8. fiona 8

    Are you too hip to be a Young Nat? If so, you may be the person who taped Nick Smith at the National Party cocktail party !!!!

  9. Greg 9

    I’m at odds with everyone on this subject. Labour want to portray to the electorate thast National has some sort of secret agenda this election. Hence why so much press has been put on these tapes. But the fact is they don’t, in essence National and Labour are very similar, they only significantly differ on one or two policy areas. They baubles of office will ensure that John Key and National will stay boringly centerist. I wish National had a secret agenda! It might do some good for the country, instead of sticking to the status quo.

    The other thing that has to be understood by the tapes is that they are not suprising. Its good that MPs are not creatures of the party, they are their own people and have their own opinions. I assure you there are very right wing National MPS just as there are very centerist National MPs. There is a common saying that MPs believe 80% of their party’s policy and simply put up with the other 20%. This applies to Labour and all the other parties also!

  10. Rob 10

    Mathew

    I wont keep you long you can get out of your leather bondage suit later and entertain your two boyfriends.

    I never said it was illegal did I !! but what I did note was how reticent Ruth Dyson was to talk about it very much like she had been sprung looked very awkward indeed. No doubt Labour & Heather Simpson don’t want this Policy rewrite to come out prior to the Election.

    It really isn’t Blue collar worker policy, However does show the pull that Rainbow Labour has in this party much to the traditional Labour Party voters disgust!! Just as John Tamihere said

  11. Anita 11

    Rob,

    Dyson’s speech was in a public forum, her speech notes were made public, and she permitted them to be tabled in Parliament today.

    What on earth makes you think she’s “been sprung”?

  12. randal 12

    all nats are paranoid!!!

  13. CMR 13

    “All nats are paranoid!!!” (sic) per randal.

    Does it follow therefore that all paranoiacs are Nats?

    I know the answer, no! This thread reveals sexual insecurities held by certain regular contributors that can be seen as paranoid and those persons are not Nats. Nuts,yes!

    This is yet another excuse for a pointless debate.

  14. Paul 14

    This just in, the hunt continues, but more pics have come to light.

    http://concernedoflinwood.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/the-hunt-continues/

  15. Quoth the Raven 15

    You realise Rob that for tens of thousands of years humans progressed without this relatively new concept of the nuclear family. I’m no hypocrite Rob if someone wants to have more than one wife or husband be they morman or not they should be allowed.

  16. Fishy 16

    Id be hard pressed to of missed the real story, one Clntn Smth said to be author ofthe Stasndard was quoted in my morning newspaper

    Does this fella Clntn Smth post here regulary. what name does he use then

  17. Fishy 17

    Do anyone know what any Labour party policys are
    They just rant on about what some fool snuk into a cocktail party and seceretly taped

    [come on fishy, you can do better than that. SP]

  18. fishy. That would be me. I’m not the person who did the recordings, and if I had tried to go in I would have been recognised in a second, my face is in two vids on this blog and I’m seen at various political events around town. Hell, I saw Bill English on Tuesday, he would have been able to point me out then.

  19. Paul 19

    Turns out there isn’t any security footage of the party. But National reckon they’d spot the tall less than immaculately dressed person again.

    I’ve just got pics of the person, I don’t know why they think they’ll spot him again, the lamp disguise is pretty good.

    http://concernedoflinwood.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/the-hunt-continues-2/

  20. Rob 20

    Anita

    A public forum where at the Gender Benders club. If she was so confident about how it would be perceived why wouldn’t she talk about it in the house!! Put it on Labours website go to the Newspapers and speak about it. Oh no cant do that whats Helen Clarks famous quote might frighten the Horses.

    Anita its obvious that this sort of policy is social engineering and the majority of the public hate it. The Labour Blue Collar workers hate it. Its just as John Tamihere said Rainbow Labour have to much pull in this Labour Government.

    Hey but what about the kids in this what about their identity who do they belong to. The damage done to them is huge just because a few gays wants to have three in a relationship or four in a relationship or five in a relationship. Once you open the lid on a Sewer its really hard to stop the SH#T from flowing

  21. Pascal's bookie 21

    I’m with Rob! (in a completely heterosexual manner of course).

    Sex should only be legal in a marriage, for procreative purposes. Divorce should be nigh on impossible and shameful. Marriage should only be allowed bewteen two people of opposite sex, but the same race, class, and religion. We must do this to protect society.

    Anything else would be social engineering, and a KY slope to ten-in-a-bed man on box turtle antics. Which might be alright in videos for the menfolk to watch together, in a completely heterosexual way, but I think we can agree that the children that issue from such unions get a rough time of it.

    Which is probably good, as it serves as a discouragement.
    Sheets on, lights off. No exceptions.

  22. Lew 22

    Pascal’s Bookie: I see a growth industry: Marital Relations Compliance Accreditors. Someone’s got to make sure the duly constituted laws of the land are being enforced, what-what!

    L

  23. Pascal's bookie 23

    Indeed Lew,

    They could work under the Ministry for the Promotion of Virtue and Protection from Vice, overseen by the Minister of Not Social Engineering.

  24. Lew 24

    The Ministry of Antisocial Engineering? Perhaps Whale does have a calling after all!

    L

  25. Fishy 25

    David Farrar who blogs under his onw real name publicaly says Rob samond founds to Standard but the news paper says clinton Smith founded it

    Maybe Clinton smith is aka Rob salmond

    [Tane: Fishy, you’re not even a decent troll, and seem unable to read a newspaper. Rob Salmond has stated publicly he has nothing to do with The Standard. As with most things, Farrar got it completely wrong. Rob and Clinton are different people and live in different countries. Hmmmm… a brand new poster with three attack troll comments in a row – take a few weeks off and come back when you’re ready to contribute to the discussion.

    Just had a look through the backend, looks like you’ve been banned before under a different name. Bye Fishy.]

  26. Rob 26

    Pascal

    Nice try to make humour out of what is really a very sad thing. The growth industry will be in Social Workers trying to deal with yet more youth problems. Probably youth suicide Hey but it must be worth it to legalise the sexual urges of Ruth Dyson mates!!. Id rather money went into Herceptin thanks!!

  27. Pascal's bookie 27

    Rob, nice try at claiming the high ground, but what I was mocking was your bass ackward belief about what ‘social engineering’ means.

  28. Rob. Youth suicide skyrocketed in the 1990s as youth unemployment touched 30%, it’s dropped massively under the full employment policies of the left. http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=1413

    that you would accuse the left of causing suicide, especially when it was the neoliberal policis of the right that caused youth suicide to increase is disgusting and ignorant.

    fuck you’re lucky Irishbill is overseas at the moment, he knows too much about how National’s policies led to young men killing themselves.

  29. Matthew Pilott 29

    Rob, I’m sorry my first comment hurt you, that’s why you had to make a juvenile crack about my sexuality. I’ve always suspected you were a borderline illiterate-but-angry 17 year old bigot, I guess that would be proof.

    In truth, I had no idea what you were on about but thought you were up to your usual antics of spouting entirely inaccurate and thoroughly inarticulate drivel, and the best course of action is to mock you (being below contempt).

    I see others have picked it up, PB and Lew, well done, what!

  30. Hissy 30

    Lol you think i have all day to sit around on my ass rading newspapers
    i have to work real good to earn a crust and help defeat nzLP at the elction

    but since you have lotsa time to post here in working hours answer me the main question that DF put,

    total refuting all claims made by farrar and slater
    Im sure you can link all them

  31. Matthew Pilott 31

    *arrow pointing above*

    What the hell is that?

  32. bill brown 32

    What the hell is that?

    Oh, that’s Hissy, he’s a

    borderline illiterate-but-angry 17 year old bigot

  33. Tane 33

    I think Hissy is Fishy. Always uses a different IP address, but his stupidity and knack of being about two months behind the news cycle gives him away every time.

  34. Matthew Pilott 34

    Thanks bill. I hope that phrase catches, I quite like it. nothing like a hangover to put a bit of venom in a comment.

    I just get sick of comments that are genuinely indecipherable. Abuse the Queen’s English, mutter mutter…

  35. Rob 35

    Mathew

    Not everyone that disagrees with you and your Government and its Social Engineering agenda is a Bigot. As mentioned why hasn’t Ruth discussed her policy with the Nation of having three parents/ partners or four parents/ partners written in Law. Yup you got it because she and Heather and Helen know that most people will go OHH YUCK!! what a depraved lot!! when will it ever end. Could be bad for the votes lets just keep it quiet and do it when we get back in if we do. After all we never told the voters we would fund sex change operations did we. Hey but we wont do Herceptin Ohh perhaps we will now because National has said it will. Lets see Ruth proudly put this up on the Party Website for all to see. Go out to the Newspapers and show them her great new policy, Hey wait a minute isn’t there a lot being said about Child Poverty in New Zealand at the moment. Oh Ruth don’t worry about that got to get laws through for your mates first!!

  36. r0b 36

    Not everyone that disagrees with you and your Government and its Social Engineering agenda is a Bigot.

    Not everyone no, but you certainly sound like one. Hey, have a read of this, knock yourself out:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/may/18/iceland

  37. Matthew Pilott 37

    Bigot, you’re a bigot because you made homophobic comments, presumably because I’m left wing and you have this idea that everyone from the left must be gay.

    Most people would think “hell yeah I could do with a couple of wives/husbands” – only bigoted 17 year-old reactionaries would actually think OH YUCK! How is the 18th century going for you anyway?

    And I still have no idea what you’re on about because you’re still incoherent. Can you type less, but with a bit more effort? Where’s this ‘policy’ then, give me a link.

    Hey but we wont do Herceptin Ohh perhaps we will now because National has said it will

    I bloody hope not. Just because National want to interfere with the functioning of an independant impartial body and manipulate health funding in a sop to some peoples’ emotions (and to look good to complete idiots like you) I would hope that labour keeps right out of it – screw whether it would get them votes, stick to being honest and principled, unlike National. Trust you to be one of those fools to be sucked in, you mindless bigot.

    Maybe in six years, when you are at the heady age of 23, you might learn to think for yourself.

  38. Rob 38

    Mathew
    Have a great weekend enjoy [no derogatory remarks about sexuality. SP]

  39. RedLogix 39

    Rob,

    Well the first time I met Matthew at a social function about six weeks ago, he appeared to be in the company of a very attractive yooung lass.

    Stop making a fool of yourself.

  40. So let me guess this right then, you guys are all for secretly taping a private conversation at a National party convention, but boy oh boy if the police tries to secretly record a criminal’s phone call or if governments keep a watch on terrorists, your out there PROTESTING screaming “SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME”

    If Labour had planned any of this, and Aunty Helen knew about it, she should be in jail.

  41. RedLogix 41

    Brett,

    So let me guess this right then, you guys are all for secretly taping a private conversation at a National party convention,

    The recording was made by some person currently unknown.

    The statements on them were the responsibility of English and Smith.

    The publicising of them was done by news media.

    You have no linkage to “us guys’ whatsoever.

    The conversations were NOT private, they were being held in an uncontrolled environment with multiple persons present. Moreover it is NOT illegal to record a conversation to which you are a party.

    The only possible ethical objection is that the conversation was recorded without the consent of all present. On the other hand as you rightly point out, various agencies routinely do this kind of thing. The police and media often do, as can private citizens if they believe their interests are best served in doing so. It is good manners to ask for consent to record, but it is neither legally necessary, nor an absolute principle.

    For instance the TV program Target routinely films tradespeople without their consent; justifying this intrusion with the reasonable argument that the public interest is served by it.

    We are frequently recorded in both public and private locations, by all manner of agencies, employers and operators without our consent. Indeed one of the ironies here is that the person who made these recordings may well be identified because he in turn was being recorded without his consent.

    And I cannot help but recall that when taped conversations of Tamihere and Williams, obtained without their explicit consent surfaced in the media, I struggle to recall any outrage from the right about using that material to embarrass them.

  42. So if someone from the Labour party has a private conversation taped and then that tape is released by the media, you wouldnt have a problem with that? heck if only I had a tape deck when Marion Hobbs taught at my old school in the mid 80’s, she never would of got into government a decade later.

  43. RedLogix 43

    Brett,

    1. It was NOT a private conversation. By definition it cannot have been because neither English nor Smith can remember WHO they were talking to.

    2. There were multiple people present, anyone of whom could have heard.

    3. The environment was uncontrolled, otherwise the Nats would merely have to go back through their invite list to identify the person concerned. It was not a closed meeting.

    4. A trespass does not occur until AFTER someone is asked to leave a premise.

    So loose the ‘taping of a private conversation’ line. It was not private.

    Would I have a problem with a Labour person being recorded without their consent? Probably not. Mike Williams and John Tamihere were both crucified over recordings made without their consent, but I’m don’t recall the left resorting to this line as their primary defense.

    I do concede that it is good manners to ask if you are going to tape a conversation; but that then begs the question of why anyone, especially a politician who on the face of it should always be pleased for the attention and publicity, would object to being recorded.

  44. It was sleazy and underhanded not telling him that he was being tape, but I come to expect that from the left.

  45. RedLogix 45

    It was sleazy and underhand for National to be telling the electorate one thing, while believing in another, but I’ve come to expect that from the right.

    (And if you don’t like my reasoning, don’t grizzle to me.)

  46. coge 46

    Lies, intrusion, deception. These are not principles. Most kiwis have an innate understanding of this.

    Who stood to benefit? Who repeated “extracts” in the house?

  47. Anita 47

    coge,

    Who stood to benefit? Who repeated “extracts’ in the house?

    What’s with the scare quotes? What are they meant to be telling us?

  48. r0b 48

    Lies, intrusion, deception. These are not principles. Most kiwis have an innate understanding of this.

    I quite agree. The National Party should stop lying to the electorate.

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    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    5 days ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    5 days ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    5 days ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    5 days ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    5 days ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    5 days ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    6 days ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
    Hi there, just call me Tim.We face tough problems, and I’d like to help, because there are solutions.An Auckand District Health Board member has nominated me for as a candidate for the ADHB, because her MS-related pain and fatigue is reduced with hemp products from Rotorua.  Nothing else helped her. If I ...
    6 days ago
  • Good little vassals
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
    6 days ago
  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    6 days ago
  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
    1 week ago
  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Labour’s failure
    When National was in government and fucking over the poor for the benefit of the rich, foodbanks were a growth industry. And now Labour is in charge, nothing has changed: A huge demand for emergency food parcels means the Auckland City Mission is struggling to prepare for the impending arrival ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    1 week ago
  • Democracy – I Don’t Think So
    So, those who “know best” have again done their worst. While constantly claiming to be the guardians of democracy and the constitution, and respecters of the 2016 referendum result, diehard Remainers (who have never brought themselves to believe that their advice could have been rejected) have striven might and main ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • Government says it will now build just one really nice home
    Following publication of this article, the Ministry has requested it to be noted that this supplied image is not necessarily representative of what the final house will look like, and it “probably won’t be that nice.” As part of today’s long-anticipated reset of the Government’s flagship KiwiBuild policy, Housing Minister ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Imperialism and your cup of coffee
    Over the next week or two we will be running three synopses of parts of the opening chapter of John Smith’s Imperialism in the 21st Century (New York, Monthly Review Press, 2016).  The synopsis and commentary below is written by Phil Duncan. Marx began Capital not with a sweeping historical ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Still juking the stats
    The State Services Commission and Ombudsman have released another batch of OIA statistics, covering the last six months. Request volumes are up, and the core public service is generally handling them within the legal timeframe, though this may be because they've learned to extend rather than just ignore things. And ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Hard News: Time for a New Deal: 25 years on
    In 1994, I was editing an ambitious street mag called Planet, from a fabled office at at 309 Karangahape Road. The thirteenth issue of the magazine was published in the winter of that year and its cover embodied a particularly ambitious goal: the end of cannabis prohibition.I wanted to do ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Not impressed
    KiwiBuild was one of the Ardern government's core policies. The government would end the housing crisis and make housing affordable again by building 100,000 new homes. Of course, it didn't work out like that: targets weren't met, the houses they did build were in the wrong place, and the whole ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Solar beats coal
    As the climate crisis escalates, it is now obvious that we need to radically decarbonise our economy. The good news is that its looking easy and profitable for the energy sector. Wind is already cheaper than fossil fuels, and now solar is too:The levellised cost of solar PV has fallen ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • A Step Too Far.
    A Crown Asset? For reasons relating to its own political convenience, the Crown pretends to believe that “No one owns the water.” To say otherwise would re-vivify the promises contained in the Treaty of Waitangi – most particularly those pertaining to the power of the chiefs and their proprietary rights ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Where Money Comes From
    Most people would say, no doubt, that they have a pretty good idea of what money is. They live with the reality of money every day. It is what is needed to buy the necessities of life and to maintain a decent standard of living. You get money, they would ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Banned by the Green Party leadership: Jill Abigail on women’s rights and trans rights
    The article below was an opinion piece that appeared in the Spring 2019 issue of Te Awa (the NZ Green Party’s newsletter) and on the Greens website.  In keeping with their policy of hostility to women defending women’s right to female-only spaces, Green bureaucrats have since removed the opinion piece.  ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The fallacy of the proximity argument.
    Longer term readers may remember my complaining that, as a political scientist, it is burdensome to have non-political scientists wanting to engage me about politics. No layperson would think to approach an astrophysicist and lecture him/her on the finer details of quarks and black holes, but everybody with an opinion ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago
  • Where We Stood: Chris Trotter Replies To Stevan Eldred-Grigg.
    Joining The Fight: Stevan Eldred-Grigg's argument for New Zealand staying out of the Second World War fails not only on the hard-headed grounds of preserving the country’s strategic and economic interests; and not just on the soft-hearted grounds of duty and loyalty to the nation that had given New Zealand ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Universities back the climate strike
    On September 27, School Strike 4 Climate will be striking for a future to pressure the government for meaningful climate action. This time, they've asked adults to join them. And now, Lincoln University and Victoria University of Wellington have signed on:Victoria University of Wellington has joined Lincoln University in endorsing ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Another constitutional outrage
    Another day, another constitutional outrage in the UK. This time, the government is saying that if parliament passes a law to stop Brexit before being prorogued, they may just ignore it:A senior cabinet minister has suggested Boris Johnson could defy legislation to prevent a no-deal Brexit if it is forced ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ending dairy in Canterbury
    Environment Canterbury has finally proposed nitrogen limits to stop dairy farmers from poisoning Christchurch's water supply. And naturally, farmers are whining about it:A proposed move by Environment Canterbury (ECan) to protect Christchurch's drinking water by setting tough – some would say, draconian – nitrate reductions in the decades ahead and ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Is National the party of climate arson?
    The Zero Carbon Bill is currently before select committee. While its targets are weak, its a generally sensible bill that promises to establish a long-term framework to guide emissions reductions. But National hasn't made up its mind on whether it will support it - and according to Andrea Vance in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Experts warn Harold the Giraffe “well past” typical giraffe life expectancy, may not have long
    Dum-de-doo. Children across New Zealand have known him for generations as the lovable giraffe who tells them to exercise, hydrate and not to shove lit cigarettes up their nostrils. But a world renowned giraffe expert says we shouldn’t be getting attached to Life Education’s Harold the Giraffe, as he is ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • August ’19 – NZ blogs sitemeter ranking
    Image credit: 22 BLOGGERS WITH ADVICE FOR RESEARCHERS AND EVALUATORS, ILLUSTRATED I notice a few regulars no longer allow public access to the site counters. This may happen accidentally when the blog format is altered. If your ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Bye, bye to the collusion lie
    Sums it up, really. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Opinion: Treat your car by buying extra petrol to snack on while you aren’t driving
    By Mike Hosking. Yesterday morning, I waltzed into work, and as I walked past the drones aggressively typing out news on the computers I’ve repeatedly asked to be moved further away from, I caught a glimpse of the words “climate change”, and noticed that suspiciously they weren’t in condescending quotation ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago

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