Greens back emissions trading scheme

Written By: - Date published: 5:08 pm, August 26th, 2008 - 48 comments
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The Greens have decided to back the government’s emissions trading scheme saying in a press release that it’s a start but there’s more to do:

We reported on Thursday that we had achieved virtually nothing in two areas – agriculture, and protection of important biodiversity from pine plantings. We have now made some progress on both, though it is not all we would like.

Meanwhile National’s again trying to have it both ways by claiming that the ETS is a ‘rushed response’ to climate change that carries high economic risks (unlike borrowing to fund tax cuts).

So what’s *your* policy National?

Not telling, it’s a secret.

48 comments on “Greens back emissions trading scheme”

  1. vto 1

    when will this govt stop increasing the amount of money it TAKES from people?

    because as far as i can see it has been CONSTANTLY increasing ever since its fearful birth.

    I feel my blood starting to boil. Best leave. Later.

  2. higherstandard 2

    But VTO this will make such a massive difference to the global environment that surely people will be happy with the extra cost incurred ……. ah just a sec.

  3. Draco TB 3

    This is good. It is also good that they’ve made some grounds on getting some of the changes needed into the present version of the ETS. It’s not perfect but it is the most important aspect of what we do – it is a start.

  4. This is pathetic. Parliament is a shambles and a disgusting spectacle emitting more stinking fumes than a sewage treatment plant. The bullshit in the Beehive is fucking sickening!!! My blood is boiling Miss Klark !!!!~!!!!
    What a cot case nutbar country !!! What a bunch of wankers. No doubt feminist Radio NZ and TVNZ think its funny.

    Captcha = Mad Speaker

  5. Matthew Pilott 5

    Pull your head out, vto. Corporate tax cuts, massive subsidies, WfF for starters. I have no sympathy if you feel angry because you might now have to pay for your own pollution. I’ll be damned if I want to subsidise your excesses of consumption!

  6. Dean 6

    “This is good. It is also good that they’ve made some grounds on getting some of the changes needed into the present version of the ETS. It’s not perfect but it is the most important aspect of what we do – it is a start.”

    It’s also an exercise in fooling the populace that the Greens had any intention other than supporting the ETS. It’s be like ACT calling for submissions on tax cuts or a flat tax.

    It amazes me how many people fall for this kind of charade, or at least desperately spin in it’s favour and pretend that they don’t know that’s what they’re doing.

    BTW Draco, how much has a unit of carbon under the ETS been costed at, and how much are they being traded for overseas?

  7. Like fuck I will pay anything for this carbon shit. Time to act people as enough is enough ! We people must fix this nutbar government. Kiwi’s are being pushed too far by bullshitting fucked up spin doctors !!!

  8. QoT 8

    So, just to be clear, THIS ETS is a “rushed response” … but a brand-new National government, after coalition negotiations and portfolio divisions and maiden speeches and God know what other rigmarole, is going to produce one no more than 9 months after the election … which won’t be?

  9. Anita 9

    vto,

    when will this govt stop increasing the amount of money it TAKES from people?

    Huh?

    In what sense do you think the government is taking money from people with the ETS?

  10. higherstandard 10

    Anita

    Surely you jest do you seriously believe that an ETS is going to have no effect on CPI.

  11. Ari 11

    vto:

    when will this govt stop increasing the amount of money it TAKES from people?

    because as far as i can see it has been CONSTANTLY increasing ever since its fearful birth.

    I feel my blood starting to boil. Best leave. Later.

    We’ve got some pretty ridiculous tax cuts quite recently, I should remind you.

    I should also point out that whether the ETS was passed or not, the taxpayer would STILL be paying for our Kyoto obligations. It’s just a matter of whether we make the actual polluters pay, or we subsidise them off the taxpayers’ backs like we currently do.

    edit: HS, whether it increases CPI or not is a matter of corporate responsibility, not government responsibility. Whether they charge extra for it or not, their emissions are having negative effects on the environment that until their entry into the scheme, they will have no incentive to remedy. In some senses passing these costs on to the consumer could be good, as it will give them a financial incentive to shop more ethically.

  12. The whole ETS concept is a con job and if National have any brains cells(?)they will chuck the nutbar idea in the offal pit asap.

  13. Anita 13

    hs,

    I believe that sometime, somehow we were eventually going to have to start paying the true cost of our consumption. This is significantly less than this, but it is a necessary and inevitable first step.

    So the government will (hopefully) create a mechanism to decrease our carbon emissions, and because we are currently smitten with market mechanisms it’s a market mechanism, using price signals.

    So yes, some things will become more expensive.

    But, and this is only my first but, the government isn’t taking our money. It is simply legislating that we (individuals and corporates alike) pay the correct price to the correct producers. Do you complain about the government taking our money when it raises the minimum wage?

    And but, my second but, we were going to have to start paying the true cost some day, so this is not an additional cost.

    And but, my final but, this is a necessary outcome of a market economy. We use market mechanisms so we use pricing signals. I’m happy to chance that underpinning economic philosophy, are you?

  14. randal 14

    will the emissions trading take into account the overheated rantings from mental midgets who think they understand how the world works?

  15. higherstandard 15

    Anita as some other wag said

    “We lead the world with legilstaion that will do serious harm to our economy with no measurable benefit to the environment. Our trading partners will be breaking out the champagne.”

    “Agriculture accounts for 30% of New Zealand’s emissions—but farmers are asking themselves what quick-fix is available to limit gas emissions from millions of sheep.”

    And meanwhile China, India and the USA can pollute away to their hearts content.

    And in regards to the true cost – we do pay the true cost which will now be inflated by an ETS which will impose costs on producers of food and power which will be passed on to the public all for no effect on the environment

  16. Dean 16

    “And but, my second but, we were going to have to start paying the true cost some day, so this is not an additional cost.”

    Your doublethink is outlandish.

    How much are carbon credits being priced at by Labour, and how much are they being traded for in international markets?

    Do you even know?

  17. MonkeyKing 17

    Just as well we have a free trade agreement with China. Bring on the cheap Chinese goods!

  18. Pascal's bookie 18

    It’s kinda funny how some people think that a couple of points of difference in the marginal income tax rate will produce all sorts of economic benefits due to the awesome incentive changes, but the same people don’t think that other taxes that are more directly related to activities than income tax will have any incentive effects whatsoever.

  19. randal 19

    pb all thee rantings are no more than opinions not backed by any study or practical experience. this is democracy for peanutheads with a pc!

  20. vto 20

    A few daze ago I travelled from the east of the south island to the west and back again. I passed about 5 coal trains.

    I will try to keep this question simple: why do we ban coal from being burned here in the name of pollution and then export it to china for them to burn there? Does that not defeat the purpose of the banning? (sorry, two questions then) Does pollution in china not pollute the planet in the same way as it does in NZ? (three questions)

    It kind of encapsulates the whole matter …

    And so why is Helen Clark being a HYPOCRITE ? (four questions, but all of the same)

    It kind of encapsulates so many politicians and the esteem in which they are held…

  21. burt 21

    vto

    I have asked that question many times and it seems that there is no suitable answer. I think the only up side is that we (NZ) are not the ones burning it so the export income we received from selling it can be used to buy pledge cards etc.

    But clearly if it’s being burned on planet earth, here or in China, then it’s being burned. This brings up the question of the efficiency of the plants it’s being burned in. Are the ‘plants’ it’s being burned in in China more environmentally friendly than the ‘plants’ where we burn it in NZ?

  22. Chinese burn our coal. When do they start trading in Weet – Bix carbon credit cards? Don’t answer randal you lunkhead.Who the hell do you think you’re fooling Miss Clark?

  23. vto 23

    d4j shuush, you’re scaring away the serious answerers!

  24. Anita 24

    vto/burt,

    I think my answer is probably that this is the outcome of using a market based mechanism 🙂 But that hardly defends the ETS 🙂

  25. Anita 25

    (and being ideologically committed to the most deregulated possible kind of globalisation : )

  26. RedLogix 26

    This line that because NZ accounts for such a small proportion of world carbon emmisions that it’s not worth us doing anything about it is intellectually and morally bankrupt.

    The only valid measures of our emmissions relative to other countries has to be either Tonnes/capita or perhaps Tonnes/$GDP. Nothing else makes sense. And by these measures NZ is one of the worst polluters in the world, placed somewhere at the very bottom of the table in terms of merit.

    We have no excuse to hide behind.

  27. vto 27

    ha ha Anita, a bit like Lockwood said… “having to swallow dead fish”.

    That about sums it up.

  28. Matthew Pilott 28

    vto – the coal we export is top quality stuff sent to other countries for steel production. Stuff burned for electricty is cheap, sooty crap. The less the better. So (also relevant to burt’s q) it’s a different product, we don’t have equivalent ‘plants’, nor can we generate electricity for China.

    Incidentally, a cap and trade system, such as the one being implemented, mean that if you go over your cap, you must trade for credits from carbon-reducing initiatives. Hey if that caught on world-wide…

    I am happy there will be an ETS because there will eventually be a price for pollution internationally, and I’d rather not subsidise other peoples’ pollution as a result of their consumption in themeanwhile because the market is an absolute failure at internalising its problems. Go Labour – Party for personal responsibility!

    Yes, vto, pollution from china is equally a polluting as equally polluting practices in other countries. Does that mean we should do the same here? I’ll spare the obvious by suggesting you thinkof your favourite nasty practice from overseas and ask yourself why we’d start doing it here. Where’s the hypocracy?

    (p.s. WfF, massive subsidies, corporate tax cuts – are you a goldfish?)

  29. Anita 29

    vto,

    Yes. I wish we had the courage and vision to do it properly, but the ETS is better than nothing.

  30. higherstandard 30

    Anita

    “But, and this is only my first but, the government isn’t taking our money.”

    Jeanette Fitzsimons

    “Revenue from the ETS will be recycled into a Billion dollar fund to make New Zealand homes warm, dry and cost-effective to heat,”

  31. Anita 31

    hs,

    a) context

    b) references

    [c – going to bed :]

  32. Quoth the Raven 32

    vto – What is it with you righties and China we only export a small fraction of our coal to China. Why don’t you complain about Japan? Surely you’re not complainging about globaliszation and the free market. It’s gloabl capitalism, vto China is now the world’s factory making all the little shiny plastic doodads people fill their homes with. I think it comes right back to that overconsumption thing.

  33. burt 33

    RedLogix

    This line that because NZ accounts for such a small proportion of world carbon emmisions that it’s not worth us doing anything about it is intellectually and morally bankrupt.

    I agree. But I also think we are morally bankrupt (from an environmental perspective) if we don’t oncharge the emission costs for the coal we sell. IE: Tax it at source, production. If, as we are told, the ETS is about encouraging better behaviour then the end consumer should be made to pay the price irrespective of what country they burn it in. We mine and profit from it’s sale.

    Matthew Pilott

    the coal we export is top quality stuff sent to other countries for steel production. Stuff burned for electricty is cheap, sooty crap.

    The coal we export is indeed high quality and has a lower pollution rating than the sooty stuff we choke the sky with here. In my opinion all the more reason to use it for electricity production here in NZ. I appreciate the market dynamics of the situation but if the govt is prepared to levy a tax on us in the interests of good environmental behaviour then it should clean up it’s own back yard first.

  34. Dean 34

    Matthew:

    “I am happy there will be an ETS because there will eventually be a price for pollution internationally, and I’d rather not subsidise other peoples’ pollution as a result of their consumption in themeanwhile because the market is an absolute failure at internalising its problems. Go Labour – Party for personal responsibility!”

    How much are carbon credits valued at under the ETS and how much are they being traded for on international markets?

    Surely you know?

  35. lprent 35

    vto: Anthracite coal is not lignite or brown coal. The former is used for things like steel where high temperatures are required. The latter is used for low temperatures like power production and a *lot* more of it is used.

    Types of coal

    The difference is in the amount of energy released per kg, the returns from the gas production, and the types and volumes of gases.

    It is feasible to scrub or use the quantities of gases for steel. It is not economic for power production.

    There is no real alternative to using high yield coal for steel. But the return per kg of CO2 is very high.

    So we should be reducing the low return uses like power generation rather than the high return uses like steel production first.

    You’re comparing apples with oranges again.

  36. burt 36

    Anita

    I think my answer is probably that this is the outcome of using a market based mechanism

    Indeed. So who is the big nasty company profiting from mining and selling coal?

  37. burt 37

    lprent

    From that link you provided. Under Coal as fuel, in the context of generating electricity.

    “Standard” steam turbines have topped out with some of the most advanced reaching about 35% thermodynamic efficiency for the entire process, which means 65% of the coal energy is waste heat released into the surrounding environment. Old coal power plants, especially “grandfathered” plants, are significantly less efficient and produce higher levels of waste heat.

    The emergence of the supercritical turbine concept envisions running a boiler at extremely high temperatures and pressures with projected efficiencies of 46%, with further theorized increases in temperature and pressure perhaps resulting in even higher efficiencies

    So it would seem that to be environmentally friendly in the context of some power generation infrastructure that needs to be built in this country we might want to use that high grade coal after all, phasing out our 1900’s models.

    I can’t quite work out what you are saying here.

    It is feasible to scrub or use the quantities of gases for steel. It is not economic for power production.

    There is no real alternative to using high yield coal for steel. But the return per kg of CO2 is very high.

    The return of CO2 from combustion is correlated to the thermal output, so I don’t think it makes sense to justify using higher pollution coal for power generation with economics, then to back that up confusingly represent the environmental costs of burning high quality coal.

    If compared to shit coal 40% as much ‘good’ coal produces the same amount of heat then 60% less shit has been released into the atmosphere burning it.

  38. burt, I think Iprent was referring to the fact that much of the carbon released from coal in steel production is actually being absorbed into the steel, but it requires the very high temps generated by antracite coal to get that to happen. Besides, pure antracite is currently selling for twice what boiler blends are selling for. That’s a major barrier to the “clean” coal power staions. They actually need an ETS to price older power stations out of the market.

  39. The reason that the ETS will be an expensive gesture isn’t because we are only a small part of the problem but because the Kyoto Protocol fails to account for international trade. Visit treehugger.com and search for “carbon imports”, read some of the posts then follow the links to the Stockholm Environment Institutes study for the UK government. It reveals how the poms have actually increased there carbon emissions by 13% whilst officially reducing them by 13%, all by the simple expedient of increasing imports of consumer goods from China and the former soviet block countries instead of making them in the UK.

  40. How will handing out cash in 2010, in the guise of “climate change” policy, to buy Labour votes in the 2008 election sit with New Zealand voters?

    http://darrenrickard.blogspot.com/2008/08/cash-for-voting-labour.html

    Even though it will cost consumers more in the back pocket for the extra “climate change” taxes that Labour and its support parties have already imposed not to mention the additional ones to come.

  41. burt 41

    Kevyn miller

    Besides, pure antracite is currently selling for twice what boiler blends are selling for. That’s a major barrier to the “clean’ coal power staions.

    Exactly, the nasty corporate miners take the profit from selling the good stuff and make us pay for the fact they burn the shit polluting stuff to generate electricity.

    I can see why socialists don’t like the market economy, now who are the major coal miners in NZ? Oh…

    Perhaps I’m naive but I thought the ETS was to encourage good environmental behaviour, not to simply extract more tax from NZ people so that the maximum tax revenue could be gained from exploiting our natural resources and maintaining our low tech polluting status quo.

  42. It isn’t about real pollution Burt. “Climate change” is about more tax, redistribution of wealth, State control and re-election of Labour.

    Meanwhile real pollution is ignored.

    Shameful stuff.

  43. lprent 43

    burt: The point that Kevyn was making is that the price of power would have to go up before the higher cost (and lower effective pollution) coals could be used.

    However there are other sources of power that would also become more viable at higher power prices (and with less pollution). The big advantage with coal powered stations is that modern ones are quick starting so they’re pretty good to handle peak loading. But then again so is hydro. The problem with hydro is that you need to hold on to the water to handle the peaks rather than use it for baseload.

    The real key is to find alternate forms of power with relatively low pollution that can be used to replace baseload. That ensures that the hydro (or new clean coal stations) can be used for peaks. Probably the best are forms of wind generation (there is always wind somewhere), tidal (love that moon), currents (eg Kaipara heads), etc. The more mixed power sources we have, the more robust the resulting network is likely to be.

    IMO: The biggest single problem we have in the power grid at present is a not particularly efficient network. I’d hate to figure out the loss rates.

    BTW: With anthracite the yield of energy is far higher compared to the volume of generated gases. That means you generate less gas per Kw and therefore the total cost of sequestering gases generated is lower. In the case of steel some is used in making the steel. In power stations etc, there is a lot of work being done to reduce their gas footprint – algae farms in particular. It is interesting how far they’ve come in the last few years.

  44. Matthew Pilott 44

    How will handing out cash in 2010, in the guise of “climate change’ policy, to buy Labour votes in the 2008 election sit with New Zealand voters?

    While I haven’t read your blog, and for good reason, this is about making polluters pay, and then using that money to insulate homes to reduce pollution, by reducing the exact same coal consumption (used in power generation) that you were just moaning about:

    Meanwhile real pollution is ignored.

    Shameful stuff.

    Way to contradict yourself.

    Burt, I’m sorry but the two types of coal are not interchangable in the slightest, you’re drawing a logical conclusion from a completely illogical train of thought. Which makes the conclusion…

    For example, you say “So it would seem that to be environmentally friendly in the context of some power generation infrastructure that needs to be built in this country we might want to use that high grade coal after all, phasing out our 1900’s models.

    and in doing so, miss the point by, well, let’s say three times the original width of the point. It’s not about using ‘clean’ coal at all – it’s about enhancing use of coal to capture more of the heat generated. An equivalent is Huntly’s e3p plant – there are three turbines, which extract a whopping amount of the energy from gas, perhaps as high as 80%, versus 40% for a traditional turbine.

    That isn’t by using some magical form of ‘clean’ gas – it’s about the technology. An ETS, when working, encourages cleaner forms of technology over time.

    Dean, couldn’t tell you right now. Try looking it up, all for yourself.

    Kevyn – the age old problem – if we do it ‘well’, but add cost, then other countries will sell stuff to us made ‘badly’, for less. Child labour, spoils of conflict (think blood diamonds), industry on stolen land, slavery – does that mean we should do all the same practices as other countries, because they can do it?

    If you are saying that other countries aren’t legislating for carbon, so we shouldn’t, then perhaps we need to pay more kids 17c an hour to make jeans…

    Doe anyone know if we’d get in big trouble one way or another for putting a tarriff on the C02 costs of imports?

  45. burt 45

    Matthew Pilott

    Burt, I’m sorry but the two types of coal are not interchangable in the slightest

    No of course not, we would need to spend money on the generation infrastructure to decrease the emission output per kw of power generated. Much easier to tax people more and pretend we are doing something for the environment.

    But hey, if we are all poor then we can’t be as wasteful so one way or another the objective may be achieved.

    Nobody wants to answer who the nasty corporate is that sells the top quality coal for maximum profit while lumbering NZ consumers with a tax for burning the more polluting stuff – who is the greedy corporate that wants it both ways?

  46. Matthew Pilott 46

    Nobody wants to answer who the nasty corporate is that sells the top quality coal for maximum profit while lumbering NZ consumers with a tax for burning the more polluting stuff – who is the greedy corporate that wants it both ways?

    That’s because it is a thoroughly nonsensical question. As I just explained to you above. But, for posterity – the two types of coal are not interchangable. It’s like asking why Whirinaki burns diesel instead of nitro-methane. there is no logic whatsoever to your question, and I see this has been explained to you at least five times above. So full credit for persistence, but zero for content.

    No of course not, we would need to spend money on the generation infrastructure to decrease the emission output per kw of power generated. Much easier to tax people more and pretend we are doing something for the environment.

    Ye gods, is that a glimmer of light? Yes burt, exactly. We tax the polluter. If the tax is at the right level, the polluter will have an incentive to make that investment. The tax goes towards improving technology to make that improvememnt.

    The tax also goes towards subsidy of non-polluting technology, thereby further marginalising the profit from the polluter. Then all polluters can reduce pollution, both carrot and stick. I think you’re starting to get it – there’s a real outcome here, it’s not pretending at all!

  47. burt 47

    Matthew Pilott

    That’s because it is a thoroughly nonsensical question

    No it’s not. If the emission taxes reduce their profit then they will change their behaviour. If however they are the reciepents of the emission taxes then where is the incentive?

    If [abc coal traders and electricity generators] takes a hit on their bottom line from the taxes then bingo – the ETS achieves it’s goal. If however we the consumers take a hit on our bottom line while [abc coal traders and electricity generators] continues polluting then the ETS is a failure.

    So… Who is the nasty corporate that sells the top quality coal for maximum profit while lumbering NZ consumers with a tax for burning the more polluting stuff?

  48. T-Rex 48

    Burt.

    Think about it. ABC coal traders and high emission electricity generators can either take a hit on their bottom line or pass the costs onto their customers – yes.

    But now consider the impact of DEF low emissions electricity generators. They don’t have to impose a per/kWh cost on the electricty for their customers so they can either:
    a) Sell their electricity for less while keeping the same profit margin, which will mean that customers swap to using their electricity,
    or,
    b) Sell their electricity for the same amount as ABC Inc, which will increase the relative profitability of their business model, and mean that people building new generation will choose low emissions forms, because they’re more profitable.

    Whichever way it plays out, an economic incentive to generate low emissions electricity exists.

    re: Nasty corporates. What? If an internal market existed, or starts to exist, there’s nothing to stop the coal mining groups from selling the coal internally. I have a feeling the “nasty corporate” phrase, which you keep repeating, is just waffle.

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    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    4 days ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    4 days ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    4 days ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    4 days ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    5 days ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    5 days ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    5 days ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    5 days ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    5 days ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    5 days ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    5 days ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    6 days ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    6 days ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
    Hi there, just call me Tim.We face tough problems, and I’d like to help, because there are solutions.An Auckand District Health Board member has nominated me for as a candidate for the ADHB, because her MS-related pain and fatigue is reduced with hemp products from Rotorua.  Nothing else helped her. If I ...
    7 days ago
  • Good little vassals
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
    7 days ago
  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    7 days ago
  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
    1 week ago
  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Labour’s failure
    When National was in government and fucking over the poor for the benefit of the rich, foodbanks were a growth industry. And now Labour is in charge, nothing has changed: A huge demand for emergency food parcels means the Auckland City Mission is struggling to prepare for the impending arrival ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    1 week ago
  • Democracy – I Don’t Think So
    So, those who “know best” have again done their worst. While constantly claiming to be the guardians of democracy and the constitution, and respecters of the 2016 referendum result, diehard Remainers (who have never brought themselves to believe that their advice could have been rejected) have striven might and main ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Government says it will now build just one really nice home
    Following publication of this article, the Ministry has requested it to be noted that this supplied image is not necessarily representative of what the final house will look like, and it “probably won’t be that nice.” As part of today’s long-anticipated reset of the Government’s flagship KiwiBuild policy, Housing Minister ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Imperialism and your cup of coffee
    Over the next week or two we will be running three synopses of parts of the opening chapter of John Smith’s Imperialism in the 21st Century (New York, Monthly Review Press, 2016).  The synopsis and commentary below is written by Phil Duncan. Marx began Capital not with a sweeping historical ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Still juking the stats
    The State Services Commission and Ombudsman have released another batch of OIA statistics, covering the last six months. Request volumes are up, and the core public service is generally handling them within the legal timeframe, though this may be because they've learned to extend rather than just ignore things. And ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Hard News: Time for a New Deal: 25 years on
    In 1994, I was editing an ambitious street mag called Planet, from a fabled office at at 309 Karangahape Road. The thirteenth issue of the magazine was published in the winter of that year and its cover embodied a particularly ambitious goal: the end of cannabis prohibition.I wanted to do ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Not impressed
    KiwiBuild was one of the Ardern government's core policies. The government would end the housing crisis and make housing affordable again by building 100,000 new homes. Of course, it didn't work out like that: targets weren't met, the houses they did build were in the wrong place, and the whole ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Solar beats coal
    As the climate crisis escalates, it is now obvious that we need to radically decarbonise our economy. The good news is that its looking easy and profitable for the energy sector. Wind is already cheaper than fossil fuels, and now solar is too:The levellised cost of solar PV has fallen ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • A Step Too Far.
    A Crown Asset? For reasons relating to its own political convenience, the Crown pretends to believe that “No one owns the water.” To say otherwise would re-vivify the promises contained in the Treaty of Waitangi – most particularly those pertaining to the power of the chiefs and their proprietary rights ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Where Money Comes From
    Most people would say, no doubt, that they have a pretty good idea of what money is. They live with the reality of money every day. It is what is needed to buy the necessities of life and to maintain a decent standard of living. You get money, they would ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Banned by the Green Party leadership: Jill Abigail on women’s rights and trans rights
    The article below was an opinion piece that appeared in the Spring 2019 issue of Te Awa (the NZ Green Party’s newsletter) and on the Greens website.  In keeping with their policy of hostility to women defending women’s right to female-only spaces, Green bureaucrats have since removed the opinion piece.  ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The fallacy of the proximity argument.
    Longer term readers may remember my complaining that, as a political scientist, it is burdensome to have non-political scientists wanting to engage me about politics. No layperson would think to approach an astrophysicist and lecture him/her on the finer details of quarks and black holes, but everybody with an opinion ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago
  • Where We Stood: Chris Trotter Replies To Stevan Eldred-Grigg.
    Joining The Fight: Stevan Eldred-Grigg's argument for New Zealand staying out of the Second World War fails not only on the hard-headed grounds of preserving the country’s strategic and economic interests; and not just on the soft-hearted grounds of duty and loyalty to the nation that had given New Zealand ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Universities back the climate strike
    On September 27, School Strike 4 Climate will be striking for a future to pressure the government for meaningful climate action. This time, they've asked adults to join them. And now, Lincoln University and Victoria University of Wellington have signed on:Victoria University of Wellington has joined Lincoln University in endorsing ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Another constitutional outrage
    Another day, another constitutional outrage in the UK. This time, the government is saying that if parliament passes a law to stop Brexit before being prorogued, they may just ignore it:A senior cabinet minister has suggested Boris Johnson could defy legislation to prevent a no-deal Brexit if it is forced ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ending dairy in Canterbury
    Environment Canterbury has finally proposed nitrogen limits to stop dairy farmers from poisoning Christchurch's water supply. And naturally, farmers are whining about it:A proposed move by Environment Canterbury (ECan) to protect Christchurch's drinking water by setting tough – some would say, draconian – nitrate reductions in the decades ahead and ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Is National the party of climate arson?
    The Zero Carbon Bill is currently before select committee. While its targets are weak, its a generally sensible bill that promises to establish a long-term framework to guide emissions reductions. But National hasn't made up its mind on whether it will support it - and according to Andrea Vance in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Experts warn Harold the Giraffe “well past” typical giraffe life expectancy, may not have long
    Dum-de-doo. Children across New Zealand have known him for generations as the lovable giraffe who tells them to exercise, hydrate and not to shove lit cigarettes up their nostrils. But a world renowned giraffe expert says we shouldn’t be getting attached to Life Education’s Harold the Giraffe, as he is ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • August ’19 – NZ blogs sitemeter ranking
    Image credit: 22 BLOGGERS WITH ADVICE FOR RESEARCHERS AND EVALUATORS, ILLUSTRATED I notice a few regulars no longer allow public access to the site counters. This may happen accidentally when the blog format is altered. If your ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Bye, bye to the collusion lie
    Sums it up, really. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Opinion: Treat your car by buying extra petrol to snack on while you aren’t driving
    By Mike Hosking. Yesterday morning, I waltzed into work, and as I walked past the drones aggressively typing out news on the computers I’ve repeatedly asked to be moved further away from, I caught a glimpse of the words “climate change”, and noticed that suspiciously they weren’t in condescending quotation ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago

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