Grinding to a halt

Written By: - Date published: 8:12 am, December 2nd, 2011 - 30 comments
Categories: debt / deficit, Economy - Tags:

In May, they were promising growth would be 4.2% in 2012. By October, it was 3.3%. November, 2.5%. December, 1.5% …. with ‘downside risks’ aplenty. Looks like we’re going to be waiting on that brighter future a while longer. Vernon Small points out there’s no way National’s going to keep its promise to get back into surplus in 2014. When will they tell the truth?

And what are they going to do about it? When the Budget shows larger and longer deficits, what are they going to do?

Cut our public services, of course. They could unwind the billions in tax cuts to the rich, but that ain’t their way.

And what’ll they do about the fact that the economy isn’t growing? Nothing. They’ll keep on doing what they were going to do anyway – build highways to nowhere that just so happen to serve their constituencies (and their beach houses), subsidise their farmer mates, sell our stuff to their banker mates.

But it’ll be a good excuse to go a bit further: like more weakening of environmental and employment protections, and sell more of the assets.

In a world where the economy isn’t growing any more and shrinking, it comes down to who takes how much of what’s left. The question is whether we let the elite, the 1%, grab more and more or whether we say that it’s time that ordinary people has a fair crack.

30 comments on “Grinding to a halt”

  1. ghostwhowalksnz 1

    Mini budget anyone ?
    The Brits just had one. Once the coalition cats have been given a saucer of milk to lap up and are purring nicely they will have the taser used on them to pass the mini budget. No cost of living increases this year for benefits and pensions. And so on. Ruth Richardson will be chuffed

  2. queenstfarmer 2

    There is no doubt we remain in a tough global environment, which means it would be daft to hike taxes as you suggest. Remember Barack Obama’s wise words:

    The last thing you want to do is raise taxes in the middle of a recession, because that would just suck up, take more demand out of the economy and put businesses in a further hole.

    One of the many reasons Labour got hammered this election was because it campaigned against this common sense.

    • Draco T Bastard 2.1

      As I told you before – Obama’s an idiot and so are you. We actually do need to increase the taxes on the rich else that money just gets taken out of the economy and does nothing except by a few more holidays to Hawaii.

    • ghostwhowalksnz 2.2

      Then why did they raise GST ?

      • queenstfarmer 2.2.1

        The GST rise was specifically intended to be tax neutral – it was offset by income tax & benefit adjustments.

        • Lanthanide 2.2.1.1

          “The GST rise was specifically intended to be tax neutral”

          The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

          ” – it was offset by income tax & benefit adjustments.”

          Not in reality, where the tax cuts have cost $1.1B so far and counting.

      • Lanthanide 2.2.2

        To make sure all those beneficiaries paid a tax once in their life, obviously.

        • Blighty 2.2.2.1

          I’ve never got that line from the Right.

          Don’t they know that benefits are taxable income? Guess they’re not so on to it when it comes to finance after all.

        • Vicky32 2.2.2.2

          To make sure all those beneficiaries paid a tax once in their life, obviously.

          ????????????????????????? Do you, Lanth, believe we don’t pay tax, or are you saying that (other) righties don’t believe it?

        • Colonial Viper 2.2.2.3

          Is GST a tax? How about the tax on petrol?

    • One Anonymous Bloke 2.3

      Obama is a lawyer, so one thing we know about his statements on economics is: he’s repeating what he’s been told, just like you, Qtf. So, I ask myself, who is more credible than you are? “Just about everyone imaginable” I say to myself, but specifically, Paul Krugman and Warren Buffet.

      However, perhaps you have some evidence (we’ve already heard your opinion, so don’t bother repeating it) that suggests Obama is parroting wisdom. If so let’s see it.

    • mik e 2.4

      Obama was pleading to a repulicking house of representatives any other comments would see him shot down you idiot.

    • Colonial Viper 2.5

      There is no doubt we remain in a tough global environment

      Not for the top 1% of the top 1%.

      The wealth of the NZ Rich list has grown by $7B in one year. Iwi corporates and individuals now control over $30B in wealth, a number which has rapidly grown.

      Bonuses and champagne for the top.

      Austerity for everyone else.

  3. Craig Glen Eden 3

    Yup but the media is to blame in NZ, they have continued to run Keys narrative, whether the facts prove otherwise it does not seem to matter. No questioning of the veracity of the narrative is ever done by the media. Take one look at the work that the media are currently doing to try and stop Labour having a leader that will take on Shonkey this whole line that Cunliffe is not popular is more of the same they are setting it up so Cunliffe starts on the back foot. Anyone who knows the Labour Party and has worked in it campaigning or selling raffles knows their is no way in hell that Shearer would be able to run the Party and take on National. Still the narrative is run because they know when Cunliffe gets in Labour will have a leader who will take Key on no wonder National want Shearer.

    • ghostwhowalksnz 3.1

      You dont have ‘catch him out’ when you can ‘bowl him out’ at the stumps.

      Clark left all the financial stuff to Cullen and did domestic and foreign policy.

  4. Draco T Bastard 4

    They could unwind the billions in tax cuts to the rich, but that ain’t their way.

    Nope, it ain’t their way, just like fixing the deficit by unwinding tax cuts for the rich in the US isn’t the way of the Republicans.

    The question is whether we let the elite, the 1%, grab more and more or whether we say that it’s time that ordinary people has a fair crack.

    It’s time that we, quite simply, stopped the rort that the 1% perpetrates against the rest of us.

  5. vto 5

    Well, you know, quite why people ever believed any of that shit I do not know.

    Those organisations which come out with this stuff have a very poor record of accuracy. FFS, we still hang on the words of the ratings agencies who couldn’t even see the GFC coming – I mean, what the fuck? (although quite obviously they did see it coming but for a whole bunch of reasons did not so advise…… ask yourself. No seriously, ask yourself. And then ask John Key).

    It
    is
    all
    a
    rort
    .

    • Afewknowthetruth 5.1

      VTO

      Yes, it is all a rort. That’s why the lies need to get bigger as time goes on.

      On the matter of ratings agencies:

      Standard and Poor’s has downgraded the credit ratings of the big four Australian banks and their New Zealand units by one notch to AA- as part of its global review of bank ratings. Their ratings outlooks are stable.

      S&P cut ANZ National Bank Ltd’s rating and UDC Finance’s rating to AA- from AA, having also cut the rating of their Australian parent ANZ Group to AA- from AA.

      It cut Commonwealth Bank of Australia’s rating to AA- from AA and that of its subsidiary ASB to AA- from AA.

      National Australia Bank’s rating, and that of its subsidiary Bank of New Zealand, were cut to AA- from AA.

      Westpac Banking Corp’s rating was cut to AA- from AA. Its New Zealand subsidiary Westpac New Zealand was cut to AA- from AA.

      Standard and Poor’s cut Macquarie Bank’s rating by two notches to BBB.
      More soon

      – INTEREST.CO.NZ,

  6. Afewknowthetruth 6

    DTB

    That HTML system doesn’t work. There is no ” at the end of the quote.

    • Draco T Bastard 6.1

      Works fine. The beginning of the quote is marked and the quote itself is indented and it’s the indentation that highlights the quote – not the quote marks. It’s quite obvious what you wrote and what you quoted.

  7. Well if I see someone breaking the law or breaking into a house I will turn the other way because these people who only care about themselves and couldn’t care a brass monkey about the rest of us living in NZ do not deserve us to help them make a society that they want to live in.

  8. Afewknowthetruth 8

    The CEO of Pimco:

    http://www.pimco.com/Pages/default.aspx

    was interviewed on Hard Talk yesterday.

    Major points:

    1. The system is confidence based and there is less and less confidence as time goes by.

    2. People are closing their wallets and holding on to cash. Investors are moving to cash.

    3. Risk management is becoming unmanageable.

    4. The actions taken over 2008-11 by central banks wallpapered over the cracks but have made the system more prone to collapse.

    5. There is a 50/50 chance the Euro will collapse before Christmas 2011.

    Needless to say, both the interviewer and the interviewee avoided mentioning any of the fundamantal reasons for the global economic system grinding to a halt -peak oil, declining EROEI etc.

    And needless to say, much of what he said about imminenet collapse has known to some of us for quite a while.

    • joe90 8.1

      Previously

      William H. Gross, founder of PIMCO and manager of the $242.7 billion Total Return Fund writes:

      Six Pac(k)in’

      Long-term profits cannot ultimately grow unless they are partnered with near equal benefits for labor.

      There is only a New Normal economy at best and a global recession at worst to look forward to in future years.

      If global policymakers could focus on structural as opposed to cyclical financial solutions, New Normal growth as opposed to recession might be possible.

      ……

      Yet to return to my initial criticism of cyclically finance-based as opposed to structural policy solutions, almost all remedies proposed by global authorities to date have approached the problem from the standpoint of favoring capital as opposed to labor. If the banks could just be stabilized, if the “markets” could just be elevated back in the direction of peak 401(k) levels, if interest rates could just be lower so that borrowers would inevitably take the bait, then labor – job creation – would inevitably follow. It has not. The explanation for why not must at least include the rationale that Wall Street and Main Street are symbiotically connected and if one benefits at the expense of the other, then both ultimately can falter.

      (authors bold)

  9. Afewknowthetruth 9

    DTB

    The bold highlighter doesn’t work well either. It highlighted entire phrases when I highlighted only individual words in my comment.

    • Draco T Bastard 9.1

      Yeah, there’s a reason why I don’t use the WYSIWYG editor but enter straight HTML.

      Really, you’re starting to sound like you’re making complaints so as to justify not implementing proper formatting. Isn’t that what you accuse others of doing re Climate Change and Peak Oil?

      • Afewknowthetruth 9.1.1

        DTC

        Not at all. I’m just pointing out that the first time I tried ‘doing fancy stuff’ the system was not user friendly and gave quite a different result from that indicated.

        It really has nothing to do with pointing out the realities of peak oil collapse, economic colalpse and environmental collapse. They are proceeding at a gathering pace irrespective of the level of denial in society or the vagaries of computer systems.

  10. Glenn 10

    The economy isn’t growing because… according to the many right wing members of my family.

    A…Because there was this terrible earthquake which will be oh so expensive to fix.
    B…Because the Euro problem is affecting trade. It’s not Johns fault!
    C… Because the Greenies won’t allow mining our way to wealth. Who needs national parks anyway.
    D… It’s the beneficiaries/ superannuants fault. …especially the first!
    E…It’s the Maoris fault…Obviously.
    F…It’s Helens fault…..This should be at A. When poor John Key took over the cupboard was bare. Helen and Michael had spent all the money on Maoris, beneficiaries and superannuants.

  11. Revolution 11

    So true the world is at its peak everything all it can do is descale. This govt lies will only accelerate the inevitable which is everybody is going to have to cut everything they do starting with the bullshit that goes on in parliament that suffices for putting our nation on a sustainable footing, not growth, but value

    Why we even have an election is beyond me all the opposition parties should have banded together and threatened a complete overthrow of the govt and held them to account for the bullshit they expect us to uphold as legal What is the use of a vote if all we are going to get is right wing tyranny
    Key can no longer lie about the fact that his overseas masters are telling him what to do with this country if we want to survive when the next round of carving up the pacific starts

    See what real guts are left when all those who can leave NZ will and only the physically fit and the hunter gathers are able to survive cause the powers turned off by some other country and the phone cable is cut cause we cant afford it and the water is being sucked out by the Europeans and tanked to their survival locations AND worst of all just like they are doing to Afghanistan now

    We should be ashamed at how bloody blind this govt is being to what will happen to this country

    Pick up a gun and march on parliament and see how far our police state has come
    THIS COUNTRY IS NOT A DEMOCRACY ANYMORE

    • Draco T Bastard 11.1

      We should be ashamed at how bloody blind this govt is being to what will happen to this country

      Whatever gave you the idea that they were blind to what will happen to this country?

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    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
    1 week ago
  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
    1 week ago
  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s failure
    When National was in government and fucking over the poor for the benefit of the rich, foodbanks were a growth industry. And now Labour is in charge, nothing has changed: A huge demand for emergency food parcels means the Auckland City Mission is struggling to prepare for the impending arrival ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Democracy – I Don’t Think So
    So, those who “know best” have again done their worst. While constantly claiming to be the guardians of democracy and the constitution, and respecters of the 2016 referendum result, diehard Remainers (who have never brought themselves to believe that their advice could have been rejected) have striven might and main ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Government says it will now build just one really nice home
    Following publication of this article, the Ministry has requested it to be noted that this supplied image is not necessarily representative of what the final house will look like, and it “probably won’t be that nice.” As part of today’s long-anticipated reset of the Government’s flagship KiwiBuild policy, Housing Minister ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Imperialism and your cup of coffee
    Over the next week or two we will be running three synopses of parts of the opening chapter of John Smith’s Imperialism in the 21st Century (New York, Monthly Review Press, 2016).  The synopsis and commentary below is written by Phil Duncan. Marx began Capital not with a sweeping historical ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Still juking the stats
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Hard News: Time for a New Deal: 25 years on
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  • Not impressed
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Solar beats coal
    As the climate crisis escalates, it is now obvious that we need to radically decarbonise our economy. The good news is that its looking easy and profitable for the energy sector. Wind is already cheaper than fossil fuels, and now solar is too:The levellised cost of solar PV has fallen ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • A Step Too Far.
    A Crown Asset? For reasons relating to its own political convenience, the Crown pretends to believe that “No one owns the water.” To say otherwise would re-vivify the promises contained in the Treaty of Waitangi – most particularly those pertaining to the power of the chiefs and their proprietary rights ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Where Money Comes From
    Most people would say, no doubt, that they have a pretty good idea of what money is. They live with the reality of money every day. It is what is needed to buy the necessities of life and to maintain a decent standard of living. You get money, they would ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Banned by the Green Party leadership: Jill Abigail on women’s rights and trans rights
    The article below was an opinion piece that appeared in the Spring 2019 issue of Te Awa (the NZ Green Party’s newsletter) and on the Greens website.  In keeping with their policy of hostility to women defending women’s right to female-only spaces, Green bureaucrats have since removed the opinion piece.  ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The fallacy of the proximity argument.
    Longer term readers may remember my complaining that, as a political scientist, it is burdensome to have non-political scientists wanting to engage me about politics. No layperson would think to approach an astrophysicist and lecture him/her on the finer details of quarks and black holes, but everybody with an opinion ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago
  • Where We Stood: Chris Trotter Replies To Stevan Eldred-Grigg.
    Joining The Fight: Stevan Eldred-Grigg's argument for New Zealand staying out of the Second World War fails not only on the hard-headed grounds of preserving the country’s strategic and economic interests; and not just on the soft-hearted grounds of duty and loyalty to the nation that had given New Zealand ...
    2 weeks ago

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