Guest post: Swipe right for sexism

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1. rsbandit 1

   21 October 2016 at 5:00 pm

   Imagine if the tables were turned.

   If he had been throwing rocks at her, and she locked him out on the balcony, claiming she did this to protect herself and let him cool off. He then climbs over and falls.

   What would be the media position?
2. red-blooded 2

   21 October 2016 at 5:11 pm

   Great post. When are we going to have a national conversation about the issues around gender roles, sex and violence? If we never name it, how do we confront and start to control it?
3. Chuck 3

   21 October 2016 at 5:27 pm

   “I’d hazard a guess that if we committed genuine resources and energy into teaching our young people (who are going to have sex, and maybe even play rugby) that sex is fine and good as long as it’s done with respect, enthusiastic consent and protection, we’d start to see a cultural shift that society – and rugby – would benefit from.”

   Funny is this not what a parent /s job is??…teach your children what is acceptable and what is not.

   “Our regressive view of sex and sexuality lets sexual violence flourish”

   Thanks to social media, 10 year olds watching porn or 15 year old girls on dating websites hooking up with much older males for booze and drugs in exchange for sex.

   Its not a simple fix – as in committing more resources. You almost need to roll back the clock as the genie has been let out of the bottle (social media).
   • Stephanie Rodgers 3.1

     21 October 2016 at 5:37 pm

     hooking up with much older males for booze and drugs in exchange for sex

     And thus Coley’s point is proved again: because apparently the “much older males” involved in these cases have literally no ability to not sexually abuse vulnerable young women. 🙄
     • Draco T Bastard 3.1.1

       21 October 2016 at 5:40 pm

       +1
     • Chuck 3.1.2

       21 October 2016 at 6:37 pm

       “And thus Coley’s point is proved again: because apparently the “much older males” involved in these cases have literally no ability to not sexually abuse vulnerable young women.”

       Trying to trivialize the issue is not helpful Stephanie…its very simplistic to say throwing resources into the issue will fix the problem. If that was the case then no one would be smoking or driving pissed etc.

       Its much deeper than that (resources)…it starts with the parent/s setting a good example with good advice. Even then, social media will be pulling at them…show casing all the sordid behaviour that no parent wants their children to be involved in.

       So yeh…social media is the main problem. Not resources.
       • mauī 3.1.2.1

         21 October 2016 at 7:50 pm

         Most parents set a good example Chuck and don’t want their kids involved in anything nasty and do their best to avoid that happening. Teenagers aren’t going to listen to their parents anyway.

         From what I can see you’re saying it’s all social media’s fault and the next step is banning it. Good luck with that. Meanwhile the post is about changing society and attitudes, which guess what, changes how people use social media.
         • Chuck 3.1.2.1.1

           24 October 2016 at 5:34 pm

           “Most parents set a good example Chuck and don’t want their kids involved in anything nasty and do their best to avoid that happening. Teenagers aren’t going to listen to their parents anyway.”

           Agree on both points. I also think a lot of parents just don’t realise what their kids get up to online.

           “From what I can see you’re saying it’s all social media’s fault and the next step is banning it.”

           I see some other comments have been made (social media). The difference between now and before social media came on the scene is this…

           It takes 30 seconds to jump online and find all sorts of porn and associated sites. Young minds are easily lead astray, and they end up thinking its “normal behaviour”. In the “old days” it was buying a adult magazine from the local dairy…that had to conform with NZ censorship guidelines.

           Using social media, sleazy guys can jump online, befriend / offer enticements to meet up with girls / young women.

           Before social media that was not possible…Yes we have always had abuse. The difference now is that social media offers a smorgasbord of victims only a click away.
       • corokia 3.1.2.2

         21 October 2016 at 8:02 pm

         There’s a lot less smoking and driving pissed than there used to be.

         Throwing resources at those problems does seem to be doing something.
       • Stephanie Rodgers 3.1.2.3

         21 October 2016 at 9:14 pm

         Nobody is trivializing the issue except you, with your talkback radio flamebait about “10 year olds watching porn!!!!!” and acting like sexual abuse and violence never happened before the invention of the internet.

         And nobody is saying “throwing resources into the issue will fix the problem.” Coley’s post clearly talks about resources, energy, and generating a genuine shift in our societal attitudes to sex and sexuality.

         Why don’t you try engaging genuinely with the discussion?
         • Chuck 3.1.2.3.1

           24 October 2016 at 5:48 pm

           “Why don’t you try engaging genuinely with the discussion?”

           I thought I was…having some experience in pick up the pieces with someone very close to me and a couple of her friends.

           Our young people, some who are for what ever reason a little more vulnerable than others, social media is a huge danger. Its a direct path scumbags use to identify and harm them.
     • Groundhog 3.1.3

       22 October 2016 at 5:02 pm

       You’re assuming the women are all young and vulnerable. Sure some are, but there are also women making poor choices who are neither young (based on Chuck’s) comment, or vulnerable.
   • Draco T Bastard 3.2

     21 October 2016 at 7:54 pm

     Funny is this not what a parent /s job is??…teach your children what is acceptable and what is not.

     You’re making the assumption that parents actually know.

     Thanks to social media, 10 year olds watching porn or 15 year old girls on dating websites hooking up with much older males for booze and drugs in exchange for sex.

     I’m pretty sure you’ll find that that’s been happening since before social media started up. What’s happening is that we’re now hearing more about it because of social media.
     • dukeofurl 3.2.1

       21 October 2016 at 8:07 pm

       That happened too when I was at Intermediate school- 40 years ago.

       of course the media just love social media based stories, as they think it attracts younger demographic eyeballs.
       I think the average reader age at the Oily Orca is 60+, therein lies his problem at making any real money before he goes bust-again.
4. Draco T Bastard 4

   21 October 2016 at 5:39 pm

   Dam good post.
5. Groundhog 5

   22 October 2016 at 5:00 pm

   This is about people accepting personal responsibility for their actions. Men who are sexual predators are scum and need to be treated accordingly. Women who accept an invitation to visit a strangers apartment are stupid, and take the risk of being another victim. This is not that complex.
   • Bill 5.1

     22 October 2016 at 6:20 pm

     And if I, a man, accepted an invitation to a strangers flat….?
     • Groundhog 5.1.1

       22 October 2016 at 8:04 pm

       …and you were assaulted, you’d have to take responsibility for your own actions. This is gender neutral accountability.
       • fender 5.1.1.1

         22 October 2016 at 8:52 pm

         Yeah best to assume everyone is likely to imprison us on their belcony./sarc

         It’s called a crime: holding someone against their will.
         • Groundhog 5.1.1.1.1

           23 October 2016 at 2:41 pm

           Agreed. So whats your point? That she should not be held at least partly responsible for her own predicament? You might need to read some more details of the case.
6. Siobhan 6

   22 October 2016 at 5:29 pm

   Reading the transcripts of the evening it would seem that it was a case of two people who were rather lost, lonely and dysfunctional. Add alcohol to the mix and you have a recipe for disaster.

   For me it would seem to be a story not so much about Men vs Women, but a story about religious upbringings, distorted views on sex and casual relationships, mental health, loneliness and a broken society.

   It was probably the saddest thing I have read in a long time, and I feel bad for all the people involved in both sides of the case.
7. Mrs Brillo 7

   22 October 2016 at 5:48 pm

   Writing as a wheelchair user, I’d never before thought of producing a camera when kept waiting outside a disabled loo, but you’ve guilted me into it, not out of it.

   Let the rutting couples get a hotel room. They have that option. Their randiness does not take priority over the needs of those who have no option but to use the disabled facilities.

   And if the trespassers believe they run the risk of having their faces displayed on the net (or sent to their partners) when they emerge from a disabled loo adjusting their clothing, it might give them pause for thought. Ohdearhowsadnevermind.

   That is indeed my culture, and I’m sticking with it, thanks.

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