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Hager: “The GCSB is not a New Zealand operation”

Written By: - Date published: 7:26 am, March 10th, 2015 - 42 comments
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Selwyn Manning’s new EveningReport site got off to a massive start last night with a long, interesting interview with Nicky Hager. Take home quote (courtesy Russell Brown): “The GCSB is not a New Zealand operation, in any practical sense”.

Please post text for any other particularly interesting points in comments…

42 comments on “Hager: “The GCSB is not a New Zealand operation” ”

  1. adam 1

    Well worth watching. I’m glad Selwyn is doing this, – in the face of a corporate 4th estate.

  2. vto 2

    Springs to mind …… always does ……

    The US gets to change our labour laws to make movies
    The US takes our people to war
    The US runs our spies

    Fuck the US

  3. Colonial Rawshark 3

    I wonder if the GCSB (or any other NZ intelligence service) receives funding from a foreign government. This would not be reported in NZ Government Budget documents and would comprise a “black budget” for our intelligence services.

    • Tracey 3.1

      but… but… but they have independent oversight. John Key said so, so everything will be known to the oversight person. A Secret service would never hide stuff, would they?

      🙄

      • rawshark-yeshe 3.1.1

        ” But, but … I didn’t see it”, said the chief oversight person, “It must have been an oversight”.

    • mary_a 3.2

      @ Colonial Rawshark –

      Now there’s a point! Needs to be followed through.

    • Chooky 3.3

      re “I wonder if the GCSB (or any other NZ intelligence service) receives funding from a foreign government”

      what foreign government funding?….USA?….Israel?….Britain?…inwhich case our sovereignty and democracy is totally compromised ….NZ has been taken over

      …..maybe why John Key is determined to change New Zealands’ flag …. to the extent of spending $26 million dollars to make us change our minds

      ( this without a mandate and against all the polls especially of young NZers and the RSA …and the vast majority of NZers who want to keep their flag )

      • Anne 3.3.1

        what foreign government funding?

        NSA.

        In fact I have a recollection that someone produced evidence last year that the GCSB has received funding from the NSA in the past. You can bet previous PM’s never knew…

    • Colonial Rawshark 3.4

      The Guardian: UK’s GCHQ receives over US$100M in funding from the NSA

      http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/01/nsa-paid-gchq-spying-edward-snowden

      • Chooky 3.4.1

        who runs NSA?….American people?…corporates ?…other?

        …i do not believe the American people are that paranoid and obsessively, intrusive and power and controlling of other people around the world

  4. Murray Simmonds 4

    Thank you Selwyn Manning for an absolutely fascinating and superbly informative interview.

    Nicky Hagar’s comments on ‘the Key style’ of political leadership, towards the end of the interview, were particularly perceptive and insightful.

    An excellent interview, well worth watching!

    • Sable 4.1

      Indeed. Hagar sums up my feelings on the Keys government too. This is a government disinterested in the people of NZ and more focused on the interests of foreigners. Especially the USA.

      • Tom Jackson 4.1.1

        What makes you think that most Americans like being subject to absolute surveillance? Or Canadians, or Australians?

        National and political boundaries serve more to confuse than enlighten when you’re trying to get your head around this.

        • framu 4.1.1.1

          umm… i think he means JK is more concerned with the interests of the US – ie: the us govt and its multi nationals

      • rawshark-yeshe 4.1.2

        Hager, not Hagar who comes from Asterix.

        HAGER. A most brilliant Kiwi.

        • Murray Simmonds 4.1.2.1

          Sorry, and thank you rawshark-yeshe.

          I always knew that sooner or later my comic-reading habits would catch up on me!

          And YES! “HAGER: A most brilliant Kiwi.” Apologies to him as well, for the mis-spelling of his name.

  5. Sable 5

    Excellent. Its about time we had a quality on line news service that mirrors those in the MSM in terms of format but offers quality journalism not the spam and misinformation we have come to know and hate. I will be sure to watch on a regular basis.

    • Bill 6.1

      Ha!

      A second report late last week published jointly by Hager and the Intercept detailed the role played by GCSB’s Waihopai base in aiding NSA’s mass surveillance activities in the Pacific (as Hager was working with the Intercept on these stories, his house was raided by New Zealand police for 10 hours, ostensibly to find Hager’s source for a story he published that was politically damaging to Key).

      A fucked up police operation begins to make a bit more sense, no?

  6. swordfish 7

    Hager: “I feel fairly confident that John Key won’t know most of the stuff that we reveal. The details that we’ve just come out with about what’s going on inside the Waihopai Station ? He won’t know that. He won’t know that but, more to the point, he’s not interested, he doesn’t care, he doesn’t care about foreign policy very much, he’s never taken an interest in it. It’s not a part of his life. He likes to meet important people overseas but he’s not actually interested in foreign policy or defence policy or intelligence policy. So I see no reason why he would take any close….um….look at any of this…He’s more or less in the tradition of a line of National Party leaders who have traditionally been in charge of intelligence services which is that they don’t look because they don’t really care and the ships pretty much run themselves.”

    (21:15 – 22:02)

    • Anne 7.1

      That for me was the most telling aspect of the interview. We have a NZ prime minister who was so bored with being in charge of the security services that he took the unprecedented step of handing over the ‘responsiblity’ to another minister. Not only does he prefer… not to know, but he doesn’t give a damm about the potential consequences of the wholesale collection of metadata, and the enormous harm it could eventually do to innocent NZ citizens – and our closest Pacific neighbours who his government professes to support and protect.

      HE JUST DOESN’T CARE.

      • Murray Simmonds 7.1.1

        Absolutely agree with Anne: I guess thats what being “totally laid back, except when it comes to money” really means!

        And yes, the quote from swordfish is perhaps the most perceptive and ‘telling’ part of the interview. Fascinating stuff!

      • ghostwhowalksnz 7.1.2

        Handing over to another minister ONLY came about because he handed over to one of his political operatives , deputy CoS, first

  7. Here is my two cents on the interview. I don’t understand why a brilliant man like Nicky would presume that we are not being spied on through mass data collection and I really like Nicky.

    • Chooky 8.1

      Special report by lawyer Denis Tegg

      ‘ Is Warrant-less Spying on New Zealanders Lawful?’

      “New Zealander’s privacy and democratic freedoms will always remain under threat from non-compliance. But the real danger lies right under our noses in the revised GCSB Act

      “We have been repeatedly assured by the Prime Minister that the Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB) cannot spy on New Zealanders without a warrant. But what if the greatly enhanced knowledge we have gained from Edward Snowden’s disclosures of mass global surveillance, has actually left New Zealanders nakedly exposed to lawful warrant-less spying on their internet communications by the GCSB? That perverse and deeply disturbing outcome for New Zealander’s privacy and democratic freedoms has been overlooked by commentators on state surveillance since the GCSB Act was passed in September 2013…

      …”.The solution is clear. The GCSB must release its internal legal manuals, and the legal opinions it has received. The USA’s spy agency did so in November 2013. Carefully crafted semantics, denials and obfuscation from the GCSB and the Prime Minister will not suffice. Only when the public have seen the legal manuals and opinions can they judge whether or not the GCSB considers it has the power to lawfully spy on New Zealanders without a warrant.”

      Denis Tegg is a Thames lawyer with an interest in state surveillance and the erosion of civil liberties

      http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2015/03/10/special-feature-is-warrant-less-spying-on-new-zealanders-lawful/

    • Murray Rawshark 8.2

      I don’t think Nicky presumes anything of the sort. He just has a habit of not making claims that he can’t back up with cast iron evidence. His reputation as an investigative journalist depends on it.

  8. saveNZ 9

    Congratulations to Selwyn and all those involved. A really interesting interview with Nicky and I love the format.

  9. So what are we going to do about it?

    Andrew Little is going to stop all that sort of stuff when he makes it to PM right?

    Funny, I haven’t heard him say that yet.

    • Tom Jackson 10.1

      Come on. Time to dust off your Gadsden flag, Reddy.

    • adam 10.2

      What about you Redbater you Tory scum – you going to stop it? Partition your M P? Talk to your buddy JOHNNY BOY?

      Or your just fine with being spied on I suppose.

      Redbater a has a new solution – Tory scum who are happy to be spied on, are going to let the state spy on them. Thanks Redbater you are the epigone we all be waiting for.

      • One Anonymous Bloke 10.2.1

        I’m going to go out on a limb here and predict that Redbaiter will not be comfortable with the NSA/GCSB hoover.

        • Redbaiter 10.2.1.1

          “and predict that Redbaiter will not be comfortable with the NSA/GCSB hoover.”

          You’re right I am not.

          Another thing I’m not comfortable with is education standards, as exampled by Adam, so lacking in the basics he can’t even give a proper noun a capital letter.

          Leaving aside the rest of his incomprehensible drivel. A product of the glorious state education system no doubt.

          • adam 10.2.1.1.1

            Redbaiter – dribbles again – Upset you been betrayed by one of your own? adam with a small a, thanks – My ego is just fine. I do worry about yours though…

      • Murray Rawshark 10.2.2

        I think you mean petition his MP. Partitioning an MP would be a fairly violent act, but we never know with these Tories. They like being tough in the interwebs.

  10. Chooky 11

    thanks for that…very interesting

  11. Lionel 12

    The Greenwald article is very revealing and a must read.Key must not get away with this any longer apart from Guyon Espiner who in the MSM is going to have the balls to take him on.Answer none of them they are as gutless as he is

  12. A full transcript of the Nicky Hager interview will be available on EveningReport.nz from 8pm. That should provide you all with some gems of quotes.

    Also, appreciate the feedback as per above and Lynn and TS’s coverage. Here’s to progress!

    Selwyn.

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