Half way there

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1. Randle 1

   23 May 2012 at 8:42 am

   Why is it then there are so many vacancies in the fishing industry? Anyone, anyone at all can get a job as a deckhand tomorrow as long as they are willing to travel.

   The truth is most people aren’t keen to work on a fishing boat. It’s one of the most dangerous and hardest jobs out there.

   Kiwi inshore boats generally fish sunrise to sundown and sometimes through the night requiring shifts of 24 hours plus. They are constantly struggling for lack of crew.

   For the deep sea boats not everyone can/wants to work 6 hours on, 6 hours off in an artificially lit factory in the middle of the ocean for five weeks straight.

   It is highly unlikely that removing foreign crews completely would in turn create positions for thousands of kiwis.
   • Lanthanide 1.1

     23 May 2012 at 11:31 am

     “The truth is most people aren’t keen to work on a fishing boat. It’s one of the most dangerous and hardest jobs out there.”

     Because the work isn’t being properly remunerated.
     • Murray Olsen 1.1.1

       24 May 2012 at 2:33 am

       Exactly. The crab fishing boats in Alaska and Nova Scotia are never short of crews even though it’s among the most dangerous work in the world. The difference is they can make good money.
   • Deano 1.2

     23 May 2012 at 12:33 pm

     sounds like you need some onshore investment in training and in making the work more compatible with families.. Pick a community with high unemployment, start up training in conjunction with the iwi. In a couple of years you’ll have a thriving skill base.
     • Gareth 1.2.1

       24 May 2012 at 6:49 am

       Unfortunatly the money is related to the catch value, if you are seining ky at 27c a kg you aint getting rich… Get on a toothfish boat and you.ll be doin ok
2. Jeremy Harris 2

   23 May 2012 at 8:52 am

   Seems not all Maori are as pleased as you:

   Ngahiwi Tomoana, the former chairman of Te Ohu Kaimoana, the governing body of iwi-owned Aotearoa Fisheries, said reflagging could see Maori going back to the Government for compensation if commercial returns decreased.

   http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10807671
   • Draco T Bastard 2.1

     23 May 2012 at 2:20 pm

     That, unfortunately, wouldn’t surprise me and it shows the total contempt the Maori leaders have for their people.
3. Sanctuary 3

   23 May 2012 at 9:02 am

   Someone ought to take Ngahiwi Tomoana aside and quietly tell him you can’t get a treaty settlement as compensation for losing your slave labour.
   • Georgecom 3.1

     23 May 2012 at 9:31 pm

     Have to agree. You have the quota and can choose how you use it. But don’t ask for compensation when the state tightens up on labour regulations in the fishing industry.
4. gareth 4

   23 May 2012 at 9:05 am

   Obviously he’s not overly concerned about the well being of the crews preferring to take maximum profits…
   Sounds like he’d be a good Nact voter, perhaps he’s busy lobbying the govt to abolish the minimum wage….
5. DavidW 5

   23 May 2012 at 10:46 am

   You do have to wonder at where the profits from quota leasing end up.

   It is hard to find evidence of any benefits trickling down to the rank and file of the iwi where (presumably) the greatest need exists. Instead we have racial groups continually bleating for more government aid, higher benefits, more of everything.

   Surely there should come a time when the settlements show evidence of benefitting the tribal members, ………………………… shouldn’t there?
   • prism 5.1

     23 May 2012 at 11:47 am

     DavidW
     Maori aren’t children who have to make reports on how they spent their pocket money. They certainly don’t all do the best with their settlements but that’s their business. They just have to learn how to be as cunning as pakeha businessmen and we have to hope they will be better than such pakeha and adopt sustainable business practice that’s people friendly, especially to Maori.
6. Robert Glennie 6

   23 May 2012 at 12:24 pm

   A bigger problem I think is the fact that the Government has chosen to have a four year lag period in dealing with this. The four year lag period, which means it might be mid-2016 before the owners of F.C.V.’s have to clean their act up, is basically a license to continue for another 3 years or so.
   • Draco T Bastard 6.1

     23 May 2012 at 2:22 pm

     Yep, it should be no more than 6 months.

     Personally, I think that it should be an outright ban on foreign fishing vessels in NZ waters.
7. Matthew 7

   23 May 2012 at 1:24 pm

   Iwi should be happy to break even on their quotas if it means providing jobs for their Whanau. The selling of quota is a disgrace. WINZ could get involved with training incentives, Iwi could make it a priority to train their people for the jobs. The money coming from these quotas, which ends up in the pocket of the Maori elite, is not helping the ‘maori on the street’ which is the whole point of treaty claims.
8. Fortran 8

   23 May 2012 at 2:22 pm

   These vessels will never be NZ registered.
   Simply, a Survey will be first required.
   They are dangerous rust buckets, and Maritime NZ will not pass them.
   Quota holders will have to look elsewhere overseas.
   Where are the boats to be found ? – not in New Zealand, other than the few already registered here, who have a full workload.
   Bareboat Charters seems to be the answer. Overseas owner provides the boat and NZ provide the crews. These are generally good quality boats, and they are available.
   • Draco T Bastard 8.1

     23 May 2012 at 2:25 pm

     Or we via the government could build new boats in NZ from NZ resources and lease them out to people/iwi who want to do fishing.
     • gareth 8.1.1

       23 May 2012 at 2:41 pm

       and we could ensure/mandate that they use the most up to date fishing methods… preferably no bottom trawling
       • Draco T Bastard 8.1.1.1

         23 May 2012 at 4:01 pm

         That should be a given no matter where they fishers get their boats from. Not going to happen though as the government will just leave it to the ‘market’ to decide which is the most efficient method which is almost always going to be the most destructive.
   • prism 8.2

     23 May 2012 at 8:18 pm

     Fortran I remember hearing that Spain used to subsidise the Basques fishing boats so as to give them an industry and that they had too many for their purposes. If so I wonder if they still have surplus.
9. Adam 9

   24 May 2012 at 1:08 am

   Less than 20 percent of the fish caught by foreign charter vessels comes off Maori quota, but somehow this whole business is painted as an iwi problem? This isn’t about the workers. This is about Talleys wanting to squeeze out the competition so it can keep its boats active, and about NZ getting pissed off with Korea’s position in trade talks.
   • Murray Olsen 9.1

     24 May 2012 at 2:36 am

     Maybe it’s what Talleys got for a temporary backdown on AFFCO?

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