Happy anniversary Christchurch

Written By: - Date published: 6:49 am, September 5th, 2011 - 56 comments
Categories: accountability, disaster, Gerry Brownlee, law - Tags: ,

Now that it is safely over, I feel safe in wishing Christchurch a “happy” anniversary. One year since the first big quake, and a year that changed the city and many thousands of lives forever. (As luck would have it I was in the same Chch bed that I was in a year ago when the first quake hit, and I was very glad to wake to a peaceful morning.) Christchurch is still in the headlines for all the wrong reasons, there’s so much going on that is difficult and stressful for so many people. And it’s going to drag on for a few years yet.

Two recent bits of Christchurch news. First, Gerry Brownlee breaking his promise to residential red zone residents. About the only good thing you can say about Brownlee here is that at least he steps up and personally owns it. But it’s a nasty move that will be shattering for some people. For what it would have cost the government, they should have honoured that promise.

Second, a little noticed legal decision with potentially huge impact.  The High Court has found that EQC liability “resets”, and applies to each separate earthquake.  That shifts a huge financial liability from the insurance companies (who will be laughing) to the government (not so much).  My question for our legal experts – can the government appeal this?  If so, in what time frame?  You can bet that they will leave it until after the election if they can…

Anyway, stand strong Christchurch.  All the very best for the challenges, and for the opportunities ahead.

56 comments on “Happy anniversary Christchurch”

  1. Colonial Viper 1

    Yes Brownlee had to own up, couldn’t let that creep around and damage Key’s brand.

    At least John Key “slept in Christchurch” as an act of “solidarity”. What a loser. How about creating 5,000 new jobs in Christchurch as a proper act of solidarity?

  2. tsmithfield 2

    And how about the fact that things are far better than they could have been without the governments help.

    The region has escaped a huge leap in unemployment because of the speed at which businesses handled the crisis and the more than $200 million the Government pumped into supporting them with a 14-week wage subsidy.

    Many firms have credited that money with saving their business from failure and staff from the dole queue.

    • Colonial Viper 2.1

      hey ts, a 14 week wage subsidy when it was clear that many businesses would not be able to get back up and running in under 12 months.

      Did you notice that at the end of 14 weeks, businesses started to go under at an even faster rate and people started leaving Christchurch long term when it was clear the Govt was going to do fuck all more to keep the Christchurch economy going?

      How generous.

      • kriswgtn 2.1.1

        yeah while down the road good ol boy Hubbard gets alot of $ which cudda been used to pay those wages for a bit longer………………….

        i have an late unvelining in CHCH to go to in 2 weeks and I for one am not looking forward to visit the place- the pictures my sister has sent me over the past year-you wont see them on the news…………….

        I found on youtube in weekend 4 videos recewntly uploaded by a worker inside the red zone in cbd- I watched 1

        its all gone

        ll find the link later today if any one interested-theres 24 mins of driving around worth in 4 vids and post em in open mike

      • tsmithfield 2.1.2

        CV: “hey ts, a 14 week wage subsidy when it was clear that many businesses would not be able to get back up and running in under 12 months.

        Did you notice that at the end of 14 weeks, businesses started to go under at an even faster rate and people started leaving Christchurch long term when it was clear the Govt was going to do fuck all more to keep the Christchurch economy going?

        How generous.”

        From the article I linked to:

        But unemployment in Canterbury has risen, of course. About 20,200 were unemployed as at June 20 this year, up from 16,800 in June 2010.

        That is a 5.7 per cent unemployment rate (not seasonally adjusted), still below the 6.6 per cent national unadjusted rate.

        The 5.7 per cent rate does not sound high, but it is the highest in a decade for Canterbury.

        Note that, although not surprisingly, the unemployment rate is the highest in Canterbury for a decade, it is still substantially lower than the national rate. Hardly a collapsing economy.

        Also, it is unreasonable for the government (i.e. the people of NZ) to take responsibility for every aspect of business decision making, for instance the amount and duration of business interruption insurance that businesses did or didn’t invest in.

        • Colonial Viper

          Note that, although not surprisingly, the unemployment rate is the highest in Canterbury for a decade, it is still substantially lower than the national rate. Hardly a collapsing economy.

          You didn’t add in the 10,000- 15,000 unemployed workers abandoned by the Government and who have already left Christchurch (for elsewhere in NZ or some for Australia). If you counted them (instead of ignoring them) that would push Christchurch unemployment close to 10%.

          Also, it is unreasonable for the government (i.e. the people of NZ) to take responsibility for every aspect of business decision making, for instance the amount and duration of business interruption insurance that businesses did or didn’t invest in.

          Fuck off, the Government needs to take responsibility for the fact that Christchurch is a massive national disaster zone and 14 weeks wage support is a shitty low level of responsibility for National to take.

          Businesses didn’t get enough business interruption cover? Why should employees suffer for bad business owners and bad business management decisions?

          • Enough is Enough


            We are sick of bailing out private business after they make silly decisions. Every private business should have at least 12 months Business Interuption insurance. There is no excuse for not having that.

            As a nation we should look after our fellow citizens that are left high and dry because of the earthquake.

            That shouldn’t extend to capitalists who take short cuts and don’t insure their business properly.

            I am sick of profits going to business owners but the state having to pay for their losses.

            Government for people…not profits.

            • Colonial Viper

              Every private business should have at least 12 months Business Interuption insurance. There is no excuse for not having that.

              Time to make it law then. But better recognise that Business Interruption Insurance is not a substitute for rebuilding the Christchurch real economy. And that is a Government responsibility.

              And I agree, workers and citizens who have been left high and dry need much more support than National has been giving them.

            • prism

              @ Enough is Enough
              Most small businesses are just people like you who have had a go at making something and selling it themselves. They do their best but may not have enough profit to take out expensive insurance based on unlikely events. Such events as one, two, three…earthquakes were never envisaged by anyone.

              In NZ the majority of businesses are mini ones employing just a few people. That forms the fabric of NZs trading life, not bloated sorts that you might imagine. The bloated ones are more likely the large fish that have eaten the small ones or land speculators that play chess with property schemes for big money, or financiers lending for this or providing credit for those with a gap between need and want, constant poverty making such people vulnerable to temptation of bad borrowing.

  3. Lanthanide 3

    “My question for our legal experts – can the government appeal this? If so, in what time frame? ”

    I’m not a legal expert whatsoever, but a few weeks ago when this was first going to the court, the story on Checkpoint on Radio NZ was that both the insurers and the EQC were taking the issue jointly to the court for the court to decide, simply because the law wasn’t clear in this particular case.

    This isn’t an instance of EQC “losing” a case.

    • r0b 3.1

      Thanks for the clarification.  I would assume, however, that there is still an appeals process for this decision?

      • Lanthanide 3.1.1

        Probably, but if they deliberately went to the court to ascertain where the cost was to lie, then there’s probably not much for them to appeal on or any desire to do so.

        I don’t recall if they had a spokesperson from the insurance companies talking about it, but IIRC they did interview someone from EQC. They definitely didn’t say it directly, but from their tone and the words used, I got the distinct impression that they were expecting to have to foot the costs, but just needed the court to set a legal judgement one way or the other.

        Note that one aspect of the decision is that EQC have to pay multiple claims, but for each additional claim they are entitled to a new levy (which is like $75 or something, so meaningless in the face of a $100k claim, but still has to be accounted for).

  4. tsmithfield 4

    CV “You didn’t add in the 10,000- 15,000 unemployed workers abandoned by the Government and who have already left Christchurch (for elsewhere in NZ or some for Australia). If you counted them (instead of ignoring them) that would push Christchurch unemployment close to 10%.”

    You are assuming that all of these actually lost jobs, when in fact a lot of people left because they were freaked out. Also, many may have already been unemployed, retired etc. So your assumption is not valid.

    CV “Fuck off, the Government needs to take responsibility for the fact that Christchurch is a massive national disaster zone and 14 weeks wage support is a shitty low level of responsibility for National to take.”

    Even if the government had extended its wage subsidy for twelve months, businesses such as hotels in the red zone that are being demolished still wouldn’t be up and running within that time frame. However, my experience with dealing with businesses in Christchurch is that even those in the hard hit east have been able to get up and running again. In fact we have benefited a lot by helping them to do so.

    CV “Businesses didn’t get enough business interruption cover? Why should employees suffer for bad business owners and bad business management decisions?”

    And why should taxpayers suffer for those decisions?

    • Lanthanide 4.1

      There is also something to be said for limiting the support to 14 weeks only. It forces businesses to get up and running; they can’t simply take it slow relying on the government handout.

      My sister and her boyfriend are both clinical psychologists and have a bit to do with ACC and people who have injuries like chronic pain. They’ve said one of the biggest barriers to recovery is actually ACC payments. She gave a good example: if you were working as a professional earning $80-90k and then got injured in a car crash, ACC will pay you your salary at 75% (or 80%, anyway the rate is unimportant). These people effectively get paid a lot of money to sit at home and do nothing. If they actually returned to the workforce, because of their injury, they’d be earning much less. So the ACC payments act as an incentive against meaningful recovery.

      Similarly propping businesses up on life support for 12 months wouldn’t actually have been in the best interests of the businesses, and certainly not for the tax payers in the rest of the country.

      I think they should have extended the payments a bit longer than 14 weeks, or at least had additional funding available on a strict case-by-case criteria, but I’m not entirely sure that anything offered by a Labour government would have been much more generous than what National did.

      • tsmithfield 4.1.1

        An unusual break-out of agreement between Lanth and myself. 🙂

        The whole point of the subsidy was to keep otherwise viable businesses viable.

        Businesses that required ongoing support for twelve months would likely to be unviable after that period of time for a whole host of reasons. So it would likely have been pouring money down the toilet.

      • Carol 4.1.2

        I disagree that ACC is a disincentive to return to work. I am on ACC due to a recent non-work accident. The line I get from ACC is that they will be looking for me to be returning to work as soon as. Their official line is that it’s better for people to be working. I was interviewed in a fair amount of detail as to what my work involves. They will be talking to my employers about getting me back to work, possibly on reduced hours and/ lighter duties in the first instance. My ACC case manager will be talking to me again this week.

        Actually, I felt mildly harassed, as it seemed it wasn’t about what’s best for me, but about the moneyz. But, whatever… I trust the doctors and will go by what they say about my work readiness.

        And overall, I am impressed with the whole ACC system, as I really didn’t know much about it before.

        • Lanthanide

          They were talking in the context of people who have had serious disablement from an accident that has left them out of work for quite a long time, while also receiving very large payments from ACC.

          Also, being psychologists and dealing with things like chronic pain, they were talking about cases where someone’s ability to rehabilitate is strongly linked to their desire to do so, as in it’s not simply a matter of waiting 6 weeks for your leg to get better, but you have to actively push yourself and in some cases simply learn to manage your pain.

    • bbfloyd 4.2

      t.s; ” why should taxpayers suffer for these decisions”…. what are you using for a brain now that your dog has got his balls back? tens of thousands of people leave their home because the so called “leaders” have done NOTHING to actually get the rebuild going at a reasonable rate… NOTHING towards contributing to the serious decisions needed regarding the long term future of the christchurch region..

      they couldn’t even get temporary housing underway in less than a year…. they are only NOW actually building the temporary homes required a year ago… and by the way… the main impediment to that happening was problems getting the govt to actually pay the builders for them..

      and don’t waste my time attempting to tell more of your silly little lies in order to simply continue arguing black is white… i know personally the people involved in one of the contracts supplying these units…. at present, the company is owed approximately $400k by the govt, which goes a long way to explaining why it has taken so long to get anything done…

      the reports i am getting from workers down there is that they have never seen, and experienced so much anger and frustration… the people of christchurch are seriously pissed off with brownlee and key…

      they are sick of watching their sons and daughters leaving to places where they have some sort of future…sick of being used as no more than props for johnny sparkle to playact the caring, concerned leader when it is well known that the nats are happy to see labour voting electorates empty out…

      you really are a unwholesome piece of goatshit if you think that defending incompetence and corruption is preferable to accepting that this whole situation has been cynically mishandled from the start….

      reality for the people of christchurch bears no resemblance to the utter drivel that passes for news coming from those shaved poodles who we laughingly refer to as the “news” media…

      • tsmithfield 4.2.1

        bbf “they couldn’t even get temporary housing underway in less than a year…. they are only NOW actually building the temporary homes required a year ago… and by the way… the main impediment to that happening was problems getting the govt to actually pay the builders for them..”

        Actually, I have a son who works for a building company building temporary housing that has been building houses for probably four months now. To date they have probably built 100 or so. The uptake of housing built to date has been very slow. So it is probably a good thing the government didn’t follow the advice of articles I have seen on this site that suggested the government should be building thousands of them.

        bbf “and don’t waste my time attempting to tell more of your silly little lies in order to simply continue arguing black is white…”

        Really? I’ll call you on that one. Where have I lied?

        bbf “the reports i am getting from workers down there is that they have never seen, and experienced so much anger and frustration… the people of christchurch are seriously pissed off with brownlee and key…”

        Yes. I guess things can always be done better. But face it. Its not Haiti, is it?

        bbf “you really are a unwholesome piece of goatshit if you think that defending incompetence and corruption is preferable to accepting that this whole situation has been cynically mishandled from the start….”

        Probably no more than you who seems to think the way to argue ideas is to attack the person rather than debate the point of discussion.

    • Colonial Viper 4.3

      And why should taxpayers suffer for those decisions?

      Uh…because we don’t want to leave fellow NZ’ers high and dry? Well, you might.

      Families in Christchurch are struggling to stay on their feet and protect their children from post traumatic stress and you are worried about protecting above average earners and the wealthy from a $1000/year levy.

      Good one, try and look after the country and its citizens for once, not the ‘tax payer’.

      • tsmithfield 4.3.1

        “Good one, try and look after the country and its citizens for once, not the ‘tax payer’.”

        So, you are saying that the only people who are considered citizens of this country are those that are not tax payers? What a strange world you live in.

        By your argument, those who lost their jobs due to bad decisions made by South Canterbury Finance Ltd should be getting their wages almost dollar for dollar ad infinitum, if the government should step in where bad business decisions have been made as you suggest.

        • Colonial Viper

          Glad you brought up SCF.

          English found $1.7B to support the big shot investors there.

          But him and Brownlee couldn’t find 1/10 of that to support Christchurch workers who had lost their jobs.

          Priorities of the National Government are very clear.

          f the government should step in where bad business decisions have been made as you suggest.

          Christchurch is a massive disaster zone; not a ‘bad business decision’ and the Government has given workers there shitty negligible levels of support which ended after 14 weeks.

          • tsmithfield

            You can argue the specific merits of the SCF case. However, as I recall it, it was Labour who opened the door by introducing the scheme that allowed fat cats to be bailed out, wasn’t it?

            • burt

              Yes it was, but it was OK because there was an election coming and they didn’t want to loose the votes of people who made ‘all eggs in one basket’ investment decisions.

              Socialism – making sure you never need to be responsible for your own choices.

              Spending others peoples money is fine till there is none left !

            • Colonial Viper

              However, as I recall it, it was Labour who opened the door by introducing the scheme that allowed fat cats to be bailed out, wasn’t it?

              Yep. And Bill English approved and re-approved SCF’s involvement even though SCF did not meet the criteria for inclusion.

              • tsmithfield

                As I said, you can argue the specific merits of the SCF case, which you seem inclined to do. However, the point is that Labour didn’t seem to have a problem with bailing out fat cats in general principle. Did you support them on this?

                Your complaint at which seems to be the source of your complaint in your post at seemed more to do with the fact that National would bail out fat cats such as SCF at all without reference to the specific arguments around whether the SCF bailout was justified or not.

                • Lanthanide

                  “However, the point is that Labour didn’t seem to have a problem with bailing out fat cats in general principle. Did you support them on this?”

                  That’s not strictly true. There were limits put on the guarantee scheme that you had to meet in order to:
                  1. Become covered by the scheme.
                  2. Remain a member of the scheme.

                  SCF fell well outside those limits, if not during Labour’s government then definitely during National’s (Bill English said that they were warned SCF was in trouble the day after the election).

                  So, Labour did have a problem with bailing out reckless fat cats and they accounted for that in the rules of the scheme.

                  National failed to uphold those rules. Not Labour’s problem.

                • Colonial Viper

                  I see ts you aren’t comfortable with the miserly 14 week support that the Govt gave to workers of Christchurch compared to the generous support they gave to SCF bond holders. Many of whom were foreigners.

  5. vto 5

    Oh yes, happy happy joy joy …

    Nice sentiment though r0b for the developing doughnut city, the city made up of a thousand suburbs and nothing else, the city with no hills, rivers or sea of any use, the city flooded with uncertainty and with leaks galore through which people continue to slip. The non-existent city.

    Can someone please just turn back the clock about 370 days? That would be great, thanks.

    • felix 5.1

      “Can someone please just turn back the clock about 370 days?”

      Eh? You want to do it all again?

      • vto 5.1.1

        Well no, what I had in mind was turning the clock back and then somehow stepping the world to a parallel universe and so avoid the shakes.

        Having no central city certainly creates a previously missing appreciation of what we had. And the rest of NZ should similarly appreciate what they have in their towns and cities. The long building of a city with its myriad of components. It is no small thing.

  6. Afewknowthetruth 6

    The sad reality is, Chrischruch was built in the wrong place (on a swamp). And we know it has no long term future because of the masive sea level rise which is coming in a few decades.

    Acknowledging that, one would think that the sensible thing to do would be to abandon Christchurch in an oraganised manner and gradually shift the people to a location with some long term prospects.

    Being gutless imbeciles (or insane sociopaths), the government will continue to offer false hope for a ‘better brighter future’ to the people of the district while it continuously deceives them.

    The real problem is, the people of Christchurch are so uninformed and so easily misled they believe government and local authority propaganda.

    • Lanthanide 6.1

      A sea level rise of 6M won’t even take up 50% of Chch’s boundaries. Even less so now that the eastern half is going to be effectively abandoned.

      • vto 6.1.1

        With a port like Lyttelton in the middle of our largest land mass I don’t think Chch will be moved, except perhaps up onto the hills and slightly westish to more solid ground.

        And the vast vast majority of land in Chch is not swamp. It is absolutely fine for building on.

      • Afewknowthetruth 6.1.2

        When you wrote 6M did you mean 6m?

        Nobody knows how much sea level rise there will be, or how fast, but the latest thinking is that Greenland plus the West Antarctic will provide enough water for about 15 metres of sea level rise in a few decades. And of cvourse, ther is the thermal expansion effect. In geological time the sea level has varied by around 60 metres and humans are inducing the fastest meltdown ever recorded.

        The speed and extent very much depend on the rate at which positive feedback mechanisms interact and reinforce one another over the coming few years (there are no known negative feedbacks).

        Needless to say, every government on the planet is working hard to bring about abrupt climate change (and the massive sea level rise that goes with it), via their obsession with ‘economic growth’ based on the burning of fossil fuels, which is not only absurd but is also unachievable now that we are in a post peak oil world -the other factor which will ‘demolish’ the idiotic plans for building Christchirch as an industrial city.

        • tsmithfield

          Interestingly, sea levels have actually been falling for the last six years.

          • lprent

            What was that for?

            Oh to demonstrate that Wishart does a sampling on one side of the el nino / la nina cycle? You know the cyclic effect that changes the currents and therefore the sealevels around the pacific…

            So if your sensors are mostly on one side of the pacific…. and you take only one part of a longer cycle, then you can get exactly the slope that supports your predefined (and probably paid for) conclusions.

            Ian Wishart – the ONLY thing he is good at is being selective in how he gets data. You know – the technique of lying with numbers..

            tsmithfield – gullible ‘skeptic’ who doesn’t ask the simple skeptical question – why did he pick 6 years?

            It is too short for meaningful results in this field. But it is good for picking up just one side of a cycle. I didn’t bother to look at anything beyond that scale because it was quite obvious what he’d done as soon as I saw it.

            • NickS

              And even then it’s lacking any info on the statistical significance of the trend, so there’s no way to see if Wisfarts claim is correct, not to mention the failure to look at global trends along with the short sample time slice he’s using.

              Pretty typical though of teh moron to lie by omission.

            • Lanthanide

              Yeah, I didn’t know the El Nino aspect behind it, but I was immediately suspicious when I saw the data started in 2004.

              Surely this sort of data should be relatively easily accessible going back to 96-97. So I concluded that he must have chosen to leave it out.

              • lprent

                There are several aspects of ENSO that change sea levels. Off the top of my head…

                1. Simple changes in where currents go. You ram a lot of water into land (or not) from a current and you’ll get a sealevel change

                2. Colder water has less volume and warmer water has more. So if you change where the cold and warm currents are then you can expect to get effects in the sea level.

                3. Air pressure above the ocean areas will change sea levels. So if you change the average air pressures by the weather systems shifting then you’ll get sea level changes.

                4. Consistent winds between air pressure systems will cause movement of water and rises in sea levels around continental shelves

                All of these are way less in effect than the lunar cycles. But you can see them statistically all around the world. Average sea level is different in different places because of it.

                I can’t remember where I saw it (probably something I read at RealClimate if my programming fatigued brain is to be believed), but they have measured the ENSO effect on sea level at several places over several cycles and it was significant. There was a lot of discussion about which off the processes was most effective.

                • joe90

                  From the useless but interesting bookmark folder.

                  If the Earth Stood Still

                  Sea level is—and has always been—in equilibrium with the planet’s gravity, which pulls the water toward the earth’s center of mass, and the outward centrifugal force, which results from the earth’s rotation. After a few billion years of spinning, the earth has taken on the shape of an ellipsoid (which can be thought of as a flattened sphere). Consequently, the distance to the earth’s center of mass is the longest around the equator and shortest beyond the polar circles. The current difference between the average sea level as observed along the equator and the distance to the earth’s center of mass from the sea level at the poles is about 21.4 kilometers (km)

                  • tsmithfield

                    You all leapt in without giving any thought whatsoever.

                    Firstly, even though Wishart has reported this data, it was in fact first reported by NASA, who give an explanation. I deliberately linked to Wishart because I knew it would provoke lots of mindless hatred that would not have occurred if the same data were reported directly from NASA. .

                    Secondly, you all assume I was making some sort of denialist argument, when I simply noted an interesting feature without making any particular comment on it.

                    I actually think the trend will probably reverse. However, if that chart in the article I link to on this post was a financial chart, it would be considered that resistance had been broken to the downside indicating a trend reversal.

                    Interestingly, for NASA to be correct in their explanation, it requires a huge amount of water to be dumped and retained on a very small amount of land as per their map in order to achieve the magnitude of sea-level drop.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      However, if that chart in the article I link to on this post was a financial chart, it would be considered that resistance had been broken to the downside indicating a trend reversal.

                      Sure, because financial market technical analysis, which picks up on traits of human fear and greed as reflected in market movements, applies equally to Mother Nature.


                    • lprent

                      I gave an explanation of why I thought it was wrong to draw any conclusions from it.

                      I also said exactly what type of fool I thought you and Wishart were for even bothering to raise it. It has essentially no significance because the time period of the data was far too short. You need a decade or so of data to isolate out the cyclic effects.

                      I’m sure the reaction makes your palms get sticky from excitement – but to me it just indicated that a causal effect of you being a fool jerking off

          • mik e

            Otago university $30 million study proves that creationist bull….is wrong, those creationist kooks all want to go to heaven as soon as possible thats why they are backing the Deniers. they have lost all credibility amongst there flock so they are joining another weird cult mob of idiots.

    • prism 6.2

      @ aftktt – I think that the first group that is being deceived is the politicians, and they are doing it to themselves as they don’t want to think beyond tomorrow. Yet they have the means to get the information and forecasts about Christchurch and we have skilled people right in this country who could fill in the gaps.

  7. Drakula 7

    I will say it again; The governments big mistake is not putting on a price freeze, and as a consequence opportunists and speculators are rorting the public!

    These people should be named and shamed.

    But the government has just left it to the market forces!!

  8. Armchair Critic 8

    Christchurch is a strange place at the moment. From the west it looks fine, only hints of damage out round Ilam, even the big aftershocks can be written off as trucks driving past.
    If you drive around the edges, rather than going through the middle, and head east, the extent of the damage and the resulting misery becomes much more apparent, the aftershocks are wicked and, as vto mentioned some months back, the ground never really seems to stop moving. I’d never have believed it if I’d not experienced it myself.
    There are very much two parts to Christchurch, the part that the government wants to ignore, and the part it wishes would go away. Meanwhile….
    Honestly, I can do without Mr Key’s attempts at solidarity, and Mr Brownlee’s lies and inaction.

  9. prism 9

    @Armchair Critic – My sympathies are with you. Kia kaha if that helps. I heard someone criticising the weasel word of how “resilient’ you are. That praising resilience is just an excuse to leave you to your own resources. Keep sending the begging letters, you deserve lots of help while you repair the broken bits and your lives. And planning for a different Christchurch that serves you well. And it’s true about the different areas, my family is in the west and life goes on with a wobble and a bump now and then. As long as breakable and messy things are cordoned off, it’s not too bad for them.

  10. ropata 10

    Never the same again:
    Fat Eddies bar, a special place and incidentally the last place I saw my friend Emma alive
    New Regent St, with its trendy cafes and curios shops
    Honeypot Cafe, with its grumpy staff but really cool art everywhere
    Warners Hotel, lived there for a couple of months when I had nowhere else to go
    St Lukes Church, where I experienced profound grace

    • prism 10.1

      Every time you mention a name, your bring the memory of that person into the new day.
      So sorry about Emma.
      I have yet to visit the earthquake areas as I have little family time when I take flying visits on grabaseat. But I feel I should go, like a pilgrimage. I think I’ll go to New Brighton, round the CBD, Ferrymead if I can. Was Warners in Latimer Square? If so I think I stayed there once.

      • ropata 10.1.1

        Hi prism,
        Warners is in Cathedral Square, actually I think it’s recoverable except some of its heritage features (ie, the original facade) probably have to be demolished.
        Cheers mate.

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    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    11 hours ago
  • Challenging the voting age in court
    The Make It 16 campaign to lower the voting age is launching this afternoon, and they have already announced plans to challenge the law in court:The campaign, named "Make it 16" will launch at Parliament on Friday, with plans to take their case to the High Court, testing the rights ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    11 hours ago
  • Israel’s elections herald a long siesta
    by Daphna Whitmore The long years of Netanyahu’s reign are drawing to an end. For years he has epitomized reactionary zionism as he oversaw hundreds of thousands of Jewish settlers seize land in the West Bank. There are now 700,000 settlers, putting an end to the myth that Israel was ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    13 hours ago
  • Petrol companies promise prices will come back down once peace is restored to the Middle East
    BP, Z and Mobil all insist that petrol price hikes are temporary, “in a very literal sense.” The nation’s major petrol providers are trying to allay customer fears over prices, promising that they’ll move to lower them again “immediately” when the Middle East is returned to its formerly peaceful state. ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 day ago
  • All Blacks unveil boat for Rugby World Cup 2019
    South African coach Rassie Erasmus says he has no idea what they’re going to do about the boat. In a highly anticipated press conference this afternoon, All Blacks coach Steve Hansen has finally unveiled the team’s boat for its Rugby World Cup 2019 campaign. In a press conference that went ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 day ago
  • An increasingly shoddy coverup
    The Operation Burnham inquiry continued to question senior NZDF staff today, and their shoddy coverup over their knowledge of civilian casualties continue to fall apart. If you recall, first, we were asked to believe that it was all a series of "mistakes and errors": a senior officer with multiple degrees ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 day ago
  • If we are to avoid making the earth uninhabitable, we need to rapidly decarbonise our civilisation, and cut emissions to zero as quickly as possible. This seems like an impossible task, but its not. Pushing hard on a few technologies and trends will let us halve emissions in a decade:Greenhouse ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 day ago
  • A further attack on transparency
    The Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill (No 2) had part of its committee stage yesterday. its a generally tedious bill about the nitty-gritty of local government reorganisation. But it includes a clause making the Local Government Commission subject to the Ombudsmen Act, and hence the OIA. Great! Except of ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 day ago
  • Ihumātao and Treaty settlements
    Yesterday Ihumātao's mana whenua reached a consensus that they would like their land back, and asked the government to negotiate with Fletcher's for its return. The government's response? Try and undermine that consensus, while talking about how doing anything would undermine existing Treaty settlements. The first is just more bad ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Protecting our history
    Its Suffrage Day, the 126th anniversary of women winning the right to vote (but not stand in elections) in New Zealand. And to celebrate, the government has bought Kate Sheppard's house in Christchurch:The government has bought Kate Sheppard's former home in Christchurch for more than $4 million. The Ilam villa ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Climate Change: Ostracising the coal-burners
    The UN climate summit is happening in new York next week, and unlike previous years, coal-burners and denier-states are not being invited to speak:Leading economies such as Japan and Australia will not be invited to speak at next week’s crunch UN climate change summit, as their continued support for coal ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Jojo Tamihere Salutes Herr Goff.
    Get Back Jojo! The elation in Mayor Phil Goff’s camp may be easily imagined as they watched social media light up in indignation at challenger John Tamihere’s "Sieg Heil to that" quip. Just when JT’s notoriously right-wing, sexist and homophobic stains were beginning to fade back into his ‘colourful’ past, ...
    2 days ago
  • Hard News: A fun but flawed weed documentary
    Patrick Gower is good value when he's high. Not that I've ever, you know, got stoned with him. But in the second part of his documentary Patrick Gower on Weed, he does what you'd expect in a modern weed documentary and immerses himself – first with a doctor, then a ...
    2 days ago
  • Candidate Survey: Western Bay of Plenty – Local Body Elections 2019
    We surveyed candidates on their attitudes to issues facing the Western Bay Region, find out what they think: “Closing the Gap” Tauranga, one of the area groups of Income Equality Aotearoa NZ Inc., has surveyed all candidates in the three local body elections to discover attitudes to some basic issues ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    2 days ago
  • Project Nettie calls on scientists to defend biology
    Please spread widely, and sign, to support science and rationalism over the new irrationalism sweeping universities and institutions.  PROJECT NETTIE Sexual reproduction, the generation of offspring by fusion of genetic material from two different individuals, evolved over 1 billion years ago. It is the reproductive strategy of all higher animals ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 days ago
  • I’m glad I don’t live in Auckland
    Just when I was thinking that Palmerston North's mayoral race (which includes a convicted child molester / public wanker and a convicted child beater) was the worst in the country, Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere opened his mouth:Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere is being slammed for using the words "sieg ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Index of Power Update, 2018-19: China #2
    We reprint below an article from the excellent website the Economics of Imperialism by Tony Norfield This is an update of the statistics for my Index of Power, using data for 2018-19 and discussing what a country’s ranking reflects. The major change is that China’s rank has shifted up and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 days ago
  • Climate Change: A history lesson
    Why is New Zealand climate change policy so crap? The Herald this morning has a long article on the twists and turns of climate change policy in New Zealand [paywalled / depaywall script], which shows where we've been. The short version is that the government first began worrying about this ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • What the All Blacks Mean to Us
    The All Blacks have been, for more than a century, arguably the most successful International sports team in the world. But they are more than that; even for those Kiwis who are immune to the charms of rugby (and there are more than a few), the All Blacks are ambassadors ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    3 days ago
  • No one is born into the wrong body
    A short and incredibly powerful speech from a young lesbian woman. No one is born in the wrong body. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    3 days ago
  • Contempt
    Back in June, the UK Court of Appeal ruled that that country's continued arms sales to Saudi Arabia were unlawful. So you'd expect that the UK government stopped approving them, right?Of course not:The government has apologised for breaching a court ruling against the sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Covering up the cover-up
    Yesterday NZDF officials were put on the stand about the lies they had told over Operation Burnham, making implausible claims that it was all a big mistake. But along the way, we learned they had already been put on the spot about it by a previous Defence Minister, who had ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Not as important as they think they are
    Farmers have been whining a lot lately, about the methane targets in the Zero Carbon Bill, about Canterbury's proposed nitrogen limits, and about the government's new proposals to stop them from shitting in our lakes and rivers. These policies are "throwing farmers under the tractor", they will force farmers off ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Behind Every Good Woman Should Stand – Another Good Woman.
    Alone, Alone, All, All, Alone: To argue that the Prime Minister is the victim of her advisers’ failure to keep her informed may offer Jacinda some measure of exoneration – but only at the cost of casting her as a hopeless political ingénue. A star-dusted muppet, whose only purpose is to ...
    4 days ago
  • Poor quality, poorly educated kiddie ‘Journalists’ spreading fake news
    In times of hysteria about the “World coming to an end” and “rising sea levels” so-called ‘Journalists’ who can barely spell words longer than four letters are having a ball! Though the majority of the Public have worked out that manmade climate change is nothing short of pseudo-science, and the ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    4 days ago
  • Chris Trotter on the BFD
    I don't want to give pblicity to certain parts of the internet that are better left to fester in their own irrelevance (I know, a bit like this place) but the listing of Chris Trotter as a 'author' on Cameron Slater's spinoff website, the BFD requires some explanation.Now, I don't ...
    4 days ago
  • Sex is not a spectrum
    The text below is a Twitter thread by Heather Heying that explains the essence of sexual reproduction and it long evolutionary history. She is an evolutionary biologist and a “professor-in-exile” after she and her husband, Bret Weinstein, stood up to supporters of an enforced “Day of Absence” for white staff and teachers ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    4 days ago
  • Climate Change: Trees, aviation, and offsets
    With crunch time for new Zealand climate policy approaching, most of the New Zealand media have got on board with a global reporting effort to cover the issue. There's one strand of stories today about polling and what it shows about changing public attitudes to the crisis, but the strand ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Pissing-Off The Israelis Is A High-Risk Strategy.
    Dangerous Foes: For those readers of Bowalley Road who feel disposed to dismiss any prospect of an Israeli destabilisation of New Zealand politics, the example of the United Kingdom repays close attention. Ever since the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the British Labour Party, the Israelis have sanctioned, funded and ...
    4 days ago
  • Something to go to in Wellington
    Make It 16, the youth-led campaign to lower New Zealand's voting age, is holding an official campaign launch at Parliament this Friday from 16:30. If you'd like to attend, you can register using EventBrite here. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • A founding member responds to Peace Action Wellington
    by Don Franks It was a lovely sunny Wellington afternoon with blue skies above  the beaches.  In Courtenay Place, political activists packed out a stuffy upstairs room for an important meeting. The assembled pacifists, anarchists, communists and independent young radicals of Peace Action Wellington felt the need for a mission ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    4 days ago
  • “Mistakes and errors”
    Current and former NZDF top brass are being publicly grilled this week by the hit and run inquiry over their public responses to allegations of civilian casualties. Previously, they've claimed there were no casualties, a position which led them to lie to Ministers and to the public. Now, they're saying ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • “Homosexuality is same-sex attraction and relationships, not heterosexuals with delusions of gende...
    by Rafael D. Quiles (gender-critical gay man from Puerto Rico) The writing on the wall is right in people’s faces and people just don’t see it or don’t want to. What could actually possess a heterosexual male to want to feminize himself and claim that he is a lesbian? Because ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    5 days ago
  • Trump: “Where’s my favourite dictator?”
    From the Wall Street Journal:Inside a room of the ornately decorated Hotel du Palais during last month’s Group of Seven summit in Biarritz, France, President Trump awaited a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi. Mr. Trump looked over a gathering of American and Egyptian officials and called out in ...
    5 days ago
  • Magdalen Burns, 1983-2019, fighter for women’s liberation
    by the Redline blog collective At Redline we are very saddened to hear of the death of Magdalen Burns who passed away on the morning of Friday, September 13 (British time). Magdalen was a great fighter for the rights of women in general and lesbian women in particular, a defender ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    6 days ago
  • Parliament and the Executive
    The Brexit issue has certainly brought with it a series of apparently difficult constitutional issues, many of them concerning the respective roles of the executive and parliament. Most of them arise because of the unwillingness of MPs, despite their professions to the contrary, to be bound by a constitutional rarity ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    7 days ago
  • The Abigail Article; Martyn Bradbury’s Article, and My Response
    . . This blogpost is different to my usual format of reporting on issues… Since July 1011, I have blogged on a variety of political issues; near always political and/or environmental; mostly highly critical of the previous National Government. Other issues included Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and repression of ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    7 days ago
  • Police will have to wear silly Buckingham Palace hats from now on, says Police Minister
    Those close to the Police Minister believe the initiative may be the result of Nash “seeing a great deal” on AliExpress. In a move that comes seemingly out of nowhere, Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this afternoon that he expects all frontline staff to don bearskin hats, famously worn by ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • A sensible crackdown
    The government has released its Arms Legislation Bill, containing the second tranche of changes to gun laws following the March 15 massacre. And it all looks quite sensible: a national gun register, higher penalties for illegal possession and dealing, tighter restrictions on arms dealers and shooting clubs, and a shorter ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    1 week ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    1 week ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    1 week ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    1 week ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    1 week ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

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