Heatley’s crocodile tears on state housing

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1. just saying 1

   9 August 2010 at 2:19 pm

   Building industry crisis meet public housing crisis.

   ……If only…
2. Draco T Bastard 2

   9 August 2010 at 2:36 pm

   …and the people are still in their houses.

   Well, at least we can be thankful for that.

   What is the Government’s intended outcome here?

   More people in dire straights that will work for tuppence and thereby help keep Jonkeys promise of lowering wages.
3. Tigger 3

   9 August 2010 at 2:46 pm

   I’m tired of this government pretending that they can divest themselves of responsibility and expect philanthropy to fill in the gaps. It can’t (we just don’t have the level of wealth or the number of civic minded rich-listers) and it won’t (in the scheme of things we don’t have a very developed culture of philantropy).

   Of course, maybe Mr Key will tell us where all that money he promised to charity has been going – into state housing? He does have a debt to repay there after all.
4. tc 4

   9 August 2010 at 2:58 pm

   I reckon the state housing situation encapsulates the hypocracy of the nat’s very accurately.

   They happily traded on the image of Sideshow being raised in a State house and Basher being given a leg up on Job Start/DPB/training allowances etc yet less than 2 years in and these are just some of the areas they’re slashing and burning expecting their mates in the private sector to pick up the slack.

   Nothing like using a ladder, claiming it was so important in your upbringing/vision of being a NZilder then promptly torching it first chance once you’re in power without even a vague idea as to what replaces it…..priceless.
   • loota 4.1

     9 August 2010 at 3:47 pm

     Nothing like using a ladder, claiming it was so important in your upbringing/vision of being a NZilder then promptly torching it first chance once you’re in power without even a vague idea as to what replaces it ..priceless.

     They no longer simply pull the ladder away, they set it alight while the poor people are still on it? 😯
5. prism 5

   9 August 2010 at 3:22 pm

   The perfect answer – the gubmint buys up all the leaky homes and puts all the ‘deadbeat’ beneficiaries in them. Perfect solution.

   When I hear about the cost of state housing to the government I wonder how they calculate the return on their investment? Do they revalue to market value regularly, and then look at rent paid as percentage of that? Controlled rents would seem low return to market value. But market value only applies if there is the intention of selling and most state housing should be be staying in public hands. Also revaluing is to enable land taxes, rates etc to be based on current not historical value.

   There should be a way of valuing state housing on a set percentage, plus improvements. The rent should be enough to cover regular maintenance. It may be that the houses are actually self-supporting and paid off after some decades, if there is no market priming on valuations.
   • ghostwhowalksnz 5.1

     9 August 2010 at 3:48 pm

     Prism , its the tradeoff for no capital gains tax on housing profits for homeowners.
     Instead the state funds social housing , which over the life of the house probably covers the cost.
     Its a win win
     • prism 5.1.1

       10 August 2010 at 11:09 am

       ghost.. I am a bit slow sometimes so spell it out for me. Where is the tradeoff? Are you saying that everybody gets something – the poor get state housing provided, and those that manage to get into the housing market don’t get taxed on their profits when selling. Seems a skewed viewpoint to me. The state housing is provided from everybody’s taxes. Why shouldn’t there be some, not a lot, of capital gain tax on those who are in the position to make a profit?
6. prism 6

   10 August 2010 at 10:52 am

   Housing never seems to fire general comment. Yet it is the basis of our standard of living, major part of our savings, the place we conduct our lives, our relationships and nurture our children. When you have no house, not even a home then you are despised and isolated from society. Living rough might seem free and exciting for runaways, but there is danger as the old lady killed in the Auckland park found years ago and there is robbery, rape possible and likely drug and glue-sniffing experimentation from meeting the deranged, debased and malicious.

   State housing of a good quality that is affordable, adequate for its purpose and meeting the needs of its occupant is so important. Housing NZ isn’t a business though it needs to be run efficiently. It needs to care about people and families and have a social conscience. It helps to keep market rents from going through the roof also. It then helps keeps the prices of average houses down, as landlords won’t bid up past where they get a reasonable return in a buyer’s market. Rentals can degenerate in quality if there is a desperate search for anything affordable.
7. Zaphod Beeblebrox 7

   10 August 2010 at 3:40 pm

   I see lots of whingeing about what is wrong with State Housing but no one has even suggested how to provide a solution.

   Banks aren’t lending so nothing is getting built. The rental market is going to get tighter. HNZ has a huge stock of severely deteriorated stock that it will cost $billions to retrofit. This is the result of nearly 60 years of government neglect.

   This problem will take years to fix- yet no-one seems interested in discussing how we can get affordable housing built in a short time frame in locations in proximity to employment. I don’t care which party does it- but we need to get started now.
8. tc 8

   10 August 2010 at 7:08 pm

   ZB: gov’ts the only body who can and should fix it, we lag the developed world in our state housing % of total stock which surprised me as I thought we’d be right up there.

   You can expect more of the same from a crowd who lied their way into power and are hellbent on attacking the sectors of society they perceive as a)not voting for them and b) can’t fight back.
   • Zaphod Beeblebrox 8.1

     10 August 2010 at 7:34 pm

     The Working party made a few suggestions based upon overseas experience re: development authorities/using public and private money and NGOs like iwi and Salvos to help administer. Key said that he would not be reducing public housing- thats something the left should hold him to.

     I’m not sure where Labour sit re:housing policy but I would have thought that those on the left would be interested in exploring new ideas, because what we have done in the past has been a spectacular failure.

     We need to integrate transport/planning/housing and employment policies to solve these problems- can’t see why Labour and the greens can’t push Key (who I suspect is scratching his head what to do) in the right direction.
9. millsy 9

   11 August 2010 at 8:55 am

   Of course, Labour didnt really do much to alleviate the housing problem when it was in power. After buying off the state housing estates with a return to income related rents (a policy that the 1999-2008 administration was reluctant to implement straight away, if I recall – I think it took some lobbying for that to happen), the Head Girl was content to leave our state housing stock in a period of benign neglect, as they call it nowadays, throwing a couple of bones when the polls started to slip.

   All the while, presiding over a property speculation bubble that caused rents (and house prices) to skyrocket (in 2003, the cheapest rent here (NP) was $110, now it is $150), as well as prompting a decline of quality in housing across the board (charging as much as $300 for a shoebox).

   Plus New Zealanders have been forced to go begging to a prejudiced property owning class for accommodation, who take the ‘lord’ in ‘landlord’ a bit too seriously (I do acknowledge that it not the case for all property owners though) – I have heard at least 2 cases where landlords have refused to rent properties to people because they were Maori.

   In early 2008, the Listener ran an expose of the former Mangere mental hospital, being run as a slum boarding house, and the conditions in which the tenants occupiers have to live – mothers and babies alongside mental patients and ex-prisoners. And guess who was in power? Not the blue team. Of course the blue team was blamed for selling off the state housing stock, but the red team somehow forgot that it actually needed to build more.

   Im not really keen on what National has in store for the social housing sector, and I wouldnt want the Sallies or any church group any where near a state house (you would get turfed out for not showing up at Sunday’s service), but Labour never really did anything to solve our housing problems.

   Finally, this whole pulling people’s security thing seems to be a trend – temp jobs, temp welfare, now temp housing.
   • Zaphod Beeblebrox 9.1

     11 August 2010 at 10:20 am

     Nice summary.

     These problems go way back even before 1999. Agreed, the inaction of the last Labour government makes them as culpable as the rest- but trying to apportion blame to either side is a futile exercise.

     Seems to me that when it comes to housing (and construction in general) kiwis seem happy to settle for second best. We allowed thousands of leaky homes to be built in front of noses and we seem to accept people living in 1950s HNZ fibro shacks. Isn’t it about time the voters stand up to government- who are supposed to be taking responsibility for housing our population and make them accountable.
   • Deborah Kean 9.2

     25 August 2010 at 3:54 pm

     “and I wouldnt want the Sallies or any church group any where near a state house (you would get turfed out for not showing up at Sunday’s service),”
     Er, not true, millsy, that Salvation Army are absolutely not like that! They already do as much as they can to help with housing, but they don’t have much money – much like Monte Cecilia…

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