web analytics

Hide begging for his political life

Written By: - Date published: 3:02 pm, October 11th, 2010 - 73 comments
Categories: act, john banks, national, rodney hide - Tags: ,

Well this is a bit sad. Rodney Hide is now publicly begging for his political life:

National needs us, Hide tells supporters

Act leader Rodney Hide has sent a message to the National Party, saying it could lose power if it fails to give him an easy ride in the Epsom electorate next year.

That’s pretty naked isn’t it. Rodney wants an easy ride. Why is he reduced to this?

Mr Hide spoke in Wellington yesterday at the first Act Party regional conference since David Garrett resigned following revelations he had used a dead baby’s identity to get a false passport when he was in his 20s.

Mr Hide did not refer to that episode or the demotion in the weeks before it of Heather Roy as Act’s deputy leader. However, Act’s troubles have prompted increasing speculation that National could stand a strong candidate against him next year to reclaim the Epsom seat in Auckland.

Ohh that’s right, because his dysfunctional party of economic and environmental loony-tunes has publicly self-destructed. Because Rodney got his shot at the big time and blew it all on perks and arrogance. Sad. Meanwhile in other news:

Epsom tipped as place for comeback

Defeated Super City mayoral candidate John Banks says he is taking time to reflect on his future, but people around him expect his name will quickly return to public prominence.

One possibility suggested is Mr Banks standing for the National Party next year in Epsom against Act leader Rodney Hide.

Oh you lucky, lucky Epsom voters. What a choice.

73 comments on “Hide begging for his political life”

  1. Kenny 1

    Hide won’t be around at the next election (why do you think they got rid of Garrett?)… Rodney is going to get rolled.

    They will have a candidate there and National would be foolish to oppose him/her too strongly because the seat is worth more than one MP to either party. What the elecorate make of this is another matter.

    • Zeebop 1.1

      National needs me! Says Rodney.

      National sanction and support ACT because…

      …there is more than one MP to either party… in it for them.

      National, a proclaimed center rigth party, can’t compete without ACT!

      Its own policies are not saleable, because National doesn’t believe in them, it needs ACT!

      It needs ACT in order to switch out moderate policies for further right
      policies while in government – as it has.

      Because supporting and sanctioning ACT does more for National than
      provide an extra MP or two. It means being able to offer a more
      moderate platform at the election, and make it easier when they
      win to move to the right with an ACT ally. In fact it makes it
      harder for them to sell a moderate center if the country has
      had enough og right wing politics.

      Key’s support of ACT at the next general election is thus a
      bad policy, since the country will be offered the choice of
      another three years of looney right ACT-Nationalism, and
      make it EASIER for Labour to win if ACT likely fail to get into
      parliament.

    • Margaret 1.2

      I think John Key may be in the process of dumping Rodney anyway.

      Key wanted Rodney there to do the dirty work so any mud or anger went straight to Rodney and left the National Party squeeky clean.

      Rodney has now finished the dirty job so does John Key need him anymore?

      Remember money men do not make decisions based on how it is going to effect people (skills they do not have) they only base decisions on what it is going to do to the ledger.

      • Draco T Bastard 1.2.1

        Well, the mud has certainly stuck to Rodney and Act but I’m not too sure that National have come out of the partnership spotless.

  2. comedy 2

    Here’s a suggestion Rodney – earn the votes of the public or fuck right off.

  3. prism 3

    Epsom anagram – mopes.

  4. I think “begging for his political life” characterises it unfairly.

    Any third party – be it Greens, NZF, Act, whoever – risks losing not because its policies or its candidate(s) are unpopular but because people worry about “wasting their vote”. Things need to reach a “tipping point” as they did with NZF in 1995 whereby people are confident that a 3rd party vote will count.

    Overcoming that uncertainty is an enormous task, and one I can’t see third party candidates overcoming without deals such as Act has with National in Epsom. It also means an independent, no matter whether they’re the best candidate ever to put their name forward in the history of politics, doesn’t have a hope either. And that, IMHO, is a very bad thing… and one we should be talking aboiut overcoming, not using as a stick with which to beat Act and Hide (when there is a forest full of branches to do that with anyway).

    The slim to no chance of winning without a deal is no reflection on the calibre of the candidate, it’s yet another disadvantage of MMP (which retains FPP for electorate voting). Multi-member electorates with STV would fix this. In such a race both Banks and Hide could stand, and conceivably both could be elected. Or not. That would be a real test of the popularity of both.

    • What you describe as a disadvantage of MMP is a disadvantage of the 5% threshold. Get rid of it and your concern about wasted party votes evaporates.

      • No Graeme I’m talking about the way people think when casting their candidate vote. Each electorate run-off is a mini FPP election.

        You might, for instance, very much like the Act candidate in your electorate but as they aren’t liked much within Act itself they may be too ar down on the list to win a list seat.

        To vote for that candidate as your electorate MP many people would want to feel they had a fair chance of winning and thus that a sufficient number of other voters felt as you did.

        And for an independent, with no list on which to rely, that’s doubly true.

    • Pascal's bookie 4.2

      Hang on a minute mate, the Greens don’t have such a deal, nor do the maori Party, nor did NZ First as far as I can remember.

      And I think it is a pretty big part a reflection on the candidates and policy that they are at that tipping point you accurately describe. Big centrist parties are BCPs because most people like to think of themselves that way. Small ideological parties are SIPs because not many people think of themselves that way.

      The greens got closest to being wiped out in 05 from memory, and that tipping point was certainly an issue. It’s the only time I’ve voted for Labour and I had to get good and drunk to do so, and did so purely because of the risk that they would get 4.* percent and Brash would be PM with all that entailed for the economy, race relations, foreign affairs and all the bloody ragged rest of it. Aside from that though I’m not really seeing where the small parties avoid that problem through deals.

      NZF, Anderton’s solo act, and the Dunnie party survive(d) through having an established pollie with a loyal electorate. It’s only ACT that get in on via the nudge wink wingnut welfare system.

      Of course I could be completely batshit and missing the obvious, but I’d like to be told where.

      • Sean 4.2.1

        NZF, Anderton’s solo act, and the Dunnie party survive(d) through having an established pollie with a loyal electorate. It’s only ACT that get in on via the nudge wink wingnut welfare system.

        Of course I could be completely batshit and missing the obvious…

        No, I think you are on to it.

      • Fair points Pb, and reflective of the fact I didn’t express myself very well in the original comment.

        You’re right about the MP and the Greens… they’ve surpassed that tipping point and it’s a measure of their appeal that they’ve done so. NZF is kinda different… more akin to the Anderton / Dunne factor in that people were really voting for one man, but unlike them in that it wasn’t because of Winston’s performance as an electorate MP. But remember Anderton and Dunne had the advantage of having been MPs for a BCP for a long time; people knew what they were getting. Neither would haver stood a chance as an independent (which, for all their fiction about being party leaders, is essentially what they are). And so had Winston, for that matter.

        And also let’s remember that Dunne benefited many times from facing no, or only token, opposition from one or other BCP.

        I’m envisaging the problem faced by, say, a good candidate who can’t get enough traction in their own party to be ranked high enough on the list to get in that way, or by an independent.

        Saying that such a candidate needs to do a deal whereby they face no real challenge in order to be elected in their own right is therefore somewhat unfair. True, but unfair, in that it’s not the candidate’s fault.

        To take the Epsom example; Act is so knackered that it has no hope of making 5 percent. There may however, be a sizeable proportion of the electorate still prepared to vote for Rodney Hide… but only if their vote isn’t wasted through too many other right-leaning voters casting their ballot for National. National standing a strong candidate would thus frighten them into voting for that candidate even if they truly prefer Hide.

        Not saying that is the situation, just that it could be, and that it’s hard to divine. I’d like to see Hide (and anyone else standing, for that matter) face a situation where they were picked solely on their merits as an MP, with no extraneous considerations clouding the choice. That doesn’t happen under the mini-FPP race that decides each electorate.

        Gawd, that’s probably no clearer… *sigh*

        • Lanthanide 4.2.2.1

          I’m not aiming this criticism at you, but the whole idea of “wasting your vote” in an electorate doesn’t really make sense.

          If you prefer Rodney, but vote for National anyway (when clearly no left-wing party would win the seat), then you have effectively wasted your vote by voting for someone you didn’t want. If you vote for Rodney and he loses, I don’t really see that as “wasting” your vote, unless by doing so you let someone you really don’t like win the seat by splitting the vote.

          • Rex Widerstrom 4.2.2.1.1

            Alright, let’s try a different hypothetical. Let’s look at Mana, which is ideal because there won’t be a party vote consideration at the byelection.

            I’m a left voter. I don’t like the way Kris Fa’afoi was parachuted in. In fact, I’m so pissed of at yet another carpetbagger being put up on the assumption that myself and my fellow voters will automatically tick Labour that I want to go out of my way to make sure he doesn’t get in.

            In terms of individuals, the candidate who impresses me most is from the Greens. But if I cast my vote that way, and not enough other people follow suit, I’ll have “wasted” it. So to send a message to Labour do I vote for Hekia Parata, whom I don’t mind as a person, and just swallow the fact that I’m voting for a representative of a party I don’t like, or take the risk and support the Greens candidate?

            In fact if I’m like a lot of people I’ll watch the polls. Which is why small parties always seem to poll higher than they do on election day. Their support is effectively people hpoing “If I say I’m supporting (say) the Greens, then maybe my neighbours will too”. But then not enough people say so (it doesn’t reach the tipping point), doubt sets in, and they vote “the big party I hate least” come polling day.

            • Margaret 4.2.2.1.1.1

              Right on the button, I like what you say

              You never know though we may get braver as the year goes on and feel we want to vote for our values, and if Labour wants our votes then they have to be greener.

            • Lanthanide 4.2.2.1.1.2

              Sorry, I find your example completely incomprehensible.

              It makes utterly no sense to me whatsoever that you would vote National to teach Labour a lesson, for fear that voting Green is a waste of your vote. If you vote for the National candidate, and they don’t win, have you again “wasted” your vote? Seems all you can do is vote for whoever is going to win, otherwise you will have to consider your vote “wasted”. That makes no sense.

              • Armchair Critic

                My party vote is wasted unless I vote for the National party candidate. Dairy country, no way the farmers will vote any other way. I still can’t bring myself to tick their box, so my electorate vote is always wasted.
                What Rex suggests sort of does make sense. For example, in Epsom at the next general election it might be smart for Labour and Green supporters to vote National for the seat, and Labour or Green for the list. That would mean the National candidate would be more likely to get in for the Epsom seat instead of ACT.
                Having said that, in 2008 it would not have worked. Labour, the Greens and National totalled 16,119 votes, some 4,983 votes behind Hide, who received 21,102 votes. And we would have been blessed had Richard Worth (whatever happened to old Dickie??) instead.
                In 2011 it could be a different story. Who is to say there aren’t 3,000-odd voters out there in Epsom who aren’t that happy with Rodney and ACT.

                • Lanthanide

                  I know where Rex is coming from, but the example he’s given doesn’t make sense.

                  IMO, the only way to say your vote was ‘wasted’ in an electorate vote is if you voted for your preferred candidate who you suspected had no real chance of winning, and a result your 2nd preferred candidate who could’ve won the electorate instead lost to the opposition candidate. In that case, you wasted your vote by voting for someone who was not likely to get in at the expense of your 2nd preferred candidate.

                  The example Rex gave is pathological – you’re not happy with your generally-preferred candidate, so you vote for the opposition to punish them instead? Really in this case it makes more sense to not vote, or to park your vote where you think it is unlikely to harm either way. Of course, under my definition above, if you voted Green instead of Labour and as a result National got in despite G+L having a majority, I would say you wasted your vote by letting the opposition in when you could’ve easily won it had the vote not been split.

            • mcflock 4.2.2.1.1.3

              the other point to consider is that if you want the Green candidate to win, vote for them, and they lose, your vote is still not “wasted”.

              If Labour started getting their votes whittled down towards Green candidates in a single electorate, that is an incentive for the Labour MP to act a bit more green in parliament.

              If Labour lose by just a little bit, National have an incentive to moderate their behaviour or become a one-term govt. Do people really think that the govt would have backed down on e.g. mining, moderated the VSM bill, incrementally introduced 90 day fire at will (as opposed to 1 year FaW for everybody) etc if ACT got 12%? The fact is that they know their grip on power is tenuous, regardless of the polls at the moment. All they need is one big clusterfoulup and the polls will flip like a coin. I’m not saying it will happen, but ACT have learnt that pride goeth before the fall. So has Banks.

              Hell, if we lose the RWC badly enough the govt might lose the election.

              • Colonial Viper

                Hell, if we lose the RWC badly enough the govt might lose the election.

                Hence why Key may choose a date which falls before the start of the RWC.

          • Margaret 4.2.2.1.2

            Never ever would I – vote for Rodney, I must call myself green – red -red – green, either or, which one will get my vote?

      • Lanthanide 4.2.3

        Voting for Labour because of being scared that the greens would only get 4.*% of the vote – what if your single vote was the one that tipped them from 4.99% to 5.00% and got them into parliament, and by voting for Labour and the resulting electoral calculus let National et all slip through the middle? Obviously if the Greens were only polling around 2-3% that’d be another matter.

        Also, looking at it from a ‘worth’ perspective, 1 vote going to the greens who’re sitting at ~5% is worth more than 1 vote going to Labour who’re sitting at ~40%. That 1 vote can either push the Greens over the 5% threshold or increase their MPs from something like 6 to 7, whereas your single vote for Labour might increase their MPs from 50 to 51. If you truly care about green politics, clearly the former is in your best interests.

    • Draco T Bastard 4.3

      There’s two problems with MMP. The electorates and the 5% threshold. The electorates because they’re unproportional and the 5% threshold because it keeps parties out of parliament when they should actually be in there. To fix this we need to get rid of electorates and drop the threshold to 1/120 of the voting population.

      • My thoughts exactly, with one proviso.

        I like the idea of electing MPs at large but given that people don’t pay much attention now (cf the DHB elections where those with A, B or C surnames were more likely to get ticked) it might be asking a bit much to expect people to consider hundreds of names.

        So larger electorates, with multiple MPs, come close to the ideal while keeping things bite-sized.

        • Lanthanide 4.3.1.1

          The ballots are randomized on a per-person basis (any two random people won’t have the same order of candidates on their ballot), so the ABC surname problem has been dealt with already.

  5. prism 5

    To Epsom.

    Pomes –
    I had a little nut tree
    Nothing did it bear
    But a sour kumquat
    And a rotten pear
    The leader of National
    Came to visit me
    All because of my little nut tree.

    • hateatea 5.1

      ROFL.

      If Rodney’s ego wasn’t so out of control that he seems heading towards an imminent trainwreck, one would be tempted to let the ‘nuts’ fall where they may and let he and Banksie duke it out but if Rodney survives his own party’s internal machinations, something needs to be done for the sake of the country.

      The Supercity and ECAN are enough already!

      captcha: subsequent

      • Bored 5.1.1

        Oh how are the mighty fallen?

        Self inflicted wounds ( so lets leave him to finish himself off)>

    • Huang Y.G. 5.2

      @ prism

      Did the leader of the National
      at your little nut tree
      smile and wave
      and take a photoshot?

      • prism 5.2.1

        No Huang YG it was a behind closed doors secret meeting – no pesky reporters around to snitch on the ‘horse-trading’! I’m 99% sure of that.

  6. toad 6

    Banks is yesterday’s man. If National are serious about wanting to see the back of ACT, they won’t stand Banks in Epsom, especially now he is tainted with the Mayoralty defeat. They’ll stand Steven Joyce.

  7. ianmac 7

    In due course I hope MMP adjustment will bring the threshold down from 5% to about 2-3%.

    • Lanthanide 7.1

      I think 3.5% is a nice number. Big enough to make an appreciable difference, but still small enough for a newly-formed party to get in there. ACT might even slip in there with that threshold, but I expect that Dunne and Anderton would probably pick up a few more party votes, as well as NZF. ‘sall good.

      It equates to 4.2 seats btw, current 5% = 6.

      captcha: appreciating

      • prism 7.1.1

        I don’t think we would be served by having less than 3.5% threshhold. I remember hearing about another country with low threshholds and all the rank nutters got in and the place became ungovernable as far as hard decision making was concerned, ie deciding not to go to war, not to use massive retaliations, and sensitive social issues etc.

      • felix 7.1.2

        Isn’t that just creating the same issue at a slightly lower level?

        What’s the rationale for having a threshold any higher than the proportion equal to 1 seat?

        • Lanthanide 7.1.2.1

          As prism alludes to, having a very low threshold, 0.8% as you advocate, would easily lead to many smaller 1-person parties, reducing the ability of the major parties to form stable governments or pass legislation effectively in a timely manner. If you think the tail wags the dog at the moment, it’d be much worse in a parliament with 5-8 smaller 1-man parties.

          • Draco T Bastard 7.1.2.1.1

            I doubt that you’d get that many “1-man” parties.

            And it appears that I owe JA and PD an apology, it appears that they did get enough votes for 1 seat each.

          • felix 7.1.2.1.2

            Hmm. I don’t see any tails wagging dogs. Which tails and dogs do you mean exactly?

            I’d like to see more independents and smaller parties – that would provide for the possibility of a wider range of views i.e. more representation. It doesn’t matter how stupid or crazy or fringe they are, if there’s a constituency for them then they should be there.

            If that means larger parties find it more difficult to dominate the agenda, good.

            The perversity of the current system is that it rewards crazy fringe dwellers like the ACT party with a degree of influence in excess of the size their constituency which is probably in reality closer to the size of the Bill & Ben constituency.

            • lprent 7.1.2.1.2.1

              To take an extreme example, perhaps you should read about the past 60 years of party political history and the subsequent governments in the Knesset? Hardly an inspiring example of lower thresholds.

  8. BLiP 8

    What’s that Winston chap up to these days?

  9. tc 9

    Methinks the ‘banks for epsom’ is either more poetic licence from granny or listening to much to the rantings of a sore loser…either way it’s pretty far fetched.

    Bet M Laws wished he could get every idiotic thought splashed throughout the MSM….oh hang on, shit he does already damm.

    • Akldnut 9.1

      umm Poetic – Epsom – Poems

      There was a young man named John
      Who really thought he was the key
      To solve Aucklands problems in one foul swoop
      So onto it, he set Rodney

      Now Rodney was full of shit
      He stole our democracy
      After he screwed us all, well he took a hit
      By taking his girl to see “Disney”.

      Now Rodney was lining us up
      He had the super city dead in his sight
      But when he left us out and set up his mates
      He found we don’t die with out fight.

      He thought that his mate Banks
      Would clean up the scum with ease
      He mis-understood that the crew from the hood
      Would bring Banksie to his knees

      Now Banksie’s got nowhere to go
      He thinks “Epsom’s a nice place” you know
      I’ll put up my hand and show that one man band
      That it’s National that runs this show.

      Poor Rodney he got it amiss
      And that Banksie, he’s just a clown
      They got their arse kicked and we take the piss
      Cause they all live in Brown Town

  10. Tiger Mountain 10

    The fact that ACT is not widely supported is what Hideney has to face. Threatening Helen Clark on the electorate, ooh scary, and undignified brown nosing of National won’t cut it for ACT in the end.

    Tweaking the threshold is needed, 4% might be a bit closer to an optimum level that would keep the “total raving looney party” out while granting parliamentary seats to parties that have a genuine level of popular support.

    • ianmac 10.1

      Not sure of the maths but even at 1% the “loonies” would have to be pretty organised and if they were that good, then perhaps they deserve to be “in.”

  11. STV isnt that what they call “first past the post in drag”!

    National know they can’t fool the population into going back to FFP thats why they have chosen STV being careful not to push it too much, they are still hopingthey cann still say “trust me I know what I am doing”.

    Maybe that’s the problem NZ’s have realised they can’t trust this man.

    • STV “FPP in drag”?

      Where are you getting your information?! Not according to the UK Fabians (that post is a guest one, written by a professor who authored an STV scheme promoted by the Lib Dems, but I assume they agree with his opinons) or local academics either.

      As the second linked article summarises things quite neatly:

      Arguments in favour of STV emphasise its fairness and its potential to effectively represent the preferences of voters. There are fewer wasted votes and those elected are more likely to have the support of a majority of voters – we will be more able to identify someone on council we have contributed to electing. Arguments against STV, though, emphasise its complexity in requiring voters to rank candidates, count votes and allocate preferences. [my emphasis]

      So while there are arguments to be mounted against it, “FPP in drag” certainly isn’t one of them.

    • toad 11.2

      No, Margaret, not with multi-member electorates. But that gets too difficult in New Zealand, because to make it reasonably proportional, the South Island and Maori electorates woul have to be huge, which detracts from the local democracy principle.

      I think in New Zealand the better option would be to have under MMP an AV/PV (Alternative Vote/Preferential Vote) election for the electorate MPs, where voters have can rank candidates, rather than just pick one, and with the preferences of the bottom polling candidates being reallocated until there is a clear winner.

      Possibly add onto that a prohibition on candidates being both electorate candidates and on the Party list.

      The combination would give voters much more ability to get rid of MPs they don’t like.

      And drop the threshold. Much as I hate the racist and populist politics of NZFirst and wish they would disappear forever, it is a travesty of democracy that they failed to get any MPs into the current Parliament despite polling higher than ACT or the Maori Party.

      But these are all reforms to MMP – not alternatives to it, as I think it is the most democratic electoral system we can have, although its current form could be improved on.

      • prism 11.2.1

        toad I found it a bore ranking my hospital board votes instead of just voting for the people I want. I rated someone 3 that I was going to rate 9 even though I was trying to do everything correctly. It is more work when you have 7 or 12 to vote for and have to read up candidate booklets. FPP was easy – and to say that voters will find STV better than MMP is a mistake. More voters are going to be put off by the demands of the STV system.

        In Australia parties know that people get flummoxed and will hand them cards showing the best way of citing preferences to agree with any deals that have been made between parties and candidates. It is a bit dodgy and the clean system can get diluted as I think, is already the case of giving progressive counts for loc bod elections while still in progress. I haven’t read when the count for DHB will be finished either. That election seems to fade in interest which gets focussed on loc bodies.

    • Draco T Bastard 11.3

      I think you’re thinking of SM rather than STV.

      • toad 11.3.1

        I presume that reply is to Margaret, rather than me. I think SM is a dog of an electoral system. It is basically FPP, with a few scraps for the parties that can’t win an electorate. On that basis, a party could get 25% of the vote, but still only 4 or 5 seats.

      • KJT 11.3.2

        SM. Sado-masochism is voting for NACT or Labour. Unless they both see the futility of the current economic and political system.
        We should have democratic control of our country. Not politicians.

        http://kjt-kt.blogspot.com/search/label/Politics.%20Democracy.

        “Follow Switzerland and make New Zealand’s Government arrangements
        a democracy instead of a pretend one.
        We should control our country, not, 122 self appointed incompetents, the OECD or IMF, or a bunch of failed idealisations from a few true believers in neo-liberalism.”

        • Draco T Bastard 11.3.2.1

          We should, yes, but we need to be sure that people are making informed choices first rather than irrational ones.

          • Lanthanide 11.3.2.1.1

            See also: California’s massive debt and repeated failures to raise taxes due to direct democracy.

            • KJT 11.3.2.1.1.1

              See also New Zealand parliaments repeated policies which are not supported by most of us.

              Direct democracy may have prevented Muldoons spending for election bribes. The 1984 Labour Governments throwing the baby out with the bathwater, Ruthenasia etc.
              We would have also had women’s suffrage and Gay rights sooner as it was the politicians that held them up.

              One unpublished study here showed that most people, given a choice of policies only, preferred green Policies. The same people when given a choice of parties chose John Key. Go figure.

              See also Wisconsin and other US States responsible decisions from BCIR. Why quote one State and one decision. Research shows that decisions arrived at by BCIR are often better and better supported by research than those made by Politicians. If people have to make a decision themselves they tend to look into it more deeply.,

              The political parties in the States are also reducing taxes to the extent they cannot pay back debt or support disadvantaged people. It is a reflection of their society, not the type of Government.

              People did make an informed and rational choice here given the available options. The only way in NZ to get rid of a parties policies you do not like is to vote in the lot you did not like last time. We only have the choice of Neo-lib heavy or Neo-lib slightly lighter.

              Lastly as “No right turn” says. “Even if we make the wrong decisions at the end of the day it is our decision to make”.

          • KJT 11.3.2.1.2

            True.
            Unlike some though I do not believe capitalism and a decent socialist society are mutually exclusive.
            The problem with badly regulated or un-regulated capitalism is the cheats prosper.

            Capitalism is fine as a means of resource allocation if it is DEMOCRATICALLY regulated to take externalities into account and so people cannot cheat the system.

            New Zealander’s as a group have proven to have a pretty good sense of fairness and justice. I think we can be trusted to get it right more often than a self selected group of marginally competent politicians.

            Often when some one says the public’s choices are un -informed it is simply because it is not “their choices”.

  12. gingercrush 12

    I dislike STV simply because I believe it adds too much complication and you would have to give parties more power. Because for STV to truly work you need to rank all candidates with those you want numbered first and those you really don’t want numbered last. Parties would have to give out those details presumably on polling day as they do in Australia. STV itself I believe would actually be a turn-off for many voters who simply could find themselves unwilling to vote.

    That doesn’t mean STV is wholly stupid. The idea that if your first choice doesn’t make it but someone else you like does certainly has its merits. Hence why for New Zealand I prefer the idea of an additional/alternative vote for both electorate and party votes. If you supported New Zealand First in 2008 its highly likely you would have preferred a Labour run party. If you were an Alliance supporter no doubt you’d prefer a Labour-Greens government. Under this scenario if your party does not make the required threshold then your additional vote is included so if you chose the Greens, they’d have an extra vote. Some votes would remain wasteful if for instance your first vote was the Alliance and your additional vote went to the RAM party. But I think on the whole instead of the 5% or more wasted vote we had in 2008 you’d get far less. Remember as it stands the wasted vote as such is passed onto all those parties that did make it into parliament. So the 500 or so RAM voters last election, most of those would have gone to National.

    The real strength would be in electorate battles where electorates like Auckland Central went to National because the Green candidate attracted a large number of votes. In any election you could have about 5-8 different results with an additional/alternative vote. It could also be used strategically for instance in Epsom at the 2005 election. Hide won that electorate by 3, 102 votes. The Labour candidate had 6, 000 votes compared to Worth’s 12, 000 votes. In such a situation a Labour voter may well prefer a National electorate MP over Hide being the electorate MP.

    In regards to the threshold. I think there does need to be a threshold. Having no threshold could give way too much power to parties that attract 1 or 2% of the vote. There is enough public upset over how much power Act, New Zealand First, Alliance, United Future have had with Labour and National government let alone parties with even lower support. 4% as originally suggested would be an idea. A threshold is also necessary as while a party could enjoy 1% vote its probable most of the country actually wouldn’t want such a party represented.

    • Draco T Bastard 12.1

      A threshold is also necessary as while a party could enjoy 1% vote its probable most of the country actually wouldn’t want such a party represented.

      It’s not up to the rest of the country to decide who represents you (Most of the people didn’t want act represented in parliament :P). Then there’s the minor technicality that the Progressives and the Peter Dunne party are in parliament with significantly less than 1% of the vote. To put that in perspective 1% of the vote is about the same as an entire electorate. Both PD and JA got plurality, not majority.

      You have to have a threshold but it should be set high enough so that 1 person voting for himself doesn’t get into parliament but also low enough so that if a party gets enough votes to represent 1 seat then they actually get 1 seat (1/120 for a 120 seat parliament). It’s not that much different from what we have now except that parties that are presently kept out by the biased system would get the needed representation.

    • Lanthanide 12.2

      There is no real requirement that you rank every single candidate in an election under STV. In fact, leaving some candidates unranked is actually worse than ranking them in the bottom half of the sheet. If they’re in the bottom half of your ranking, they could conceivably still get a vote attributed to them. But if you don’t rank them at all, then they don’t get a vote under any circumstances.

      As such, what you’ve described with alternative/additional vote is essentially STV where you get to rank #1 and #2 only, and no more. In terms of simplicity I think this would be a workable solution (people have difficulty understanding 2 votes as it is, let alone being forced or allowed to rank every candidate).

  13. ron 13

    There is a simple solution:
    National should stand Banks
    ACT should stand Rodney
    If EITHER of them get in we should chuck Epsom out of the Union – because they simply shouldn’t be allowed to continue being so STUPID.

    Captcha – nowhere

    • RobertM 13.1

      A fail safe test of the IQ and EQ and vision of the Remuera voter. And if those three abilities exist in Auckland and NZ.
      Compare with what comes out of the richest London, Jo-Burg and Melbourne seats.
      Mr Hooton I think you should retire early to a nice little bungalow on the Sydney shore. I agree with the NBR analysis. But is there really any pointwhen you stoop to being Johns errand boy and speech writer.

  14. swordfish 14

    Yep, Margaret’s definitely thinking about SM rather than STV. Nact’s pushing for SM because it “sounds” like a proportional system but, in fact, is very similar to FPP in its consequences.

    STV certainly has its advantages but I’d agree that most punters find it just a little too complex. I’d stick with MMP, establish the threshold at 100,000 party-votes (rather than a percentage), and – ah, what the hell ! – make voting compulsory as well (as in Aussie).

    Traditionally, Labour voters (especially those on the lowest income) are the least likely to turnout. Compulsory voting should therefore add, what ?, another 10, perhaps 15 % to the Labour/Centre-Left vote ? Permanent Centre-Left government. Works for me !

    • KJT 14.1

      Labour has not been left or centre left for some time. Even with 9 years of opportunity they still continued with Neo-lib policies only slightly salted with some of those we normally associate with left wing Government.

      Which i strongly suspect, along with a lot of “we know best” is why they lost the election.

  15. Ian 15

    Sad? Piss off, it’s funny.

Links to post

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • Those people deserve a flat white
    The pandemic has shown us how effective our public service is. They've pulled together a massive policy response, from a lockdown to economic support to healthcare to planning how to keep everything running when this is over, and done it in next to no time. They are heroes, who have ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 hours ago
  • Halfway there (maybe)
    New Zealand is now officially halfway through its first 4-week lockdown period. The good news is that it seems to be working - people staying at home has reduced the potential for the virus to spread, and we've had steadily decreasing numbers of new cases over the last few days ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 hours ago
  • A pandemic Peter Principle.
    In 1968 Canadian sociologist Laurence Peter coined the phrase “Peter Principle” as a contribution to the sociology of organisations. It explains that in complex organizations people rise to the level of their own incompetence. That is, they get promoted so long as they meet or exceed the specified criteria for ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    7 hours ago
  • Hard News: Music is coming home
    The practice and business of music has been one of the sectors most gravely impacted by the virus sweeping the world. The emphatic nature of our government's response, necessary as it was, has slammed the industry and the people who work in it.There are New Zealand artists – Nadia Reid, ...
    8 hours ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 14
    . . April 8: Day 14 of living in lock-down… The good news first: the downward trajectory of new cases appears to be a real thing. In the last four days, since Sunday, new infections have been dropping: Sunday: 89 new cases Monday: 67 Tuesday: 54 Today (Wednesday): 50 The ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    10 hours ago
  • Anti-fluoridation propaganda now relies on only four studies. 5: Don’t censor yourself
    The anti-fluoride movement wants to restrict your reading to “just four studies.” They actively ignore or attempt to discredit other relevant studies. Image credit: Censorship in media. For earlier articles in this series see: ...
    14 hours ago
  • “Lord, give us Democratic Socialism – but not yet!”
    Not Now, Not Ever, Never! The problem with Labour's leading activists is that there is never a good time for democratic socialism. Never. They are like Saint Augustine who prayed to the Almighty: “Lord, give me chastity and self-control – but not yet.” In the case of Labour "junior officers", however, ...
    15 hours ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #14, 2020
    17 hours ago
  • The Few are on the run, again, it still won’t stop reality catching up…
    We are seeing what has been termed “a greater challenge than the crash of 2008” by a growing number of economists and more rational, sane commentators, because whilst that was a shocking exposure of the levels to which hubris had sunk, right down to the blank cheque given those who ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    1 day ago
  • Speaker: Locked down in Jersey City
    I am a Kiwi living in Jersey City, New Jersey. Jersey City is the second-largest city in the state and is located directly across the Hudson River from downtown Manhattan. Locals call it New York’s sixth borough. More than 350,000 New Jersey citizens, including myself, commute to New York daily ...
    1 day ago
  • Expanding houses
    It’s  a beautiful autumn afternoon, we need to get out of the house, and so our bubble sets off on a bike ride around our local neighbourhood, Cambridge Park. The bikes come out of the garage, and, being really certain we have a front door key, close the garage door ...
    SciBlogsBy Marcus Wilson
    1 day ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 13
    . . April 7: Day 13 of living in lock-down… and unlucky for those who are superstitious. A day when there was a ray of sunshine from an otherwise bleak day of worrying signs. Today, as RNZ reported; Director-General of Health Ashley Bloomfield reported 54 new confirmed and probable cases ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 day ago
  • A UBI in Spain
    So far, universal basic income policies, which see people given a regular income without any conditions, have been trailed only on a small scale. But now, Spain is introducing one nationwide as a response to the pandemic: Spain is to roll out a universal basic income (UBI) “as soon as ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 day ago
  • Anti-fluoridation propaganda now relies on only four studies. 4: Till et al (2020)
    Paul Connet, head of the anti-fluoride propaganda group, Fluoride Action Network, claims that the IQ of children bottle-fed in fluoridated areas drops by 9 points. But he misrepresented the research. There is no observable effect. For earlier articles in this series see: Part 1: Anti-fluoridation propaganda now relies on only ...
    2 days ago
  • The Role of Government
    The Queen’s coronavirus broadcast, with its overtones of Winston Churchill and Vera Lynn, prompted me to reflect on the tribulations my parents’ generation suffered during the Second World War – and I imagine that those parallels, given her own wartime experience, were very much in the Queen’s mind as she ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 days ago
  • The irreversible emissions of a permafrost ‘tipping point’
    This is a re-post from Carbon Brief by Dr Christina Schädel Across vast swaths of the northern hemisphere’s higher reaches, frozen ground holds billions of tonnes of carbon.  As global temperatures rise, this “permafrost” land is at increasing risk of thawing out, potentially releasing its long-held carbon into the atmosphere. Abrupt permafrost ...
    2 days ago
  • How to complain about MDC’s unreasonable LGOIMA charging regime
    Back in February, the Marlborough District Council increased the mount it charges for LGOIMA requests. I used the LGOIMA to poke into this, and it seems the case for increased charges is unjustified: the supposed increase in request volumes it rests on is an artefact of the Council suddenly deciding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 12
    . . April 6: Day 12 of living in lock-down… Another day of a near-empty Park N Ride carpark; . . And another day of near-empty Wellington streets; . . . Light traffic on the motorway. No apparent increase in volume. Commercial vehicles sighted; a gravel-hauling truck; McAuley’s Transport; a ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    2 days ago
  • A Lamentable Failure of Imagination.
    Imagination By-Pass: Had the Communications Minister, Kris Faafoi (above) taken a firm stand with Bauer, reminding them of their obligations to both their staff and the wider New Zealand public, then a much more favourable outcome may well have ensued. He should have made it clear to the Bauer board ...
    2 days ago
  • Simon Bridges can’t connect
    We all know that Simon Bridges has, at the best of times, an intermittent relationship with the truth. However you would think that during a pandemic and economic crisis the current opposition leader would pull his head in and start to do the right thing.Obviously leading by example should be ...
    3 days ago
  • Anti-fluoridation propaganda now relies on only four studies. 3: Riddell et al (2019)
    Connett promotes Riddell et al (2019) as one of the only four studies one needs to read about fluoridation. But he misunderstands and misrepresents the findings of this study. Image credit: Fluoride Action ...
    3 days ago
  • Could the Atlantic Overturning Circulation ‘shut down’?
    This is a re-post from Carbon Brief by Dr. Richard Wood and Dr. Laura Jackson Generally, we think of climate change as a gradual process: the more greenhouse gases that humans emit, the more the climate will change. But are there any “points of no return” that commit us to irreversible ...
    3 days ago
  • The biggest challenge for a generation ahead – covid-19. Defeat and Recovery
    Last month I wrote my blog on covid-19 pointing out the in our pre Alert Level 4 days that a subject no one had heard here months ago was now dominating the media. An amazing feature of this crisis is how quickly it has swept every other issue aside worldwide. ...
    PunditBy Wyatt Creech
    3 days ago
  • Testing for COVID-19 in NZ to Achieve the Elimination Goal
    Nick Wilson,1 Ayesha Verrall,1,2 Len Cook,3 Alistair Gray,3 Amanda Kvalsvig,1 Michael Baker,1 (1epidemiologists, 2infectious disease physician, 3statisticians) In this blog, we raise ideas for how New Zealand might optimise testing to both identify cases in the community as part of the COVID-19 elimination strategy, and to confirm when the virus ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    3 days ago
  • Should we all be wearing face masks to prevent Covid-19 spread?
    Maybe you’ve seen the graph that says those countries where everyone wears a mask are the ones that have managed to keep Covid-19 under control? The first thing to say about that claim is that those countries also did lots of other things, too – they acted fast, with intense ...
    SciBlogsBy Siouxsie Wiles
    3 days ago
  • 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming Digest #14
    Story of the Week... Editorial of the Week... Toon of the Week... Coming Soon on SkS... Climate Feedback Claim Review... SkS Week in Review... Poster of the Week... Story of the Week... North Atlantic's capacity to absorb CO2 overestimated, study suggests Research into ocean’s plankton likely to lead to ...
    3 days ago
  • The Americans are trying to kill us all again
    The Treaty on Open Skies is one of the most effective mechanisms for preventing war curently in force. By letting countries make surveillance flights over each others' territory, it eliminates fears that they are secretly preparing for war. So naturally, the US is planning to withdraw from it: The Trump ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 11
    . . April 5: Day eleven of living in lock-down… My one day of rest for the week, and an opportunity to mow my lawns – which I’d been delaying for about three weeks. (On the plus side, the damp micro-climate in my back yard yielded three lovely fresh mushrooms ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    3 days ago
  • Now we know what the rules are
    As the lockdown has gone on, disquiet about what the rules were and the police's enforcement of them has grown. On Friday, Police admitted that they were abusing routine traffic stops to effectively set up illegal checkpoints, and on Saturday Stuff revealed internal police advice saying that they actually needed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Anti-fluoridation propaganda now relies on only four studies. 2: Green et al (2019)
    Paul Connett is putting all his eggs in one basket. He says “you only have to read four studies” to find community after fluoridation harmful. Image credit: Fluoride Action Network newsletter. For part 1 of this series see Anti-fluoridation propaganda now relies on only four studies. 1: Bashash et al (2018). Paul Connett, ...
    4 days ago
  • Hard News: Splore Listening Lounge 2020: the road to a “yes” vote
    As far as anyone can say, New Zeaand still has a general election scheduled for September 19 this year. The election will be accompanied by two referenda, one of which will ask voters:Do you support the proposed Cannabis Legalisation and Control Bill?The official campaign period for the cannabis referendum begins ...
    4 days ago
  • Obituary for The New Zealand Listener (1939-2020)
    The vast majority of tributes to the Listener hearken back to its glory days, with little reflection on the magazine as it was at its end.I wrote for it, for half the Listener’s life; I have known personally all the editors except the first (mythical) three. From 1978 to 2014 ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    4 days ago
  • Universal income – a challenge to capitalism or a crutch?
    As the world economy slides rapidly towards deep recession there are growing calls for a Universal Benefit coming from some leftists and rightists. Now Finance Minister Grant Robertson is saying it is on the table.  This article by a French party Workers Struggle provides analysis of various forms of universal ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    4 days ago
  • Anti-fluoridation propaganda now relies on only four studies. 1: Bashash et al (2018)
    This is the advice from the very top of the anti-fluoride movement – Paul Connett, director of the Fluoride Action Network (FAN). Don’t worry about reading  up on all the scientific information “You only have ...
    4 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 10
    . . April 4: Day 10 of living in lock-down… I wake up to a fine Saturday morning which normally would be like an early Christmas. But it’s Day 10 of Level 4 Lock Down. What  will my fellow New Zealanders be doing on a day like this – staying ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    4 days ago
  • Redline reaching out to more writers & readers
    Some time during the night we went over the 850,000 views mark. We might have had our millionth view by the end of this year – certainly by early next year. Most of the people involved in Redline spent years and years producing various small left-wing papers and selling them ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    4 days ago
  • Keir Starmer elected
    Comfortably, in the very first round, with an impressive 56% of the votes.I wonder, did members of the Shadow Cabinet start tweeting their resignations during Starmer's victory speech, or is that only a trick the right pull?It is odd how all the talk of how the next leader "needs to ...
    5 days ago
  • Hard News: Michael Baker and the Big House
    One of the key voices in this extraordinary time in which we live is that of University of Otago epidemiologist Professor Michael Baker. Philip Matthews did an an excellent job this weekend of capturing the way he became the man for this moment in a profile for The Press.But one ...
    5 days ago
  • New Zealand Gives up on Trying to Save Daylight
    New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern addressed the nation today about the decline in daylight New Zealand has been experiencing over the previous few months. She said “As many of you will notice, our attempts to stem the dwindling of the daylight over the last few months have been completely ...
    Can of wormsBy Can of Worms, Opened
    5 days ago
  • A bulletin from Greece
    Redline received this article from the KOE a Marxist party in Greece Our friends in the KOE describe here the mounting crisis in Greece and tensions on the Turkish border. As desperate people flee from their homelands which have been ruined after decades of imperialist wars and interventions the people ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    5 days ago
  • And God spake all these words, saying
    As the first week of Level Four lockdown unfolded, mounting questions grew as to just what was (and was not) allowed under its “rules”. Partly these were driven by some apparently contradictory messages from different authority figures and explanations carried in the media. Partly they reflected a somewhat sketchy legal basis ...
    PunditBy Andrew Geddis
    5 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 9
    . . April 3: Day 9 of living in lock-down… Another late-start to my work day. Everything is temporarily upended as clients are shuffled around so we can minimise our “bubble” by reducing the number of people we help. One of my colleagues has been removed from his clients; his ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    6 days ago
  • Death to our lockdown enemies!
    We must root out the traitors among us! ...
    Imperator FishBy Scott Yorke
    6 days ago
  • Climate Change: The benefits of electrification
    In order to meet our 2050 carbon target and do our bit to avoid making the Earth uninhabitable, New Zealand needs to decarbonise our economy, replacing fossil fuels with electricity in the energy, industrial and transport sectors. The good news is that it will mean cheaper power for all of ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 8 (sanitised version)
    For those folk who find my other Lock-Down Diary versions too “negative” or otherwise unpalatable… Here’s a photo of a pretty flower, .   . Better? Tomorrow’s Sanitised Version: a cute animal video. . . . =fs= ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    7 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 8
    . . April 2: Day eight of living in lock-down… Today, my work day starts late. Our rosters and clients have been dramatically changed, lessening (theoretically) the number of people in our work “bubble”.  If just one of us catches covid19 the impact could be considerable as Grey Base Hospital ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    7 days ago
  • A note on apartments and bubbles
    As Aotearoa enters week two of lockdown, it’s clear we’re all still working out what our “bubbles” look like and how to stay in them to stop the spread of Covid-19. New to the government’s Covid-19 website is some good guidance for people living in apartment blocks. Recent decades have ...
    SciBlogsBy Siouxsie Wiles
    7 days ago
  • Getting in futures shape 
    “There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen.” Lenin Don’t we all know that feeling now.

    Prospect Magazine alerted me to this particularly apt quote. It is a much more evocative quote than Hemingway’s “gradually then suddenly” which is also doing ...

    SciBlogsBy Robert Hickson
    7 days ago
  • Maybe axing Clark would be unfair. But what about any of this is fair?
    Yesterday was the day the consequences of the lockdown suddenly got very real for many. Firms have been closing and laying people off since the outset of the quarantine but this has mostly been happening out of the public eye. The mass closure of a number of iconic New Zealand ...
    PunditBy Liam Hehir
    7 days ago
  • Might a ‘Coasean’ social contract mitigate overall societal harm from COVID-19?
    Brian Williamson1, Prof Nick Wilson2 (1Economic consultant, UK; 2University of Otago Wellington) In this blog, we outline how a win-win social contract could be forged to address the major dimensions of response to the COVID-19 pandemic when using a mitigation strategy: the particular need to protect older people from high ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    7 days ago
  • Returning To “Normalcy”.
    Resuming Normal Service: The Republican Party's nominee for in 1920, Warren Harding, promised the American people: “not heroics, but healing; not nostrums, but normalcy; not revolution, but restoration”. If she wishes to remain our prime minister, then Jacinda Ardern will offer New Zealanders the same.HOW EDUCATED AMERICA snickered when the ...
    7 days ago
  • New Zealand’s Government Must Save New Zealand’s Media.
    No Free Society Without A Free And Functioning News Media: If we are to surrender our civil rights to the broader cause of defeating Covid-19, then foreign corporations must, likewise, surrender their right to inflict immense economic and cultural harm on New Zealanders simply because it improves their bottom line.I’M ...
    7 days ago
  • Corona fevers and the madness of models
    by Daphna Whitmore A third of the world is under lockdown and a clear assessment of this measure to curb the spread of COVID-19 is urgently needed.  With any high-stakes decisions it has to be asked what are we dealing with here? Are the measures warranted? Will they achieve their ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    7 days ago
  • Lockdown day 8
    I haven’t done a huge amount in the last few days. I’m reading The Poppy War and I’ve sort of poked at a couple of games – I started SOMA but I’m a wimp and I quit while in the first room after the brain scan. I might try it ...
    The little pakehaBy chrismiller
    1 week ago
  • Backstage and Theatre
    The swan politicians may be gliding on the water, occasionally snapping at one another. Meanwhile, as the Covid19 crisis illustrates, the officials are desperately paddling below providing the real locomotion. One of the most fatuous recent grandstanding comments (of about a week ago), adding to the public’s anxieties, was ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    1 week ago
  • Legal Beagle: Waiver, the singular Crown and the conduct of Crown legal business
    Much has been written about the importance of discretion in an emergency situation, and the concerns raised by the potential for it to be exercised arbitrarily. Given the quality of the discussion, there seemed little point in adding to it at any length. In particular, I point to the evidence ...
    1 week ago
  • Highlights from Bauer Media’s science-related reporting
    Today has felt surreal. I was all set to touch base online with my science communication students when a colleague shared the news that Bauer Media would be shutting down its publications immediately. The first link I saw implied it was Woman’s Weekly affected, and even that shocked me. But ...
    SciBlogsBy Sarah-Jane O'Connor
    1 week ago
  • Outsiders.
    Bogeymen, Real And Imagined: Is the number of psychopathic and sociopathic individuals in any given society truly as vanishingly small as we like to tell ourselves? Isn’t it more likely that the mass-shooters and serial-killers filling the headlines represent only the tip of a much, much larger iceberg of frightfulness? ...
    1 week ago
  • We have a right to know the rules we are expected to obey
    Outgoing Police Commissioner Mike Bush appeared before the Epidemic Response Committee today, who asked him for the rules police are using to enforce the lockdown. He refused:Police Commissioner Mike Bush has admitted the advice given to Kiwis about what they're able to do during the lockdown hasn't been clear enough. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 7 (sanitised version)
    For those folk who find my other Lock-Down Diary versions too “negative” or otherwise unpalatable… Here’s a photo of my cat, . . Better? Tomorrow’s Sanitised Version: a pretty flower. . . . =fs= ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 7
    . . April 1: Day seven of living in lock-down… This morning I had a brief chat with one of my neighbours, “D” (social distance between us, a good three or four metres). I learned he had resigned from his previous job and had been hired by another company – ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • RIP The Listener, New Zealand’s pioneering voice
    Funnily enough, my thought as I start this post is whether it will be well written enough. Or should that be well enough written? Because so much of what I know about good writing came from my two stints at The Listener, which this morning was shut down due to ...
    PunditBy Tim Watkin
    1 week ago
  • OK, Britney: stop sniping at National for doing its job
    With normal democratic procedures in abeyance, there were two ways to go. First, it was open for the government to dissolve itself and invite the National Party to join a ministry of national salvation. That would have lessened the democratic deficit of the times by having a team of rivals without ...
    PunditBy Liam Hehir
    1 week ago
  • Helpful tips for parents during lockdown
    Dr Kirsty Ross Children and young people can respond differently in times of distress. This also varies by age and developmental stage, with younger children having more magical and imaginative thinking, and older children having more awareness and knowledge of the issues our communities are facing (which brings up ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #13, 2020
    1 week ago
  • Hungary is now a dictatorship
    Hungary has been a virtual dictatorship for a decade now, as Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has gradually eroded its democracy. But now, its official, with the passage of an indefinite emergency law allowing rule by decree:Hungary’s parliament has passed a new set of coronavirus measures that includes jail terms for ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A new Ministry of Works
    While the economy is on pause under lockdown, the government is beginning to plan how to cope with the post-lockdown, post-tourism, post-export education world we will eventually find ourselves in. They're planning a lot of infrastructure spending as economic stimulus, and have asked for proposals which can start the moment ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Capture: Well spaced out
    It's my distraction,  setting up tiny scenes to photograph.  I've got stuck on the Babushka dolls for now.  Something about their bubble shape.  Something about their never changing, smiling features, suggesting persistent equanimity.  Can we get through everything that is being thrown at us and keep at least a tiny ...
    1 week ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 6
    . . March 31: Day six of living in lock-down… This time I managed to sleep a little longer and the alarm woke me at the pre-set time: 6.55am. Then remembered I was working a later shift and could’ve slept in. Oh well, there are things to do at home. ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • March ’20 – NZ blogs sitemeter ranking
    Image credit: Diamond Harbour School Blogs I notice a few regulars no longer allow public access to the site counters. This may happen accidentally when the blog format is altered. If your blog is unexpectedly missing or ...
    1 week ago
  • Hard News: Poll Pot and the partisans
    Yesterday's Horizon poll showing support for a "Yes" vote in this year's cannabis referendum sliding into the majority for the first time in a year looked like good news for reformers – and it probably is. But the result warrants some scrutiny.The poll is the fifth in a series commissioned ...
    1 week ago
  • Why those bubbles are so important
    For almost a week now, every one of us who isn’t an essential worker has been confined to their bubble. We are allowed to go shopping for groceries, to visit the doctor, and to get a bit of exercise if we stay local. The reason we are doing this is ...
    SciBlogsBy Siouxsie Wiles
    1 week ago
  • A Government System That Works
    The Covid-19 saga will no doubt produce many twists and turns for us before it is finally brought to an end. But one thing it has shown us – and what comfort it should bring us – is that our country’s government is in good hands. I am not thinking ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • Smashing down the barriers: Where are we at with COVID vaccines?
    In the absence of a vaccine or a cure for a deadly disease, staying home in your bubble is what you do, the concept is not new.  To the best of my knowledge last time we did this in NZ was for polio, in the years before a vaccine came ...
    SciBlogsBy Helen Petousis Harris
    1 week ago
  • National Network on Cuba (USA): “Cuban medical solidarity is a pillar of its society and is founde...
    The following statement was released on March 28 by the National Network on Cuba, a coalition of 40 groups, based in the United States. In recent weeks, Cuba has deployed hundreds of medical providers to over a dozen countries in Europe, Asia, as well as to their neighbors in Latin ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago

  • Decisions made on urgent turf maintenance
    The Sport and Recreation Minister Grant Robertson has announced that urgent maintenance of turf and care for plants in non-plantation nurseries will soon be able to go ahead under Level 4 restrictions. “The Government has agreed that urgent upkeep and maintenance of biological assets will be able to go ahead ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 hours ago
  • Acknowledging an extraordinary te reo champion
    E tangi ana a Taranaki iwi, e tangi ana te ao Māori, otirā e tangi ana te motu. Mōu katoa ngā roimata e riringi whānui ana, mōu katoa ngā mihi.   E te kaikōkiri i te reo Māori, e Te Huirangi, takoto mai. Takoto mai me te mōhio ko ngā ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    8 hours ago
  • Prime Minister’s remarks halfway through Alert Level 4 lockdown
    Today is day 15 of Alert Level 4 lockdown. And at the halfway mark I have no hesitation in saying, that what New Zealanders have done over the last two weeks is huge. In the face of the greatest threat to human health we have seen in over a century, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    10 hours ago
  • Licenses, WoFs and regos extended under lockdown
    All driver licences, WoFs, CoFs, and some vehicle certifications, that expired on or after 1 January 2020 will be valid for up to six months from 10 April 2020, Transport Minister Phil Twyford has announced. “People shouldn’t have to worry about getting fined for having an expired document if driving ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    13 hours ago
  • Inquiry report into EQC released
    The Government has today released the report from the Public Inquiry into the Earthquake Commission chaired by Dame Silvia Cartwright.  Minister Responsible for the Earthquake Commission Grant Robertson says the Government wants to learn from people’s experiences following the Canterbury earthquakes and other recent natural disasters. “Dame Silvia’s report documents ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    13 hours ago
  • More time for health workers and elderly to get flu vaccine
    The Government has extended by two weeks till April 27 the amount of time priority groups, such as health workers and those aged over 65, have to get their flu vaccine before it is made available to the wider public. This year’s vaccination campaign is a key component of the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    16 hours ago
  • Communities step up to help New Zealanders stay connected and fed during lockdown
    Communities stepping up to help New Zealanders stay at home to break the transmission of COVID-19 and save lives have received Government support, said Minister for Social Development Carmel Sepuloni. “Delivering groceries for the elderly who can’t shop online, providing data packs for low income families to keep them connected, and being ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • 120 COVID-19 testing centres now operating
    Across New Zealand 120 sites are taking samples to be tested for COVID-19.   68 community based assessment centres (CBACs) have been established to take samples from people with COVID-19 symptoms. Alongside this, 52 other centres including designated general practices, swabbing centres, and mobile clinics are now testing people for ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Covid19: Government moving quickly to roll out learning from home
    The Ministry of Education is working with partners to develop a package of options so that students can learn at home when Term 2 begins on 15 April, Education Minister Chris Hipkins said today. Supports are also being prepared for households with children under five, to help parents and whānau ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Making learning from home accessible to Māori learners and whānau
    Māori Television to begin educational te reo programmes Ki te Ao Mārama – a new online learning space Thousands of hard copy learning packs ready for distribution Helpdesk and advice service for kōhanga, kura and wharekura Television, the internet and hard copy learning packs are some of the ways whānau ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • New Zealand to provide assistance to Vanuatu following Tropical Cyclone Harold
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters has announced an initial package of support to help the people and the Government of Vanuatu respond to the impact of Tropical Cyclone Harold. “Our Pacific neighbours have been hit by a Category 5 Cyclone at the same time as dealing with the economic impacts ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Planning for the future of tourism
    Tourism New Zealand to lead work reimagining the way tourism operates in post-COVID-19 world. Ministers to review International Visitor Conservation and Tourism Levy investment plan. The Government, industry and business are working together to develop a plan for how tourism will operate in a post-COVID-19 world, Tourism Minister Kelvin Davis ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • NZ horticulture sector feeding Kiwis and the world during COVID-19
    More New Zealanders are taking up the chance to work in horticulture as the sector keeps New Zealanders fed and in jobs during the COVID-19 Alert Level 4 lockdown. “Our horticulture sector has long been one of New Zealand’s export star performers, contributing around $6 billion a year to our ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Work to repurpose PGF funds begins
    The Provincial Development Unit is working through applications and projects to see where Provincial Growth Fund money can be repurposed for initiatives deemed more critical to fighting the economic impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones says. “We need to be throwing everything we have at ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • A million workers supported by Govt wage subsidy
    The Government’s wage subsidy to protect jobs and keep workers and businesses connected during the lockdown has now supported over a million New Zealanders, with $6.6 billion already paid out. “We’re supporting businesses to pay wages, and stay connected with their workers so that we are all in a better ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Government helps Pacific communities fight COVID
    The Government is stepping up efforts to help protect New Zealand’s Pacific communities in the fight against COVID-19. Cabinet has agreed that $17 million will be allocated to support a COVID-19 Pacific Response Package, which will: Support Pacific health and disability services facing increased demand; Ramp up public health messaging ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Statement from the Prime Minister on Dr David Clark
    “Yesterday evening the Health Minister advised me of his trip to a beach during the lockdown and offered his resignation,” Jacinda Ardern said.  “Under normal conditions I would sack the Minister of Health. What he did was wrong, and there are no excuses.  “But right now, my priority is our ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Statement from David Clark
    Last night as part of my preparation for the Epidemic Response Committee, I provided the Prime Minister with a complete picture of my activity outside my home during Alert Level 4.  That included the fact that on the first weekend of the Alert Level 4 lockdown I drove my family ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • COVID-19 mental health support begins
    A range of support is being rolled out across New Zealand to help people look after their mental health during COVID-19 Health Minister David Clark said this morning. “COVID-19 has brought a lot of uncertainty into our lives and many of us will be feeling some level of distress or ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • New Zealanders in Peru to be assisted by Government charter flight
    The New Zealand Government has made arrangements to charter a flight for New Zealanders stranded in Peru to depart the country, following agreement with the Chilean government to allow the necessary transit through Chile, Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters announced today. “Like many travellers around the world at the moment, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • COVID-19 Hospital Preparation Well Advanced
    Hospital preparations for COVID-19 are well advanced says Health Minister David Clark. “Hospitals across New Zealand are repurposing buildings and training staff to get ready for COVID-19 patients. This gives me confidence that we are well prepared for any potential increase in COVID-19 patients needing hospital level care,” said David ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Further measures to support businesses
    The Government will be introducing legislation to make changes to the Companies Act to help companies facing insolvency due to COVID-19 to remain viable and keep New Zealanders in jobs. The temporary changes include: Giving directors of companies facing significant liquidity problems because of COVID-19 a ‘safe harbour’ from insolvency ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Govt’s COVID plan, economic strength recognised
    The Government’s plan to cushion the blow of COVID-19 by supporting incomes, jobs and businesses, and position the economy to recover has been backed by another international report. International credit rating agency Moody’s today reaffirmed its highest Aaa credit rating on New Zealand, saying the economy is expected to remain ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Government supports air services to offshore islands
    The Government has stepped in to support vital air links to our offshore islands, the Chatham Islands, Great Barrier Island and Motiti Island, Transport Minister Phil Twyford announced today. “As part of our $600 million support package to minimise the impacts of COVID-19 on the aviation sector, the Government has ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Funding certainty for sports through COVID-19
    National sports organisations have been given certainty of funding to ensure they can remain viable through the COVID-19 pandemic, Sport and Recreation Minister Grant Robertson announced today. “The global spread of COVID-19 has had a significant impact on sport and recreation in New Zealand, including the cancellation or postponement of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Butchers now allowed to process pork
    Changes have been made to allow butchers to process pork, only for supply to supermarkets or other processors or retailers that are open, Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor has announced. “We carefully weighed the risk of allowing butchers to open their shops for retail customers, but the risk of spreading COVID-19 ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Essential workers leave scheme established
    Essential workers who take leave from work to comply with public health guidance are being supported with a leave scheme to ensure they will continue to receive income, say the Minister of Workplace Relations and Safety Iain Lees-Galloway and Minister for Social Development, Carmel Sepuloni. A number of essential businesses ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Govt WhatsApp helps share COVID-19 information
    A Government WhatsApp channel has been launched to help make information more easily accessible and shareable in the fight against COVID-19. Govt.NZ, which is free to use on any mobile device, will carry information and news for the public, businesses, healthcare providers, not for profits and local government. It can ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Managed departure plan for stranded foreign nationals enables safe, orderly exit
    The Government has announced a plan to enable the safe, orderly exit of tens of thousands of stranded foreign nationals from New Zealand during the current COVID-19 Alert Level 4 restrictions, Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Winston Peters has said. “When we moved into lockdown a week ago, the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Government delivers COVID-19 support to GPs and Pharmacies
    Health Minister Dr David Clark says the Government is delivering on its commitment to support general practice doctors and nurses, and pharmacies on the front-line of our fight against COVID-19. "For us to overcome COVID-19, we need community health services such as general practice and community pharmacy to step up ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Susan Thomas the new Chief High Court Judge
    Justice Susan Thomas has been appointed Chief High Court Judge, Attorney-General David Parker announced today.  She replaces Justice Geoffrey Venning who has resigned from the position.   David Parker paid tribute to Justice Venning, who he said had stewarded the High Court very capably over the last five years.   “On behalf ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Business Finance Guarantee – applications open
    Businesses can start applying to their banks for loans under the Business Finance Guarantee Scheme set up to support the New Zealand economy during the COVID-19 pandemic. “We’re moving quickly to protect New Zealand businesses, jobs and the economy during this unprecedented global economic shock,” Finance Minister Grant Robertson said. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Work starts on ways to fast-track consents to boost recovery from Covid-19 downturn
    Work is underway looking at measures to speed up consents for development and infrastructure projects during the recovery from COVID 19, to provide jobs and stimulate our economy.  Environment Minister David Parker said the COVID-19 pandemic is a serious global crisis that will have a wide ranging and lasting impact ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Advance payments to support contractors
    Advance payments will be made to transport construction industry contractors to retain the workforce and ensure it is ready to quickly gear up to build projects which will be vital to New Zealand’s COVID-19 economic recovery, Transport Minister Phil Twyford announced today. He said keeping the workforce required to build ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Government seeks infrastructure projects
    The Government has tasked a group of industry leaders to seek out infrastructure projects that are ready to start as soon as the construction industry returns to normal to reduce the economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, Economic Development Minister Phil Twyford and Infrastructure Minister Shane Jones say. The Infrastructure ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Health system scaled up to prepare for COVID-19
    Work to scale up the health system in preparation for COVID-19 was today outlined by Health Minister David Clark, as he reported back to the new Epidemic Response Committee. “We are well placed to contain the spread of COVID-19. We have taken early and decisive action at our borders, and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Essential media COVID-19 guidelines refined
    The Government is refining its COVID-19 essential business guidance to include the distribution of news publications for communities which are hard to reach. The Minister of Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media, Kris Faafoi, said the move was in recognition of the importance for New Zealanders who might be harder to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Supermarkets able to open on Easter Sunday
    The Government is ensuring supermarkets can open on Easter Sunday so we can buy groceries, but stay closed on Good Friday allowing workers to take a break. This provides a balanced approach and ensures we avoid large queues that two days closure may cause. “Supermarkets will be able to open ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • New Zealand defence personnel conclude mission at Taji
    Following the successful conclusion of the Building Partner Capacity (BPC) mission at Taji, New Zealand defence personnel are returning to New Zealand from Iraq, in accordance with the Cabinet decision made in June 2019, Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters and Defence Minister Ron Mark announced today. “New Zealand is very ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • State of National Emergency extended
    The State of National Emergency to help stop the spread of COVID-19 has been extended for a further seven days, Minister of Civil Defence Peeni Henare said. The initial declaration on March 25 lasted seven days and can be extended as many times as necessary. “Since we went into isolation ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago