web analytics

How does Labour keep the momentum?

Written By: - Date published: 7:11 am, February 2nd, 2015 - 216 comments
Categories: Andrew Little, labour, leadership, polls - Tags: ,

Labour have bounced back well from the disastrous election result. Key ended last year floundering in the swamp of his own lies, while Little’s “cut the crap” summed up the public mood. Little’s ratings are now the “best since Clark“, and Labour is up in the most recent poll. Labour now has the platform of a by-election to get some early focus on its new team, and while concrete policies are likely to be few, we should hear a lot about Labour principles.

So far so good. But how does Labour keep the momentum? How do they win back public support in the high 30’s or better? Where to from here?

216 comments on “How does Labour keep the momentum?”

  1. The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 1

    The poll shows Labour taking support from the Greens and NZ First. There is only so much momentum that can be gained in this way. Until Labour can draw support from people presently voting National, the left block is no better off.

    • Pete George 1.1

      There’s time for that.

      NZ First always drop off support between elections. The key with them is stopping them picking up votes off Labour leading up to the election in 2017.

      And Green support was always probably inflated by Labour’s weaknesses, so it’s inevitable that a stronger Labour will eat into Green support.

      It’s a promising start for Little and Labour’s recovery. But as Little acknowledges it’s just one poll and there’s a lot of work to do yet. There always is a lot of work to do in politics.

    • weka 1.2

      The poll shows Labour taking support from the Greens and NZ First. There is only so much momentum that can be gained in this way. Until Labour can draw support from people presently voting National, the left block is no better off.

      Thanks for parroting the Crosby Textor dogwhistle that Labour have to be National lite, but you’ve forgotten about the non-vote. Pretty sure that the publicly posting pollsters have too.

      • lurgee 1.2.1

        It is questionable how much of the non-voting public can be persuaded to vote – particularly by a party in opposition. It strikes me as likely that people who aren’t bothering to vote against National in the last three elections simply don’t care very much. I suspect it is going to be pretty difficult to change that perception.

        It is also likely that any party that is appealing to the non-voting public would probably lose votes elsewhere, due to the policies it would have to embrace – and likely still fail to replace them with fired up non-voters.

        I don’t like this, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to ignore it.

    • Saarbo 1.3

      Agree. And for this to happen then National’s 50% voters need to realise the cunning liars that they really are, there needs to be a series of really dodgy issues that get landed onto Key/Nats…like this “personal issue”????: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11395228

      Combined with this, Labour have to fight as a cohesive electable unit…and Little is clearly leading by example.

      I think things are on track.

  2. The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 2

    [Stephanie: deleted – duplicate of 1.0 above]

  3. gsays 3

    hi there, to get/keep momentum, they need to appeal to the greed and selfishness of the middle class. the ‘blow the bridge, i’m over’ brigade.

    announce that there is a rethink on cgt, lowering pension age.

    meaningful, perhaps radical tax reform, (first $25,000 tax free) or a universal benefit.

    stop talking in intangibles, (we are going to create jobs, be fairer etc.)

    what is talked about is specific, about what will be done.

    i liked hones’ approach: ‘to feed the kids at school, cost $38 million. cost of soldiers in afghanistan $40 million. bring troops back and feed the kids!’

    not so much the actual idea but the straight forward approach. 25 words, cost neutral, kids fed. job done.

    also when you want healthy growth a good hard prune in summer is advised.

    • “..stop talking in intangibles, (we are going to create jobs, be fairer etc.)..”

      ..yeah..cut the wall-t-wall aspirational-bullshit…

      ..and start laying out alternate/concrete-plans..

    • Lanthanide 3.2

      “meaningful, perhaps radical tax reform, (first $25,000 tax free) or a universal benefit.”

      Little has already signalled he’s interested in a UBI (he voluntarily brought the discussion up in an interview with Kim Hill).

      I’m hoping that, should he win in 2017, one of his first actions would be to signal government interest in a UBI.

      • gsays 3.2.1

        hi lanth, what i am getting at is not waiting till 2017 but start now with one or two simply understood ideas.

        start controlling the narrative.

        the example of hones’: simple and hard to negate (who doesnt want children to be fed).

        know your target audience and unfortunately they are greedy and selfish.

        • Lanthanide 3.2.1.1

          Andrew has already said it’s too difficult to signal significant reform from opposition, because they simply don’t have the resources to fully study or flesh-out the policy. Hence his pulling back on the CGT and raising the pension age – these are policies to be fought on in 2020, not 2017.

          Trying to suggest a UBI prior to the 2017 election would get nowhere.

          • Colonial Rawshark 3.2.1.1.1

            Hi Lanth, I agree in many ways. However, discussions around the UBI and related initiatives should occur within the broadest circles and opinion makers of the left now, well before the 2017 election campaign.

  4. vto 4

    ” But how does Labour keep the momentum? ”

    so simple

    stick to the plan

    most people fail in their endeavours due to a lack of discipline in failing to stick to the plan.

    after all: labour must know what to do having been a political party longer than any organisation in the country. It must know who the people are who have voted elsewhere of late and it must know what those people want or need to be pulled back to Labour. Labour must also know how to put those wants and needs into their policy, leadership and party. This is the knowledge part. Does Labour know these things? I suspect yes.

    Next, it must put these things into action. It seems to be doing these things. Tick.

    Finally and most importantly, it must keep doing these things. Keep doing it and doing it and doing it and doing it. Don’t stop. Don’t get diverted, Don’t give up. Stick to the plan and grind it out.

    here endeth the lesson of 2c school

  5. Colonial Rawshark 5

    There needs to be a draft proposal (not policy) or two which is seen as mildly “radical” as gsays states above, which help shake people out of their complacency but which get ordinary people talking about good ideas which extends Labour’s chosen narrative around the future of work.

    This isn’t about getting people to agree with the proposals, but to show them that Labour is putting forward important alternatives for discussion.

    Also, Labour needs to be using this time to build alternative media and communication channels. Relying solely on the MSM is a lost cause.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 5.1

      Alternatives for discussion…meanwhile, the media finds the most radical discussion proposals and publicises them as though they were fully formed policy: lightbulbs and showerheads.

      Or not. I suspect the MSM may have decided it’s Labour’s turn. Which is more toxic?

      Spot on about alternatives, CR.

    • Lanthanide 5.2

      Are you suggesting party proposals (rather than official party policy), which 98% of the population don’t hear anything about except as they’re filtered through the media?

      You want a repeat of Man-Ban so soon?

  6. TheBlackKitten 6

    Little has a good start with his ‘help small businesses plan’ now what he needs to do is supply good policies to back that statement up.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 6.1

      Higher wages will help small businesses by making sure they have customers.

      • phillip ure 6.1.1

        “..Higher wages’ (+ increasing benefit-levels) ‘will help small businesses by making sure they have customers..”

      • TimBuk2 6.1.2

        Higher wages will in most, if not all cases, hurt the small business having to pay them.

        There’s only so much money any one business can make available to pay wages, so any increase in rates will have to be made up somewhere else, i.e. reduced hours or even reduced staff numbers.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 6.1.2.1

          Minimum wage went up nine times in nine years under Lab5, median wage rises outpaced inflation – unemployment fell to its lowest level since the 1970s.

          Any time you want to give up parroting drivel would be a good time.

  7. short answer:

    ..do a mea culpa over neo-liberalism/austerity-politics/policies..

    ..return/turn to their roots..

    ..and promise a fairer society..

    ..to break the cycle of poverty/inequality..

    ..and detail how this will be delivered..

    • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 7.1

      That was Cunliffe’s plan, wasn’t it?

      • phillip ure 7.1.1

        initially..

        (..and he/labour surged in the polls in response to those promises..remember..?..)

        ..but by election-time the neo-libs in labour..had washed all of that away..

        ..to the extent cunnliffe went on tv a week out from the election..

        .and confirmed that labour would promise give s.f.a./nothing meaningful to the poorest..

        ..(and labour slumped/failed..remember..?..)

        • gsays 7.1.1.1

          hi phil, time to get out the secauters, loppers, or even a chainsaw and prune, and prune hard.

          • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 7.1.1.1.1

            Move further left and Labour will suffer the same fate as Mana.

            People don’t like left wing ideas.

            • phillip ure 7.1.1.1.1.1

              “..People don’t like left wing ideas..”

              tell that to the greeks/spanish/portugese/scots/irish..

              ..and did u miss the bit about labour surging in the polls at the vaguest hint of labour doing just that..?

              • Paul

                The Croatian government has written off its poorest citizens debts.
                There’s an idea for the Labour Party.

                ‘Starting Monday, thousands of Croatia’s poorest citizens will benefit from an unusual gift: They will have their debts wiped out. Named “fresh start,” the government scheme aims to help some of the 317,000 Croatians whose bank accounts have been blocked due to their debts.’

                http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/croatia-wipes-out-the-debts-of-thousands-of-its-poorest-citizens-in-fresh-start-scheme-10016484.html

                • Paul

                  And this in the same article.

                  ‘Prime Minister Zoran Milanovic has convinced multiple cities, public and private companies, the country’s major telecommunications providers, as well as nine banks to clear some of their citizens of their debt. The government will not refund the companies for their losses.’

                  The last sentence is particularly telling.

                  • Colonial Rawshark

                    Ahhh very interesting.

                    There are a lot of ways of doing this, should a government wish to.

                    For instance, every citizen 18 and over to be given $500: if there are any outstanding debts they shall be cleared first on the condition that all penalties and interest are written off, and any net remainder shall go into the citizen’s Kiwi Saver account.

                    No moral hazard, everyone benefits, including the creditors, and provides an instant boost to the economy.

                • Michael

                  Unlike recent New Zealand governments, who merely wrote off their poorest citizens.

            • vto 7.1.1.1.1.2

              People don’t like left wing ideas …. yet they participate willingly in them all day every day

              examples being :

              Collective behaviour to provide basics like health care.
              Cooperative structures being used right this instance all across the entire business sector.
              Ensuring all people are provided with life’s basics via welfare

              perhaps you could point to some base structures in our society which are not left wing….

              People DO like left wing ideas ….. there is simply confusion out there about what is right and left …. thanks to labours ongoing suction to neoliberalism

            • Paul 7.1.1.1.1.3

              Have you been following news from Greece?

            • phillip ure 7.1.1.1.1.4

              ‘cos..y’see..oleo..u r going to have to face the fact that the sun is setting on that ideology (that has served you so well..eh..?)

              ..quite apart from the wholesale rejection globally of yr fucked neo-lib/austertity-bullshit..

              ..another leg of yr three-legged stool of political-obsolescence..

              ..is that the effects of climate-change will force societies/countries to work more co-operatively..

              ..it won’t be too long before that ‘individualism’ you so prize/use as your excuse to not give a flying-fuck about anyone else..

              ..will be seen as the toxic-thinking that it is..

              ..the flawed thinking/ideology that got us here in the first place..

              ..and something/a human characteristic to be reviled..

              • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell

                What will you do when the collective (no doubt led by Giovani Tiso) bans your individualised punctuation for the public good?

                • i shall go underground..

                  ..and will form ‘the punctuation liberation army’..(the p.l.a..eh..?..)

                  ..we will start with some low-key ‘correcting’ of advertising billboards..

                  ..and escalate it from there..

                  ..(and is that all ya got..?..in defence of yr beloved/crumbling-‘belief’..?.

                  ..whoar..!.)

                  • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell

                    You rugged individualist, you.

                    • it’s the libertarian in me..

                      (i’m a mix of the fuck-off! to mindless-authority/regulation aspects of libertarianism..

                      ..but underpinned by a belief in the role of govt./society to protect/support all citizens..

                      ..and i can argue a u.b.i.on libertarian (tinged with/by revenge) grounds..

                      ..as in a u.b.i would enable the dismantling of work and income..

                      ..and how fucken sweet wd that be..?..)

                      ..but as for the pressing punctuation-issues..?

                      ..the p.l.a.-manifesto will explain all..

                    • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell

                      A UBI was part of Douglas’ flat tax plan, as I recall. Scuppered by the cuppa.

            • The Pink Postman 7.1.1.1.1.5

              that sort of thinking is why labour has lost the last elections.
              Labour in fact needs to move well to the Left and it does this by building up the unions and recruiting workers at their place of work.
              Just have a look at the two most recent elections where the Social Democrats have moved well to the Left, Greece and Queensland,
              The worker in the UK are crying out for a Left Wing Labour party , NZ.Labour must return to its Socialist beginings . Which means victory..
              People have had enough off Asset selling and people sleeping rough, out of work and low wages .A Left-Wing labour party will land slide.

              • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell

                Why don’t those people crying out for a more left wing party vote Mana? Only 34,000 did.

  8. Chooky 8

    How does Labour keep the momentum?

    ATTACK! ATTACK! ATTACK!

    ….and cooperate with the other Parties on the Left!…a united coalition is required this time around!

    • Tiger Mountain 8.1

      glad you added the “co-operate” line Chooky, their attacks last year often seemed aimed at the left!

    • Skinny 8.2

      +1 Start the attack in Auckland.

      Foreign speculators buying houses & housing land banned.

      Stricter rules around new migrants settling in Auckland straight off the plane, quantified skill shortage positions only, if position can not be filled by a Kiwi. Apply to settle in a regional city or town 5 years timeline before eligible to move to Auckland or Christchurch, and possibly Gore too?

      Auckland congestion tax for higher income earners, discount fuel card for those who use public transport, provide valid transport card at servo.

      Capital Gains Tax ring fenced to the million dollar (houses) suburbs, likes of Remmers, Epsom etc.

      • Paul 8.2.1

        Renationalise the power companies.
        Set rates for electricity and gas so there is no heat poverty in the country.

  9. Atiawa 9

    Labour can’t do without the union movement and the union movement needs Labour. Any plan around jobs and wages requires a closeness of association between the two.
    I have some ideas how that may be expanded to the benefit of all. Do you?

    • well..speaking for me only of course…no..i don’t..!

      ..do share..!

      ..or are you lobbing the opening-volley in a game of ‘i’ve got a secret..!’..?

      ..do we have to guess..?

      ..is there a prize for getting it right..?

      • Atiawa 9.1.1

        I’m a bit rushed for time today Piripi. But for Labour to continue the momentum based on “cut the crap John” and better & more jobs and wages (state of the nation) they need the support of the union movement – governments don’t lift wages, workers acting in solidarity through their unions do that -!
        Unfortunately and for a variety of reasons union membership is low. I know unionists are not sales people, however I am aware that leadership within the union movement is constantly looking at recruitment methods for increasing membership. A bad boss is a great recruitment tool, and there are plenty of them out there in the business world, supported by employment law that encourages bad employer behaviour and a power imbalance that can only be rectified through work place collectivism.
        The Employment Relations Act (2000) supposedly promotes collective bargaining. It is by no means perfect and its basic principles have been diluted in recent times, allowing employers to walk away from bargaining and in some instances not even front up to bargaining. Unions achieve good results for their members in comparison to non union work places, especially in work places where there is a high density of members – strength in #’s -. For greenfield sites unions are reluctant to bargain for a new collective agreement unless there is majority support (60%+) from the workers they intend to bargain for or the boss is prepared to accept an already established union industry standard.
        Heres the rub.
        The bargaining process for a new collective agreement commences when a union advises an employer through an Initiation of Bargaining notice (IoB) of it’s intention to bargain a collective employment agreement (see section 40 & 41 of the ERA). Provided section 42 is complied with – fundamental requirements- i.e. the notice is in writing, identifies the parties (employer & union(s)) & identifies the intended coverage of the agreement, the employer is required within 10 days of receiving the notice to advise all employees, regardless of their union membership, of the notice and the intended coverage (section 43).
        There is no requirement for unions to have members at a work place before initiating for bargaining. Of course bargaining proper wouldn’t commence until the union recruited sufficient members. Between the actual initiating and the bargaining proper, unions are able to recruit and organise (educate) the workers. The IoB notice can be withdrawn at any time or can stay in place for as long as necessary. The freedom of choice remains – the workers can tell the union official to piss-off. There is no compulsion.
        Every work place in the country could receive an initiation notice or more realistically the union movement could pick & choose which employers they initiate with.
        Now. Would that give job’s & wages some momentum? Whats there to lose? Lets find out!

    • Skinny 9.2

      A word of advice, be careful with the Union talk, I mentioned the ‘U’ word and got a nastily insulted by a chap called Hooton who lurks around here. All I did was agree that a cotton picker who hadn’t received a pay rise since Key took office deserved one. Called me a union muppet, very rude.

    • Colonial Rawshark 9.3

      The future of work is in no profit and low profit co-operatives and mutual organisations.

      Unless unions modernise their vision beyond that of helping workers deal with management and owners, their future role is going to be limited.

  10. Paul 10

    Look at the formula Syriza have followed in Greece.

    Speak to the media like Greek Foreign Minister Varoufakis.

    “As a fan of the BBC, I must say I was appalled by the depths of inaccuracy in the reporting underpinning this interview (not to mention the presenter’s considerable rudeness). Still, and despite the cold wind on that balcony, it was fun!”

    Watch the whole interview here.
    After showing its bias over Scotland, the BBC takes the side of the bankers when discussing Greece.

    • Colonial Rawshark 10.1

      That guy is pretty good with the press…

      I like the way he has previously described the enforced austerity of the Troika as being “fiscal waterboarding” of Greece.

  11. ankerawshark 11

    I think Labour will benefit from “keeping it simple, stupid” for the people out there that are dumbed down by the likes of Paul Henry, Sean P et al.

    I really loved a lot of Labour’s policies last election (disagreed with some too). But it was too detailed, too academic, too what good for the country e.g. needing to raise super cause its unaffordable (not my view, view of retirement commissioner). Evidenced based policy is loss on the masses, who want a new car, a bigger bbq and a rental property.

    Simple messages, not too many of them. The details need to be well worked out by Labour behind the scenes and brought out if and when needed. Or for those who are really interested in knowing how it all works and how much its going to cost, keep it readily available.

    Hats off to Andrew. He’s doing very well. Glad I voted for him.

  12. Jamie 12

    How about sack Mr Little and get Stuart Nash as their leader – the bloke’s the pick of the bunch and is the only one with a bit of dash

    Am so sick of these cardboard cut-out stooges and the msm who talk them up

    Does the media have no shame???

    Do they bother to do their jobs anymore or are they just there for a paycheck???

    Does a computer illiterate truck driver have to show them what’s what???

    Let’s have a look at Mr Little’s background and leadership credentials…

    https://r1016132.wordpress.com/2014/12/08/andrew-little-stooge-sells-freedom-in-time-for-xmas/

    “Studied philosophy, law, and public policy at Victoria University”

    Lawyer stooge

    “His first job was as a solicitor for the Engineers Union”

    Never worker a day in his life on the docks, the factory floor, the roads, the farms, no nothing!!!

    Not trade qualified, never done any time in the armed forces, no volunteer work or community service.

    Never built or run a company.
    The blokes not even a labourers asshole!!!

    His biggest claim to fame is flatting with Robyn Malcom back at uni – FFS!!!

    He is nothing but an APPARATCHICK!!!

    Is this is the best leadership a generation can put forwards???

    I know 20 year olds with more talent, more heart, more integrity, and are more qualified than these pieces of sh*t they keep holding up as if they are worthy of respect and leadership!!!

    I am thoroughly disgusted!!!

    • Paul 12.1

      Do you think the Labour Party should be taking advice from a member of the ACT Party?

    • Skinny 12.2

      “How about sack Mr Little and get Stuart Nash as their leader – the bloke’s the pick of the bunch and is the only one with a bit of dash.”

      A new leader so soon? Little has just got his feet under the table.
      Stuart Dash Nash you reckon.

      Gave me a good laugh reading your spray cobbah lol.

      • Jamie 12.2.1

        It’s true what I say, Mr Little has no accomplishments of note, never did his time and is unworthy of respect or leadership

        Stuart ‘Dash’ Nash – I like it, has a nice ring to it

        • Colonial Rawshark 12.2.1.1

          Stuart’s a pragmatic careerist who holds a very high opinion of himself. He’ll bend left or right depending on who is willing to finance his campaigns and introduce him to the right circles.

          • Jamie 12.2.1.1.1

            I seen him speak out against the TPPA at a protest rally

            • Paul 12.2.1.1.1.1

              Who did you vote for last election?
              National?

              • Jamie

                Don’t get me started on national and that treasonous John Key, that crook should be in the slammer

                I was recently returned from working over in Western Australia for 4 years so I was a bit behind the play, I voted for Act based on their ‘Mans house is his castle’ law (a good policy)

                Too bad Act are a bunch of liars run by a ridiculous still wet behind the ears David Seymour – seriously this entire country is stuffed if candidates like that are the cream of the crop

                https://r1016132.wordpress.com/2014/12/01/on-point/

                I know who I should of voted for

                • Paul

                  Someone who voted ACT is not really the correct person to be advising the Labour Party.
                  The ACT Party does not believe in the concept of society.
                  Labour and the Greens do.
                  There are other political blog sites where you will find like minded folk to yourself.

                  • ghostwhowalksnz

                    hes just a sock puppet. The hand behind the sock is just spouting ACT nonsense. he doesnt have a progressive bone in his body, its all right wing nonsense

            • Colonial Rawshark 12.2.1.1.1.2

              Thanks for the irrelevant comment.

        • vto 12.2.1.2

          “Mr Little has no accomplishments of note, never did his time ”

          But you speak solely from the point of view of a self-described illiterate truck driver – it is no wonder you don’t have a full understanding of accomplishments and ‘time’ that others in our society achieve.

          You are too singular and narrow and it makes your view a bit worthless.

          • Paul 12.2.1.2.1

            I sense a tr***

          • Jamie 12.2.1.2.2

            Hey I did my time in the armed service

            https://r1016132.wordpress.com/2015/01/14/rip-able-seaman-byron-solomon-lest-we-forget/

            I done community service

            https://r1016132.wordpress.com/2014/12/06/baptism-of-fire-lifesavers-and-heartbreakers-pt1/

            I’m going back to trade school to up-skill

            And I said computer illiterate

            -not illiterate vto

            • vto 12.2.1.2.2.1

              How do those things qualify someone to have a superior understanding of what makes for a properly functioning society?

              Still too narrow and singular, especially the armed forces one ……

            • One Anonymous Bloke 12.2.1.2.2.2

              Having a stack of copy-pasted faith-based right wing fantasies in place of thoughts will prevent you from learning anything.

              I hear the National Party is looking for a new MP though.

            • Colonial Rawshark 12.2.1.2.2.3

              It ain’t the USA mate, having served in the defence forces doesn’t get you patriotic applause.

            • Murray Rawshark 12.2.1.2.2.4

              I got community service once too. It was a big relief, because I really thought the beak was gonna give me a lag.

          • The lost sheep 12.2.1.2.3

            When The Revolution comes the Proletariat will remember your words VTO.
            🙂

            • vto 12.2.1.2.3.1

              if you had thought first before posting you would have seen that Jamie’s words and their implied meaning were simply reflected back to him – aint nowt to do with me

              • The lost sheep

                You won’t get out from under the guillotine that easily.
                It is YOU that clearly draws a linkage between Comrade Jamie’s occupations and the lack of ability to comprehend what ‘others’ in society do.

                A cut and dried case of bourgeois / intellectual contempt for the glorious working classes. Sharpen up the blade i say.
                🙂

                • vto

                  no it was him – read again

                  • Jamie

                    To the lost sheep

                    You best not be lumping me in with your commie socialist revo wet dream

                    I hate commies

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      Redbaiter’s got a parrot 😈

                    • vto

                      Hey Jamie, just curious. How are people supposed to trust the armed services to act in the best interests of the people of NZ in light of the fact that the armed services act for the Queen. And that history shows this to be the case for example during the NZ Land Wars and also for example apparently when Fiji underwent its first coup.

                      Most armed services around the world spend as much time pointing their guns at the residents as they do at foreign bad guys.

                      All (including our) armed services scare the shit out of me for what they have done in this guise over the millenia

                    • Jamie

                      “All (including our) armed services scare the shit out of me” VTO

                      That’s coz your a [r0b: and I’m going to moderate too – trying to stop gendered insults when I notice them] and a commie

                      [lprent: And you are a stupid moran with about as much sense as a possum crossing the road. Almost certainly never been a soldier, just a thick pissant armchair warrior who jerks off to war movies.

                      Any ex-soldier like myself is always hyper-aware of the military and the damage from weapons. Everyone including play violence junkies like yourself should be as well.

                      Your comment was also very very close to the bounds of pointless abuse. I strongly suggest that you read the policy before I kick your lazy stupid blowhard arse off this site. ]

                    • vto

                      resort to abuse and misunderstanding

                      I knew you would mis-read and respond as you have to those words. Typical brain-dead queens mercenary

                      I meant they scare the shit out of me for what it means for our country, not that I am personally scared. Bloody idiot.

                      edit: your response there to my question about trusting the queen’s jackboots provides an implied answer, thanks. Namely, you and your type cannot be trusted. You are just as likely to turn your guns on us as foreigners. I don’t trust you and don’t like you, or what you represent. Boofheads with bazookas

                    • vto

                      Jamie, if I might ask you another question as it is difficult to confront military in person about various things…….

                      Why does the military involve itself in the Anzac remembrances every year? After all it was the military that created the Gallipoli folly and caused so many to die.

                      Anzac commemorations should be solely about the men that died and nada to do wiith those who caused their death. The military should butt out.

                    • Jamie

                      So the lost commie sheep can go around talking about guillotining heads off and I’m the bad guy???

                      Righto

                      Best not be calling me a liar Lprent.My service details record can be found above.

                      I think you’re talking about yourself when you say “never been a soldier”Lprent

                      [lprent: Army in the late 70s and early 80s. You don’t read like military. You read like an unthinking troll and fool.

                      In the meantime, you appear to have taken this post off topic in violation of the policy (which you clearly haven’t read). You are confined to open mike for the next 5 days. ]

                    • Puckish Rogue

                      Have a Snickers Jamie, you’re not yourself when you’re hungry

                    • Tracey

                      shouldnt you be getting ready for tomorrows caucus meeting?

                    • Chooky

                      lol…i reckon you are telling porkies and you are really really Jamie Whyte

                  • The lost sheep

                    Bagging the working classes is one thing, but lacking a sense of humour?
                    That’s a crime against humanity!

                    🙂 Thought these things 🙂 were meant to indicate you were joking?

                • weka

                  I agree lost sheep. Nothing about being a truck driver or illiterate (or computer illiterate) that makes one unable to understand the world.

                  Not that I think there’s much understanding in this particular case, just a lot of reverse snob bigotry.

    • “..How about sack Mr Little and get Stuart Nash as their leader..”

      nash is a rightwing stooge/trojan-horse in the labour party..

      ..he is a total neo-lib pimp..and couldn’t give a fuck about the poor etc..(i had a rather telling argy-bargy with him @ daily blog some time ago..where he stands became perfectly clear..)

      ..so yeah..nah..eh..?

      ..in fact..yr nash-pimping is a bad-joke..

    • tricledrown 12.4

      Wrong tense disgusting !
      Jamie your out of date behind the times poor atempt at distracting.

  13. Andrew Little needs to read an article in todays Sydney Morning Herald and the effect of selling Public Assets on the churning of Leaders in the last 10 years.

    Stop selling “Our Public Assets”

    In fact, all political parties should take notice, especially Key.

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/the-age-of-carnage-10-leaders-in-10-years-20150201-1338gy.html

  14. fisiani 14

    Momentum???????

    National 49.8% (+4.3%)
    Labour 29.1% (+3.5%)
    Green 9.3% (-5.1%)
    ACT 0.4% (+0.3%)
    Maori 1.3% (+0.2%)
    United Future 0.0% (-0.1%)
    Mana/Internet 0.6% (-1.4%)
    NZ First 6.9% (-0.2%)
    Conservative 2.7% (-2.2%)
    A few votes from Mana and the Greens is just shifting the deckchairs.
    National surging 4.3% , now that’s momentum.
    Yet another optimistic post assuming that the only way is up. Last year there were dozens of them.
    Time for some reality.

    • Paul 14.1

      Do you think the Labour Party should be taking advice from a member of the ACT Party?

      • Puckish Rogue 14.1.1

        Why not? The advice Labours been taking for the last 6 years hasn’t been working out for them so well has it.

        • The Chairman 14.1.1.1

          It’s been working far better than the advice ACT have been taking.

          ACT – 0.4 percent, down 0.3 percent.

          • Puckish Rogue 14.1.1.1.1

            Act has more power then Labour, the Greens, NZFirst combined and has since 2008

            However what Labour needs to do is:

            stop allowing unflattering pics of Little to be shown in print media

            move to the center and let the Greens take the hard left vote

            decide once and for all if its the Greens or NZFirst they want to work with and then act accordingly

            but most important of all is to work how they can take votes of National

            • McFlock 14.1.1.1.1.1

              ACT MPs also seem to have the highest conviction rate of all parties in parliament.
              If I were Seymour I’d be a bit worried about whom I was associating with.

            • The Chairman 14.1.1.1.1.2

              ACT may have more power, but that’s largely due to the benefit of National knowing how to utilize MMP.

              Their policy, thus, retrospectively, advice taken struggles to muster any voter support. Thus, is not something Labour would want to imitate.

              I agree with trying to ensure better images are used.

              Labour doesn’t have to politically shift to the center to win over the center vote.

              For example, their housing policy (to fill a market void and build more homes) comes from the left and was well received by voters across the spectrum.

              It’s time Labour once again became proud of being left, fill more market voids, thus become a real viable alternative and not another version of National lite.

  15. Amanda Atkinson 15

    Little’s “cut the crap” summed up the public mood … nope … wrong ,,, National has gone up in the polls too. They have an even bigger majority than when they won the election. Labour may be growing, but left vote, overall, is fading. Most Kiwis seem to like the direction the Nats are going.

    • weka 15.1

      30% of eligble voters voted for National.

      • Amanda Atkinson 15.1.1

        what’s the equivalent stat for Labour?

        • weka 15.1.1.1

          Don’t know off the top of my head. The point is that people who claim that National have a mandate are either ignorant of, or lying about, the non-vote. Key lies about it when he talks about so many people voted for them.

          “Most Kiwis seem to like the direction the Nats are going.”

          That’s why you have to look at the non-vote*. Less than a third of the country wanted this govt.

          *including why they didn’t vote.

          • Puckish Rogue 15.1.1.1.1

            “The point is that people who claim that National have a mandate are either ignorant of, or lying about, the non-vote.”

            National has a mandate because they won enough seats to form a coilition governemnt, it really is that simple.

            You say only 30% of eligible voters voted for well I’ll guess considerably less voted for anyone else then.

            This is one of the problems of the left in NZ, you got beaten and in MMP terms it was a rout, Labour gets their worst result in how many decades yet you (and others in fairness) are trying to say it wasn’t that bad

            How can you fix the problems Labour has when you won’t even admit it has problems,

            National has the mandate and more importantly has the numbers to do what it wants

            End of

            • weka 15.1.1.1.1.1

              If National got 48% of a 95% turnout, they’d still have less than half the people voting for them. It’s not a mandate to do what the hell they want. It’s just that the system allows them to do this. This is true of Labour too, and it was true under FPP.

              MMP is supposed to increase representation, not consolidate it in the hands of people who will then ignore the wishes of such large numbers of the people (think asset sales).

              That we have a govt that is working off the vote of less than a third of voters is a fucking disgrace.

          • Amanda Atkinson 15.1.1.1.2

            how do you know all those who did not vote, did not want the nats?

            • weka 15.1.1.1.2.1

              Because the non-vote tends to be weighted towards left wing voters. That’s why right wing parties are generally happy with low voter turnouts.

              • Amanda Atkinson

                wait … I’m a bit new to all this blogging and political stuff, so just to clarify …. “tends to be weighted towards” … is more valid than an an election result, when making a statement about the general voter mood? Is that really true?

                • Colonial Rawshark

                  LOL

                  As a reminder Amanda, you and weka are talking about the non-vote at the election, and the non-voter mood.

                  Do try and concentrate.

                  • Amanda Atkinson

                    why do you have to be so aggressive? I’m just to figure it out. Gosh welcome to the standard … far out, all this hostility and sarcasm. Sure I’m not the sharpest knife in the draw. I’m just trying to understand why everyone here seems to think the non vote is more of a true indication of what people want, than the election? Fair question? That’s all. If you cannot simply help to explain that fine, I might be thick, yes, but I still do not understand. Where is the proof that all the non vote do not want the nats? Thats all I am asking. Can you answer that please?

                    [r0b: Not singling out CR or anyone, but we moderators have been discussing the reception that new arrivals at The Standard get. Please can the regulars be a bit gentle with them while they learn the “robust” and open culture here.]

                    • weka

                      I completely agree r0b, and wholeheartedly support this, thanks.

                    • Tracey

                      i agree.

                      imagine if they started at whaleoil’s blog first.

                    • Colonial Rawshark

                      Well the way I see it, Amanda wanted to keep pushing and pushing using increasingly disingenuous arguments, then has decided to go the ‘oh look how mean this place is, I’m only new and naive and not the sharpest knife in the drawer’ track. Not good faith by a country mile.

                    • music4menz

                      Having been banned from posting once before for having questioned an article that contained no punctuation and which I therefore found confusing to read I am at a bit of a loss to fully comprehend the comment that TS has an ‘open culture’ policy.

                • weka

                  Amanda, the conventional wisdom is that the non-vote tends to be people that would vote on the left if they voted. I don’t have a reference for that (anyone?) but it’s so commonly accepted that no-one really disputes it.

                  But you are right, we don’t know today. I’m not actually arguing that the reason your statement was invalid is because the non-vote would vote on the left. I’m saying that you can’t make the statement “most Kiwis seem to like the direction the Nats are going.” and expect for it to be treated seriously when we do know for a fact that only 30% voted for them.

                  • Amanda Atkinson

                    Thank you, that helps me me understand! That actually does make sense now. Perhaps you could ask your friend to be more helpful when people ask questions.

                    • Tracey

                      would you like some here to help you understand climate change too?

                    • weka

                      did you see r0b’s moderator comment above, tracey?

                    • weka

                      “Thank you, that helps me me understand! That actually does make sense now. Perhaps you could ask your friend to be more helpful when people ask questions.”

                      What I’d suggest is reading the Policy and FAQ links at the top of the page. These will tell you some general things about the site and the community. Then I’d suggest reading here for a while and getting a sense for who people are and how they debate. It’s a pretty robust place and I think newbies do better when they take the time to get to know the place.

                      The main thing that’s happened today is that you’ve come across as not really reading comments properly and people have a fairly short tolerance for having to repeat themselves. It’s doesn’t help that people are assuming you are not a newbie, but I can see why they would not be taking that at face value given we’ve had to keep saying the same things.

                      btw, you don’t have to engage with or reply to everyone. Sometimes it’s better to just stick with the people who you think can best help you understand. Unless you want an argument, in which case have at it 🙂

                      I wouldn’t start with CC stuff though, you’ll just get an overwhelmingly negative response.

                    • weka

                      “yes”

                      are you going to ignore it then?

                    • Tracey

                      z1. i didnt see it until after i made some comments.

                      2. i googled amanda.

                      3. i will now back off.

                  • The lost sheep

                    If they didn’t choose to vote they self evidently didn’t place enough value on any particular party to dedicate even 5 minutes effort to them just once in 4 years.

                    The total electoral value of such voters is exactly zero, and that also happens to be the value to be gained in claiming them as support.

                    It is not until citizens feel strongly enough to vote that their support is actually worth anything, and at present, that kind of support does not favour the Left.

                    • weka

                      I have pretty strong feelings about people who are aware and able to vote and don’t, but I think it’s a mistake to lump all non-voters into the same bracket.

                      The people who are so disenfranchised from society and the NACT/Labour polarity, we should be worrying that those numbers are increasing. It’s better for democracy if more people are engaged and telling them they are worthless doesn’t help that at all.

                    • The lost sheep

                      But you can lump them into one bracket Weka, because in politics there is a very concrete threshold of ‘support’, and that is the act of voting.
                      So all ‘non voters’ do belong to the group ‘do not support any political party’.

                      Placing any value on who they ‘might’ have voted for is about as relevant as considering what book people who never read books thought should have got ‘Book of the Year’.

                      What would really interest me is to know something about the reasons why people who previously did not vote decided to?
                      And when they did, what preferences they showed?

                      Did you research show up anything about that Weka?

                    • weka

                      well that’s what I mean, the reasons people don’t vote is more diverse than you are implying.

                      Below is the research on the non-vote that I have bookmarked. I think a lot more could be being done in this area, including why people start voting again.

                      AFAIK Labour, the GP and IMP all believed that getting out the non-vote would help them. To what extent that’s about them targetting lefties (esp Labour) I don’t know, but I while you discount this issue for your own philosophical reasons, have a look at OAB’s links below on the political persuasions of the non-vote.

                      And I’ll say again, more people voting serves democracy better. It’s superficial to assume that people not voting are lazy/stupid/whatever and therefore should be ignored.

                      http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/people_and_communities/Well-being/civic-human-rights/non-voters-2008-2011-gen-elections.aspx

                      http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1401/S00162/forgot-or-not-interested-main-reasons-people-dont-vote.htm

                      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9671827/Why-people-don-t-vote

                  • swordfish

                    “when we do know for a fact that only 30% voted for them (the Nats)”

                    It was actually slightly higher, weka. The Nats took around 33% of eligible voters, with the entire Right Bloc (including the Conservatives) close to 37%.

                    A number of people have pointed to this putative 30% Nat figure in the post-election period (linking to a particular pie-graph), but that’s based on faulty data.

                • Tracey

                  warning: the following is a link to whaleoil. the amanda atkinson who posts There is a climate change denier.

                  http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2015/01/poles-arent-melting-new-report-stabs-al-gore/

                  • weka

                    Here’s the donotlink http://www.donotlink.com/dfyt

                    If you use this link, not only does Slater not get the clicks, and can’t track your data, but you get to vote on the content of the page. I chose ‘dangerous’ for this particular one.

                  • Amanda Atkinson

                    that’s really insightful Tracey … so I don’t believe in human induced climate change. Your point is? … I’m not allowed a view on that either? I also posted on Whale in support of the treatment of Maori in our country, and got completely lambasted by those red neck racists on there … they actually threatened to close my account, you can see that on there yourself. So much for free speech eh? I write on Whale Oil, get abused, I write on here, and apart from Weka, everyone else just has unhelpful sarcasm. I’m clearly in the wrong place/s. Maybe blogging is not for me.

                    • Amanda Atkinson

                      The Al1en …. Yip agree, I do have minority view on that, butlook, CC was not raised my me, and not relevant. You disagree. Cool. Why do you have be nasty about it? What can’t people just agree to disagree without thinking someone with a different view, is a less intelligent person?

                    • The Al1en

                      I did agree to disagree

                      “but each to their own and all that. Thankfully you’re very much in the minority now so not much point worrying about it.”

                      “Why do you have be nasty about it?”

                      On my monkey brained life, you’re in for a real eye opener if you consider that nasty. 😆

                      Anyway, I hope you settle in and get with the flow of things.

                    • Anne

                      What can’t people just agree to disagree without thinking someone with a different view, is a less intelligent person?

                      Only the right-wing ideologues shut themselves off from reality. How can “we agree to disagree etc. etc.”. It’s happening all around us. And yes, I have meteorological qualifications.

                      Stop listening to pseudo-scientists who sound impressive but who don’t know what they are talking about, or they use misconstrued statistics for ideological purposes to fool the likes of you and other people. A good example in NZ was John Boscawen and his denier soldiers who took NIWA to court for supposedly gerrymandering historical calculations to fit in with Climate Change. The charges were thrown out of court because it became crystal clear they were the ones who were ‘gerrymandering’ the figures – not NIWA.

                  • Amanda Atkinson

                    And….. did you seriously care so much about my question that you Googled me? You clearly have too much time on your hands, good Lord, I though getting abused on Whale Oil for supporting the disenfranchised Maori, was bad, but I come here and get cyber stalked? I’m not sure which is worse.

                    • Tracey

                      if i have offended you i apologise.

                      i googled you because we indeed get new commenters here who come to pick a fight and distract and whose questions are not genuine. mine was a kneejerk reaction to your comments which prompted me to see if you post anywhere else. I NEVER go to whaleoil as a personal rule which I broke for you.

                      so i do apologise for any offence caused.

                    • Colonial Rawshark

                      So it turns out that you’re not new on political blogs at all, despite your earlier protestations.

                    • Molly

                      Amanda, I don’t comment as much as pre-election, but I spent a good while before commenting reading the Standard, and still feel that I am learning my way.

                      Commenters on here are forthright, and take the time to keep discussions going and share information and sometimes the pace is brisk. I appreciate that when I read through even when I don’t get time to comment and reply. I feel that it is my effort that must go into keeping up, I don’t expect others to slow down for me.

                      Your style seems disingenious at best, and misleading at worst, and if your comments regarding Maori (which like Tracey, I looked up, in order to determine whether I was misjudging you) are accurate, then your support is something that is not without judgement, and should not be used as an indicator of progressiveness. Not that one is needed, but I think people appreciate you flying your own freak flag, even if they disagree with you. And I disagree with you on those points.

                      Take the time to Google what you want to know, before requesting others to find it again and again. And if you find something in support of what you say, then link.

                      I’ve been in too many community groups where newcomers expect everything to be provided by (mainly longtime) volunteers, and so, understand the apparent lack of patience shown. It is the result of too many hours spent with newcomers that come, take and never give back.

                      It is always more interesting and respectful when newcomers start giving back.

                    • Thanks for the link Molly – a real eye opener.

                    • weka

                      +1 great comment

                    • Amanda Atkinson

                      The Al1en, I am not concerned about being labelled a fool, I’ve been called much worse. My point was, I was expecting a discussion, not a competition of who can handle the biggest insult.

                      Holly, thank you for your advice. It was just question, I assumed from the reply, that there would be facts to support it. I don’t believe it should be me, that has to research the truthfulness or otherwise of someone else’s statement. Anyway, the supporting evidence to my questions was provided in the end, so I think the person who made the statement, despite what you say, was actually quite happy to take the time to get the facts to support the his/her (not sure if Weka is male or female) statement. Those links will be helpful to a number of people I believe. They were to me.

                      Holly again, it was just a question, not a political statement to try to prove to the readers that I am “progressive”, whatever that is … Lilla Harre said it all the time and I don’t even know what she was talking about. I assume it’s another name for the left.

                      In closing, because I am sure no one else cares, except the 2 who seem to think I matter (otherwise why would you Google me) … I have no desire to prove to anyone that I am left or right because I don’t even know myself. I have voted left and right before, and going by what I have in common with both Whale Oil and here, I am left on many things, and right on others. I would have hoped that was irrelevant but Tracey (you did not offend me) and Holly, it’s just a bit creepy to know I have been Googled because of a question on a blog, that’s all. No harm done. Let’s leave it there.

                      My only expectation on Whale oil and here, was to see views about things from the left and the right, and to ask some questions. That’s all. I am not a right wing plant, nor a right wing supporter. I am not a left wing supporter either, nor am I trying to prove that I am (Holly).

                      I like some policies of the right and the left. A good idea, is a good idea. That’s it. Good night all.

                    • The Al1en

                      “The Al1en, I am not concerned about being labelled a fool”

                      My mistake for taking your “Why do you have be nasty about it?” comment literally.

                      “My point was, I was expecting a discussion, not a competition of who can handle the biggest insult.”

                      You’ll get both here, and depending on how you play your hand, a lot more of one than the other. Guaranteed.
                      If one wises up, gets selective and sorts the ‘ultra’ chaff from the wheat, it makes the going a lot easier, though ultimately it’s still just a lot of people talking shit and saving the world on the internet. In the final cut, it’s just like any other forum.

                  • Amanda Atkinson

                    Rawshark … “So it turns out that you’re not new on political blogs at all, despite your earlier protestations.” Actually no. What I said was true. I am new to Whale Oil and here, as your friend Tracey discovered after researching me. Did you not see her post? Trust me on this one thing. I am nobody! I really am nobody. This is just totally creepy weird even having to explain it.

                    • Amanda Atkinson

                      Can I offer some constructive criticism? I am sure your readers are not least bit interested in who I am, or how long I haven’t been blogging for. I am new, ok? I thought it would be interesting to talk politics with the left and the right. I thought it would be helpful to get views from both sides on a few things. I expected to be disagreed with, yes. I did not expect to get abused on Whale Oil, and cyber stalked and met with a barrage of sarcasm on here. For blogging, that’s it, that my story ok? There si nothing more. I am nobody. And as I said, I am sure no one even cares. So please can we just leave it there? Unbelievable.

                    • The Al1en

                      “I write on Whale Oil, get abused, I write on here, and apart from Weka, everyone else just has unhelpful sarcasm. I’m clearly in the wrong place/s. Maybe blogging is not for me.”

                      I think it’s worth bearing in mind that aside from those with self aggrandising agendas, internet blogs, especially political ones, are filled mostly with lowest common denominator types who fall in to predictable patterns of behaviour with group condemnation one of the most often plied.
                      You will definitely need a thick skin to survive the onslaught if you dare to, as you have since found out on both ‘wing’ sites, stray from the accepted group consensus.
                      The funny thing is you haven’t even dealt with the most obnoxious ‘contributors’ here yet. Perhaps you’d be best off observing for a while as you work out an attack strategy and coping mechanism.

                      By the way, I think your a fool for your position on climate change, but each to their own and all that. Thankfully you’re very much in the minority now so not much point worrying about it.

                    • weka

                      “This is just totally creepy weird even having to explain it.”

                      I agree. And the early naming someone a shill or a trole or whatever is one of the patterns on ts that definitely doesn’t serve the left or the community here.

                      There’s a word for judging someone before you have enough experience with them to form an opinion and it happens too often here.

                      Irrespective of Amanda and where she fits in the scheme of things, I am also mindful of the people reading here who might be about to comment for the first or second time and they see this today and think no way am I going to expose myself to that.

                    • Tracey

                      i dont actually know colonial rawshark/viper so he is not really my fmriend.

                    • Tracey

                      weka and amanda

                      for the record, googling someones blog handle is not cyber stalking.

                      i have made my apology and offer my own advice. political blogs can be tough places.

                    • Colonial Rawshark

                      Sorry, but when someone comes on here and makes remarks like “oh you mean the election result isn’t valid” it’s pretty obvious to me that they are deliberately stirring for a reaction or a diversion.

                    • weka

                      Tracey, I wasn’t bothered by the googling, I just thought there was a bit of goading going on re CC.

                      CV, Sorry, but when someone comes on here and makes remarks like “oh you mean the election result isn’t valid” it’s pretty obvious to me that they are deliberately stirring for a reaction or a diversion.

                      Sure, that’s one interpretation, but it’s not the only one*, and even if you are right, my point about other people reading still stands. Do we want to encourage new people to come here and stay, or it is more important to teach people a lesson as soon as they land?

                      *another one might be that someone who is new to debating on political blogs is getting caught up in their reactions and commenting from there without thinking things through. Esp in a fast moving thread like this was. We’ve all been there and some of us still go there regularly despite exensive experience.

                    • Amanda Atkinson

                      Rawshark …. “Sorry, but when someone comes on here and makes remarks like “oh you mean the election result isn’t valid” it’s pretty obvious to me that they are deliberately stirring for a reaction or a diversion” …. It’s not a valid question, to question someone who says, the election result is not a accurate indicator of political mood in a country because non voters are not taken into account? It was just a question … Weka saw my question as a valid, and seemed to find a way to give a considered, intelligent and helpful answer.

                    • Tracey

                      what is abuse and sarcasm?
                      does the following count?

                      “Go to sleep, like your mind. Good lord, you lot are like broken records and parrots. No doubt you will also have to have the last word, just the type of people you lot are. So predictable. Good night. pffft”

                    • weka

                      Where’s that from tracey?

                    • Tracey

                      here is the thing weka. amanda has made about 3 different comments asking why people resort to abuse are nasty or sarcastic instead of just disagreeing. so i posted an example of something from whaleoil posted by someone now showing as guest to see if amanda thinks it qualifies. i posted the link earlier.

                      thats my lot.

                    • weka

                      Basically I don’t care who started it or whatever. The personal stuff and ad hominems came early from people who should be demonstrating better behaviour. Arguing personal shit instead of politics with a new person is just wrong IMO unless they come out troling hard right from the start (and she didn’t).

                      It’s about being welcoming, treating guests well, and it’s about others who are reading.

                    • The lost sheep

                      I wonder what Eleanor Catton would make of it if she decided to extend her political activity to posting on TS, and on her first attempt happened to offend one of the more ‘robust’ locals?

                      Make John Key seem pretty saintly by comparison wouldn’t it? And ironic, given the condemnation heaped on Key for his reaction on this blog this week.

                      So yes she’d be out of here just as quickly as many other potentially interested and interesting people before her….

                      But somehow I don’t see much possibility of that theory being tested.

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      How do you know she doesn’t comment here, sheepish? Lots of eloquent, literate posters on TS.

                      But, anyway, it’s not a reasonable comparison. Nobody posting here is a PM leading a Government with a proven history of viciously dealing to critics who are in any way reliant on the taxpayer.

                      It’s a safe bet C/T and WO are as busy trawling for dirt on Catton as they are for Andrew Little.

            • McFlock 15.1.1.1.2.2

              Um, because they didn’t “want” the nats in enough to bother voting?

              And voting is the only indication we have either way – to put it another way, non-voters “wanted” no part of the system more than they wanted the nats in government.

              • Amanda Atkinson

                what about ….”Um, because they didn’t “want” labour in enough to bother voting”? Not possible?

                • Colonial Rawshark

                  It appears that non-voters didn’t find either Labour or National appealing enough to make the effort to vote, which I think is a reasonably valid conclusion.

                  • weka

                    or any of the other parties.

                    edit, I’m going to qualify that, the vote did go up a bit, and parties like the IMP got more votes than Mana did alone last time.

                • McFlock

                  On the contrary, perfectly reasonable.
                  But nobody here is arguing that “Most Kiwis seem to like the direction the labs are going” based on the votes of around a third of eligible voters.

                  Sure, they got 48% of the votes.
                  If they’d gotten 45%, they’d be in opposition right now.

                  It’s hubris to assume that the current government is loved by the majority and had a decisive win. They had a narrow win, and a little tweak will have them jumping the shark.

    • Colonial Rawshark 15.2

      Most Kiwis seem to like the direction the Nats are going.

      You hang out with the wrong people.

      • Amanda Atkinson 15.2.1

        “You hang out with the wrong people.”
        Didn’t say I was happy with it, just a matter of fact

        • framu 15.2.1.1

          but its not a fact – thats the point

          • Amanda Atkinson 15.2.1.1.1

            oh you mean the election result isn’t valid?

            • Colonial Rawshark 15.2.1.1.1.1

              Look, it’s very nice of you to try and divert away from productive discussion about politics, but please don’t.

            • weka 15.2.1.1.1.2

              “oh you mean the election result isn’t valid?”

              Your assertion that most NZers are happy with the direction National is going isn’t valid. This has already been explained to you.

        • Colonial Rawshark 15.2.1.2

          Amanda, seriously? How many thousand people do you talk to about politics every month, and which suburbs do they live in, in order to reach the conclusion, “Most Kiwis seem to like the direction the Nats are going”?

          • Amanda Atkinson 15.2.1.2.1

            “seriously” … uuuum, it’s called an election? No?

            • Colonial Rawshark 15.2.1.2.1.1

              Look, you can be disingenuous all you like, but the election is a single snapshot in time of around 2.1M Kiwis.

              • Amanda Atkinson

                OK, so how do we really know what the people want, if an election doesn’t tell us? I’m a bit confused, as a newbie. You have a better way to decide? Make it compulsory to vote maybe?

                • Colonial Rawshark

                  You’re not a new political operator. And I am sure you understand the concept of a “single snapshot in time.” So please, don’t waste our time.

                  • Tracey

                    but the feigned innocence and stuff was funny for a while…

                  • Amanda Atkinson

                    ok, well, thank for you being so helpful and patient. Yip “welcome to the standard” as I said before. gee whizz

                    • Colonial Rawshark

                      You came here wanting to make an impression and you succeeded. Congrats.

                    • The lost sheep

                      Amanda, there are some very perceptive and intelligent debaters on this blog, and there are some who are less so.
                      I’m lead to understand that’s quite normal for a blog.

                      The latter group seem to be quite possessive about protecting ‘their’ patch, and so new comers that express any opinion slightly outside their own personal view of ‘reality’ tend to get a bit of a working over. (ironically, they will be the first ones to trumpet the Lefts compassion and commitment to diversity of thought.)

                      My suggestion is that you don’t waste too much time debating ‘reality’ with those who are living in a version of it that you are unable to access.

                • weka

                  We don’t know what people want. Which is why we should be heading towards direct or more representative democracy instead of the faux representation that we have now (thanks big parties and Winston Peters for ruining the promise of MMP).

              • Amanda Atkinson

                OK, all I was trying to establish is why the post “How does Labour keep the momentum?” … takes the poll result seriously when it comes to Labours result, but not the Nats, who are on the rise too. More Kiwis seem to prefer the Nat’s than Labour, based on the election and the latest poll. That’s all I meant. Obviously I was wrong, because I had no idea that the non vote was mainly left. I’d never even considered it. Thank you for pointing it out. Create an impression? I don’t care who sees what I write. I just asked some questions and made a statement. It was wrong, I get it. Just relax. Gee whizz.

                • weka

                  I’m going to have to go look up some demographics or research on the non-vote now.

                  In the meantime, there is this that just popped up in my twitter feed.

                  Chris Slane
                  ‏@Slanecartoons
                  ‘The Far Left’. My most popular cartoon so far this year. #nzpol

                  • One Anonymous Bloke

                    The Economist explains.

                    Such low turnout means that in mid-term years, Republicans (whose voters tend to be older) dominate the ballot, even though they cannot win so easily in presidential years.

                    National Party intellectual, Simon Lusk’s deliberate strategy to corrupt the electoral process:

                    There are a few basic propositions with negative campaigning that are worth knowing about. It lowers turnout, favours right more than left as the right continue to turn out, and drives away the independents. Voting then becomes more partisan.

                    …and a more academic discussion in Stockemer et al:

                    Through instrumental variable regression we find that as corruption increases, the percentage of voters who go to the polls decreases.

                    • weka

                      thanks!

                      Reading the bit from Lusk, is the left wing weighting more about reactions against negative campaigning rather than things like poverty demographics?

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      Blais & Dobrzynska 2003 finds that:

                      the socioeconomic environment…has a substantial impact on turnout.

                • fisiani

                  Amanda if you do not toe the Hard Left belief that National only won because the voters are too thick and will be re-educated by 2017 you will be torn apart and abused with impunity here. Dissent is barely tolerated by some.

                  [We allow you to comment Fisi and enjoy challenging your misperceptions. Dissent is welcome. Trolling is not tolerated – MS]

                  • One Anonymous Bloke

                    People who have difficulty distinguishing between truth and familiarity get a hard time. Tell me something new.

                    48% of those who bothered to vote is not a resounding majority whichever way you look at it, and certainly not considering that they’ve had one MP resign and as a result are now relying on confidence and supply from other parties.

                    Oh, and we won’t call your children disgusting names if they happen to die in a traffic collision. Not will we threaten your employment status for doing your job.

  16. Michael 16

    My answer to Anthony’s question: By restoring the faith of the people the Labour Party was formed to serve. Just as one swallow does not a summer make neither does one speech by a newly elected leader. Labour has a lot of work to do before it can claim to have regained the trust and support of its former base. I reckon that an honest assessment of the actions of the fourth Labour government is a necessary, but not sufficient, step towards achieving the objective I stated in my sentence of this post. A policy of selective amnesia, involving brushing those events under the caucus, will not do.

  17. Michael 17

    My answer to Anthony’s question: By restoring the faith of the people the Labour Party was formed to serve. Just as one swallow does not a summer make neither does one speech by a newly elected leader. Labour has a lot of work to do before it can claim to have regained the trust and support of its former base. I reckon that an honest assessment of the actions of the fourth Labour government is a necessary, but not sufficient, step towards achieving the objective I stated in my sentence of this post. A policy of selective amnesia, involving brushing those events under the caucus carpet, will not do.

  18. Ross 18

    Three things:

    1) Listen
    2) Listen
    3) Listen

    Then do.

  19. sabine 19

    do nothing and watch the saga that the Northland byelection and Mr. Sabin and his “personal issues”, let national go on about how we don’t have a housing crisis nowhere while they change the RMA and sell of state houses, watch them cut funds to libraries and stuff , n stuff, n stuff ,

    in the meantime get together with the opposition parties and ask them how badly they want it and work together to create an alliance for 2017. it is actually so simply

    fisiani pg gosman and all the other quislings? ignore them.

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • New Zealand Gives up on Trying to Save Daylight
    New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern addressed the nation today about the decline in daylight New Zealand has been experiencing over the previous few months. She said “As many of you will notice, our attempts to stem the dwindling of the daylight over the last few months have been completely ...
    Can of wormsBy Can of Worms, Opened
    8 hours ago
  • A bulletin from Greece
    Redline received this article from the KOE a Marxist party in Greece Our friends in the KOE describe here the mounting crisis in Greece and tensions on the Turkish border. As desperate people flee from their homelands which have been ruined after decades of imperialist wars and interventions the people ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    11 hours ago
  • And God spake all these words, saying
    As the first week of Level Four lockdown unfolded, mounting questions grew as to just what was (and was not) allowed under its “rules”. Partly these were driven by some apparently contradictory messages from different authority figures and explanations carried in the media. Partly they reflected a somewhat sketchy legal basis ...
    PunditBy Andrew Geddis
    14 hours ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 9
    . . April 3: Day 9 of living in lock-down… Another late-start to my work day. Everything is temporarily upended as clients are shuffled around so we can minimise our “bubble” by reducing the number of people we help. One of my colleagues has been removed from his clients; his ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    17 hours ago
  • Death to our lockdown enemies!
    We must root out the traitors among us! ...
    Imperator FishBy Scott Yorke
    1 day ago
  • Climate Change: The benefits of electrification
    In order to meet our 2050 carbon target and do our bit to avoid making the Earth uninhabitable, New Zealand needs to decarbonise our economy, replacing fossil fuels with electricity in the energy, industrial and transport sectors. The good news is that it will mean cheaper power for all of ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 8 (sanitised version)
    For those folk who find my other Lock-Down Diary versions too “negative” or otherwise unpalatable… Here’s a photo of a pretty flower, .   . Better? Tomorrow’s Sanitised Version: a cute animal video. . . . =fs= ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    2 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 8
    . . April 2: Day eight of living in lock-down… Today, my work day starts late. Our rosters and clients have been dramatically changed, lessening (theoretically) the number of people in our work “bubble”.  If just one of us catches covid19 the impact could be considerable as Grey Base Hospital ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    2 days ago
  • A note on apartments and bubbles
    As Aotearoa enters week two of lockdown, it’s clear we’re all still working out what our “bubbles” look like and how to stay in them to stop the spread of Covid-19. New to the government’s Covid-19 website is some good guidance for people living in apartment blocks. Recent decades have ...
    SciBlogsBy Siouxsie Wiles
    2 days ago
  • Getting in futures shape 
    “There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen.” Lenin Don’t we all know that feeling now.

    Prospect Magazine alerted me to this particularly apt quote. It is a much more evocative quote than Hemingway’s “gradually then suddenly” which is also doing ...

    SciBlogsBy Robert Hickson
    2 days ago
  • Maybe axing Clark would be unfair. But what about any of this is fair?
    Yesterday was the day the consequences of the lockdown suddenly got very real for many. Firms have been closing and laying people off since the outset of the quarantine but this has mostly been happening out of the public eye. The mass closure of a number of iconic New Zealand ...
    PunditBy Liam Hehir
    2 days ago
  • Might a ‘Coasean’ social contract mitigate overall societal harm from COVID-19?
    Brian Williamson1, Prof Nick Wilson2 (1Economic consultant, UK; 2University of Otago Wellington) In this blog, we outline how a win-win social contract could be forged to address the major dimensions of response to the COVID-19 pandemic when using a mitigation strategy: the particular need to protect older people from high ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    2 days ago
  • Returning To “Normalcy”.
    Resuming Normal Service: The Republican Party's nominee for in 1920, Warren Harding, promised the American people: “not heroics, but healing; not nostrums, but normalcy; not revolution, but restoration”. If she wishes to remain our prime minister, then Jacinda Ardern will offer New Zealanders the same.HOW EDUCATED AMERICA snickered when the ...
    2 days ago
  • New Zealand’s Government Must Save New Zealand’s Media.
    No Free Society Without A Free And Functioning News Media: If we are to surrender our civil rights to the broader cause of defeating Covid-19, then foreign corporations must, likewise, surrender their right to inflict immense economic and cultural harm on New Zealanders simply because it improves their bottom line.I’M ...
    2 days ago
  • Corona fevers and the madness of models
    by Daphna Whitmore A third of the world is under lockdown and a clear assessment of this measure to curb the spread of COVID-19 is urgently needed.  With any high-stakes decisions it has to be asked what are we dealing with here? Are the measures warranted? Will they achieve their ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 days ago
  • Lockdown day 8
    I haven’t done a huge amount in the last few days. I’m reading The Poppy War and I’ve sort of poked at a couple of games – I started SOMA but I’m a wimp and I quit while in the first room after the brain scan. I might try it ...
    The little pakehaBy chrismiller
    2 days ago
  • Backstage and Theatre
    The swan politicians may be gliding on the water, occasionally snapping at one another. Meanwhile, as the Covid19 crisis illustrates, the officials are desperately paddling below providing the real locomotion. One of the most fatuous recent grandstanding comments (of about a week ago), adding to the public’s anxieties, was ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    2 days ago
  • Legal Beagle: Waiver, the singular Crown and the conduct of Crown legal business
    Much has been written about the importance of discretion in an emergency situation, and the concerns raised by the potential for it to be exercised arbitrarily. Given the quality of the discussion, there seemed little point in adding to it at any length. In particular, I point to the evidence ...
    2 days ago
  • Highlights from Bauer Media’s science-related reporting
    Today has felt surreal. I was all set to touch base online with my science communication students when a colleague shared the news that Bauer Media would be shutting down its publications immediately. The first link I saw implied it was Woman’s Weekly affected, and even that shocked me. But ...
    SciBlogsBy Sarah-Jane O'Connor
    2 days ago
  • Outsiders.
    Bogeymen, Real And Imagined: Is the number of psychopathic and sociopathic individuals in any given society truly as vanishingly small as we like to tell ourselves? Isn’t it more likely that the mass-shooters and serial-killers filling the headlines represent only the tip of a much, much larger iceberg of frightfulness? ...
    3 days ago
  • We have a right to know the rules we are expected to obey
    Outgoing Police Commissioner Mike Bush appeared before the Epidemic Response Committee today, who asked him for the rules police are using to enforce the lockdown. He refused:Police Commissioner Mike Bush has admitted the advice given to Kiwis about what they're able to do during the lockdown hasn't been clear enough. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 7 (sanitised version)
    For those folk who find my other Lock-Down Diary versions too “negative” or otherwise unpalatable… Here’s a photo of my cat, . . Better? Tomorrow’s Sanitised Version: a pretty flower. . . . =fs= ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    3 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 7
    . . April 1: Day seven of living in lock-down… This morning I had a brief chat with one of my neighbours, “D” (social distance between us, a good three or four metres). I learned he had resigned from his previous job and had been hired by another company – ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    3 days ago
  • RIP The Listener, New Zealand’s pioneering voice
    Funnily enough, my thought as I start this post is whether it will be well written enough. Or should that be well enough written? Because so much of what I know about good writing came from my two stints at The Listener, which this morning was shut down due to ...
    PunditBy Tim Watkin
    3 days ago
  • OK, Britney: stop sniping at National for doing its job
    With normal democratic procedures in abeyance, there were two ways to go. First, it was open for the government to dissolve itself and invite the National Party to join a ministry of national salvation. That would have lessened the democratic deficit of the times by having a team of rivals without ...
    PunditBy Liam Hehir
    3 days ago
  • Helpful tips for parents during lockdown
    Dr Kirsty Ross Children and young people can respond differently in times of distress. This also varies by age and developmental stage, with younger children having more magical and imaginative thinking, and older children having more awareness and knowledge of the issues our communities are facing (which brings up ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    3 days ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #13, 2020
    3 days ago
  • Hungary is now a dictatorship
    Hungary has been a virtual dictatorship for a decade now, as Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has gradually eroded its democracy. But now, its official, with the passage of an indefinite emergency law allowing rule by decree:Hungary’s parliament has passed a new set of coronavirus measures that includes jail terms for ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • A new Ministry of Works
    While the economy is on pause under lockdown, the government is beginning to plan how to cope with the post-lockdown, post-tourism, post-export education world we will eventually find ourselves in. They're planning a lot of infrastructure spending as economic stimulus, and have asked for proposals which can start the moment ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Capture: Well spaced out
    It's my distraction,  setting up tiny scenes to photograph.  I've got stuck on the Babushka dolls for now.  Something about their bubble shape.  Something about their never changing, smiling features, suggesting persistent equanimity.  Can we get through everything that is being thrown at us and keep at least a tiny ...
    4 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 6
    . . March 31: Day six of living in lock-down… This time I managed to sleep a little longer and the alarm woke me at the pre-set time: 6.55am. Then remembered I was working a later shift and could’ve slept in. Oh well, there are things to do at home. ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    4 days ago
  • March ’20 – NZ blogs sitemeter ranking
    Image credit: Diamond Harbour School Blogs I notice a few regulars no longer allow public access to the site counters. This may happen accidentally when the blog format is altered. If your blog is unexpectedly missing or ...
    4 days ago
  • Hard News: Poll Pot and the partisans
    Yesterday's Horizon poll showing support for a "Yes" vote in this year's cannabis referendum sliding into the majority for the first time in a year looked like good news for reformers – and it probably is. But the result warrants some scrutiny.The poll is the fifth in a series commissioned ...
    4 days ago
  • Why those bubbles are so important
    For almost a week now, every one of us who isn’t an essential worker has been confined to their bubble. We are allowed to go shopping for groceries, to visit the doctor, and to get a bit of exercise if we stay local. The reason we are doing this is ...
    SciBlogsBy Siouxsie Wiles
    4 days ago
  • A Government System That Works
    The Covid-19 saga will no doubt produce many twists and turns for us before it is finally brought to an end. But one thing it has shown us – and what comfort it should bring us – is that our country’s government is in good hands. I am not thinking ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    4 days ago
  • Smashing down the barriers: Where are we at with COVID vaccines?
    In the absence of a vaccine or a cure for a deadly disease, staying home in your bubble is what you do, the concept is not new.  To the best of my knowledge last time we did this in NZ was for polio, in the years before a vaccine came ...
    SciBlogsBy Helen Petousis Harris
    4 days ago
  • National Network on Cuba (USA): “Cuban medical solidarity is a pillar of its society and is founde...
    The following statement was released on March 28 by the National Network on Cuba, a coalition of 40 groups, based in the United States. In recent weeks, Cuba has deployed hundreds of medical providers to over a dozen countries in Europe, Asia, as well as to their neighbors in Latin ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    4 days ago
  • Alarming decrease in calves increases fears for endangered Hector’s dolphin
    This has been a terrible summer for Hector’s dolphins. The first indication was very low numbers of dolphin sightings during late spring and early summer. The Otago University Marine Mammal Research Team has carried out routine dolphin surveys at Banks Peninsula for more than 30 years. In all that time, ...
    SciBlogsBy Otago Marine Science
    4 days ago
  • Time for Grant Robertson to reveal package #2?
    On March 17, Finance Minister Grant Robertson was quick out of the blocks with an economic rescue package to help businesses through the inevitable recession resulting from the coronavirus pandemic. Robertson had pulled together a scheme in short order that so far seems to have saved many jobs. In his ...
    PunditBy Tim Watkin
    5 days ago
  • Saving lives
    The purpose of the lockdown is to save lives, by reducing the spread of covid-19. We won't know if its really working for another week, but given the devastation that will result if it doesn't - 14,000 dead is the optimistic scenario - its definitely worth trying. But pausing the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 5
    . . March 30: Day five of living in lock-down… Woke up still in darkness. Alarm hadn’t gone off. Turn to radio clock; it’s a few minutes after 6am… I lie there in the dark, waiting to drift off to sleep… but it ain’t happening. Clock ticks over to 6.55 ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    5 days ago
  • Speaker: Les Gray: the man who told the truth
    The story of Les Gray, the public sector psychologist who told the truth about his use of cannabis and set off a storm, has a special place in the lore of cannabis reform in New Zealand.When Paul Shannon interviewed Gray for the 'Dope and Hope' issue of Planet magazine in ...
    5 days ago
  • Why now? Historical specificity and the perfect storm that has created trans identity politics
    by Phil Duncan For Marxists, a key concern about social trends is their context – not just their causes, but why they happen when they do.  Events and phenomena have causes, but they also are time or period-specific. While much of the left have capitulated recently to postmodernism, most notably ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    5 days ago
  • Time for a living wage for supermarket workers
    Since the lockdown began, we've all suddenly been reminded who the actually essential workers in our society are: not the people at the top who pay themselves the big bucks and rort the perks, but the people at the bottom they screw over and squeeze: cleaners, warehouse staff, truck drivers ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Hard News: MUSIC: Lockdown Grooves
    Kia ora! As I've watched nearly all my remaining work vanish over the past couple of days, it has occured to me that one good way to keep me away from arguing with fools on Twitter all the time (in the knowledge that all we're really doing is processing our ...
    6 days ago
  • A place of greater safety?
    Aotearoa New Zealand has committed to trying to extirpate the virus that causes COVID-19 from its shores. To do that, as a society we’ve moved to “Level 4”. That means adapting to unprecedented restrictions on our personal freedoms, particularly to our rights to move freely and associate with friends and ...
    PunditBy Andrew Geddis
    6 days ago
  • The police and public trust
    When the Prime Minister declared a state of emergency last week, she handed the police powers to enforce it. And almost immediately, we started hearing about heavy-handed, arbitrary "enforcement" by police who (at best) cared more about order than law, or (more likely) had no idea what the rules were ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 4
    . . Lock Down: Day 4 – A photo essay with observations . March 29: Usual wake up routine as RNZ snaps on my radio-clock. Jim Mora’s voice slowly enters my conciousness; there’s talk of a second wave of covid19 taking hold in South Korea; the week in Parliament – ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    6 days ago
  • COVID-19 vs New Zealand
    Yesterday, New Zealand recorded its first Covid-19 related death on the West Coast. Unfortunately this is unlikely to be the only fatality, with the virus now being found in every region of the country.However despite the significant danger, people are still unfortunately breaching lockdown rules.There’s really only one main very ...
    6 days ago
  • 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming Digest #13
    Story of the Week... Toon of the Week... Coming Soon on SkS... Climate Feedback Claim Review... SkS Week in Review... Poster of the Week... Story of the Week... ‘Misinformation kills’: The link between coronavirus conspiracies and climate denial   Grist / Rob Kim / Stringer / CSA Images  Scientific ...
    6 days ago
  • Rāhui day 4
    The kids did surprisingly well today – meltdown count was about 3, and mostly fairly short ones. (And a fourth while I was writing.) Game-wise I had a go at Fell Seal: Arbiter’s Mark. It’s a fairly standard RPG with turn-based combat and what they call a “mature storyline” (it ...
    The little pakehaBy chrismiller
    6 days ago
  • Letter to a friend
    by Don Franks Hi David, Nice hearing from you, I’m glad to hear you’re getting by okay in these grim times. You asked how’s it going for us back here in New Zealand. You would have heard that the whole country is locked down and with breaks for exercise and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 3
    . . Lock Down: Day 3 – A photo essay with observations . March 28: First day of the first weekend in Lock Down. It feels like it’s been weeks since only Level 3 was declared last Tuesday, only four days ago. Woke up this morning to RNZ; coffee; toast, ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    7 days ago
  • 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #13
    A chronological listing of news articles linked to on the Skeptical Science Facebook Page during the past week, i.e., Sun, Mar 22, 2020 through Sat, Mar 28, 2020 Articles Linked to on Facebook Sun, Mar 22, 2020 In Just 10 Years, Warming Has Increased the Odds of Disasters by Chelsea Harvey, ...
    1 week ago
  • Rāhui day 3
    I’m here in lockdown with my flatmate and her two girls (6 and 2) and it. is. a time. They’re usually really active so to start with the only boardgame in the house is the copy of Guess Who that the 6 year old got for her birthday. Flatmate commented ...
    The little pakehaBy chrismiller
    1 week ago
  • A test of civil society.
    The CV-19 (COVID) pandemic has seen the imposition of a government ordered national quarantine and the promulgation of a series of measures designed to spread the burden of pain and soften the economic blow on the most strategically important and most vulnerable sectors of society. The national narrative is framed ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 2
    . . Lock Down: Day 2 – A photo essay with observations . March 27 – Day 2 of our Strange New World. The Park and Ride near my suburb, usually filled with hundreds of vehicles, had just… four; . . Another drive into Wellington City on a highway nearly ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • How Do You Feel? What Do You Think?
    Fortune's Children: Under extraordinary pressure, the leader of the Government and the leader of the Opposition will each show us what they are made of. Have they been blessed with intelligence, grace, wit, poise, toughness, empathy and humour – and in what measure? More importantly, to what extent have they ...
    1 week ago
  • Landlords are NOT an essential service
    If you’ve ever had the misfortune of having to rent a property on the open market in New Zealand, which is one of the most expensive in the entire world, you’ll likely be keenly aware of just how arrogant and entitled landlords and their real estate agents can be.Unfortunately for ...
    1 week ago
  • A “new Society” post-COVID19 will definitely emerge. The question is: on what path?
    Society-wise, aside from the specific morbidity shall we say of the medically-oriented aspects of this COVID-19 crisis, what is unfolding before the world is in more than one way an instructive study of humanity and reactions to a high intensity, high stress environment in real time. Friends, we are at ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    1 week ago
  • Raise the Bar: Everything you need to know about the wage subsidy
    Right now low waged and insecure workers are feeling the economic brunt of the looming #Covid19 Recession. In response legal advocate Toby Cooper* and hospitality and worker’s rights advocate Chloe Ann-King, are putting together a series of legal blogs about your employment rights: In this legal blog we outline some ...
    PosseBy chloeanneking
    1 week ago
  • The massacre of prisoners in Modelo jail, Bogota, March 21
    by Equipo Jurídico Pueblos and Gearóid Ó Loingsigh (25/03/2020) An escape plan in question On the night of March 21st and the early morning of the 22nd, the forces of the Colombian state stormed into the Modelo prison in Bogotá, murdering 23 prisoners and injuring 83, in response to the ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • We are not America
    When the government banned semi-automatic weapons in response to a terrorist atrocity, gun-nuts were outraged. Mired in toxic American gun culture, they thought owning weapons whose sole purpose was killing people was some sort of "constitutional right", a necessity for "defending themselves" against the government. Now, the Court of Appeal ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • When will we know the lockdown is working?
    Just before midnight on Wednesday March 25, Aotearoa New Zealand entered a countrywide alert level four lockdown. For at least the next four weeks, everyone who isn’t an essential worker is confined to their bubble. We are doing this to stop the explosive growth in people contracting and dying from ...
    SciBlogsBy Siouxsie Wiles
    1 week ago
  • Lock Down: Day 1
    . . Lock Down: Day 1 – A photo essay with observations . Day one of the Level 4 nationwide lock-down (or, DefCon 4 as I sometimes cheekily call it) started at 11.59PM on 25 March. For a moment, most of the nation held it’s collective breath. In that brief ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • A Compelling Recollection.
    Broad, Sunlit Uplands: How those words fired my young imagination! Or, perhaps, it is more accurate to say: how those words fused, in my young mind, with the image printed on every packet of Fielder’s Cornflour. Always fascinated by history, especially modern history, I cannot hear Churchill’s wonderfully evocative words, even ...
    1 week ago
  • The Warehouse – where everyone gets a virus
    . . 24 March 2020 9.46AM Number of covid19 cases in Aotearoa New Zealand: 102 . As of 11.59 on Thursday, most of New Zealand will go into “lock down”. People will be expected not to travel to work; not to socialise; and to stay home. I will not be ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • Aggressive action to address climate change could save the world $145 trillion
    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections A respected research group, Project Drawdown, finds that deploying solutions consistent with meeting the Paris climate targets would cost tens of trillions of dollars globally. But crucially, those outlays would also yield long-term savings many times larger than the up-front costs. The new 2020 Drawdown ...
    1 week ago
  • After the Pandemic
    It will pass. What happens next? Not immediately, but longer term. There are many opinions, fewer certainties. Will it “change everything!” as many confidently, and contradictorily predict? In this post I look at how foresight can help bound some of the uncertainties so you can more objectively consider the future. ...
    SciBlogsBy Robert Hickson
    1 week ago
  • Coronavirus – Cuba shows the way
    We’ve been meaning t write something on Cuba and the coronavirus but have just discovered a very good article on the subject in the US left publication Jacobin.  The article looks at how Cuba, a poor country but one where capitalism has been done away with, is leading the way ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Using privacy law to prevent the death penalty
    In 2018, El Shafee Elsheikh and Alexanda Kotey - two British citizens who had purportedly been stripped of their citizenship by the British government - were captured while fighting for Isis in Syria. The British government then conspired to hand them over to the US, and agreed to provide evidence ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • It’s Time For Disaster Socialism.
    Transformers: The disaster of the Great Depression was transformed into a new and fairer society by the democratic socialism of the First Labour Government. The disaster of the Covid-19 Pandemic offers a similar transformative possibility to the Labour-NZ First-Green Government. Seize the time, Jacinda! You will never have a better ...
    1 week ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #12, 2020
    Tamper with The System? Well, we already are. But there's a difference between accidentally trickling sand into a precision gearbox versus formulating a plan to alter it on the fly with improvements in mind. One action is more or less innocently unscrupulous, the other amenable to earning an easy ...
    1 week ago
  • Avoidable hospitalisations: Helping our health system get through COVID-19
    Associate Prof George Thomson, Louise Delany, Prof Nick Wilson While it is possible that New Zealand can use intense public health controls to eradicate COVID-19 from the country – we must also plan for other scenarios where thousands of New Zealanders are sick – including many urgently hospitalised.1 Better resilience ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    2 weeks ago
  • Raise the Bar: 10 questions to ask your employer proposing redundancy
    Kia ora my name is Chloe Ann-King* and I am the founder of Raise the Bar, a campaign and non-profit that gives free legal aid, advocacy and tautoko to hospitality workers in Aotearoa. Right now all over our country hospo workers are being fired at will, having shifts cut or being ...
    PosseBy chloeanneking
    2 weeks ago

  • Further measures to support businesses
    The Government will be introducing legislation to make changes to the Companies Act to help companies facing insolvency due to COVID-19 to remain viable and keep New Zealanders in jobs. The temporary changes include: Giving directors of companies facing significant liquidity problems because of COVID-19 a ‘safe harbour’ from insolvency ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Govt’s COVID plan, economic strength recognised
    The Government’s plan to cushion the blow of COVID-19 by supporting incomes, jobs and businesses, and position the economy to recover has been backed by another international report. International credit rating agency Moody’s today reaffirmed its highest Aaa credit rating on New Zealand, saying the economy is expected to remain ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Funding certainty for sports through COVID-19
    National sports organisations have been given certainty of funding to ensure they can remain viable through the COVID-19 pandemic, Sport and Recreation Minister Grant Robertson announced today. “The global spread of COVID-19 has had a significant impact on sport and recreation in New Zealand, including the cancellation or postponement of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Butchers now allowed to process pork
    Changes have been made to allow butchers to process pork, only for supply to supermarkets or other processors or retailers that are open, Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor has announced. “We carefully weighed the risk of allowing butchers to open their shops for retail customers, but the risk of spreading COVID-19 ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Essential workers leave scheme established
    Essential workers who take leave from work to comply with public health guidance are being supported with a leave scheme to ensure they will continue to receive income, say the Minister of Workplace Relations and Safety Iain Lees-Galloway and Minister for Social Development, Carmel Sepuloni. A number of essential businesses ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Govt WhatsApp helps share COVID-19 information
    A Government WhatsApp channel has been launched to help make information more easily accessible and shareable in the fight against COVID-19. Govt.NZ, which is free to use on any mobile device, will carry information and news for the public, businesses, healthcare providers, not for profits and local government. It can ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Managed departure plan for stranded foreign nationals enables safe, orderly exit
    The Government has announced a plan to enable the safe, orderly exit of tens of thousands of stranded foreign nationals from New Zealand during the current COVID-19 Alert Level 4 restrictions, Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Winston Peters has said. “When we moved into lockdown a week ago, the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Government delivers COVID-19 support to GPs and Pharmacies
    Health Minister Dr David Clark says the Government is delivering on its commitment to support general practice doctors and nurses, and pharmacies on the front-line of our fight against COVID-19. "For us to overcome COVID-19, we need community health services such as general practice and community pharmacy to step up ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Susan Thomas the new Chief High Court Judge
    Justice Susan Thomas has been appointed Chief High Court Judge, Attorney-General David Parker announced today.  She replaces Justice Geoffrey Venning who has resigned from the position.   David Parker paid tribute to Justice Venning, who he said had stewarded the High Court very capably over the last five years.   “On behalf ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Business Finance Guarantee – applications open
    Businesses can start applying to their banks for loans under the Business Finance Guarantee Scheme set up to support the New Zealand economy during the COVID-19 pandemic. “We’re moving quickly to protect New Zealand businesses, jobs and the economy during this unprecedented global economic shock,” Finance Minister Grant Robertson said. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Work starts on ways to fast-track consents to boost recovery from Covid-19 downturn
    Work is underway looking at measures to speed up consents for development and infrastructure projects during the recovery from COVID 19, to provide jobs and stimulate our economy.  Environment Minister David Parker said the COVID-19 pandemic is a serious global crisis that will have a wide ranging and lasting impact ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Advance payments to support contractors
    Advance payments will be made to transport construction industry contractors to retain the workforce and ensure it is ready to quickly gear up to build projects which will be vital to New Zealand’s COVID-19 economic recovery, Transport Minister Phil Twyford announced today. He said keeping the workforce required to build ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Government seeks infrastructure projects
    The Government has tasked a group of industry leaders to seek out infrastructure projects that are ready to start as soon as the construction industry returns to normal to reduce the economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, Economic Development Minister Phil Twyford and Infrastructure Minister Shane Jones say. The Infrastructure ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Health system scaled up to prepare for COVID-19
    Work to scale up the health system in preparation for COVID-19 was today outlined by Health Minister David Clark, as he reported back to the new Epidemic Response Committee. “We are well placed to contain the spread of COVID-19. We have taken early and decisive action at our borders, and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Essential media COVID-19 guidelines refined
    The Government is refining its COVID-19 essential business guidance to include the distribution of news publications for communities which are hard to reach. The Minister of Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media, Kris Faafoi, said the move was in recognition of the importance for New Zealanders who might be harder to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Supermarkets able to open on Easter Sunday
    The Government is ensuring supermarkets can open on Easter Sunday so we can buy groceries, but stay closed on Good Friday allowing workers to take a break. This provides a balanced approach and ensures we avoid large queues that two days closure may cause. “Supermarkets will be able to open ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • New Zealand defence personnel conclude mission at Taji
    Following the successful conclusion of the Building Partner Capacity (BPC) mission at Taji, New Zealand defence personnel are returning to New Zealand from Iraq, in accordance with the Cabinet decision made in June 2019, Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters and Defence Minister Ron Mark announced today. “New Zealand is very ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • State of National Emergency extended
    The State of National Emergency to help stop the spread of COVID-19 has been extended for a further seven days, Minister of Civil Defence Peeni Henare said. The initial declaration on March 25 lasted seven days and can be extended as many times as necessary. “Since we went into isolation ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Strong Govt books support ‘go hard, go early’ response
    New Zealand’s ability to go hard and go early in the fight against COVID-19 has been underpinned by strong Government finances and the growing economy heading into this global pandemic, Finance Minister Grant Robertson says. The Treasury today released the Crown financial statements for the eight months to the end ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Christchurch Hospital Hagley ICU to open to support COVID-19 response
    Health Minister Dr David Clark says 36 new intensive care beds at Christchurch Hospital’s new Hagley building are being fast tracked so they are available for treatment of COVID-19 patients.   The Ministry of Health is working with contractor CPB and Canterbury DHB to enable access to the hospital’s ICU, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Government supports Air NZ freight flights
    The Government has fast-tracked up to $1 million to help Air New Zealand move urgent freight to and from New Zealand, with the first flight to Shanghai leaving tonight, Transport Minister Phil Twyford announced today. Phil Twyford says it’s crucial that trade in vital goods such as medical supplies and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Tariff concessions on COVID-19 related products
    New Zealand will temporarily remove tariffs on all medical and hygiene imports needed for the COVID-19 response. Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker and Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Kris Faafoi said today that the New Zealand Customs Service will apply tariff concessions to all diagnostic reagents and testing ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Clarification of modification to wage subsidy scheme
    Minister of Finance Grant Robertson has clarified that the changes to the wage subsidy scheme announced yesterday mean that employers should be passing on the full subsidy to workers, except in the case where the person’s normal income is less than the level of the subsidy. “We still want employers ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Face masks flowing to DHBs
    Medical face masks from the national reserve supply are now being distributed to District Health Boards, while at the same time local production is being ramped up. Yesterday more than 640,000 masks were sent to DHBS – that is an immediate two week supply, with more to follow in coming ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • COVID-19: Further steps to protect New Zealanders’ jobs
    The Government has made modifications to the wage subsidy scheme to ensure people don’t lose their jobs during the national lockdown. These changes will soften the impact of COVID-19 on workers, families and businesses, and position them to exit the lockdown and look to recovery, Finance Minister Grant Robertson says. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Tax relief for Mycoplasma Bovis farmers
    Farmers whose herds were culled in response to the outbreak of Mycoplasma bovis will be able to minimise the tax treatment of their income in some circumstances. Revenue Minister Stuart Nash says Cabinet has agreed to change the law. It means farmers may be eligible to spread their income over ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • $27 million for NGOs and community groups to continue providing essential services
    A $27 million dollar package, effective immediately, is being provided to social sector services and community groups to ensure they can continue to provide essential support to communities as we stay at home as a nation to stop the spread of COVID-19, Minister for Social Development Carmel Sepuloni announced. “At ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Statement on guilty plea of March 15 terrorist
    “The guilty plea today will provide some relief to the many people whose lives were shattered by what happened on March 15,” Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said. “These guilty pleas and conviction bring accountability for what happened and also save the families who lost loved ones, those who were injured, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • COVID-19 updates
    The Prime Minister is holding daily press conferences to update New Zealanders on the Government's response to COVID-19. Links to videos and transcripts of these updates below. These transcripts also include All of Government press conferences led by Director Ministry of Health's Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield. 25 March: Live update from the Prime ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Police numbers break through 10,000 mark
    Frontline Police numbers have broken through the 10,000 mark for the first time in history as officers step forward to keep the community safe during the COVID19 lockdown. “Two Police graduations in Auckland and Wellington in the past week have been conducted in unprecedented circumstances,” Police Minister Stuart Nash said. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Urgent tax measures for economic recovery
    Urgent legislation has been passed to support the package of economic and social measures needed to recover from the impact of the coronavirus outbreak. “The COVID-19 Response (Taxation and Social Assistance Urgent Measures) Bill will cushion New Zealanders from the worst economic impacts of the COVID-19 outbreak,” said Revenue Minister ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Further support for farmers and growers as drought persists
    From tomorrow, Government support for farmers and growers affected by drought will be expanded and extended across the country, with access to Rural Assistance Payments (RAPS) available throughout the North Island, parts of the South Island and the Chatham Islands, Social Development Minister Carmel Sepuloni announced. “These challenging conditions have ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • COVID-19: Temporary changes to Education Act
    Parliament has passed amendments to legislation that give the Secretary of Education stronger powers to act in the fight to limit the spread of COVID-19, Education Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “They are part of a suite of changes passed under the COVID-19 Response (Urgent Management Measures) Legislation Bill,” Chris ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Canada, Australia, Chile, Brunei and Myanmar join NZ and Singapore in committing to keeping supply a...
    Canada, Australia, Chile, Brunei and Myanmar have joined forces with New Zealand and Singapore by committing to keep supply chains open and remove any existing trade restrictive measures on essential goods, especially medical supplies, in the face of the Covid-19 crisis.  Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker today welcomed ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • COVID-19: Rent increase freeze and more protection for tenants
    Immediate freeze on rent increases Tenancies will not be terminated during the lock-down period, unless the parties agree, or in limited circumstances Tenants who had previously given notice can stay in their if they need to stay in the tenancy during the lock-down period Tenants will still be able to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Working together to protect businesses and workers
    As New Zealand unites to lock-down in the fight against COVID-19, the Finance Minister is urging all businesses and workers to stay connected over the next four weeks. “We understand the extreme pressure many businesses are under right now. I know most business owners think of their workers as family ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • State of National Emergency declared to fight COVID-19
    A State of National Emergency has been declared across the country as the Government pulls out all the stops to curtail the spread of COVID-19. “Today we put in place our country’s second ever State of National Emergency as we fight a global pandemic, save New Zealanders’ lives and prevent ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Prime Minister’s statement on State of National Emergency and Epidemic Notice
    Mr Speaker I wish to make a Ministerial Statement under Standing Order 347 in relation to the recent declaration of a State of National Emergency. Having considered the advice of the Director Civil Defence Emergency Management, the Minister of Civil Defence declared a State of National Emergency for the whole of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Deadline for domestic travel extended
    People needing to travel on domestic flights, trains and Cook Strait ferries to get home before the country moves into level 4 lock-down tomorrow night will be able to continue using the passenger services until midnight on Friday, Transport Minister Phil Twyford said today. Domestic passenger services, particularly ferries, have ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Mortgage holiday and business finance support schemes to cushion COVID impacts
    The Government, retail banks and the Reserve Bank are today announcing a major financial support package for home owners and businesses affected by the economic impacts of COVID-19. The package will include a six month principal and interest payment holiday for mortgage holders and SME customers whose incomes have been ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago