How empires end

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1. Colonial Viper 1

   25 July 2011 at 12:39 am

   Very very ugly situation. Real unemployment rate is at least 12% and much higher once you count in all the under-employed and ‘independent contractors’ etc who in reality are not actually working.

   US is also on the verge of being targeted by the same borderless financial forces taking Greece, Italy, etc. down. US CDS spreads are widening and the credit rating agencies have signalled than downgrades are likely even if the debt ceiling is raised.

   QE3 is almost a certainty. Savers and pension funds are being destroyed, speculators and bankers rewarded.

   All it would take now is for US debt to go back up to its historical mean of 6% p.a. That level of interest on a national debt of $15T…well do the math.
   • Vicky32 1.1

     25 July 2011 at 5:42 pm

     QE3 is almost a certainty. Savers and pension funds are being destroyed, speculators and bankers rewarded.
     All it would take now is for US debt to go back up to its historical mean of 6% p.a. That level of interest on a national debt of $15T…well do the math.

     It’s all horribly apocalyptic…. Not zombies but Republicans (and from where I sit, there doesn’t seem to be much difference..)
2. erentz 2

   25 July 2011 at 1:01 am

   Bugger. I am meant to move to the states in October, when I agreed to go i thought things were pretty bad, but surely the right corrections must come eventually despite all the republican douchebaggery, but it seems not. I’m continually being surprised as things get rapidly worse. 🙁
   • Colonial Viper 2.1

     25 July 2011 at 1:03 am

     Hope your contract is not in USD, that currency will be near worthless after QE3. Smart money has moved into silver, gold and swiss francs as long term stores of value.
3. weka 3

   25 July 2011 at 1:49 am

   What will happen if the US defaults on its debt?
   • Locus 3.1

     25 July 2011 at 2:33 am

     “Most experts agree that if the US were to default on its debt payments, stock and bond markets worldwide would plunge, threatening a new great recession”
     • Colonial Viper 3.1.1

       25 July 2011 at 4:14 am

       Don’t believe a word of it. There’s not going to be any ‘new’ great recession, just the same one we have had for the last 4 years, worsening.

       Stock markets have been running up around the world magnificently for the last 2 years along with commodity prices, even though the economy has been getting worse and worse for 99% of people.

       The financial markets no longer represent fundamentals that people experience in the economy, in the slightest.

       A stock market crash, renewed credit freeze etc. is simply going to be another threat laid on us and on governments by the bankster occupiers. ‘Hand over all your remaining cash, and all your remaining assets, or else’.

       We thought 2008 was about TBTF, but we should realise that the US and the EU have let the banksters and the leverage get even bigger since then. Rough times.
       • weka 3.1.1.1

         25 July 2011 at 9:54 am

         So what do you think would happen if the US defaults, CV?
         • Rusty Shackleford 3.1.1.1.1

           25 July 2011 at 2:38 pm

           The debt ceiling and defaulting aren’t the same thing. The US treasury still collects trillions a year in taxes. They will just have to make some decisions about where that cash goes. They can still cover the interest on the money they borrowed so there is little risk of default. Just that they will (should have back in “07) to cut services. They should (but won’t) end the wars.
           • Colonial Viper 3.1.1.1.1.1

             25 July 2011 at 3:25 pm

             They can still cover the interest on the money they borrowed so there is little risk of default.

             Some of the debt matures in August. So it’s payments of interest and principle.

             Just that they will (should have back in “07) to cut services. They should (but won’t) end the wars.

             Well at the moment they are stealing, ahem, borrowing from other government accounts to pay the bills.

             Not sure why you should consider cutting services and benefits to the most vulnerable and distressed in your society and not just levy say a 10% assets tax on the top 1% in the country.

             Shucks, they could even make a few rule changes and ensure that big oil, GE, Apple, etc paid their fair share to the running of the country. Currently its not unusual for an oil major to make a few billion in profits and end up with a tax refund. Neat huh.
         • Colonial Viper 3.1.1.1.2

           25 July 2011 at 3:44 pm

           Hey weka, off the top of my head

           1) US credit rating downgrade to AA, leading to increased yields on Treasuries and increases in CDS spreads. It will get more expensive for the US Government to borrow funds (probably closer to the historical mean of 6% pa up from around 3% now). If it is a true default, a bunch of big banks will be hit hard with consequent CDS obligations.

           2) The temperature of debate in Washington DC over a spending vs revenues (taxes) package will hot up further. Lines will harden further and deadlock will entrench itself. Both parties are aware that its only 12 months to elections and are positioning accordingly.

           3) Severe governmental spending cuts will be enacted. If the Republicans get their way the spending cuts will be horrific and lead to a massive slow down in the US (and global) economy. Unemployment in the US will worsen. if the Democrats get their way the spending cuts will merely be ‘very severe’ and a significant (but not quite as severe) global slow down will still result.

           4) Demand for US Treasuries will decline (which will force the increased yields mentioned above).

           5) The Federal Reserve may very well end up having to buy Treasury debt issuances to make sure no debt issues fail to be 100% picked up. This effectively brings about Quantiative Easing 3: where the privately owned Federal Reserve prints billions upon billions of USD to buy Treasury bonds. (Ironically, the US Government will have to pay ~6% interest to the Federal Reserve on that newly created from thin air money).

           6) The value of the USD will drop like a stone as major holders try and exchange it for hard assets of real value before they become so much worthless scrip. (Farms and hydrodams are nice hard assets to pick up using worthless USD. It’d be like foreign colonial traders buying up Maori land for glass beads and whisky). Gold and silver will rocket up in value, as will the price of many basic commodities. Widespread hunger/fuel poverty will ensue and the NZD will go to near parity with the USD, destroying what is left of our export manufacturing sector.

           7) Where possible international trade will be increasingly conducted in ways which avoid the USD and its volatility/debasement. American financial power will decline further as the USD’s position as the world reserve currency is slowly but surely impaired. Once large amounts of the oil trade are conducted in something other than USD, the special status of the USD is over.

           8) Fragility to additional financial shocks (eg. from the EU) or other shocks in general will increase. More financial attacks against sovereign nations can be expected. As the US rolls over its debt month by month the new higher interest rate charges will start to apply. What’s 6% on $14.5T again?

           9) A war started somewhere to stimulate US military spending and distract the population. Somewhere with lots of oil is a good bet.
       • Draco T Bastard 3.1.1.2

         25 July 2011 at 12:53 pm

         The financial markets no longer represent fundamentals that people experience in the economy, in the slightest.

         What do you mean “no longer”? They never did.
         • Colonial Viper 3.1.1.2.1

           25 July 2011 at 3:04 pm

           Well, they used to a little bit, on a cyclical basis leading fundamentals changes in the real economy by 6 months or so 🙂
     • mik e 3.1.2

       25 July 2011 at 12:52 pm

       It would depend on who gets hold of the upper house and presidency if we end up with the republicans in charge with the tea party pushing them the proverbial will hit the fan!
4. Jenny 4

   25 July 2011 at 6:03 am

   .
   Grant Morgan calls for left unity in the face of what he identifies as a terminal crisis in “global capitalism”.

   unityaotearoa.blogspot.com

   …..mired in the bog of war across the Middle East, with the greenback weakening as the world reserve currency, US imperial hegemony is ebbing away ever more quickly, yet China is beset with economic, political, social and ecological problems which are growing at a faster pace than the global reach of its Communist Party rulers, creating a leadership vacuum at the heart of the world system, and
   These and other world historic upheavals, in combination, point towards the end times of the 500-year-old civilisation we know as “global capitalism”.

   Grant Morgan
5. infused 5

   25 July 2011 at 6:49 am

   In the short term, damm it’s cheap buying online. Go hard.
6. Red Rosa 6

   25 July 2011 at 7:14 am

   George W Bush aimed to bankrupt the US, so his mates could buy it cheap.

   Joking? Just take a look at the current situation. Banks to big to fail, and corporations too big to sue. Hugely expensive wars, leaving a trail of destruction to no apparent purpose, with big parts of the cost concealed. A military-industrial complex unaccountable in both senses.

   Power is there to be taken. And the US populace has voted to move power away from ‘government’ to a sort of theo-kleptocracy of the Far Right, fuelled by Fox News.

   Sad end to a great nation. If you believe the christians, then Gibbon and Marx must both be watching, intrigued.
7. Colonial Viper 7

   25 July 2011 at 7:16 am

   FT just announced that China and Iran are discussing how to bypass the USD entirely (and hence all US sanctions, and volatility due to mass printing of USD) in order to conduct an oil trade worth many billions per year.
8. travellerev 8

   25 July 2011 at 7:36 am

   The only good news coming out of all this is that if banks such as BofA collapse even more than they have done already, which is all but inevitable, John Key who has most of his dosh in shares in said BofA will loose a huge chunk of said dosh overnight if he hasn’t already. And since he made his money with the crap these bank have been selling I can only say: Well deserved!!!
   • travellerev 8.1

     25 July 2011 at 7:46 am

     Oh, and I told you so, oh, about four years ago.
     • Gosman 8.1.1

       25 July 2011 at 8:08 am

       You don’t even understand the nature of what derivatives are and think they were made illegal from the 1930’s through to 1980’s even though the CBOT and CME specialised in trading them during that period so why should we take anything you write seriously.
       • travellerev 8.1.1.1

         25 July 2011 at 8:10 am

         ROFL! Ignore at your own peril cowboy hat boy, and go do some homework!
         • Gosman 8.1.1.1.1

           25 July 2011 at 8:20 am

           I asked you a question a number of times before which you seem to be doing your best to ignore for some reason.

           Do you believe buying insurance is a bad thing?
           • travellerev 8.1.1.1.1.1

             25 July 2011 at 8:27 am

             Why would I believe insurance is a bad thing? (Was great when my water tank crapped out) and with that question you show your ignorance with regards to many Derivatives in their current form and the ones which were made illegal after the great depression. Now go and do your own research and don’t bother the grown ups with your ignorance.

             And yes, I try to do the polite thing and be gentle with people who show your level of aggressive ignorance, because I know your young and insecure, by ignoring you somewhat.

             I suspect your first girlfriend will be able to help you with that eventually but I tire of young, ignorant males with insecurity issues so go away and do some growing up!
             • Gosman …

               25 July 2011 at 8:35 am

               I asked you about insurance because that is essentially what Derivatives are. Even those complex financial derivatives such as CDO’s and CDS are essentially designed to protect investors in the event of default by some party.

               So in your frenzied desire to outlaw something you know next to nothing about you are trying to stop something which you actually believe in.

               Truly weird.
               • Lazy Susan …

                 25 July 2011 at 1:25 pm

                 Oh that’s right Gosman you mean insurance such as that provided by AIG

                 I do know what derivatives are and I do know that they can provide insurance against losses. The problem is that the current casino that is the global financial system is one giant deregulated ponzi scheme that is being propped up by the tax payers.

                 The over-leveraging in the current financial system has not even begun to unwind. Unless governments have the will to take on the financial elite the rich will continue to get richer and the other 99.9% will continue to get poorer. Not a great recipe for social stability I would suggest.
               • mik e …

                 25 July 2011 at 2:46 pm

                 So where do the funds come for these derivatives Gosman and why haven,t they worked. was it because they were over sold, a ponzi scheme if they were such good insurance why did the banks that were selling them collapse.And need to be bailed out.The only reason their not outlawed now is the likes of Goldman Sachs are to big and powerful and no republican house would ever dream of pulling them into line!
             • Gosman …

               25 July 2011 at 8:46 am

               BTW I am truly humbled and pleased that you feel I look so fresh faced and youthful but for your information I am on the wrong side of 35 with three kids, a mortgage, and a good paying job. By all means though please keep stroking my ego by calling me young. 😉
               • travellerev …

                 25 July 2011 at 11:43 am

                 LMAO,
                 Sure cowboy hat boy, whatever you say. More fool you for being as ignorant as you are.

                 For those of you wanting to read up on derivatives:

                 And here is a link to a film about the financial crisis of two years ago:
                 Inside Job

                 It also has a very nice analysis about the sociopathy and needed to function as an investment banker.
                  
                  
                 • Draco T Bastard …

                   25 July 2011 at 1:18 pm

                   And here is a link to a film about the financial crisis of two years ago:
                   Inside Job

                   Loved the way that one showed the economists changing their story (ie, lying) after everything they said turned out not to be correct and showed that they’d effectively been paid to say what they did.
           • mik e 8.1.1.1.1.2

             25 July 2011 at 12:38 pm

             Gosman its a good thing if the company supplying it has solid asset backing, if its backed by ponzi scheming Speculative multi national tax avoiding banks who don,t have to answer to any govt its what causes catastrophies like the recent melt down.But when they get into trouble guess what, they go running to the US ,UK German Chinese Governments for a Bail out which the poorer tax payers have to pick up the bill. ie Greece where irresponsible banks that lent them all this money in the first place they are being asked by the German govt to pick up some of the bill rightly so . They are crying foul and are trying to blackmail the German Govt by drying up funds .so in short you argument shows complete lack of Knowledge in this area.Meryl l LYNCH crashed because tey didn,t have insiders in the Bush administration so got wasted leaving Goldman Sachs with no competitor. Just what you would expect from thes predator of the financial world.yeah they used the rating agencies to help perpetrate this whole fiasco and here in our country we have the branch mangers Key English and Joyce
             • Gosman …

               25 July 2011 at 1:13 pm

               The your problem is with people speculating using derivatives not with the derivatives themselves. Heck I could even be persuaded in the benefits of that argument.

               However that is not what travellerev is stating. She thinks the derivative themselves are the problem, which just highlights her complete and utter ignorance of what they actually are.
               • travellerev …

                 25 July 2011 at 1:32 pm

                 Give a bunch of kids some bombs to play with and really… the bombs are not the problem. LOL.

                 Here is a link to a series of articles called the financial Tsunami.

                 I’m off to do some stuff in the real world. Later!
                 • Gosman …

                   25 July 2011 at 2:28 pm

                   That is my point – Derivatives aren’t bombs. They are not even close to being bombs. They are designed to insure against risks. Of course they might make it difficult to understand that risk or to enable some people to excessivly leverage their position. However that is a matter of Risk management not a problem with the products themselves. It is like stating that because you can kill someone with a fork you should outlaw the use of all forks.
                   • prism …

                     25 July 2011 at 2:41 pm

                     @Gosman – But I understand forks and the amount of risk in dealing with them. There is little trickiness about forks. And the buyer does not sell them with an agenda that if successful, will reduce their usefulness and undermines their future value. Simple market forces operate with forks, not so with the financial finagling that derivatives traders have been able to weave.
                   • mik e …

                     25 July 2011 at 3:03 pm

                     Gosman its actually a type of corporate welfare it means if say the us economy crashes those who have huge investments in derivatives ie boehner house leader for the republicans has huge money tied up in these investments which basically means he is taking a bet on the US economy crashing .So he,s pushing an agenda to make the US economy crash . Insider trading its called. derivatives are nothing more than a bet on a future outcome.if the company providing cover goes belly up be cause they. ve over sold ie Goldman Sachs Meryll Lyynch . They either go belly up or get rescued if they have people in White house
                   • Gosman …

                     25 July 2011 at 3:13 pm

                     Depends on your view prism.

                     The initial cause of the financial crisis in 2007/2008 was not tricky Derivatives but a good old fashioned credit bubble.

                     Derivatives may very magnify the impact of a bubble bursting but it can also minimise losses. It all depends on how they are used.

                     There may well be a case to be made to restrict speculation in Derivatives but to argue they need to be outlawed is just ignorance of the highest order.
     • mik e 8.1.2

       25 July 2011 at 1:04 pm

       He might have one form of Derivatives which a lot of right wing power brokers do, so it would benefit them if everything goes belly up. They will become even more powerful while the rest of us will have beg with the old brown sugar sack and hope theirs enough people left with some turnips and a few scraps.these derivatives are sold by the banks who are causing the problems by irresponsibly lending to those countries that can,t afford the loans so its a win win for them . No doubt the govts will print and bail out again.
       • travellerev 8.1.2.1

         25 July 2011 at 3:50 pm

         For those of you still wasting time on Gosman.

         This is how Gosman operates. He doesn’t want debates about real issues. he just picks one and sees how far he can push it.

         I have in earlier versions of this discussion already diversified the forms of derivatives I was talking about. Some forms of derivatives strictly regulated have been in place to be used as forms of insurance and that makes a lot of sense.

         But the derivatives, which I already explained earlier, I am talking about are the ones which allow for gambling on and manipulating of prices of foods and fuel for example (to name but a few) plus derivatives build upon other dangerous product such as mortgages inviting huge bubbles and down right fraud.

         Gosman is not stupid and knows this but he just wants to waste time  mieren neuken or “ant fucking” as we call it in Holland.

         Added to that he was one of only three idiot still believing the official 911 conspiracy bull after Richard Gages presentation about building 7 which was simple and lucid enough to make about 600 people think that a new and independent investigation was probably a good idea.

         Engage at your peril!
9. mickysavage 9

   25 July 2011 at 8:29 am

   An American friend of mine made the very salient point yesterday that no matter what happens America’s governance is now recoginsed as being sub standard and a threat to the desire of anyone wanting to do business in the US.
    
   The Republicans obviously adhere to the view that “to save the village you have to destroy the village”.  Either that or there are too many of them who are stupid enough to believe their rhetoric.
    
   Funny times.
    
10. Policy Parrot 10

    25 July 2011 at 8:47 am

    I’m increasingly of the opinion that Obama and the Democrats could grab a super-majority in the Senate after the next election.

    The Republican obstructionism is increasingly being seen for what it is, an abdication of the responsibility to govern the country within the framework outlined by the founders of the Republic.

    Thought I might provide some context.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyIZIiY81Ek

    I don’t believe even Americans are that anti-tax that they would consider attacks on Medicare under the Ryan plan as more palatable.

    The Republican presidential primary will be interesting… Bachmann, for example who constantly criticises the reach of the “bloated” federal government, perhaps should consider starting deficit reduction talks at home, with her own farm estimated to have received US $1 million in subsidies over the last 8 years – put your own pork on the table first, huh?
    • Lanthanide 10.1

      25 July 2011 at 10:11 am

      “The Republican obstructionism is increasingly being seen for what it is, an abdication of the responsibility to govern the country within the framework outlined by the founders of the Republic.”

      Yeah, I agree. This budget crisis with the republicans refusing with Obama’s very very reasonable solution makes them look like children and Obama look like a principled statesmen. He can always say “look, I tried”.
    • mik e 10.2

      25 July 2011 at 3:18 pm

      Its the rural republicans that are keeping these subsidies as well as stopping free agricultural trade. while these same people are telling us we shouldn,t be protecting pharmac. we are not aloud to compete in dairying but fonterra is aloud to build their dairy sector on the back of our profits. Bully on the block thats your free market republican tea party, can health care look after their rural support base at all costs,
    • ChrisH 10.3

      25 July 2011 at 11:15 pm

      I think this is possible. On several occasions the USA has come close to being taken over by RWNJs, for instance the KKK was doing frighteningly well in the 1920s, as an anti-immigration party: http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/database/article_display.cfm?HHID=444 .

      But always sooner or later there seems to have been some kind of wave of revulsion as it gradually became clear just how nutty the RWNJs really were. The Americans always managed to avoid going over the waterfall the way the Germans did in 1933, save perhaps arguably in 1861 when they had to fight.

      HOPEFULLY sanity will prevail again this time and certainly people like Breivik in Norway are doing their damndest to cause a big backlash against the extreme guns-n-ammo right, if anything good comes of it.

      See also here, in more economic terms, in the Daily Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8655106/Im-starting-to-think-that-the-Left-might-actually-be-right.html .
    • DS 10.4

      26 July 2011 at 7:28 pm

      Unfortunately, there are only nine Republican seats up for grabs in the 2012 Senate elections, as opposed to twenty-three Democrats. Simply holding the Senate will be good for the Democrats: a super-majority is out of the question.
11. Colonial Viper 11

    25 July 2011 at 10:16 am

    Rep Sen Mitch McConnell once famously said that his most important political goal was to make Obama a one term president.

    Governing the US and leading its people forward into the future did not feature.
12. Afewknowthetruth 12

    25 July 2011 at 10:19 am

    I find it amusing and saddening that some people still think there is a difference betweeen the Democrats and the Republicans. They are just two faces of the same coin -coporate capitalism- and the same corporations that sponsor Republican candidates into office sponsor Democrat candidates into office. What we see publicly is just a chirade, a performance carefully scripted to maintain the illusion of democracy, while the real decisions are made elsewhere -such as in the boardroom of Goldman Sachs or at garden parties at the Hamptons. .

    The real cause if this present crisis is rarely mentioned, of course: peak oil. US extraction of oil peaked in 1970 and has been in decline ever since, which means that the superficial wealth that comes from oil extraction has been declining since 1971, and once the crossover point was passed the US became increasingly dependent on imported oil (hence the various invasions and sponsorship of terrorism in oil-rich regions of the world by the US).

    Cheap oil underpins everything (including fractional reserve banking, leveraging and Ponzi schemes). Every day that passes sees around 85 million barrels of a non-renewable resource converted mostly into waste and every day it gets more difficult to extract the oil that is left.

    The US empire is the largest subset of many subsets which make up industrial civilisation; industrial civilisation is in terminal decline and will collapse over the next decade or two. Anyone who thinks otherwise is grossly uninformed or utterly deluded.

    As matters get worse we could well see the US morph from a covertly fascist state into an overtly fascist state, with the military being used with increasing viciousness to acquire oil and to suppress domestic dissent. All the anti-democratic legislation necessary was put in place under the Shrub, and President War-is-peace has done nothing to repeal it any of, of course, In fact President War-is-peace has broken EVERY election promise he made.
    • Draco T Bastard 12.1

      25 July 2011 at 1:32 pm

      The real cause if this present crisis is rarely mentioned, of course: peak oil.

      That’s not exactly true either. The real cause for the “crisis” is capitalism itself and it’s need for perpetual, exponential growth.
13. Bill 13

    25 July 2011 at 11:03 am

    The Democrats will compromise. The compromise will be disastrous on a number of fronts.

    Any resultant policy will be ineffective. The compromise will mean that the Democrats will have, yet again sold out their constituency in the name of political pragmaticism. The ineffectiveness of rolled out policy will be used by the Republicans to attack the Democrats. And the sell out will ensure that the Tea Party and their ilk attract more adherents and the Democrats more (deserved) opprobrium from across the board.
    • prism 13.1

      25 July 2011 at 1:36 pm

      Bill You’re so wrong, so wrong, so wrong. I wish.
14. AAMC 14

    25 July 2011 at 11:33 am

    At which point do the Americans choose to engage in what is supposed to be the greatest liberal Democracy in History and disengage in “The American Dream”, I’m often frustrated by the sleepwalking masses of NZ, but Edward Bernays really did a great job on the Americans.
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-678466363224520614#docid=2641575773935962254

    At which point do all of those people on food stamps and in ghetto’s take to the streets? Seems long overdue that a country founded on revolution rekindles it’s founding spirit.
    • Colonial Viper 14.1

      25 July 2011 at 12:13 pm

      Whats happened is that Americans as a whole don’t see the struggles they are going through as a societal issue, but rather a personal issue. And the civic institutions which used to organise them e.g. unions have all been broken down.

      Further the Americans who have been politicised have often been convinced to protest against their own interests. Tea Partiers on medicaid pushing for government spending cuts etc.

      Still, there will come a time.
      • AAMC 14.1.1

        25 July 2011 at 1:04 pm

        I understand the disconnect, but it does seem surreal that the swindle is now so profound and there is no public outcry and potentially – as you allude CV – a push by those suffering the most to support those who hurt them the most.

        It would be an entertaining watch if we weren’t likely to be pulled down by them.

        Still, I’d like to see a default and the the reverse of Republican desires. Their aim is to shrink Govt, but if there isn’t a compromise reached at the final hour, it’ll be the private sector that shrinks, achieving the opposite to their desires.
        http://www.slate.com/id/2299460/
        • Colonial Viper 14.1.1.1

          25 July 2011 at 1:12 pm

          One insight is that the Republicrats aren’t interested in assisting the private sector as a whole; they are only interested in assisting the big corporate private sector, and even more specifically, the big banks.

          One reason is because as the private sector sinks under a mass of unmanageable debt, the big banks will be able to swoop in and scoop up all those business assets and homes for cents on the dollar.

          That’s a massive pay day for the big financiers, especially since those debts were becoming valueless as the USD becomes valueless. Way better to hold the hard asset collateral underlying the debt instead.
          • travellerev 14.1.1.1.1

            25 July 2011 at 4:06 pm

            He CV are you on facebook aka facistbook? If so could you link to my page travellerev ev?
            • Colonial Viper 14.1.1.1.1.1

              25 July 2011 at 4:42 pm

              You do know that the big time intel guys (not the chip makers ahem) have customised full access data mapping feeds from FB, Gmail etc? (Acording to Assange) 🙂
              • travellerev …

                25 July 2011 at 7:08 pm

                Hon, I’ve been on the list a long time.

                I once talked to Doug Rokke, who was the specialist clean up guy for the US army until he went public with his info on DU in a doco called beyond treason and when I told him I had received a comment on my blog from a guy called Roger Helbig defending the use of DU he told me to call the police and lodge a complaint because the guy was a CIA paid guy who harasses people who write critically about DU and he gave me three other names of guys doing the same. They all checked out. It took them less then half a day to find my little old blog in far away NZ. That was three years ago.

                Here is what journalist Felicity Arbuthnot has to say about him. the photo’s are shocking but I reckon that is going to be nothing compared to what we are going to see when the Fukushima cancers are going to show.

                I have been visiting international 911 truth conferences and keep in touch with many of the activist and peace activists such a Cindy Sheehan who famously sat on George Bush’s driveway to ask him why here son had to die in Iraq via Facebook. If I’m not on a list somewhere I’m not doing my job very well.
                • Colonial Viper …

                  26 July 2011 at 8:25 am

                  *Respect* 🙂
                  • travellerev …

                    26 July 2011 at 10:44 pm

                    ah, shucks 🙂
                • prism …

                  26 July 2011 at 11:21 pm

                  @travellerev It is a good idea to explain abbreviations at least once in a comment. I realised it is a long time since I saw ‘DU’ and had to google it to find that it is depleted uranium. There was supposed to be a lot in Iraq I remember.
                  • McFlock …

                    26 July 2011 at 11:39 pm

                    Still is – because it’s the best armour penetrator out there, it got thrown around like confetti (not just tank rounds – rapid fire cannon on aircraft and infantry vehicles), micro-particlised and inhaled / ingested.
                    It’s a bit like land mines – causes lots of suffering for years after a conflict is over, but is so useful the military (and their suppliers)  wants to disperse it liberally throughout the theatre, and will right up until it gets outlawed.
                     
                     
                  • travellerev …

                    27 July 2011 at 8:30 am

                    Sorry Prism,

                    You’re absolutely right. It is absolutely everywhere there are conflicts. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, former Yugoslavia. In fact they even found particles at the space station.

                    According to Doug Rokke the US gives the ammunition away but France and England also produce Depleted Uranium ammunition.

                    It is also no longer limited to armour penetrating ammunition. Bullets are made from the stuff too and since it starts to produce it’s toxic nano dust the moment is shot  it is an equal opportunity killer. America soldiers are dying en mass from cancers and unexplained illnesses caused by DU just like the people in the war zones. It is hideous and a war crime of the greatest magnitude.
                    • prism …

                      27 July 2011 at 12:30 pm

                      We need another Princess Diana who has the fame and ideals to bring this ghastly DU offense weapon to public notice and condemnation just like the mines she protested about. She wasn’t just a pretty face for sure.
      • Vicky32 14.1.2

        25 July 2011 at 6:33 pm

            Whats happened is that Americans as a whole don’t see the struggles they are going through as a societal issue, but rather a personal issue.

        That seems to be the essence of it, to me… I was listening to an American song on my MP3 player today, and the first line

        is “They say no man’s an island/But I beg to disagree”… Funny I’d never really questioned that before!
        • Bill 14.1.2.1

          25 July 2011 at 6:45 pm

          They say that no man is an island.
          But then they say our castles are our homes…
        • Colonial Viper 14.1.2.2

          25 July 2011 at 6:58 pm

          Here’s another MP3 for you on this very topic.

          http://rdwolff.com/content/capitalist-crisis-and-personal-relationships
          • travellerev 14.1.2.2.1

            27 July 2011 at 8:35 am

            Cheers!
15. johnm 15

    25 July 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Pushing Crisis: Republicans Cry Wolf on Debt Ceiling in Order to Impose Radical Pro-Rich Agenda. Naomi Klein’s Shock Doctrine again! Talk up a false chimera crisis to get further impoverishment of everyday Americans implemented
    Michael Hudson:

    “He’s quite right. This is an awful piece of legislation, and it’s too bad that Mr. Obama supports it. But you could see it all coming even before Mr. Obama took office, when he appointed the Deficit Reduction Commission. He appointed opponents of Social Security to the commission: Republican Senator Simpson and Erskine Bowles, who was Clinton’s chief of staff. Obama really believes in trickle-down economics. He believes that Wall Street are job creators, not downsizers and outsourcers and foreclosures. That’s the tragedy of all this.

    Now, how—the question is, how can a Democratic president put forth a Republican program? There has to be a crisis. Now in reality there is no crisis at all. In reality, raising the debt ceiling has been done for a hundred years automatically. There is no connection between raising the debt ceiling and arguing over tax policy. Tax policy takes many years to work out. All of a sudden, Mr. Obama is going along with the charade of saying, “Wait a minute, let’s create a crisis.” As his former manager Rahm Emanuel said, a crisis is too important an opportunity to waste. But Wall Street doesn’t like real crises, so there’s an artificial non-crisis that Obama is treating as a crisis so that he can put forth the recommendations of the Deficit Reduction Commission to get rid of Social Security that he has supported all along. That’s the problem. He believes it.

    “Well, you had this kind of debt ceiling come up, I think, maybe 20 times under Bush’s administration. It’s a non-threatening thing. It’s something automatic. It’s technical. It’s sort of like going to the corner and having a notary public certify what you’ve done. It’s a technical thing that has nothing to do with real economy or policy at all. They’re pretending it’s a crisis because they have a plan. And the plan is what Mr. Boehner has put forth. Just like after 9/11, the Pentagon pulled out a plan for Iraq’s oil fields, Wall Street has a plan to really clean up now, to really put the class war back in business and get rid of Medicare, get rid of the programs for the poor, and say, “There’s no money for you. We’ve given it all away in the bailouts.”

    Refer link: http://michael-hudson.com/ “Saving the Gambling Bankers”

    Nact given the chance will do the same here in NZ. They don’t believe the common good exists,everything must ultimately be privatised with the huge inequalities that must result as we copy the Banana Republic up North.
16. Longinius Howard 16

    25 July 2011 at 12:58 pm

    http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2011/jul/07/how-fdr-did-it/
    • Afewknowthetruth 16.1

      25 July 2011 at 1:15 pm

      FDR had an increasing supply of oil and a largely rural society that was connected to reality at his disposal.

      Neither now applies.

      As AAMC pointed out, Bernays did a magnificent job in deluding the American people. And much of the delusion spread across the South Pacific.

      Bernanke fired the last ‘bullet’ when the Fed dropped interest rates to prevent the US economy imploding immediately. He bought a little time and allowed the hole to be dug a bit deeper.
      • Rusty Shackleford 16.1.1

        25 July 2011 at 1:35 pm

        “How FDR Did It”
        Did what? Create the longest depression in history?
        • Zaphod Beeblebrox 16.1.1.1

          25 July 2011 at 1:39 pm

          Yeah he did when he cut spending. That was before he ran up the the biggest govt deficit in US history winning WW2. We all know what happened next.
          • Colonial Viper 16.1.1.1.1

            25 July 2011 at 2:16 pm

            Massive boom of industrial and middle class wealth in the US through the 1950’s and 1960s.

            Many years of which the top income tax rate was set at 91%.
            • Rusty Shackleford 16.1.1.1.1.1

              25 July 2011 at 2:32 pm

              Did total tax receipts increase under that tax regime? If not, how could such a high rate be considered anything other than punitive? (Although, I know both Obama and yourself are in favor of punitive taxation).
              • McFlock …

                25 July 2011 at 3:32 pm

                damn, wish I could be punished like that. Oh Noes, the gummint is taking most of the money I earn over a really large amount!
                • Colonial Viper …

                  25 July 2011 at 4:01 pm

                  Indeed. Equivalent threshold in todays dollars was about US$2M p.a.

                  Rusty, not sure re: tax take, but WWII debt was rapidly paid off, and it was part of a very successful industrial economy package for the middle class.
17. Rusty Shackleford 17

    25 July 2011 at 1:32 pm

    Wasn’t a big portion of the debt run up under Obama?
    • The Voice of Reason 17.1

      25 July 2011 at 1:39 pm

      A bit desperate there, Rusty. C -, must try harder next time.
      • Rusty Shackleford 17.1.1

        25 July 2011 at 1:46 pm

        C- is a passing mark. So you agree with my statement?
        • Campbell Larsen 17.1.1.1

          25 July 2011 at 1:47 pm

          C – is a restricted pass, and as such cannot be used to fulfil the pre requisite requirement for further study in the discipline
          • Colonial Viper 17.1.1.1.1

            25 July 2011 at 1:49 pm

            Rusty’s satisfied with his C- it seems.
            • Rusty Shackleford 17.1.1.1.1.1

              25 July 2011 at 1:58 pm

              Did Obama run up the deficit or not?
              • Zaphod Beeblebrox …

                25 July 2011 at 8:10 pm

                So you agree, he should be allowed to raise taxes?
            • prism 17.1.1.1.1.2

              25 July 2011 at 2:33 pm

              Next questions from Rusty – why is the sky blue? Why is water wet? And over and over. No elucidation will ever accrete. For him blogging is a game to pass idle time.
              • Rusty Shackleford …

                25 July 2011 at 2:44 pm

                “For him blogging is a game to pass idle time.”
                What else would it be for?

                It seems plain that Obama ran up the deficit. The whole crux of the article is that “For 30 years, Republicans have cut taxes and upped (defence) spending.”
                But, this is equally true of Democrats. Especially the current president. Makes the whole article kind of dishonest.
                • Colonial Viper …

                  25 July 2011 at 3:00 pm

                  “For 30 years, Republicans have cut taxes and upped (defence) spending.”
                  But, this is equally true of Democrats.

                  That’s why they’re both Republicrats.

                  Don’t you know mate, in the States you can either vote for The Bankers Party, or The Other Bankers Party.

                  ps most of the tax cutting and defense spending increases (including the off-Pentagon-budget wars) were initiated by Republicans. Although Obama has participated to some slight degree e.g. with the Afghanistan ‘surge’. But when it comes to the recent moves on letting the Bush Tax Cuts expire, and pressure to eliminate the Estate Tax:

                  that’s 100% Republicans, acting in the interests of the top 0.1%
                  • Rusty Shackleford …

                    25 July 2011 at 3:11 pm

                    Don’t forget his undeclared wars.
                    • Colonial Viper …

                      25 July 2011 at 3:16 pm

                      sure, but every President has those so I figured that they were a wash.
                  • mik e …

                    25 July 2011 at 3:27 pm

                    The Democrats didn,t make tax cuts they have had very little power since the 70s they held the republicans to ransom over balancing the budget during the Clinton era and turned a huge deficit into a huge surplus.For another spend thrift republican to blow it and run up huge deficits again Obama hasn,t had enough power to undo the drain of the bush tax cuts. so America is sliding down the slippery slope still!
                • mik e …

                  26 July 2011 at 1:32 pm

                  LOW voter turn out has allowed the right wing ascendancy the right wing of the Democrat party is the middle ground of the Republican party. So I think your a little rusty on your Knowledge of US politics Rusty
                  • Colonial Viper …

                    26 July 2011 at 1:39 pm

                    yeah its not a shift in the politics of the people in the US…its a shift in participation and the effect of big money interests.
              • Bored …

                25 July 2011 at 4:56 pm

                You are onto it Prism, a blog with Rusty is as John Lennon would say like “trying to shovel smoke with a pitchfork in the wind”.
        • lprent 17.1.1.2

          25 July 2011 at 3:56 pm

          C- is a passing mark

          No it isn’t. Like Campbell says – it is a restricted pass.

          I almost got dumped from the first semester of the Otago MBA for getting two C-‘s* and had to resit the two papers to get enough marks to carry on. The subsequent semester I got marks that were quite a lot higher. This violated my personal credo that says getting anything above a C means that I wasn’t learning wide enough. Subsequent semesters I dropped down to a more acceptable mark.

          * It was 1985 and I ran into my first PC’s at a computer lab for the MBA students provided by IBM. They had a number of IBM XT’s with dual floppies and a IBM AT with a 10MB hard disk and turbo pascal. I fell in love with programming the beasts where I didn’t have those silly mini-computer restrictions about online time and storage that I’d had in my previous programming. The MBA became a backdrop to learning everything about PC’s.
    • mik e 17.2

      26 July 2011 at 1:08 pm

      US politics is the problem voting takes place on a Tuesday so most employers don, t let their workers of till especially in poor areas till to late in the day and yhen they don,t put enough booths their so there are long cues so when people show up after a hard days work they would prefer to go home and have something to eat than wait 2 hrs to vote anyone with a criminal incarceration record is not aloud to vote either and considering their high incarceration rate. So the US has a very low voter turnout one of the lowest in the western world !So alot of his representatives are in right wing electorates they can,t change republican policy with out the danger of losing their seats . then Obama had enough of a majority to stop filibustering but one republican challenged the vote in his electorate and held onto his seat until nearly the mid term election preventing Obama from removing up bushes tax cuts which would have prevented this mess
18. prism 18

    25 July 2011 at 1:33 pm

    It occurs to me that as a major arms manufacturer, the USA helps to create demand for its own
    weapons, made by private enterprise and bought by their government, and is arms supplier to many factions in the world who would not be such a threat without the amount of arms they can obtain. Also, by taking its wars to countries they have decided need a strategic lesson, the USA helps to inflame the emotions and prejudices that turn into other wars, and fuel nut jobs like the Norwegian ‘warrior’. Result increased GDP for the USA.

    And we are kissing the star spangled coat hem. The Nats never seem to see past their now traditional belief that the USA has the answer to all our needs and will provide. Suckers.
    • Afewknowthetruth 18.1

      25 July 2011 at 2:23 pm

      Smedley Butler worked out that war is a racket 80 years ago:

      ‘Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940), nicknamed “The Fighting Quaker” and “Old Gimlet Eye”, was a Major General in the U.S. Marine Corps, and at the time of his death the most decorated Marine in U.S. history. During his 34-year career as a Marine, he participated in military actions in the Philippines, China, in Central America and the Caribbean during the Banana Wars, and France in World War I. By the end of his career he had received 16 medals, five of which were for heroism. He is one of 19 people to twice receive the Medal of Honor, one of three to be awarded both the Marine Corps Brevet Medal and the Medal of Honor, and the only person to be awarded the Brevet Medal and two Medals of Honor, all for separate actions.

      In addition to his military achievements, he served as the Director of Public Safety in Philadelphia for two years and was an outspoken critic of U.S. military adventurism. In his 1935 book War is a Racket, he described the workings of the military-industrial complex and, after retiring from service, became a popular speaker at meetings organized by veterans, pacifists and church groups in the 1930s.

      Eisenhower warned against the industrial-military complex in 1961.

      Both were too late. 1774 Amschel Mayer Rothschild stated: “Wars should be directed so that the nations on both sides should be further in our debt.”
      • prism 18.1.1

        25 July 2011 at 2:28 pm

        That’s a good quote Afkttruth. Could you direct me to what book or context he made it?
        • Draco T Bastard 18.1.1.1

          25 July 2011 at 4:42 pm

          Which quote?

          As for Smedley Butler you can read about him here.
          • Bored 18.1.1.1.1

            25 July 2011 at 5:03 pm

            The Business Plot is well documented by Michael Parenti. If you Google you should be able to get an MP3. Parenti makes the point that anti democratic pro fascist forces were well established within the US business community between the wars. The man who did most to defeat the plot was Eisenhower who despite his core Republican allegiences was very pro the American democratic process.
            • prism 18.1.1.1.1.1

              25 July 2011 at 9:38 pm

              @Bored
              Found an Eisenhower quote in my little book.
              “When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go and fight it. After my experience, I have come to hate war. War settles nothing.”
          • Mac1 18.1.1.1.2

            26 July 2011 at 11:47 pm

            Smedley Butler sure had a Damascus experience. After a career in the US army as an Imperial soldier indeed, he wrote the following, and quoting from Draco’s link.

            “I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”

            Thanks for that link, Draco T and Afkttruth, which I’ve seen before, and for the much earlier link to the Authoritarians as well. Powerful stuff.
        • prism 18.1.1.2

          25 July 2011 at 6:31 pm

          I was referring to the quote of Amschel Mayer Rothschild.. Who was he – an early business leader? In what country? Was he being deeply ironic?
          • travellerev 18.1.1.2.1

            25 July 2011 at 8:28 pm

            Eh Prism,
            There is nothing stupid about asking questions so here goes: Amschel Mayer Rothschild was the arch patriarch of the Rothschild family,  and Amschel was was deadly serious about all his quotes. Here is another one: “Give me the right to print money and I care not who sits on the throne” meaning that the right to print money made him more powerful than the king or the government.

            Today his descendant Evelyn the Rothschild is the banker to the queen of England and the Rothschild family still print money.
            Here is a link to the Money Masters chronicling their accent to power.
          • Draco T Bastard 18.1.1.2.2

            25 July 2011 at 8:40 pm

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amschel_Mayer_Rothschild
            Actually, reading that, it appears that people are attributing the quote wrongly as he was born in 1773. For that date it would have most likely be Mayer Amschel Rothschild and I can only find one quote attributed to him.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family
            • travellerev 18.1.1.2.2.1

              25 July 2011 at 8:56 pm

              One of the reasons to watch the doco Me thinks!
               
              • Rusty Shackleford …

                25 July 2011 at 9:13 pm

                Money Masters is great. Especially on the origin of money.
            • prism 18.1.1.2.2.2

              25 July 2011 at 10:08 pm

              On skimming through wikipedia I could only find one reference that might lead the way to the quote about war that a Rothschild is said to have made, referred to above.

              These theories take differing forms, such as claiming that the family belongs to the Illuminati,[53] controls the world’s wealth and financial institutions,[54][55] or encouraged wars between governments.
              • prism …

                25 July 2011 at 10:31 pm

                Something else that caught my eye on the Rothschild’s Wikipedia page was that their background was Ashkenazi Jews. The Ashkenazi name was connected with wealthy Hungarians I had thought. Looking up Wikipedia for the detail of their early life 11th to 19th century I think, it is one of spreading importance of these people..

                It is amazing what a close family with strong standards and rules of behaviour can achieve. The Du Ponts in USA were also like this. The family held all or the major portion of the shares and may still do. The control and wisdom about how to run a business that continues successfully for more than decades and then passes to descendants who continue successfully, is not common. Usually the children manage to muck up what their father or parents built.
        • joe90 18.1.1.3

          25 July 2011 at 8:59 pm

          Could you direct me to what book or context he made it?

          Major General Smedley Butler:
          
          War Is A Racket
19. alex 19

    25 July 2011 at 8:02 pm

    I’ve never seen a better chance to press for peace go to waste. As all great politicians know, you never waste a good crisis. Where are the future leaders of the pacifist movement? There is a truly instant fix for the budget crisis – end the wars, bring troops home, earn some international goodwill in the process.
    • Rusty Shackleford 19.1

      25 July 2011 at 8:53 pm

      Couldn’t agree more. They were all rah rah when Bush was head honcho, but went to ground after Obama was elected.
      • Colonial Viper 19.1.1

        25 July 2011 at 9:05 pm

        When Obama was elected?

        You mean when the US Govt changed from being run by The Bankers Party, to being run by The Other Bankers Party?

        Clue as to how it was all going to go: when Obama kept Gates as defence secretary.
    • mik e 19.2

      26 July 2011 at 1:22 pm

      Alex the US would crash even worse if they pulled out of these wars .The money is being largely spent in the US on armament and supplies . if the war stopped the money to these businesses would stop so there would be probably be another 1million people unemployed ,plus it costs about $1million per solder per year to keep them in the war. so when they come home it cost only maybe about 20 30 thousand dollars to keep them on a benefit. And a fair bit of that money would be spent on imported goods.
      • Rusty Shackleford 19.2.1

        26 July 2011 at 1:57 pm

        By your logic they had better ramp up the wars, then. The neo cons were champing at the bit to invade Iran. There you go, problem solved.

        The situation you describe is pure Keynesian fallacy. It didn’t happen after WWII. The US govt even cut spending.
        • Colonial Viper 19.2.1.1

          26 July 2011 at 2:00 pm

          You’re a bad liar re: post WWII

          The Govt gave returning soldiers massive socialised benefits and taxed the rich hard. Of course spending decreased you moron

          After all the US Govt didn;t have to build as many tanks and bombers

          And yeah, the recent wars have been very helpful to US corporations.
          • Rusty Shackleford 19.2.1.1.1

            26 July 2011 at 2:23 pm

            By Mik e’s logic that cut in spending and employment (soldiers, support staff etc) should have lead to a catastrophic decline in GDP and employment (this is the standard Keynesian analysis), it didn’t.
20. Afewknowthetruth 20

    26 July 2011 at 12:21 am

    That quote came from :

    The Elite, the ‘Great Game’ and World War III

    by Prof. Mujahid Kamran

    Global Research, June 7, 2011

    New Dawn Special Issue 16

    The control of the US, and of global politics, by the wealthiest families of the planet is exercised in a powerful, profound and clandestine manner. This control began in Europe and has a continuity that can be traced back to the time when the bankers discovered it was more profitable to give loans to governments than to needy individuals.

    These banking families and their subservient beneficiaries have come to own most major businesses over the two centuries during which they have secretly and increasingly organised themselves as controllers of governments worldwide and as arbiters of war and peace.

    Unless we understand this we will be unable to understand the real reasons for the two world wars and the impending Third World War, a war that is almost certain to begin as a consequence of the US attempt to seize and control Central Asia. The only way out is for the US to back off – something the people of the US and the world want, but the elite does not.

    The US is a country controlled through the privately owned Federal Reserve, which in turn is controlled by the handful of banking families that established it by deception in the first place.

    In his interesting book The Secret Team, Col. Fletcher Prouty, briefing officer of the US President from 1955-63, narrates a remarkable incident in which Winston Churchill made a most revealing utterance during World War II: “On this particular night there had been a heavy raid on Rotterdam. He sat there, meditating, and then, as if to himself, he said, ‘Unrestricted submarine warfare, unrestricted air bombing
    – this is total war.’ He continued sitting there, gazing at a large map, and then said, ‘Time and the Ocean
    – and some guiding star and High Cabal have made us what we are’.”

    Prouty further states: “This was a most memorable scene and a revelation of reality that is infrequent, at best. If for the great Winston Churchill, there is a ‘High Cabal’ that has made us what we are, our definition is complete. Who could know better than Churchill himself during the darkest days of World War II, that there exists, beyond doubt, an international High Cabal? This was true then. It is true today, especially in these times of the One World Order. This all-powerful group has remained superior because it had learned the value of anonymity.” This “High Cabal” is the “One World Cabal” of today, also called the elite by various writers.
    The High Cabal and What They Control

    The elite owns the media, banks, defence and oil industry. In his book Who’s Who of the Elite Robert Gaylon Ross Sr. states: “It is my opinion that they own the US military, NATO, the Secret Service, the CIA, the Supreme Court, and many of the lower courts. They appear to control, either directly or indirectly, most of the state, county, and local law enforcement agencies.”

    The elite is intent on conquering the world through the use of the abilities of the people of the United States. It was as far back as 1774 that Amschel Mayer Rothschild stated at a gathering of the twelve richest men of Prussia in Frankfurt: “Wars should be directed so that the nations on both sides should be further in our debt.” He further enunciated at the same meeting: “Panics and financial depressions would ultimately result in World Government, a new order of one world government.”

    The elite owns numerous “think tanks” that work for expanding, consolidating and perpetuating its hold on the globe. The Royal Institute of International Affairs (RIIA), the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commission, and many other similar organisations are all funded by the elite and work for it. These think tanks publish journals, such as Foreign Affairs, in which these imperialist and anti-mankind ideas are edified as publications, and then, if need be, expanded in the form of books that are given wide publicity.

    Zbigniew Brzezinski and Henry Kissinger et al, as well as the neo-con “thinkers,” owe their positions and good living standards to the largesse of the elite. This is an important point that must be kept in full view at all times. These thinkers and writers are on the payroll of the elite and work for them. In case someone has any doubts about such a statement, it might help to read the following quotes from Professor Peter Dale Scott’s comprehensively researched book The Road to 9/11 – Wealth, Empire, and the Future of America (University of California Press, 2007):
    …Bundy’s Harvard protégé Kissinger was named to be national security adviser after having chaired an important “study group” at the Council on Foreign Relations. As a former assistant to Nelson Rockefeller, Kissinger had been paid by Rockefeller to write a book on limited warfare for the CFR. He had also campaigned hard in Rockefeller’s losing campaign for the Presidential nomination in 1968. Thus Rockefeller and the CFR might have been excluded from control of the Republican Party, but not from the Republican White House. (Page 22)

    The following quote from page 38 of the book is also very revealing:
    The Kissinger-Rockefeller relationship was complex and certainly intense. As investigative reporter Jim Hougan wrote: “Kissinger, married to a former Rockefeller aide, owner of a Georgetown mansion whose purchase was enabled only by Rockefeller gifts and loans, was always a protégé of his patron Nelson Rockefeller, even when he wasn’t directly employed by him.”
    Professor Scott adds:
    Nixon’s and Kissinger’s arrival in the White House in 1969 coincided with David Rockefeller’s
    becoming CEO of Chase Manhattan Bank. The Nixon-Kissinger foreign policy of detente was highly congruous with Rockefeller’s push to internationalise Chase Manhattan banking operations. Thus in 1973 Chase Manhattan became the first American bank to open an office in Moscow. A few months later, thanks to an invitation arranged by Kissinger, Rockefeller became the first US banker to talk with Chinese Communist leaders in Beijing.

    How They Manipulate Public Opinion

    In addition to these strategic “think tanks” the elite has set up a chain of research institutes devoted to manipulating public opinion in a manner the elite desires. As pointed out by John Coleman in his eye opening book The Tavistock Institute on Human Relations – Shaping the Moral, Spiritual, Cultural, Political and Economic Decline of the United States of America, it was in 1913 that an institute was established at Wellington House, London for manipulation of public opinion. According to Coleman: The modern science of mass manipulation was born at Wellington House London, the lusty infant being midwifed by Lord Northcliffe and Lord Rothmere. The British monarchy, Lord Rothschild, and the Rockefellers were responsible for funding the venture… the purpose of those at Wellington House was to effect a change in the opinions of British people who were adamantly opposed to war with Germany, a formidable task that was accomplished by “opinion making” through polling. The staff consisted of Arnold Toynbee, a future director of studies at the Royal Institute of International Affairs (RIIA), Lord Northcliffe, and the Americans, Walter Lippmann and Edward Bernays. Lord Northcliffe was related to the Rothschilds through marriage. Bernays was a nephew of Sigmund Freud, a fact never mentioned, and developed the technique of “engineering consent.” When Sigmund Freud moved to Britain he also, secretly, became associated with this institute through the Tavistock Institute. According to Coleman, Bernays “pioneered the use of psychology and other social sciences to shape and form public opinion so that the public thought such manufactured opinions were their own.”

    The Tavistock Institute has a 6 billion dollar fund and 400 subsidiary organisations are under its control along with 3,000 think tanks, mostly in the USA. The Stanford Research Institute, the Hoover Institute, the Aspen Institute of Colorado, and many others, devoted to manipulation of US as well as global public opinion, are Tavistock offshoots. This helps explain why the US public, by and large, is so mesmerised as to be unable to see things clearly and to react. Bilderberg researcher Daniel Estulin quotes from Mary Scobey’s book To Nurture Humanness a statement
    attributed to Professor Raymond Houghton, that the CFR has been clear for a very long time that
    “absolute behaviour control is imminent… without mankind’s self realisation that a crisis is at hand.”

    Also keep in mind that currently 80% of US electronic and print media is owned by only six large
    corporations. This development has taken place in the past two decades. These corporations are elite owned. It is almost impossible for anyone who is acquainted with what is going on at the global level to watch, even for a few minutes, the distortions, lies and fabrications, incessantly pouring out of this media, a propaganda and brainwashing organ of the elite.

    Once your picture is clear it is also easy to notice the criminal silence of the media on crimes being perpetrated against humanity at the behest of the elite. How many people know that the cancer rates in Fallujah, Iraq are higher than those in Hiroshima and Nagasaki because of the use of depleted uranium, and maybe other secret nuclear devices, by US forces? Fallujah was punished for its heroic resistance against the American forces.
    The Importance of Eurasia

    Why is the US in Central Asia? In order to understand this, one has to look at the writings of the stooges of the elite – Brzezinski, Kissinger, Samuel P Huntington, and their likes. It is important to note that members of these elite paid think tanks publish books as part of a strategy to give respectability to subsequent illegal, immoral and predatory actions that are to be taken at the behest of the elite. The views are not necessarily their own – they are the views of the think tanks. These stooges formulate and pronounce policies and plans at the behest of their masters, through bodies like the Council on Foreign Relations, Bilderberg Group, etc.

    In his infinitely arrogant book The Grand Chessboard, published in 1997, Brzezinski spelled out the philosophy behind the current US military eruption. He starts by quoting the well-known views of the British geographer Sir Halford J Mackinder (1861–1947), another worker for the elite. Mackinder was a member of the ‘Coefficients Dining Club’ established by members of the Fabian Society in 1902. The continuity of the policies of the elite is indicated by the fact Brzezinski starts from Mackinder’s thesis first propounded in 1904: “Who rules East Europe commands the Heartland: Who rules the Heartland commands the World-Island: who commands the World-Island commands the world.”………………….

    Prof. Mujahid Kamran is Vice Chancellor, University of the Punjab, Lahore, Pakistan, and his book The Grand Deception – Corporate America and Perpetual War has just been published (April 2011) by Sang e Meel Publications, Lahore, Pakistan.
21. prism 21

    26 July 2011 at 8:22 pm

    @Afewknowthetruth – Thanks for extensive background. Will take a deep breath and read it. I hope its not just rant and emotive opinion. I will get going on it. I may be away for some time.

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