How not to campaign in an MMP environment

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1. Te Aro Resident 1

   13 October 2020 at 8:51 am

   Looks like Simeon is already preparing for the 2023 Election by featuring National's next leader on his billboard.
   • Wensleydale 1.1

     13 October 2020 at 1:19 pm

     I can't look at Simeon Brown without thinking, "Does his mother know where he is?"

     Also, Alfred Ngaro is a muppet. This is documented fact.
2. Ovid 2

   13 October 2020 at 9:19 am

   If I was National’s campaign manager right now I would be throwing a huge tantrum

   We’ve already seen Gerry lose his temper at the media. He’s not handling this well.

   Is it bad that I’m taking such pleasure in seeing National self-destruct like this? I guess the unintended consequence is Act polling higher and I loathe them even more, but I can’t help myself.
   • Wensleydale 2.1

     13 October 2020 at 1:24 pm

     I'd like to see Gerry crash and burn, and have to resort to looking for jobs teaching woodwork, only for schools around the country to say, "Yeah… nah. We don't ordinarily accept dodgy conspiracy peddlers with anger management issues." We probably shouldn't take pleasure in the misfortunes or others (be kind, and all that), but if anyone has it coming, it's the National Party. I'll be honest. I want to see them implode on Saturday. If that makes me a terrible person, so be it.
     • Sacha 2.1.1

       13 October 2020 at 1:44 pm

       He will be gravy-training those company directorships from grateful party supporters to retirement.
       • Wensleydale 2.1.1.1

         13 October 2020 at 10:05 pm

         I know… but a man can dream.
         • Sacha 2.1.1.1.1

           14 October 2020 at 7:41 am

           Jail for some banal fraud appeals. He can show off his skills in the prison workshop.
     • NZJester 2.1.2

       14 October 2020 at 7:33 am

       If someone was stupid enough to put him in charge of a wood working class I would be amazed if 100% of the students made it to the end of the day with all their fingers still attached.

       But instead he is more likely to be given a job sitting behind a desk in a business bullying the hard working staff under him that do all the actual work and taking all the credit for said hard work while doing nothing but seat warming. (So no change from what he is doing at the moment).
3. Ad 3

   13 October 2020 at 9:20 am

   This is exactly why 2020 is massaging away some of my 2014 scar tissue.

   Irrespective of the outcome, the campaign and the unity just feels godd.
   • mickysavage 3.1

     13 October 2020 at 10:02 am

     Yeah I am still traumatised by that election night. This one should be cathartic …
4. Chris 4

   13 October 2020 at 9:26 am

   Your advice to the nats is of course common sense, but I wouldn't give them an ounce of advice in the hope they're too stupid to cotton on to even the bleedin' obvious. Fuck 'em.
   • mickysavage 4.1

     13 October 2020 at 9:58 am

     There will no doubt be a post election analysis to work out if these were decisions made in panic or calculated.
5. Uncle Scrim 5

   13 October 2020 at 10:05 am

   If I recall, in 2014 National won the party vote in every general electorate except four in west and south Auckland but Labour candidates won 27 electorates (21 general + 6 Maori), so only got 5 list MPs in. I don't expect Labour will achieve anything like that but that one poll in Northland showed it's likely Labour will win the party vote in many seats where Nat MPs are returned.
6. Anne 6

   13 October 2020 at 10:07 am

   This is like 2014 but in reverse and far worse. At least in 2014 there was no surge of leaks against the leader during the campaign.

   And therein lies the key difference between left of centre politicians and and right of centre politicians. The left have principles of loyalty regardless of the circumstances while the right disregard such sentiments as being inconsequential.

   It never ceases to amaze me how these right wing disciples of Christianity will lie and cheat, spread misinformation, make slanderous claims for personal gain and believe they are entitled to do it cos well… God is on their side?
   • Stuart Munro 6.1

     13 October 2020 at 10:41 am

     They've been in decline for a generation.

     The moral low point was probably their doing to death of Alan Hubbard, they may not have actually killed him, but they wrecked his company and looted it without a shred of judicial oversight. All the current Gnat insiders went along with it.

     What passed for intellect decamped with Finlayson.

     They're not worth saving, but it would be better for NZ if they could scare up a rational opposition.
   • greywarshark 6.2

     13 October 2020 at 11:01 am

     Christianity has been brought (bought) low when it is used as a brand or like a trademark for virtue-signalling.
   • roblogic 6.3

     13 October 2020 at 4:28 pm

     The right wing of Christianity exists to legitimise warmongers, money-changers, and false prophets/ conspiracy-pedlars preying on the faithful
7. Patricia Bremner 7

   13 October 2020 at 10:19 am

   Their campaign is in tatters Micky, my National relatives say many in Rotorua are voting Labour… to keep the Greens out, and "Jacinda has done well"

   No mention of Judith at all, it appeared she is not even worth a comment.

   This feels so different to all other elections. I have a bottle of bubbly ready and the nibbles… I will be watching certain Green candidates results and certain bellwether seats.

   People are engaged and this vote should give a real tangible mandate.
   • Gristle 7.1

     13 October 2020 at 1:26 pm

     My approach to electioneering has been to argue with normal National voters that it's a Labour government is almost guaranteed. So they should vote Labour to moderate the Green impact.

     And then, argue with normal Labour voters that they should vote Green to ensure Labour does not abandon social and environmental goals.

     My success so far is to have moved 2 National voters from Act to Labour, and 3 Labour to Green.

     (And don't try any of your subtle arguments on me as I have already voted.)
     • Sacha 7.1.1

       13 October 2020 at 1:46 pm

       You are a strategic role model.
   • Chris 7.2

     13 October 2020 at 8:48 pm

     Perhaps younger voters and those overseas might knock the result higher than what the polls are saying right now.
8. Brendan 8

   13 October 2020 at 11:04 am

   Nat voter here

   Simply put the Nats are not doing well. And when things don't go well you see their character exposed. Some will blossom, others will explode.

   Any way it looks as if team red is in a strong position for a good result this election.
   • Sacha 8.1

     13 October 2020 at 12:05 pm

     Best wishes with the rebuilding.
9. RedBaronCV 9

   13 October 2020 at 11:58 am

   Now if the more ethical centrist Nats used the meltdown to try and ankle tap some of the less savoury say Ngaro and remove them, then that would be impressive.
10. PaddyOT 10

    13 October 2020 at 1:59 pm

    How not to campaign in a country with high obesity stats and make a judgement about one's own lack of personal responsibilty.

    Casting shame as an election tactic.

    Thomas Coughlan comments, who is with Judith Collins in Waikanae today

    " Back to that interesting exchange on obesity and personal responsibility between Judith Collins and a reporter.

    Reporter: What do you mean when you say it's time to stop blaming the system for obesity, and people need to start taking personal responsibility?

    Collins: Exactly what I said.

    Reporter: Do you think it's epidemic?

    Collins: No, it's not catching.

    Reporter: What do you make of calls in the wake of your comments to make discrimination based on weight illegal.

    Collins: Look, many of us can do better on this. I'll tell you what, take some personal responsibility.

    Reporter: And some have called your comments heartless. Your response?

    Collins: Do you know what is heartless? Is actually thinking that someone else can cure these issues. We can all take personal responsibility, and we all have to own up to our little weaknesses on these matters.

    Reporter: Do you think obesity is a weakness?

    Collins: Yes certainly. It's the one that many of us do. We actually entirely have to take personal responsibility. Do not blame systems for personal choices.

    Another reporter said that would seem to be somewhat divergent from the medical science. A lot of research had been done on the issue in past decade, which would challenge that view.

    Trump Collins: I bet I've read more than you have on it."
    • Te Aro Resident 10.1

      13 October 2020 at 4:00 pm

      I assume Gerry wasn't within earshot when she made those comments about the obesity epidemic.
    • Kiwijoker 10.2

      14 October 2020 at 11:28 am

      Ms Collins opining on obesity?
11. John 11

    13 October 2020 at 3:14 pm

    Even in Whangarei its "Vote Reti" in his media adverts. Not asking for party vote at all. They must be shit scared this time around. Caucus meetings in a phone box for the Nats, hopefully, post Oct 17th. Loving it.
12. ScottGN 12

    13 October 2020 at 8:02 pm

    Had a bit of a run in with a woman I know tangentially. I’d said the PM was my local MP and I was looking forward to voting for her. “What’s she ever done?” the woman spat at me. I replied that, right now, she seemed to be pretty much single-handedly destroying the National Party and I was happy with that.
13. Hunter Thompson II 13

    14 October 2020 at 7:43 am

    At least the Natz' disastrous 2020 campaign will be useful to students of politics and their university lecturers. Someone will probably write a book about it.

    It is also entertaining, in a weird and twisted way.

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