If I were New Zealand First’s campaign strategist

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1. higherstandard 1

   7 May 2008 at 1:05 pm

   He needs to remember to play the charming rouge ?

   I have visions of Winston as Louis XV – perfect for NZ ‘s poodle politician.

   After spending some time in Tauranga recently the people down there appear to have finally had enough of him.
2. Dim (was dime) 2

   7 May 2008 at 1:27 pm

   heh lapdog is history!

   its gonna be a sweet day when he gets booted.

   hope he doesnt think he can rely on grey power.. they have a few issues with the EFB..

   now, if we could just get those pesky greens below the 5 % we would be laughing!

   also, can someone start a campaign telling these ex-pats that like to vote greens, just what damage these lunatics want to inflict on our country?
3. Bearhunter 3

   7 May 2008 at 1:37 pm

   “There is huge dislike of the political media among the public, who see them as preening, shallow, and egotistical.”

   I take it you have polled every one of the public to come to this view? Or at least spoken to a wide range of people from outside the Labour organisation? Or is it just a sweeping statement of your own feelings on the matter projected onto 4million-odd people?
4. Steve Pierson 4

   7 May 2008 at 1:42 pm

   Bearhunter. Both
5. higherstandard 5

   7 May 2008 at 1:43 pm

   Bear

   “There is huge dislike of the political media among the public, who see them as preening, shallow, and egotistical.’

   Substitute Winston for Political Media and him for them and it’s a perfect description.
6. Bearhunter 6

   7 May 2008 at 1:49 pm

   @SP: Err, which both? You polled everyone? A few? Made it up? Anyway, glasdto see it is clearly not just a sweeping staetment made to back up your own prejudices. You know how baseless sweeping generalisations can be mistaken for truth among the feckless proles.
7. outofbed 7

   7 May 2008 at 1:52 pm

   Dime,, buddy spare us
   I am a Green and, although the following is just a sweeping statement of my own feelings on the matter projected onto number of Green supporters
   We don’t want to inflict any damage on “your” country.

   Quite the opposite really
8. BeShakey 8

   7 May 2008 at 1:55 pm

   HS – I look forward to your wholehearted endorsement of WP when he becomes Nationals Foreign Minister (or will he aim higher next time), to be rescinded when he attempts to bring down the National government (again).

   You also seem to fail to realise that for minor parties, being hated by large sections of the population goes with the territory. Note how the more the hard right complains about the greens the higher their vote goes?
9. higherstandard 9

   7 May 2008 at 2:10 pm

   BS

   I’d support Winston as National’s Foreign Minister only if he agreed to spend the entire term out of the country.

   I hope the twats time has finally come Clark and Key have both pandered to him appallingly in the past few months – how about a bipartisan agreement from Labour and National that neither will give him a Ministerial position now that would push him over the edge.
10. Stephen 10

    7 May 2008 at 2:11 pm

    *what* hard right?

    captcha: Colon James (reporter extraordinaire)
11. mike 11

    7 May 2008 at 2:11 pm

    “now, if we could just get those pesky greens below the 5 % we would be laughing!

    Agree Dime,
    I think we need to get as much of Sue B on tele as possible before the election.
    She is the Nats most influential MP out side there own party.
12. higherstandard 12

    7 May 2008 at 2:12 pm

    On another matter has he declared his parties donations yet ?
13. higherstandard 13

    7 May 2008 at 2:14 pm

    Mike surely you’ve forgotten the Associate Minister of Culture and Heritage
14. randal 14

    7 May 2008 at 2:46 pm

    new zealanders are constantly crying out for flair and innovation and thinking outside of the box and ra ra ra ra you name it but when they get a live one out of the box the first thing they do is try and squash it…stick that in ya pipe and smoke it ya punks… go winnie hehehehehe
15. Bearhunter 15

    7 May 2008 at 2:58 pm

    So you like Winnie because he has a go at Paul Henry? How about NZF’s xenophobic rantings about immigrants? Since xenophobia is bad in John Key (as per the other thread) would he be less xenophobic if he simply slagged off a few journos?
16. j 16

    7 May 2008 at 3:29 pm

    “So you like Winnie because he has a go at Paul Henry? How about NZF’s xenophobic rantings about immigrants?”

    I think you forgetting the important distinction that NZF supports labour and Henry doesn’t. That washes away all sins.

    [like i say in the article, I enjoyed that interview with Paul Henry but I could never support NZF because of their conservatism, including their racism. SP]
17. Tane 17

    7 May 2008 at 3:34 pm

    j – take a look at Steve’s comments here:

    Peters ought to stop playing the race card
18. Bearhunter 18

    7 May 2008 at 3:39 pm

    Err, you said: “He needs to remember to play the charming rogue a little more often, rather than the grump, but otherwise his political persona is fine.”

    Fine, Steve? Fair enough, whatever floats your boat…

    [It’s not what I like. It’s what works politically. look at the rest of the series. SP]
19. j 19

    7 May 2008 at 4:33 pm

    To digress, I was talking to a mate whose father has been connected to numerous NZF campaigns in a managerial capacity. He said that apparently Winston has lost his old fire and seems to be perfectly happy with the baubles of office. It’s hard to see NZF outlasting most prominent personality and it most probably looks like the last election they’ll run in.

    And as for running as conservatives with values, have they paid back the election money yet or are they still insisting on donating it to charity causes with no proof or verification?
20. Robinsod 20

    7 May 2008 at 4:38 pm

    He said that apparently Winston has lost his old fire and seems to be perfectly happy with the baubles of office.

    It’s not the baubles that have chilled him out, bro. Winston found love. I kid you not.
21. j 21

    7 May 2008 at 4:47 pm

    The rot set in years ago when he stopped imbibing whiskey and started on the chardony.
22. gobsmacked 22

    7 May 2008 at 4:53 pm

    Bearhunter, if you’d read the rest of the “strategist” series you’d presumably conclude that the writer also endorses National, and ACT, and the Maori Party, and every other party.

    It’s the basic difference between head and heart, analysis and support. Not that difficult a concept, really.

    Anyway, if I were NZF’s strategist, I’d stage a split (scripted, of course). Winston can’t get to 5% by making eyes at Condy Rice. Either he needs to quit the Foreign Affairs job (even if only a month or two before the election), or he needs to use it to find a Defining Issue, and it’s hard to see how he can do that.
23. Monty 23

    7 May 2008 at 6:16 pm

    Winston is a first class prick – right up there with Cullen. I will be looking forward to Winston getting his marching orders courtesy of the public come the October election.

    I lok forward to the day when I will no longer fund his baubles. The country have finally had enough and woken up to his egotistical and self serving arrogant ways.

    godd riddence to this parasite.
24. r0b 24

    7 May 2008 at 6:53 pm

    G’arn Monty, don’t hold back, tell us what you really think!

    Cullen is a scholar and a gentleman, and probably the nation’s most successful minister of finance. In future decades the nation will thank him for his lasting legacies, the Cullen Fund and KiwiSaver.

    Winston – is Winston. Love him or loath him (and I’m more inclined to the latter), he has chutzpah, and he has made his mark.
25. higherstandard 25

    7 May 2008 at 7:58 pm

    rob

    A scholar I’ll accept however some of his behaviour has been somewhat less than gentlemanly over the last couple of years.

    As for the Nation’s most successful Minister of Finance history will be the judge there’s some serious competition over the last century.
26. r0b 26

    7 May 2008 at 8:26 pm

    A scholar I’ll accept however some of his behaviour has been somewhat less than gentlemanly over the last couple of years.

    There have been occasional lapses, very few I think given the pressures of the job and the confrontational nature of politics.

    As for the Nation’s most successful Minister of Finance history will be the judge there’s some serious competition over the last century.

    Once again my lack of historical knowledge lets me down. I’d be interested in your description of other notable ministers in this role and their impact.
27. AncientGeek 27

    7 May 2008 at 9:25 pm

    Ummm I was just thinking through the list – ie the ones I remember

    English
    Richardson
    Douglas
    Muldoon
    Nash (ok – its starting to get before even my time)
    Vogel

    Ummm the ones I remember all seem to have certain characteristics in mind. Mostly an inability to suffer fools gracefully. I wonder if it is cause or effect?

    Imagine having every minister or lobby group bleating for more money all of the time..
28. Billy 28

    7 May 2008 at 9:28 pm

    Wasn’t Rowling Kirk’s minister of finance?
29. r0b 29

    7 May 2008 at 9:30 pm

    Douglas was certainly significant, in that he made a huge impact. But I don’t think you can rate him as the most successful, given how much better Australia did over the same period with much more pragmatic policies.
30. Billy 30

    7 May 2008 at 9:31 pm

    r0b, you’re wrong.
31. AncientGeek 31

    7 May 2008 at 9:35 pm

    B: Ah you’re right- I remember him as well.
    r: it was more a list of who I remember.

    For instance there was someone after Douglas in the 2nd term afte rthe cup of tea – can’t remember whom????

    I think I really only remember the b…’s
32. r0b 32

    7 May 2008 at 9:36 pm

    Wasn’t Rowling Kirk’s minister of finance?

    I believe so yes, not notable as far as I recall.

    r0b, you’re wrong

    So you keep saying – but why? Both Muldoon and Douglas hugely shaped New Zealand, but I think both were fundamentally flawed. Cullen has been cautious and pragmatic, and built real lasting assets.
33. r0b 33

    7 May 2008 at 9:39 pm

    For instance there was someone after Douglas in the 2nd term afte rthe cup of tea – can’t remember whom????

    David Caygill
34. Billy 34

    7 May 2008 at 9:45 pm

    You’re thinking of Caygill, AG.

    Douglas completely modernised the economy. Remember, before Labour was elected in 1984, you couldn’t increase your prices unless the government said so, or drive your car on a Tuesday.
35. r0b 35

    7 May 2008 at 9:52 pm

    Douglas completely modernised the economy

    Yes he did, and yes I certainly remember the Muldoon economy. But just as Muldoon was hugely influential and yet not successful, so too I think was Douglas. We went far too far, and too fast. As he modernised the economy he also damaged it, and he hocked off infrastructure, and that’s even before we start on the social costs. It must be said again that Australia did much better over the same period with much more pragmatic policies.

    Pleasure chatting with you good people, but I must away…
36. Bearhunter 36

    8 May 2008 at 8:23 am

    “Bearhunter, if you’d read the rest of the “strategist’ series you’d presumably conclude that the writer also endorses National, and ACT, and the Maori Party, and every other party.

    It’s the basic difference between head and heart, analysis and support. Not that difficult a concept, really.”

    Well thank you for that and I presume the lesson endeth here? If you honestly think anyone is going to trawl through this site’s entire back catalogue in order to avoid getting supercilious snipes in reply to genuine questions then you need therapy. Mind you, when it comes to arrogance there is no one quite like the Labour party is there? And I say that as a former Labour supporter/voter in three different countries. It took the NZ Labour party to make me finally forsake four generations of socialism and if you want to know why, just have a look at how you react to criticism. If it wasn’t so laughable I’d be crying at the death of Labour about now.
37. Phil 37

    8 May 2008 at 8:51 am

    Didn’t Bill Birch hold the finance portfolio as well in the mid 90’s?

    I don’t think Richardson handed the reigns straight over to English…
38. Felix 38

    8 May 2008 at 9:22 am

    Mousehunter:
    If can’t be bothered keeping up with the discussion, don’t be surprised that you’re not taken seriously.
39. Bearhunter 39

    8 May 2008 at 10:17 am

    Ah, I was wondering how long it took before the ad hominem attacks came out. So, I am to be dismissed for not reading the entire site content? Fair enough, clearly the arrogance the government is displaying has filtered down to the footsoldiers. Sorry to have taken up so much of your precious time.
40. Phil 40

    8 May 2008 at 10:33 am

    Sod, “Winston found love. I kid you not.”

    Walked into a hall of mirrors did he?

    (Oldie but a goodie – I’m suprised no-one picked up on it earlier)
41. Matthew Pilott 41

    8 May 2008 at 10:40 am

    Chill, Bearhunter – you misread the article and someone pointed that out. Good on you though, if you take the response of one or two individuals to be a reflection of the entire labour Party, and the global socialist movement in general. You’re actually signalling that you have no real interest in participating here, which I’m sure isn’t the case. So take it easy.
42. higherstandard 42

    8 May 2008 at 5:49 pm

    Ministers of Finance for those interested

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_of_Finance_(New_Zealand)

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