Imperator Fish: Critics slam Labour list selections – again

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1. greywarbler 1

   23 June 2014 at 2:32 pm

   Great incisive political comment, appropriate to 2011. But now it’s all different what!
   National Party strategist and blogger Ming the Merciless wrote of the list: “Our enemies have shown how truly feeble they are. Now we shall crush them with our space fleet! Launch rockets! Destroy them all! Bwah ha ha ha ha! Bwa ha ha ha ha!”
2. Tracey 2

   23 June 2014 at 2:48 pm

   Bravo
3. Michael 3

   23 June 2014 at 3:15 pm

   I don’t think the Labour Party needs “celebrities” on its list. What it does need are people who understand the principles of social justice, are capable of translating those principles into coherent policies, and making sure the bureaucrats execute those policies. I see no evidence that anyone of this list has those qualities. Evidently, many New Zealanders feel the same way and will not vote at all on 20 September.
   • Colonial Viper 3.1

     23 June 2014 at 6:23 pm

     I don’t think the Labour Party needs “celebrities” on its list.

     Spot on comment.

     What it does need are people who understand the principles of social justice, are capable of translating those principles into coherent policies, and making sure the bureaucrats execute those policies.

     That’s OK. But where is the sense of mission? The sense of purpose? Something more than just tinkering, because to face up to energy depletion, climate change and financial crises, tinkering won’t do at all.
   • greywarbler 3.2

     23 June 2014 at 6:28 pm

     Michael
     Are you trying to be funny? It is a thin line between celebrities and familiar faces in politics. And if people don’t know you, don’t recognise you, they might not bother to find out what your qualities are. So how do you think politicians should make themselves appear electable, stand in the streets and hand out leaflets? That get thrown on the ground a few steps on. And the ordinary person I know doesn’t talk or think like you, none of the wide range of people I meet express themselves like a policy implementation document. You wouldn’t get many votes.
     • Michael 3.2.1

       23 June 2014 at 8:32 pm

       Fair enough. But neither, I predict, will Labour get too many votes on 20 September, following the path you seem to advocate for it.
       • greywarbler 3.2.1.1

         23 June 2014 at 9:52 pm

         But I am not advocating for anything set, it is the outcome Iam advocating for. That is finding a way to speak to left-thinking people so that they can hear what Labour plan for them. Labour lefties have to come out of the closet they have been hanging in and hang out with the people. And start talking working hours, fortnightly and monthly rosters, set number of hours a week for minimum so people can return
         to having a life, minimum 2 hours work. Seems that you may want that too.
         • Michael 3.2.1.1.1

           24 June 2014 at 1:50 pm

           Yes, I do want those things for our people. But I also want a government that works for them and not against them, as it has done for many years (see: ACC, WINZ, Department of Labour, IRD, etc). Legislating minimum employment conditions, along the lines you suggest, is fine but those laws must be enforceable – always difficult in the private sector. In the public sector, however, I think effective government can, and must, make the bureaucrats (ACC, WINZ etc) stop crapping on people and start helping them instead. The last Labour government did bugger all of that; the one before it, encouraged bureaucrats to crap on people. We need a real change of approach and we need credible evidence that Labour is able to make the machinery work for the people, instead of oppressing them.
4. Anne 4

   23 June 2014 at 3:22 pm

   Err…ummm…aaah Michael – what?
   • freedom 4.1

     23 June 2014 at 3:28 pm

     Yes Anne, I also didn’t see the sarcasm, it is a bit veiled. If he isn’t being satirical then one can only surmise he had not read the list above and thus had not seen that it is not the actual list.
     • Michael 4.1.1

       23 June 2014 at 8:37 pm

       I read both the lists and was commenting on the “real” one. We’ll see how Labour gets on in a few week’s time. FWIW, I think most of the people on the “real” list are decent and worthy people. Unfortunately, nobody knows whether they are likely to give effect to the Party’s values or just sell them out to the New Right once again. I think it’s probably too late now for these candidates to convince anyone, which is one of the reasons Labour’s support is tanking. It will be lucky to hold its Party Vote at the 2011 level this year – and that result was the worst in its history.
       • Anne 4.1.1.1

         23 June 2014 at 8:52 pm

         Oh dear….
         • freedom 4.1.1.1.1

           23 June 2014 at 9:36 pm

           +1 Anne
           leaves shaking head at the right’s complete lack of gumption to ever just say oops, sorry
5. blue leopard 5

   23 June 2014 at 4:10 pm

   Excellent

   I thought this was a critical piece for real when I read the title and reluctantly* clicked on it to see what the critics had to say.

   What a delight to discover the article was satire 🙂

   *overload -getting a bit sick of critical pieces about Labour – such a saturation of it in the media, and nearly always paying solely lip-service to real analysis.
6. Stuart Munro 6

   23 June 2014 at 5:30 pm

   Send war rocket Ajax to bring back his body…
7. Jimmie 7

   23 June 2014 at 6:16 pm

   Very unfair of all the critics to slam Labour in 2011 – they performed much better than the mockers proclaimed.

   So what was Labour’s percentage of vote in 2011 again? 27%…..hmmm maybe the critics were right.

   Will they be any better in 2014? Time will tell.
8. dave 8

   23 June 2014 at 6:37 pm

   hitler ,franco ,stalin, sadam hussain , george w g bush ,moe.caligullar,pol pot,john key must be on nationals list
9. Rodel 9

   23 June 2014 at 6:53 pm

   Bit sad that celebrities get votes.
   Celebrity defined as someone who is famous for achieving nothing..vis -Maggie and Rankin
10. Phil 10

    24 June 2014 at 1:45 pm

    3.Alexander the Great

    Pedantic point;
    Historians now regard Alexander of Macedon as probably the most brutal dictator to ever walk the face of the earth. He’s responsible for genocide, ethnic cleansing, and human atrocities on such a massive scale that even the worst of WWII pales in comparison.

    He was a great military strategist and general, no doubt… but he was an awful human being.
11. guven sağlar 11

    26 June 2014 at 1:56 am

    We need a real change of approach and we need credible evidence that Labour is able to make the machinery work for the people, instead of oppressing them.

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