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It’s past time to be bold about water

Written By: - Date published: 7:00 am, February 25th, 2017 - 147 comments
Categories: capitalism, disaster, Economy, election 2017, Environment, farming, greens, labour, maori party, water - Tags: , ,

In the wake of the debacle that is the National Government’s new ‘water quality’ policy how about we look at what should be done.

First up, change the government. It’s blatantly obvious that not only will National never do the right thing, but they are in fact taking the piss. So it’s worth voting on the left on water alone. Best case scenario is a strong Labour/Green coalition government with enough Green MPs to bring about real change in policy. I hope both parties campaign hard on water over the next 7 months.

We can see Labour and the Greens have some initial overlap already. This from Green MP Catherine Delahunty,

David and I were in agreement that there we must change the standards for freshwater to be genuinely swimmable. We agree that we need a price on the commercial use of water, urgently.

Great to see an intentional indication of where the two parties already agree. The Greens naturally enough have a stronger stance,

… we have to abandon a corporate agriculture that is trashing our waterways and that Fonterra, the Government, Councils and the irrigation companies do not have a mandate from the people of this country for business as usual. The Regional Councils are developing complex long-term plans to mitigate the pollution of freshwater but unless they help change the system the diffuse pollution of rivers and lakes will continue.

Green Party solutions,

  • making rivers swimmable by changing the NPS (National Policy Statement Freshwater),
  • setting strong limits for discharges of nitrogen,
  • putting a price on the commercial use of water,
  • no more dairy conversions,
  • a moratorium on bottled water consents,
  • a levy on polluters used for riparian fencing and planting,
  • reducing cow numbers across the country.
  • step up on urban pollution as well
  • design wetlands for stormwater
  • reduce urban pollution via better clean energy public transport
  • have better wastewater systems that use plants to clean waste
  • take some of the chemicals that contaminate sewage out of products we use daily.

That’s a range of cutting edge solutions on saving our water that are still doable for the mainstream. For two mainstream political parties I think it’s worthy and worthwhile supporting as a starting point.

And it’s not enough. It’s still adapting around a fundamentally unsustainable death cult that says the growth economy is what sustains us, instead of seeing the economy as something that arises from and is utterly dependent upon the natural world. National are hell bent on maximum extraction before collapse. The mainstream culture is still trying to balance having rivers to swim in but let’s do the least amount in order to have that, because, the economy. Note that Delahunty uses the word mitigate in reference to Regional Council long term plans. That means limit the damage we are going to keep doing or that we can’t control under the current and intended systems we have. The Greens are taking a bold stand to do better than that, and we need change within the culture (that’s us) to support them.

A while back I put up a post about water and cultural values, which I will quote the last part of below. If we truly want to get this right then we have to make the decision to value water in its own right, not just as a resource for us to manage. We will also have to make the choice to prioritise water over money. Water is life. This is the fight that’s coming down hard and fast on the planet as whole, it’s what’s been happening at Standing Rock, it’s why people are risking prison to resist. We have to make the connections between the growth economy, capitalism, bottled water, the Great Pacific Garbage Patch, the looming water wars, drought, climate change, climate change wars, industrial dairying, disease, species extinction, ecological collapse, and our deep desire to be able to swim in our own goddam rivers, and know that they are all the same thing and that it just has to stop. Water is both the front line and the rallying cry.

I don’t expect Labour or the Greens to push this more than they are, because their job is bring government policy into being that the mainstream can align with. But there is no reason that we cannot lead the way from outside of parliament.

From the post on Water and Cultural Values,

There is something very wrong with this picture. It’s the cultural values that see water primarily as a resource to be managed, whether that’s for commerce or recreation. Waterways have no intrinsic value. Water is there for our use and if we manage it right then all will be well, as if we have ever been smart enough to know how to manage it right. But a culture that doesn’t expect to drink from the rivers will also not look after them to a standard that supports the ecosystem that the water itself is dependent on. Water is life not just because we need to drink it, but because everything we have depends on the environment we live in being healthy and sustaining itself over time. The Standard commentor Roy Cartland,

Wade-able, swimmable, drinkable: these are all standards lower than what most fish can survive at. Just because an adult human can drink it, does not mean an ecosystem can survive in it. We need higher standards than any party is promoting.

(I got all that and more from Mike Joy’s lecture.)

Let’s look at a different set of values. The Māori Party alone say fresh water should be safe to drink, swim in, and gather kai from. In their policy on water they frame it as a taonga.

Water – Te Mana o Te Wai

The Māori Party established Te Mana o Te Wai – the health and well-being of our water – as a driving policy for freshwater management. The three elements of Te Mana o Te Wai are:

te hauora o te wai – the health and mauri (quality and vitality) of water

te hauora o taiao – the health and mauri of the environment and

te hauora o te tangata – the health and mauri of the people.

The Māori Party want to “ensure that Te Mana o Te Wai remains as the overarching objective for freshwater management”.

Leaving aside issues of the Māori Party’s dilemma in supporting National (please, not in this conversation*), what would it look like if NZ decided that the mana of the water was the guiding principle not just for all decisions but for the very relationship we have with water itself?

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* seriously, no gratuitous Māori Party-bashing. If you think you can make an argument about the Māori Party’s usefulness in this debate make sure you back it up from their policy and actual voting record and relate your comment back to the post, but really I’d much prefer it if people took the post seriously and looked at the cultural values being expressed. Generic comments about the Māori Party as National Party stooges will be shifted and likely result in a ban on the basis of derailment.

147 comments on “It’s past time to be bold about water ”

  1. greg 1

    stop the dairy industry externalizing the costs of the pollution to society . destroying the environment is just bad economics. dairy industry need to start accounting for the total cost. its totally wrong to expect society to tolerate the destruction of the environment in the interests of the few

  2. It’s not that they’re taking the piss, it’s that this is an election year, water quality is going to be a big election issue, they need to be able to present themselves as doing something to address that issue, but they also need to be careful to not actually do anything to address it because farmers are a big part of their constituency.

    So their latest announcement isn’t some kind of joke, it’s actually a finely-tuned response to what for them is a difficult situation. Even the worst people on the planet have reasons for the things they do.

    But yeah, bottom line is nothing gets done unless we change the government. Anyone voting National or its support parties this year is voting for more shit in our rivers.

  3. Cinny 3

    Good to see Rachel calling out Nickoff on this issue. Proud of her, all the best Rach.

    Nelson Labour candidate Rachel Boyack calls out Nick Smith on river quality report

    Will be interested to find where this story features in the print issue of the Nelson Mail, print version comes out after lunch today.
    Nelson voters need educating, Nickoff has been brain washing them for years.
    I’ve got my own plan for educating the nelson public 😀 and it’s going to be AWESOME 😀

  4. Antoine 4

    What would a Labour-led government do about freshwater?

    A.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 4.1

      Why don’t you go to their website and ask them? Too lazy?

      As a habitual National dupe, what have you ever done about freshwater? That’s right: you’ve voted for a party that shits in the water.

      • Antoine 4.1.1

        I didnt ask about the Labour policy or the Green policy; I want to know what a Labour-NZ First-Green government would actually do.

        Or are you saying that a Labour-led government would aim to follow Labour’s policies, irrespective of what the Greens and NZ First think on the issue?

        • One Anonymous Bloke 4.1.1.1

          More than the National Party. Read their (G/L/NZF) policies.

          • Antoine 4.1.1.1.1

            Which is the one that’s actually going to be adopted? I won’t bother with the other two.

            • One Anonymous Bloke 4.1.1.1.1.1

              What do you care? It’s quite clear you are here to ask bad faith questions and you will carry on voting for more shit anyway.

              • Antoine

                Well, I’m not changing my vote over this unless someone can show me how a Labour-led government will improve the situation.

                • One Anonymous Bloke

                  Then keep on voting for shit. Your call.

                • weka

                  “Well, I’m not changing my vote over this unless someone can show me how a Labour-led government will improve the situation.”

                  I also find this line disingenuous. Obviously no-one can predict the exact make up of a left-wing govt water policy, because we have no idea who that govt will be made up of, or what numbers.

                  However we do know what the baseline for the party that will lead a left govt is. I put a bit in the post, and Jenny has posted more in the comments. So at a minimum I expect a left wing govt to use the water standards that Labour is referring to.

                  Go look them up if you want the actual detail. Myself, I think that it’s blatantly obvious that a change in govt will lead to an improvement in water. So obvious that it’s hard to see what your are trying to do here.

                  • weka

                    btw, it’s nobody’s job here to educate you. You can ask questions because there are lots of knowledgeable people here, but when you start asking repeatedly in a way that suggests you’re not willing to do your own homework, people will get antsy. You’ll get more respect if you look it up yourself and report back.

                    • Antoine

                      > You’ll get more respect if you look it up yourself and report back.

                      I can look up all 3 policies, or I could if Labour’s one was publically available (as far as I can tell it’s not), but that still won’t answer the question of which one is actually going to happen.

                      A.

                    • weka

                      which puts you in the same boat as every other voter in NZ. I don’t see the problem tbh.

                  • Antoine

                    It’s my nature. I see a problem, it seems concerning, I’d like to know what the proposal is for dealing with it. If you can’t tell me what the proposal is, you can’t expect me to be much impressed.

                    [now you look like you are trolling. I don’t give a shit if you are impressed or not. What I care about is whether you want to discuss the post or not. You are looking more like you want to run a derailment line of “I’m going to vote National because I don’t like MMP”. You’ve asked your question, it’s been answered, move on or risk being moderated.- weka]

                    • Antoine

                      Ok

                      Let me make up for my transgressions by posting some actual information – the NZ First environment policy. It is here http://www.nzfirst.org.nz/environment_and_conservation.

                      Note it does specifically provide for subsidising dams for irrigation schemes.

                      A.

                    • Wayne

                      NZ First is not going to allow Green Party policy destroy the livelihoods of many of their supporters. Many come from the rural sector, or are in jobs supported by the rural sector.

                      So if there is a Labour /NZ First/Green govt, most of the Green policies set out in the article, at least as they relate to farming, will not happen.

                      The Grens will get most of their urban policies (but not the ban on new roads), and they would also get an expanded campaign for more stream margin planting. In fact that might tie into a job creation scheme.

                      But in any event Winston can just as easily go with the Nats as he can with Labour/Greens. It will depend on the final balance in the parliament and the nature of the deal he is offered.

                      It is already quite clear that Bill English does not come with the issues that John Key had with Winston, so the picture on the right is different to what it was in 2016.

                    • weka

                      That’s close to how I see it too. The left needs to be under no illusions that if NZF get to be kingmaker we can easily end up with a 4th National govt.

                      The main bit I disagree with is Wayne’s implication that Green Party want to destroy jobs (a fairly typical RW spin), or that the Green’s policies will destroy jobs, or that Green policies will leave many rural people unemployed. Might want to put up a citation there Wayne to back up what you are trying to say.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      Wayne will find zero evidence for his lies.

                    • KJT

                      Wayne.
                      Funny thing is that deterioration of the environment is going to DESTROY all jobs. Dairying in particular, is very dependent on quality water supplies.

                      The Greens destroying jobs is an oft repeated meme that NACT, and Labour, like to use. In fact there are more potential jobs in a sustainable economy. In some countries jobs in sustainable energy have overtaken those in hydrocarbons.
                      Not in New Zealand, due to Nationals inability to see more than a year into the future.

                      There has been plenty of discussion within the Greens about how to destock,, and sustainable farming, without destroying farmers in the process.
                      One of the options is funding farming into more sustainable and value added farming, which will benefit farming families in the long term. Another is getting land prices back to a level where farmers can afford to look after resources.

                      Meanwhile NACT are still spending on “buggy whip makers”.

                  • One Anonymous Bloke

                    Leaving aside Antoine’s snide bad faith (I wonder if he and other National Party avatars realise how utterly transparent they are) it’s a valid question.

                    From the NZ1st policy statement

                    Water is a common good and cannot be owned by any person or by the Crown.

                    Any such rights residing in any person must be established under the common law through existing legal processes.
                    Priorities for granting water rights must place public benefit before private benefit.
                    Requirements for domestic supply of water must prevail over all other takes and uses.
                    The current first in – first served approach for commercial water rights must be abandoned in favour of a strategic approach which places national needs in order of priority for the granting of water rights.
                    Requirements for the use of water for industrial purposes, electricity generation or agricultural irrigation (including forestry) must only be met to the extent that both the requirements of the RMA are met and sustainable agricultural outcomes are also met, including optimisation of water use efficiency.
                    Rights to take and use water are available only to New Zealand people (citizens and permanent residents) and New Zealand owned companies, and must not be alienated to overseas persons or interests whether directly or indirectly.
                    Water must not be taxed or subjected to any charge beyond the recovery of capital, and the operational costs (including a fair rate of return) of taking storing and reticulating it for the uses intended.
                    The special character of New Zealand’s remaining wild and scenic rivers must be protected by clearly identifying and listing them and by adopting specific policies for this purpose..

                    Plus a dogwhistle or two.

                    The Greens:

                    1. Establishing a protected rivers network to permanently safeguard our most precious rivers similar to the permanent protection given to national parks.

                    2. Setting robust water quality standards that ensure rivers are clean and healthy enough for swimming

                    3. Keeping our wild rivers wild by not building any new dams on them.

                    Labour:

                    We will introduce a revised NPS on water quality based on the principles of the Sheppard version. That means:

                    Clean rivers and lakes will not be allowed to get dirty;

                    Dirty rivers and lakes will be cleaned up over a generation; and

                    Increases in intensity of land use will be controlled rather than permitted as of right.

                    Improvements to farm practice will be required to offset the additional environmental burden caused by more livestock, fertiliser and effluent.

                    (cf: Jenny Kirk @4.2.1.2.1.2)

                    1. The policies are not as disparate as Antoine pretends to care they are. There is plenty of common ground.
                    2. Who will judge which rivers are “precious”? Certainly not the fauna that rely on the remainder.
                    3. The RMA is already in place. Once the National Party stains have been wiped off, it provides a good starting point. There is plenty of institutional expertise available already.

                    This is do-able, but first, just as with housing, wages, Climatology, human rights and the rule of law, corruption, fraud, and education, the National Party has to be removed from government.

    • Cinny 4.2

      Just did a quick google for you A. Turns out their policy is about clean water without ‘moving the goal posts’.

      http://www.labour.org.nz/labour_s_water_policy_is_for_our_kids_not_national

      • Antoine 4.2.1

        It’s kind of underwhelming. Long-term aspirational targets plus a charge on irrigation.

        Also where is the policy? This is just a press release, not the policy itself, which I can’t find.

        A.

        • weka 4.2.1.1

          Labour removed all their 2014 election policy off their website recently as part of the the election year. They decided that after the last election all policy would be reviewed and reintroduced. That’s the process they are in now.

          • Antoine 4.2.1.1.1

            Oh well, wake me up when they have some policy in the area, then

            A.

            [how about I just ban you site-wide until Monday instead? Don’t troll my posts again. – weka]

        • weka 4.2.1.2

          “It’s kind of underwhelming.”

          Then vote for the Greens. Because Labour’s position is miles better than Nationals, but if we want to see real change we need maximum Green MPs in parliament.

          • Antoine 4.2.1.2.1

            > Labour’s position is miles better than Nationals

            Is it really? Nothing in Labour’s press release gives me confidence that they would clean up our waterways. Aspirational standards and an irrigation tax, as I said below.

            > if we want to see real change we need maximum Green MPs in parliament

            Has Labour indicated that it will adopt Green policy increasingly, as the Green voting strength increases?

            A.

            • weka 4.2.1.2.1.1

              At a very basic level the more MPs a coalition partner has, the more clout it has, both in parliament and in policy development/implementation. That’s how it’s supposed to work. We’ve just forgotten because National aren’t really a coalition govt, they’re a FPP mentality govt with a few add ons to give them the legitimate numbers.

              “Is it really? Nothing in Labour’s press release gives me confidence that they would clean up our waterways. Aspirational standards and an irrigation tax, as I said below.”

              Yeah, but I don’t see anything from you that suggests water is something you would change your vote over.

              “aspirational standards”, lol, from someone who votes for the party that made vacuous an art form.

            • Jenny Kirk 4.2.1.2.1.2

              Some specific actions Labour will take in government.

              Freshwater: We will introduce a revised NPS on water quality based on the principles of the Sheppard version. That means:

              Clean rivers and lakes will not be allowed to get dirty;

              Dirty rivers and lakes will be cleaned up over a generation; and

              Increases in intensity of land use will be controlled rather than permitted as of right.

              Improvements to farm practice will be required to offset the additional environmental burden caused by more livestock, fertiliser and effluent.

              All the above are quotes from a speech given by Labour MP David Parker in Christchurch on 5 May 2014.
              Nothing has changed – this continues to be Labour’s policy on fresh water.

  5. Jenny Kirk 5

    Totally agree with the post, Weka, and for the record this is what Labour is saying :

    Eight years ago National spiked the National Policy Statement recommended by former head Environment Court Judge Sheppard after the full RMA process. The core provision of that NPS was that increases in farming intensity (more livestock, irrigation or fertiliser per hectare) would no longer be permitted.
    For eight years, they have overseen increasing pollution of our rivers, adopting the pathetic “wadeable” standard while allowing river pollution to get worse.

    Labour will re-issue the NPS without the trickery. We will return to the principles of the Sheppard NPS. We will enforce the existing swimmable standard, not National’s dirty substitute.

    It is a birthright to be able to swim in our rivers and Labour will reverse the damage wrought under National,” says David Parker

    – Media release NZLP 21/2/2017

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1702/S00334/smiths-water-quality-con-falling-apart.htm

    Labour Leader Andrew Little says the new policy is “a jaw-dropping display of political hypocrisy which picked up on what Labour had promised in 2008. National has simply wasted nine years of dithering ……and our waterways have got dirtier”.

    – Stuff 23/2/2017

    Meanwhile up the north here (Kaipara and Whangarei rohe) we have had one Maori man who, with a growing number of volunteers, has spent the last few years kayaking up and down the rivers and streams documenting and taking photos of cattle in rivers – and asking the Northland Regional Council to take action. Slowly making an impact – but like the govt the NRC has put a 20 year deadline on farmers to fence their properties from the water – and that is far too long a time span. They need to be doing it now. (To be fair, a few farmers ARE doing it – but not enough).

    Millan Ruka has spent his retirement savings, and his retirement time, on doing this work, and he and his friends are starting to make an impact, but not yet enough to really get the NRC moving quickly.

    I pehea ngā maunga, awa, koawaawa i pāorooro ai?

    ‘In what way do the rivers, streams and mountains echo?’ The meaning of this whakatauki runs deep, linking people to the land, the water and to each other. The echoes and vibrations of sound reach afar symbolising our whakapapa links to one and other via the natural environment.

    – Copied from Te Uriroroi Hapu Environmental Management Plan

    http://www.wdc.govt.nz/PlansPoliciesandBylaws/Plans/DistrictPlan/Documents/Version-2-Te-Uriroroi-Hapu-Environment-Plan-and-Whatitiri-Hapu-Environment-Plan.pdf

    So – although local Maori in the north are really concerned about the state of their waterways, and working at getting much better freshwater quality, I – personally – am not at all sure that the Maori Party has yet picked up on their own policy for water and have not yet seen any evidence that they are intent on doing so.

    Their words are great, but action would be even better.

    [links and formatting tidied up so its easier to read – weka]

    • Antoine 5.1

      Where can I see the Sheppard NPS? Or, what are its principles that Labour proposes to readopt?

      Does it really say that no increase in farming will be permitted (as you quote above)? If so, is that Labour’s proposal?

      • One Anonymous Bloke 5.1.1

        farming

        🙄

        Bad faith commenter misrepresents policy position. Probably deliberately.

  6. Ian 6

    So reducing my theoretical nitrate leaching 35 percent by 2025 is not doing anything?
    I get the impression with this hit job on farming that nothing we do to improve the environment will get any recognition.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 6.1

      Can’t you tell the difference between yourself – a self-aggrandising fatmouth – and farmers as a group? Get a clue: even your reps pay lip service to the problem.

      • Ian 6.1.1

        No need to carry on like an unpaid whore .what’s your problem?why are you so offensive??

        • weka 6.1.1.1

          Presumably an unpaid whore would have a legitimate grievance. Is that what you are suggesting for OAB?

          He’s always like that, and sometimes we’re a bit sensitive to trolling here. Your comments are often too brief to fully understand your point so it’s natural that people will add their interpretation to them. OAB tends to the humiliation as tool end of the political spectrum.

          • Ian 6.1.1.1.1

            If you want real people to engage and have a good yak that prik needs to go

            [have a read of the Policy and About. You are free to not like any commenter, and to criticise their politics or even behaviour, but there’s a line when it comes to telling the authors how to run the site – weka]

        • One Anonymous Bloke 6.1.1.2

          Why am I so offensive? Perhaps, just maybe, when you tell lies about a “hit job on farming”, you are being offensive, aggressive even. I suggest that you stop lying and smearing and whining and pretending that having to obey the law is such an unconscionable burden, and see if you get a better response.

    • KJT 6.2

      Farming. Dairy in particular, have already been mentioned here for their stellar improvements in waterway fencing and effluent management.
      Unfortunately the intensification of dairying continues to offset mitigation efforts.

      I don’t think further conversions are good for existing farmers anyway.
      We are already the worlds largest dairy exporter. From what i see flooding the market even more is going to result in even lower returns.

      Destocking and lowering the costs of inputs may well make farmers better off, long term. As will New Zealanders being able to afford our own farm products.

      • Ian 6.2.1

        Please supply the financial budgets supporting your hypothesis and you will make a fortune on the back of all the super rich farmers that are following your words of wisdom.

        • weka 6.2.1.1

          I think the point is to get past the whole super rich thing.

          One of the biggest challenges is that too many farms carry too much debt. In that sense I see banks, farm advisors and the govt as culpable as the actual farmers. The whole set up around selling too, it really locks farmers into some pretty weird systems that are all about the dosh and not about the land or even the farmer necessarily. We’re a long way from home now.

    • weka 6.3

      “So reducing my theoretical nitrate leaching 35 percent by 2025 is not doing anything?
      I get the impression with this hit job on farming that nothing we do to improve the environment will get any recognition.”

      See this is a really good example of what the problem is. Reducing nitrate leachate needs to be done first in relation to existing rates and the catchment’s ability to manage that, not some random %, but ultimately looking at nitrates in isolation just keeps us in the ‘what can we get away with’ band, and that’s not going to be enough.

      So yeah, if that’s the position you are taking then you won’t get the recognition you want. Farmers let this situation get out of control as much as everyone else. If you manage the land then there is an additional onus on you as caretaker.

    • McFlock 6.4

      Didn’t you claim yesterday that you were a farmer who left the waterways around you “pristine”?

      35% of 0 is zero.

      • Ian 6.4.1

        The river on my boundary has trace levels of nitrate. I don’t know why I am required to lower nitrate leaching by 35 percent. Some pinhead bureaucrats have drawn a line on a map. One size fits all.

        • weka 6.4.1.1

          Are you a member of Federated Farmers?

          • Ian 6.4.1.1.1

            I am a member in the sense that I pay them an annual subscription. I don’t interact with them in any other way unless I need a hand to negotiate with those that are out to get me
            I have found over time that I am my best advocate

            • weka 6.4.1.1.1.1

              My suggestion then is that if you are unhappy with stupid regs from the Regional Council is that Federated Farmers are the ones to hold accountable.

              • Ian

                The feds are just another cog in the wheel.they had minimal input into the regulations .the ecan agenda was allways the only show in town. If you want to come and visit my wetland and share my passion for the natural environment I would be honoured to show you around

                • weka

                  What sort of farm is it?

                  Federated Farmers are hugely influential on what happens with regulations in NZ, including at the council level. I’m more familiar with the ORC, but what it looks like to me is that we would have had far better protections, regulatory and enforcement, if it weren’t for lobbying against that from the farming communities. So if the regs have ended up weird, that’s a big factor IMO.

                  Harder to tell with Ecan I guess given the govt fired the people that were elected to protect the water.

                  I am curious about why you have a problem with the push for better regulations if you are already on board with the need for things like wetlands.

                  • Ian

                    I don’t have any issue with better regulations. I do have an issue with so called experts that did a land based degree and worked a few weeks on a farm and think they know it all.Even though it was 30 years ago
                    Is my old mate Peter Bodecker still working at Otago Regional Council ?

                    • weka

                      “I do have an issue with so called experts that did a land based degree and worked a few weeks on a farm and think they know it all.”

                      Who is that?

                    • lprent []

                      Me. It was a bit more than a few weeks.

                      My parents had a 88 acre hill farm at Puhio that I worked on for most weekends and holidays from 1975-1978. I then spent 6 months working on a town supply at Alfriston, followed by a 5 months at Kinloch station before going to university. I continued to spend a lot of time working on farms and various other types of out door recreation. At least up until the net became interesting.

                      Like the factory work from 1974, the army from 1977 and the bar work from 1979 – the idea was to figure out what I was good at and what I wanted to do (or not do). Like everything that I do, I tend to go into it at depth – a lot of depth.

                    • weka

                      I reckon having teens and young adults work on the land would be one of the better moves we could make at this point. With jobs assigned based on suitability, and not with the aim of making them all farmers, but just to give them a good grounding in what that part of NZ is all about.

                    • Ian []

                      This current anti farmer Pol gram by labour and their green party partners against the farming community is an absolute disgrace. It is becoming very clear and understandable why Donald Trump got elected as the potus.

                    • lprent []

                      Why? All they are saying is that farmers should not need to not pollute to produce. Especially not polluting all our fresh water.

                      Hell – even Federated Farmers says that. http://www.fedfarm.org.nz/FFPublic/Policy/National/Water.aspx

                      Federated Farmers acknowledge that farming has an impact on the environment but it is also part of the solution. It is working closely with primary sector organisations to support the development and uptake of initiatives to improve the efficiency of resource use and to minimise run-off and leaching from farmland. Over the last decade, significant progress has been made across all farming sectors: in addition to major investments in research and extension activities, a number of sectors have implemented audited self-management systems.

                      Federated Farmers emphasises that industry leadership, rather than regulation by arbitrary numbers, will deliver water-efficient and nutrient-efficient farming systems that enhance ecological and recreational values.

                      The only real problem is that the water quality levels in most farming areas over the last decade are still getting worse not better. That is a direct result of deliberate intensification that is obviating anything that farmers are managing to achieve. If farming cannot regulate itself to produce better results when it comes to water, then they will be regulated.

                      This regulation is no different to any other sectors of the economy. It happens to factories, sewerage systems, runoff systems for houses and other buildings, and everything else to do with water. Why should farmers be the exempt polluters?

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      anti farmer

                      Liar.

                      I have been quoting Federated Farmers at you for a reason. In acknowledging the problems we face, are they "anti farmer"?

                      Stop whinging. Valid criticism is not an attack.

        • McFlock 6.4.1.2

          So what leeway do you have? Surely if your levels are that low then 35% would be well within the margin for error of the sampling method?

          • Ian 6.4.1.2.1

            You tell me. I had no input into this thing. I have just been told I have to reduce my nitrate leaching by 35 percent by 2025. I am just collecting facts and not getting too concerned about the rabid lefty bureaucrats that hate me and my family and and are trying to destroy my business. Just look at the vitriol directed at me and my family on this blog.you guys need to get out of your echoes chamber and come and visit the wetland on our Dairy farm. A cover charge will apply at my discretion

            • McFlock 6.4.1.2.1.1

              Meh. No matter. If your current leaching is tiny, even a tiny change to your land management will make the required change, it would hardly destroy your business.

              Meanwhile, the bad farmers who aren’t taking the same care that you currently are will have a more difficult job of it. But they shouldn’t be in the business if the only way they can do it is to have the rest of us put up with their pollution.

            • One Anonymous Bloke 6.4.1.2.1.2

              Ian @ 9:14am: reducing my theoretical nitrate leaching 35 percent by 2025 is not doing anything?

              Ian @ 11:38 pm: I have to reduce my nitrate leaching by 35 percent by 2025

              The first statement makes it sound as though Ian is doing it voluntarily. Over twelve hours later, the truth comes out: the requirement that he obey the law is a hate campaign.

              If you want to be trusted, my advice, Ian, is that you stop lying.

  7. Saarbo 7

    2 things
    1) This type of thing is happening throughout NZ, this will place a cap on Dairying.
    https://www.waikatoregion.govt.nz/council/policy-and-plans/plans-under-development/healthy-rivers-plan-for-change

    2) Whole provinces and most small towns in NZ rely on Dairy Farming for their existence.

    • Jenny Kirk 7.1

      Thanks for the link, Saarbo. Looks like Waikato regional council are a bit more on the ball than Northland RC.
      I’ll have a good read of this, and see if there’s anything there we can use up north when making our submissions on freshwater to the NRC. Waikato might be setting an example which the NRC could be persuaded to follow !

      • Saarbo 7.1.1

        Thanks Jenny, it was set up by a collaborative group of 24, pretty well balanced I think.

        We are in the process of setting up an Environmental Plan for our farm so that we are ready when it is implemented…it will definitely reduce contaminants into waterways quite significantly.

    • Jenny Kirk 8.1

      Yes, halfcrown, that is the sort of thing people up here are starting to realise – we don’t need this intensification of dairying if it means a dirty environment.
      Dairying could be cut back a fair bit, and our rivers separated out and cleaned up and re-vegetated – and we’d be back to a winning formula for all. But the government has to realise that too, and act on it – not put up sham ineffective so-called policies just to look good.

  8. “The Māori Party want to “ensure that Te Mana o Te Wai remains as the overarching objective for freshwater management”.”

    I like the framing here and I agree that the mana of the water is paramount – without that the mana of the people perish and the people perish too.

    for example

    Ngati Tama ki Te Waipounamu has applied directly to the Environment Minister Nick Smith for an unprecedented water conservation order for the aquifer that feeds Te Waikoropupu Springs in Golden Bay.

    Ngati Tama ki Te Waipounamu, and a Golden Bay resident Andrew Yiull, are using ‘Water Conservation Order’ provisions under the Resource Management Act to seek central Government protection of the aquifer.

    “Te Waikoropupu is known internationally, but the aquifer that supplies it, in contrast, is almost unknown,” Yiull said.

    They have applied to the Environment Minister Nick Smith. Seeking to protect the aquifer is a legal first and if successful, will create a precedent, they say.

    Yiull said they were forced to take the action due to the threat that Tasman District Council might approve more commercial and farming water allocations in Golden Bay that could affect the water clarity of the springs.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/89717655/golden-bay-iwi-apply-for-countrys-first-water-conservation-order-for-an-aquifer

    Kaitiakitanga – what does it actually mean?

    I’ve gone through this before and imo

    kaitiakitanga is a reflection of mana. If the waterway is clean and provides abundance then visitors can be fed which increases the mana of the people and this increases the mana of the waterway – this is upwardly spiraling – more mana, more protection, more abundance, more mana etc

    If we saw waterways and water itself in this way we (and many of us already do think this) would feel shame that our waterways are so non-abundant, sick and dying – thus reflecting something about us and our mana. The exploiters don’t think this way – they see a commodity that can be exploited.

    I don’t think we will change people to see water like this until the barriers to understanding tangata whenua and the Māori worldview are listened to and understood a little. And frankly I can’t see that day being tomorrow.

    • weka 9.1

      Ae, I saw how you put it the other day, that race relations keep getting reset to zero 🙁

      When I was putting up the post last night I realised that Pākehā do have better values around water and the environment than I was giving them credit for. I might do a post on that, need to think on it some more. But I’m wondering now if those better values get subsumed (by economics) rather than them being non-existent.

      Thanks for the explanation of the relationship between kaitiakitanga and mana.

      “I don’t think we will change people to see water like this until the barriers to understanding tangata whenua and the Māori worldview are listened to and understood a little.”

      What do you think the main barriers are?

      • marty mars 9.1.1

        fear probably

        I also think many many people from every ethnicity care about the environment and water and our children and the flora and fauna – somehow we have to pull those threads out because they are imo stronger than the imposed economic and commodification matrix currently being force-fed to us. Not sure how to do it though 🙁

        • weka 9.1.1.1

          I reckon (re the threads). I’ll think on this some more. So many Pākehā have a connection with the land but the culture doesn’t enable ways to discuss that that don’t end up either being new agey or reductionist/commodified. I’m sure there is a language there somewhere, might be good to find it.

          • weka 9.1.1.1.1

            Do you know of anyone doing cross cultural work on this? I was hugely influenced in the 80s and 90s by Irihapeti Ramsden’s work on biculturalism. I did one of her workshops and it was very inclusive and encouraged Pākehā to see the positives of their own cultures as well as look at the difficult history in NZ. It was also helpful for me to see how she worked with Māori in a group that had more Pākehā in it. It was all about the relationship and feeding people’s sense of self, place, culture.

            Some of the decolonisation/anti-racism work from that time too, really helped me start to see that certain ways of thinking could be undone and put back together in a different way. A long ongoing process.

            I wonder if a similar process can be applied to the issue of land/water. Mostly I see Pākehā needing to decolonise, but that’s a pretty radical process and something like what Ramsden was going is probably more likely to succeed. Her work was radical too, but presented in ways that people could relate to.

            Robert, are you seeing this?

  9. I cannot see how water quality will get better unless we address the dairy issue. And the dairy issue is directly related to promises of continued growth, jobs, development. What is Labour saying about this? What are their plans for this? If someone says they will make the water better and they are not considering these economic/progress arguments then they are kidding themselves and us. Also how does the impact of climate change affect this? Once again if someone says we will fix this without considering what effects climate change could have on the progress of the fix then, really, it is just noise.

    • weka 10.1

      Yes, Labour’s position looks to be an improvement on National’s, but it’s not nearly enough. I will be interested to see what they do when they present their new water policy.

      I think there are two broad issues here. One is what really needs to be done (te mana o te wai). The other is what can a left wing govt do, given how much dairying there is, how reliant the economy is on it, and how easy/difficult it would be to transition local economies off industrial dairying. This is why I will argue for the most Green MPs we can get. They won’t be able to work miracles, but they can change the nature of the debate.

      • marty mars 10.1.1

        Yes the tension between what really needs to be done and what can and will be done is major. Perhaps the question of our times because it relates to CC, to everything. At some point before we are all dead maybe the two will merge – probably being a bit optimistic there – if we cannot front up to reality then we will be drinking and swimming in shit until the rivers dry up in a few years.

  10. Poission 11

    Wade-able, swimmable, drinkable: these are all standards lower than what most fish can survive at. Just because an adult human can drink it, does not mean an ecosystem can survive in it. We need higher standards than any party is promoting.

    which allows for rigorous legitimate debate of products entering the ecosystems and water supply significantly more dangerous then natural bacteria.

    It’s past time to be bold about water

  11. aerobubble 12

    New Zealand clean Green closed till 2040, when we’ll have similar standars as highly over oopulated Europe. So tourists go there for now, and when we get round to it we still wont have any point of difference on river quality.

  12. AB 13

    One more suggestion.
    End the National party-generated fiction that “nobody owns water”.
    Instead say that “everybody owns water equally”. And that’s because it is part of the Commons. And that it cannot be used commercially or degraded in any way without the permission of the public and without some form of payment to the public.

  13. Anthony Rimell 14

    Excellent article Weka.

    I fully agree that robust fora like this are the places to push forward the agenda on essential discussions such as this one on water quality. Well written, passionately argued, and gushing (excuse the pun) with essential facts.

    More and more, as the right uses nonsense jargon like ‘alternative facts’ and ‘junk science’ to dismiss real concerns we need to speak up. Louder, stronger, and in multiple places.

    which leads me to my point: I encourage us all to share this article on other sites, so it doesn’t become an echo chamber of agreement among we who are already aware. Weka has written an excellent article. Now it’s our job to get the word out wider!

  14. * thinks – If the waterways of our various south-south Pacific islands were viewed as our venous system; not the veins of the land but our personal veins, carrying our personal life blood, we could effect enormous change to how we behave…
    *realises – most people don’t respect their own body’s “waterways”/venous system, dumping toxic, low-quality stuff into them without much concern…
    *concludes – there’s far to go

  15. millsy 16

    Really. How hard is it for farmers to stop trashing our waterways. Sure they may have to pass on buying the latest Hilux this year to pay for it, but there are going to have to be sacrifices made.

  16. “It’s blatantly obvious that not only will National never do the right thing, but they are in fact taking the piss.”

    Can you back up your claim of fact?

    Smith has communicated his water policy poorly, and perhaps whatever National do on water will never be enough or ‘the right thing’ for some, but there is at least partial support of what Smith has proposed. For example:

    The Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment has labelled the government’s new water quality targets as worthy but confusing.

    Commissioner Jan Wright said there were “some good things” in the policy, including around stock exclusion.

    “The document is largely a reaction to the public outcry about wadeability being a standard for freshwater, if you recall … They have moved to a focus on swimmability. The government has taken on the message that people want to go down to a river on a hot day and jump in.

    “Another thing they’ve done in it – they’ve got a map, with a colour scheme, that grades rivers in swimmability from blue to red, where blue is excellent and red is very bad. They’ve published all of those, and that’s very transparent, and that’s going to upset some of the councils.”

    On the bad side, Dr Wright said, the changes in water quality measurement were “very confusing”.

    The 90 percent target also included many waterways that no-one would swim in anyway, including rivers in very remote or very cold places, she said.

    She said the focus should instead be on the most vulnerable, or already-polluted, areas, which tended to be closer to sea level and near where people lived.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/201834550/govt-environment-watchdog-concerned-about-water-changes

    A better targeted approach sounds sensible – but water can be a moving target.

    A big question is whether ‘the right thing’ can be done with current levels of agricultural intensification or not. If not there could be bigger costs than the direct costs of cleaning up and fencing waterways.

    • “A big question is whether ‘the right thing’ can be done with current levels of agricultural intensification or not.”

      Question? You are still asking that question?

      Lordy!

      • Pete George 17.1.1

        So what is your answer? And have you costed it?

        • millsy 17.1.1.1

          A lot cheaper than having people coming down with gastro, but you arent bothered with that as long as farmers can afford a new tractor next season.

          • Pete George 17.1.1.1.1

            You’re making things up about what I’m bothered about.

            • millsy 17.1.1.1.1.1

              Well, you seem to be OK with farmers polluting our water as long as they make money.

              • You’ve made things up again with nothing to substantiate it. Some people don’t get away with that sort of behaviour here.

                • millsy

                  Do you want famers to stop polluting our water ways? Yes or no.

                  • Yes, and not just farmers. I’ve thought this for a long time.

                    I’ve supported a lot of Green environmental policy for a long time, except that some of their solutions are impractical and unrealistic.

                    Pollution from over intensification of farming – which stared long before the current Government got into office – is a major issue but without simple and quick solutions. Resolving things is complex and will take a lot of effort and time.

                    • millsy

                      But you seem to just want to let them do it beause they want to make money. Restrictions on how much crap you want put into our rivers lead to cleaner waterways. If we didnt have those restrictions, then our waterways would be dirty, simple.

                    • “But you seem to just want to let them do it beause they want to make money.”

                      Where did you get that idea from? I don’t think I’ve said or implied anything like that, so this is just another ignorant/false accusation.

                    • Macro

                      I’ve supported a lot of Green environmental policy for a long time, except that some of their solutions are impractical and unrealistic.
                      Name one you support.
                      Name one you think is impractical.

                    • I support many environmental policies, like reducing pollution, reducing fossil fuel use and reliance, reducing agricultural intensity, using private vehicle reliance, but I don’t think the speed and degree Greens want to achieve some of these things is realistic.

                      I supported the Green initiatives on home insulation. I also supported their Solar Homes policy announced in 2014 but I thought their priority was wrong, I asked about including energy saving through double glazing but Russel Norman responded “Can’t do everything at once. We did solar hot water, then insulation, now solar electricity. One step at a time.”

                      I think it makes more sense to save energy as much as possible, hence I think double glazing makes more sense as a priority over solar energy – especially in the south of the country where solar is less available when energy is most needed.

                    • Macro

                      So all those are practical solutions to environmental issues.
                      By the way you are incorrect wrt to solar in the south.
                      Germany in 2015 was the second highest installer of Solar after China installing 39,600 MW of capacity.
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_of_photovoltaics
                      The Germans are no fools when it comes to energy and efficiency.
                      https://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/content/dam/ise/en/documents/publications/studies/recent-facts-about-photovoltaics-in-germany.pdf
                      The Latitude of Germany is around 51 degrees North. That is closer to the North Pole than Invercargill is to the South Pole (46 degrees South).
                      You mention the fact that double glazing would be a good policy. I totally agree. However the problem – as explained by Russell – is what is achievable politically. Remember that these initiatives were brought into being through MOU’s with Labour and National – not through the process of implementing policy through being in Government. There is only so much that can be achieved through that.

                      Disclaimer:
                      I worked for a time for an importer of solar hot water heating systems. There are very good systems available that will work equally as well in the south of the South Island as in the North.

                  • Do you want famers to stop polluting our water ways? Yes or no.

                    What a ridiculous question. In millsy commenting, that would invite the statement “Well, you seem to be OK with people who aren’t farmers polluting our waterways as long as they make money.”

              • AB

                “our water”
                Absolutely. If they want to pollute our water to make more money, they need to:
                1.) get our permission
                2.) give us the extra money they make (or a fair proportion of it)
                i.e. they cannot wreck OUR water for THEIR profit.
                It’s our water FFS – get your greedy damn hands off it.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 17.1.1.2

          If not there could be bigger costs than the direct costs of cleaning up and fencing waterways.

          You made this unsubstantiated assertion. How do you know there “could” be? Have you paid the slightest bit of attention to any facts while forming your opinion? What is your estimation of the benefits, for example.

          Hop to it. There’s lots of information available out there, as a simple Google search would have shown you if you’d ever done one, instead of pulling your opinion out of yawnz.

          • Pete George 17.1.1.2.1

            Don’t be pathetic.

            If dairy herd reductions were forced on farmers cutting cow numbers, say, in half, it would have major implications for rural communities and service centres, employment in the regions, there would be major flow on effects to supporting industries and regional cities, to ports, to export earnings and more.

            It doesn’t require Google to see the obvious, except perhaps for you.

            • KJT 17.1.1.2.1.1

              And maybe a few inefficient farms that are over borrowed, and too intensively reliant on high inputs, will go, making life better for those who farm for a living, not capital gains.

              • One Anonymous Bloke

                That’s what the big players call “acquisition opportunities”. Petty players, not so much 😉

            • One Anonymous Bloke 17.1.1.2.1.2

              “In half”.

              They might have to convert to a different form of agriculture. Grow something other than grass! How terrible!

              It doesn’t take much to see the obvious, unless you’re a bland tiresome lazy unimaginative bore.

              • If you weren’t a bland tiresome lazy unimaginative bore you would have been able to say what could be grown in New Zealand other than grass that would mitigate the many problems a significant reduction of dairy herd numbers would cause.

                But you tend not to have any solutions so fall back on lazy attack.

            • Sacha 17.1.1.2.1.3

              Fewer cows can produce more profit. Studies have showed similar profits with smaller herds that did not require buying supplementary feed. Here’s one story: http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/dairy/68144618/Rising-feed-costs-eroding-NZ-dairyings-competitive-advantage

              More importantly, the whole dairy industry needs to transition fast to exporting higher-value finished products like cheese, yoghurt, and nutraceuticals rather than cheap bulk milk powder that lets overseas companies capture most of the value chain. Govt and industry have been paying lip service but not doing enough of the actual work needed. Someone needs to crack the whip.

              • I’m aware of the studies on fewer cows being more profitable, but I don’t think that will lead to major reductions in herd sizes.

                I think that with the downturn in dairy prices some herd reductions and seeking a more profitable balance will already be happening to an extent. I’m sure that many dairy farmers will be at least looking at this. That article is from nearly two years ago.

                I don’t think transitioning to higher value products is as quick or as easy as it sounds. If it was possible and practical then it would be happening more already. But pushing for more of it makes sense.

                • Sacha

                  “If it was possible and practical then it would be happening more already.”

                  Only if you believe in the tenets of neoliberalism. Markets on their own are notorious for not acting towards overall longer-term benefit.

              • The total herd size peaked at 5,018,333 on 2014/15 and eased back to 4,997,811 in 2015/16.

                Average cows per hectare eased from a peak of 2.87 to 2.85.

                http://www.dairyatwork.co.nz/media/65690/nz-dairy-statistics-2015-16.pdf

                • Gristle

                  The white gold bonanza is over. Milk prices have hit a sort out equilibrium for the international export market. If the prices do go up then production from non-NZ sources can expand at least as easily as NZ production.

                  Fonterra has specialised in a race to the bottom as the company is structured to make more profit as the farm gate price drops.

                  Selling water overseas, instead of putting it through a cow and turning it into milk will, in time, exceed the revenue that can be generated from milk. (Don’t focus on getting barriers removed for milk, make sure you can export water.)

                  Most people don’t realise how much water a dairy farm uses.
                  A. 40,000 – 70,000 litres per milk – this happens twice a day.
                  B. 50 to 100 litres of water per day per cow – that’s another 30,000 to 100,000 litres per day.
                  C. Irrigation – say 1,200m3 per hectare per month. So on a 150h of irrigated farm that would be 6 million litres per day.

                  So far, this is the water consumption of a town of about 10,000 people.

                  Even if you charged farmers 1/100 of a cent per litre of water they use, then the majority of dairy farms would go broke. This indicates how dependent dairy is on exploiting the commons for free. And as is often the case if it’s free then it’s not valued and not looked after.

                  Change is coming.

                • Sacha

                  ‘Eased’ is a great choice of wording – much like media financial market reports where fortunes surge, soar, or soften – but never fall.

    • KJT 17.2

      And yet more totally useless obfuscation from Mr “have a bob each way” George.

    • weka 17.3

      “A big question is whether ‘the right thing’ can be done with current levels of agricultural intensification or not. If not there could be bigger costs than the direct costs of cleaning up and fencing waterways.”

      I’m with RG on this, Lordy to that question. If it’s genuine, then no, we can’t keep on with intensification if we want clean waterways (and by clean I mean ecologically sound). Cleaning up and fencing are mitigations. Necessary ones, but throwing down sawdust each time you spill oil eventually leads to a disaster no matter how good it looks at the time.

      In other words, there is nothing remotely sustainable about what we are doing and we will have to destock. And yes, there are bigger costs. However I don’t think anyone is saying get rid of dairy farms and let the farm workers and local economies rot. I think you will find that most people, including parties with actual environmental policies, believe that people should be taken care of too.

      • Sacha 17.3.1

        Nitrate cycles take so many decades that whatever we do has to be a long-term response. I similarly have confidence that people who are concerned about environments are also concerned about people. Always been my experience.

      • Robert Guyton 17.3.2

        That’s right, weka.

  17. millsy 18

    If farmers found keeping our waterways clean too expensive, perhaps they should you know, spend less money on smokes and alcohol 🙂

  18. It is an important point to note that this destruction of our waterways, the polluting by the dairy shit, the cutting down of anything around the waterway, the draining of wetlands – has all happened within our lifetime. Think about that. This has all happened within our lifetime. WE used to swim in the rivers and drink the water. WE used to fish and camp by the streams.

    WE are the ones to change this. WE can stop it. WE can and it starts with each of us remembering what it used to be like – not that bloody long ago.

    WE must DEMAND our rivers and waterways to be clean. This is a life or death situation. There is no second chances – it is time for action NOW!!!

    • That’s true, Marty – it’s within recall – if we let this slip, we are all screwed.

    • Sacha 19.2

      Yes, despite our PM’s obfuscation about it being a century in the making this problem has only taken a few decades at most to become obvious enough to demand action.

      • weka 19.2.1

        I’m starting to think that the people who don’t actually swim in the rivers shouldn’t get to have a say. I’m sure BE’s one of those that don’t. I wonder if the upper Oreti near BE’s home turf is still relatively clear of dairy.

  19. Jenny Kirk 20

    ActionStation and Choose Clean Water are two organisations now gearing up to make a public noise about this matter. Anyone can help them by emailing Laura at team@actionstation.org.nz>

  20. Andrea 21

    The Green statements look absolutely Fabulous!!! – on paper, as usual.

    And, as usual – they glide by the basics about WHO will be out there, literally risking life and limb, to monitor, advise, guide, resource and a whole bunch of other ‘boots on the ground’ stuff year after weary year.

    Not just the technicians and scientists – the field people who will need training in more than simply monitoring and measuring. The suppliers of plant material for riparian plantings. The abbatoirs for turning innocent creatures into dog tucker.

    And while everyone is screeching about Evil Dairy – please also call by at the processing plants for pulp, chickens, piggeries, intensive feedlots, recyclers, urban enterprises and other known polluters for a very long time indeed.

    Not to mention the filthy methods of human waste disposal – including dumps, toxic wastes, and the end results of eating – fat bergs, disposable wipes, plastic anythings, and poop. Plus those foaming cleansers that leave your house sparkling clean and your coastlines foaming in response.

    And the banks at the core of the problem. Any takers for dealing with the banks and their lending policies?

    Plus the purveyors of The Dream – you can have it ALL – and pass the costs to the speechless but definitely not helpless environment.

    Instead of ‘be bold’ – how about ‘boldly go where no one has gone before’? And widen the picture before the blind men insist they KNOW what the elephant looks like.

    Remember – we are ALL abusers of the water cycle and ALL very fond of our modern conveniences. (Double entendre intended.)

    • weka 21.1

      “And, as usual – they glide by the basics about WHO will be out there, literally risking life and limb, to monitor, advise, guide, resource and a whole bunch of other ‘boots on the ground’ stuff year after weary year.”

      It was a press release, you’re not going to get that kind of detail. How about you put up some evidence that the Greens glide past the realities. Because my own view is that they have some of the best developed policies in parliament and part of that is attention to detail. Plus they’re experts in understanding the interrelatedness of systems, which is why their policies are better read in conjunction with each other.

      Not sure what your point is tbh and I suspect you didn’t bother reading the post properly (or GP policy). Delahunty did refer to household pollutants.

      You don’t like the bold messaging, but I don’t see you offering an alternative. Lots of gliding criticism, but not a lot of substance. Those in the various environmental movements, including the Greens politically, are largely aware of all the issues you raise. So what’s your point exactly?

      “Remember – we are ALL abusers of the water cycle and ALL very fond of our modern conveniences. (Double entendre intended.)”

      Right, but the point here is that some of us want to do the right thing and some don’t. Where do you fit in that?

  21. Dragonz 22

    I do not think the dairy debate will trouble us much longer re water. As a consumer we will probably soon be able to vote with our wallets and end their exploitive times by buying a valid alternative.
    https://www.thinkwalden.com/in-the-wild/perfect-day-foods-milk-dairy
    Living and working in a dairy ‘rich’ area my concern is what will happen to the workers – the owners still have the resource to exploit in other ways – sharemilkers for example do not.

    Concerning the bigger picture on water, what is so wrong with user pays? If done correctly it prevents the tragedy of the commons occurring by pricing out the commonweal resource as it is exploited.

    • weka 22.1

      My problem with user pays is it treats freshwater as a commodity and basically says that if you have enough money you can mine it.

      “Living and working in a dairy ‘rich’ area my concern is what will happen to the workers – the owners still have the resource to exploit in other ways – sharemilkers for example do not.”

      Another good reason to start transitioning off industrial dairy while we still have time.

      I can tell you this, I will never eat synthetic dairy, and I’m sure I won’t be alone, so there will still be a need for dairy farmers in NZ growing for locals. Even better if they do so regeneratively.

  22. Michael 23

    The Greens have got some good ideas about water but does anyone really believe Labour will ever let them implement them (putting aside the small matter of the two actually getting enough Party Votes to form a government)? Surely, Labour’s friends in the business community will never let such fanciful ideas as having clean water for New Zealanders to swim in, drink from and otherwise enjoy, impinge their managerial preogatives to make as much money as possible, as quickly as possible, in complete disregard of externalities like polluted rivers and lakes?

    • Jenny Kirk 23.1

      Its not just the Greens who have good ideas about water, Michael – but Labour does too.
      It has no intention of not doing something proactive and immediate soon as it becomes govt – to start getting our waterways a lot cleaner – so don’t make up such ridiculous bullshit about Labour’s intentions re fresh waterways.

      ps Your comment is very typical of the lies and speculations I was told about Helen Clark by National Party supporters when she was PM – people trying out on me the potential for incorrect rumours they might float about HC. Looks like the Nats are going to try doing the same with Labour this election campaign.

      • weka 23.1.1

        Whatever Labour’s new water policy ends up being, I don’t think there is any doubt that it will be more conservative than the GP’s, and in that sense constrained by the need to look after business and jobs. Their already stated position is more conservative than the Greens’.

  23. WC1 24

    Once again Nick trys to turns fiction into fact and expects us to believe him.

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    Worried about getting your vaccine? Let me tell you a secret. No-one likes getting a vaccine. People do it because they know they’re better off to. Let me tell you another secret, a weird one: the vaccine doesn’t really “do” anything. Confusing? Let me explain… Vaccines are a face at ...
    SciBlogsBy Grant Jacobs
    5 hours ago
  • Delta puts workers’ power under the spotlight
    by Don Franks Foremost fighting the Delta virus are workers, especially in health, distribution, service and education sectors. Unionised members of these groups are centrally represented by the New Zealand Council of trade unions ( NZCTU). Political journalist Richard Harman recently noted:“Businesses are caught in a legal tangle if they ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    7 hours ago
  • Abstraction and Reality in Economics
    Sometimes high theory loses the human point of the exercise.One of the joys of teaching is you learn from your students. When fifty-odd years ago, I was at the University of Sussex, a student doing our first-year economics course, Jim, came to me, saying he was pulling out because it ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    1 day ago
  • What Happened to the Team?
    Last year, in the early stages of the pandemic, the Prime Minister’s “team of five million” performed well; team discipline was maintained and we all worked well together. This year, however, has been a different story; team discipline has weakened, and many people have on numerous occasions behaved badly and ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 day ago
  • Climate Change: Another legal victory
    Across the world climate change activists have been going to court, seeking to make their governments act to protect future generations. And hot on the heels of victories in the Netherlands and Germany, there's been another one in France: A French court has ordered the government to make up ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 day ago
  • Invasion Of The (Covid) Body Snatchers.
    It's Here! They're Here! We're Here! Help! It’s as if we’re all living through a Covid version of Invasion of the Body Snatchers. What has become of Jacinda? Where have they taken her closest Cabinet colleagues? The people on the stage of the Beehive Theatrette look the same, but they ...
    1 day ago
  • NZ Politics Daily: 15 October 2021
    Today’s NZPD testimonial from Associate Professor Grant Duncan, Massey University, Auckland “The NZ Politics Daily email is very helpful in giving me a quick overview of current events and opinion. It allows me to pick out important or informative columns that I may otherwise have missed. I recommend NZ Politics Daily to anyone ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    1 day ago
  • Missing From The Anti-Covid Action.
    The Invisible Man: Where has the NZ Council of Trade Unions been during the Covid-19 Pandemic? Why hasn’t its current president, Richard Wagstaff (above) become a household name during the pandemic? Up there with Ashley Bloomfield, Michael Baker, Shaun Hendy and Siouxsie Wiles? WHERE HAVE THE UNIONS BEEN during the Covid-19 ...
    1 day ago
  • “Go West, Young Virus”
    The Auckland Coronavirus Outbreak potters along, not helped by the perception that the Government is disturbingly enthusiastic about “managing the virus” or loosening the border. Health Minister Andrew Little said today he envisages 90% vaccination rates (which we don’t have) eventually leading to 5,000 cases in Auckland a week… ...
    2 days ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #41, 2021
    How to fill a glass and thereby drink— from a fire hose So far this year, New Research has published listings for 3,291 papers concerning climate change from one aspect or another. Each edition includes two dozen or so articles describing freshly and directly observed effects of global waming. These ...
    2 days ago
  • Climate Change: UKanians supports cuts
    The Guardian reports a study on emissions reduction policy from the UK, which found that UKanians overwhelmingly support stronger action than their government: The UK public backs a carbon tax on polluting industries, higher levies on flying and grants for heat pumps in order to tackle the climate crisis, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Media Link: “A View from Afar” on PRC-Taiwan tensions.
    In this week’s podcast Selwyn Manning and I discuss the upsurge in tensions between the PRC and Taiwan and what are the backgrounds to and implications of them. You can check the conversation out here. ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 days ago
  • Labour’s 2023 election manifesto
    This morning Health Minister Andrew Little effectively unveiled Labour's 2023 election manifesto: 5,000 cases a week in Auckland alone: Thousands of people will be infected with Covid-19 every week even with vaccination levels at 90 per cent, and hospitals face being overwhelmed once restrictions are eased and borders opened, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Don't Blame James.
    Emissions Impossible! So, don’t be too hard on poor James Shaw. His pathetic little To-Do list is, indeed, totally inadequate to the crisis. But, you know what? He’ll be lucky to get half of the items ticked-off. There’s just too many entrenched interests – not the least of whom are ...
    2 days ago
  • The “Pulpit of Strewth”
    Barry Soper is one half of one of one of those right-wing husband-and-wife duos in which the Herald seems to specialise. In today’s issue, he has a piece that doesn’t quite reach the heights (or depths) of a Hoskings-style anti-government hostility, but which does provide an interesting example of the ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 days ago
  • Gordon Campbell on the epic fails of Kris Faafoi
    Ever since Winston Peters first breathed life into this government in 2018, its own branding has been all about social justice and how we all need to be “kind” to each other. Somehow, Kris Faafoi must have missed the memo. His performance in the immigration portfolio (in particular) has neither ...
    2 days ago
  • NZ Politics Daily: 14 October 2021
    Today’s NZPD testimonial from Mike Treen, Advocate, Unite Union “Please continue your incredible work compiling these news digests. As someone operating in the fields of advocacy for workers and the broader social justice areas it is invaluable to be able to check what is happening in the media relating to the issues I have to deal ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    2 days ago
  • Overconfident Idiots: Why Incompetence Breeds Certainty
    This is a re-post from the Thinking is Power website maintained by Melanie Trecek-King where she regularly writes about many aspects of critical thinking in an effort to provide accessible and engaging critical thinking information to the general public. Please see this overview to find links to other reposts from Thinking is Power. ...
    3 days ago
  • Climate Change: Abandoning ambition
    When Labour was first elected to power in 2017, they promised us "[an] ambitious plan to take real action on climate change". Four years and a lot of foot-dragging later, they've finally released that plan. And its not what was promised. Where to begin? Firstly, they've taken the Climate Change ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Young adults worldwide have blunt message for governments: ‘We don’t trust you.’
    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections by Karin Kirk Elizabeth Marks describes herself as “a psychologist who works on difficult problems.” Her past research aimed at helping people cope with challenging health conditions, apt training, it appears, for taking on climate change issues. A few years ago, she altered ...
    3 days ago
  • Making ‘Second Age’ Hobbits Work: Amazon Series Speculation
    Time for a good old-fashioned fandom furore. The Tolkien fandom hasn’t had a proper one of those since the Great Nudity Scandal of October 2020… so it clearly must be time to pontificate from on-high about a television series we still know vanishingly little about. This time the subject ...
    3 days ago
  • NZ Politics Daily: 13 October 2021
    Today’s NZPD testimonial from Dr Lara Greaves, Political scientist, University of Auckland: “I love the NZ Politics Daily emails as they help me to keep on top of current events. It’s incredibly easy to skim through and follow the links. I really appreciate these as it means that I am exposed to a ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    3 days ago
  • The Data and Statistics Bill and the OIA
    The government introduced a new Data and Statistics Bill today to modernise and replace the 45-year old Statistics Act. Part of the Bill re-enacts the existing confidentiality regime (with one exception), which while a secrecy clause isn't an especially controversial one. Another part is aimed at removing "outdated" (inconvenient) limits ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Graham Adams: The debate over the $55 million media fund erupts again
    RNZ’s Mediawatch and a video clip viewed 42,000 times keep the topic of the Public Interest Journalism Fund fizzing. Graham Adams reports.   A week ago, the NZ Taxpayers’ Union posted a short video clip of the exchange in Parliament between Jacinda Ardern and Judith Collins in which the National ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    4 days ago
  • Multiple sclerosis: the link with earlier infection just got stronger – new study
    Scott Montgomery, UCL For most of the time since the first description of multiple sclerosis (MS) in 1868, the causes of this disabling disease have remained uncertain. Genes have been identified as important, which is why having other family members with MS is associated with a greater risk of developing ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    4 days ago
  • Covid and free speech
    by Don Franks Some commentators have likened the struggle against Covid 19 to the world war experience. To those of us not alive in those times, that comparison can only be academic. What the anti virus battle reminds me of much more is an industrial strike. In my twenties and ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    4 days ago
  • “Angry Blowhards”
    In today’s Herald, their excellent columnist, Simon Wilson, takes to task those “shouty” people whom he further describes as “angry blowhards”. They are those whose prime reaction to the pandemic is anger – an anger they seamlessly (and perhaps unwittingly) transfer from the virus to the government. The basis for ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    4 days ago
  • Looking Forward To 2022.
    Future Tense? Okay, so that’s where we are in 2022. Living in a New Zealand where all the usual rules of politics once again apply. And, guess what? Jacinda’s government, once again, isn’t doing very well – not very well at all.LET’S PLAY A GAME. Let’s pretend we’re half-way through ...
    4 days ago
  • Gordon Campbell on Covid mandates, and the Covid pill
    The cliché about “living with Covid” will not mean life as we’ve known it, Jim. Vaccination is fast becoming a condition of employment, and also a requirement to participate in aspects of social life, such as travel, attending bars, cafes, and concerts etc. These protective measures enjoy a high level ...
    4 days ago
  • NZ Politics Daily: 12 October 2021
    Today’s NZPD testimonial from Prof Alan Bollard, Professor of Practice at the School of Government, Victoria University of Wellington; Chair of the Infrastructure Commission: “NZ Politics Daily” provides a great public service – a quick and unbiased way to check policy announcements and analysis every morning.” Anyone can sign up to NZPD ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    4 days ago
  • Legal Beagle: A submission on the COVID-19 Public Health Response Amendment Bill (No 2)
    I have made a submission on the COVID-19 Public Health Response Amendment Bill (No 2).In preparing it, I looked at the Hansard for the first reading debate, and got name-dropped as someone likely to make a submission. So, of course I did. I focus on a small bit of the ...
    5 days ago
  • Hard News: More tales from the Medicinal Cannabis Scheme
    You may have read last week that two years after the publication of regulations for medicinal cannabis – and three years after the enabling legislation – two local products from a local manufacturer have finally met the minimum quality standards for prescription. You may also be interested to know that ...
    5 days ago
  • Climate Change: Real action requires government
    Over the weekend someone pointed me at a journal article on "The Poverty of Theory: Public Problems, Instrument Choice, and the Climate Emergency". Its a US law journal article, so is a) very long; and b) half footnotes (different disciplines have different norms), but the core idea is that the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Climate Change: Not doing our bit
    Last month the US and EU announced they would push an agreement to cut methane emissions by 30% (from 2020 levels) by 2030 at the upcoming climate change conference in Glasgow. The good news is that New Zealand is looking at joining it. The bad news is that that won't ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Delta’s Week Of Doom.
    Classic Shot: Are the Prime Minister’s formidable communication skills equal to the task of getting her government’s anti-Covid campaign back on track?IF JACINDA ARDERN thought last week was bad, the week ahead promises to be even worse. Sixty community cases of Covid-19, one of the highest daily totals so far ...
    5 days ago
  • Urgent measures needed to allow the safe re-opening of Auckland schools
    Dr Rachel Webb, Dr Jin Russell, Dr Pip Anderson, Dr Emma Best, Dr Alison Leversha and Dr Subha Rajanaidu* In this blog we describe the range of urgent measures that are needed to facilitate a safe return to schools in Auckland and other regions of the country where there is ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    5 days ago
  • Children live online more than ever – we need better definitions of ‘good’ and ‘bad’ scree...
    Kathryn MacCallum, University of Canterbury and Cheryl Brown, University of Canterbury   The pandemic has fundamentally altered every part of our lives, not least the time we spend on digital devices. For young people in particular, the blurred line between recreational and educational screen time presents new challenges we are ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    5 days ago
  • Putting Aotearoa on the map: New Zealand has changed its name before, why not again?
    Claire Breen, University of Waikato; Alexander Gillespie, University of Waikato; Robert Joseph, University of Waikato, and Valmaine Toki, University of Waikato   Our names are a critical part of our identity. They are a personal and social anchor tying us to our families, our culture, our history and place in ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    5 days ago
  • Speaker: Yes, of course festival organisers will follow the law on vaccination
    On Tuesday 5 October the New Zealand Government announced that proof of COVID-19 vaccination would be a requirement to attend large events this summer.It took a few days for event owners to absorb the information and understand the implications. By the end of the working week, most of the big ...
    5 days ago
  • NZ Politics Daily: 11 October 2021
    Today’s NZPD testimonial from Jim Hubbard, Cartoonist “NZ Politics daily is a go to for cartoonists, or should be.  Political reporting enmasse like this gives cartoonists and political junkies a smorgasbord to get their teeth into. Essential and I daresay vital reading for those who care about the future of NZ.” Anyone can sign ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    5 days ago
  • 2021 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #41
    Listing of articles linked to on the Skeptical Science Facebook Page during the past week: Sun, October 3, 2021 through Sat, October 9, 2021 The following articles sparked above average interest during the week: VFX Artist Reveals how Many Solar Panels are Needed to Power the ENTIRE World, Will you fall ...
    6 days ago
  • The Night of Parmenides: accepted
    A bit of good news on the writing front. My 3900-word short story, The Night of Parmenides, has been accepted by SpecFicNZ for their upcoming Aftermath anthology, to be published in early 2022. This is my first published short story to be explicitly set in my home-town of ...
    6 days ago
  • The Virus, the Politician, and the gang member
    . . . . . References Newshub Nation: Gang leader Harry Tam denies Winston Peters’ claims he helped infected woman breach COVID boundary, sparking Northland lockdown Te Ao News: ‘Apologise!’ Mob leader slams Peters’ Covid, Northland allegations Stuff media: Covid-19 – Search for contact of Northland case ‘extraordinarily frustrating’ CNBC: ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    6 days ago
  • Rapid kits, responses, and openings: watch motivations, or catch something worse with Covid…
    Last week was probably a high point for many armchair “experts”, fresh from their high after some deep inhaling of the various musings and fumings, of an actually very smug, and very insualted John “Things all work for me…” Key, former Prime Minister and FOREX trader, had blitzed the ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    7 days ago
  • Bollocks
    It would appear we have an unwelcome presence in town.Positive wastewater results had been detected in Hamilton and Palmerston North on October 6 and 7. There are 26 cases in hospital, seven of these are in ICU or high dependency units (HDU).One of the people in hospital is in Palmerston ...
    1 week ago
  • World-leading?
    So, the Herald has found someone, as we can see from today’s issue, who is able to explain why we should not claim to have been “world-leading” in our response to the covid epidemic. It seems that we have been kidding ourselves when we celebrated our low total number of ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • Why Is Labour So Frightened Of “Mr Stick”?
    Force Multiplier: Why are Ardern and her ministers so loathe to put a bit of stick about? The “emergency” legislation eventually enacted to authorise the measures needed to combat the Covid-19 pandemic failed to confer upon the New Zealand Government the unequivocal authority that subsequent events showed to be so ...
    1 week ago
  • The Need for an Updated Strategic Approach to Covid-19 Control in Aotearoa NZ
    Prof Nick Wilson, Dr Jennifer Summers, Prof Michael Baker* The NZ Government appears to have drifted into an unclear strategic approach to Covid-19 control. In this blog we outline one potential way forward: a regional strategic approach that considers “regional suppression” and “regional elimination”. To maximise the success of this ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    1 week ago
  • Mairon: The Actual Source for the Blasted Name
    Long-time Tolkien geeks – or those bemused enough to run across a certain internet phenomenon – might know that ‘Sauron’ is not actually the real name of the Lord of the Ring. ‘Sauron’ is just an abusive Elvish nickname, meaning ‘the Abhorred.’ Sauron’s actual name, at least originally, ...
    1 week ago
  • Forced Re-entry
    The elimination of Covid strategy is not so much defeated but changing circumstances means that policy has to evolve. Our elimination stance was never sustainable or at least it would not be until the rest of the world also eliminated Covid-19. Elimination of the virus was a strategy we adopted ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    1 week ago
  • Repeal this unjust law
    Yesterday the Supreme Court ruled on National's unjust "three strikes" law, and found that the sentence it required was (in the case in question) so disproportionate as to "shock the conscience" and violate the Bill of Rights Act ban on disproportionately severe treatment or punishment: The Supreme Court has ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Preparing for the flood
    The Christchurch City Council has published new "coastal hazards" data, indicating which places are under threat from sea-level rise. And its not good news: Parts of Christchurch and Banks Peninsula are likely to become unhabitable [sic] as the city council figures out how to adapt to sea level ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The Virus, Not The Government
    I wonder if Mike Hosking ever reads the paper in which he appears so regularly? If he does, he might have noticed a report in today’s Herald about the problem that could face churches in Auckland if a vaccine passport becomes mandatory for those wishing to attend church services. The ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • NZ Politics Daily: 8 October 2021
    Today’s NZPD testimonial from Bill Ralston, Media consultant and columnist: “NZ Politics Daily provides an invaluable service for journalists, politicians, businesspeople, decision makers and the public at large by providing an easily accessible, exhaustive, link to every significant political story in the country’s media that day. It’s a gem of a service ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    1 week ago
  • Open letter to Michael Barnett, Julie White, et al
    . . Congratulations,  Mr Barnett, Ms White, and your business colleagues. It appears that we will end up having to “live” (ie, get sick, end up in hospital, perhaps in ICU, intubated on ventilators, and possibly dying as our lungs fail) with covid19. But at least businesses will open up. ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • Introducing Mr Stick.
    MR STICK: You media types think the people of this country have changed, but you’re wrong. We’re the same tough bastards we’ve always been. Put a bit of stick about – and listen to us cheer!JOSEPHINE MUCH-ADOO: Kia ora, everyone, and welcome to “Introducing”. Today we are very pleased to ...
    1 week ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #40, 2021
    "Old" research There's little point in trying to best this excellent article describing the 2021 Nobel Prize in Physics by Ars Technica authors Jennifer Ouelette and John Timmer, each having a gift for concisely on-target, accessible science journalism. Here at New Research we'll punt and quote the The Royal Swedish Academy of ...
    1 week ago
  • Standing on one leg is a sign of good health – and practising is good for you too
    Dawn Skelton, Glasgow Caledonian University Research shows that people’s ability to stand on one leg is an indicator of health and that getting better at standing on one leg can add to fitness and potentially lifespan. Being able to stand on one leg is linked to increased levels of physical ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: More dishonesty over the CCR
    Last month the Emissions Trading Scheme turned into a farce, when the government flooded the market with credits in a failed and wasteful attempt to Keep Carbon Prices Low. When I asked about the background of this policy Climate Change Minister James Shaw sent me one of the most egregious ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Schrödinger’s Wraith: The Status of the Witch-King of Angmar, 15th-25th March, T.A. 3019.
    My recent re-read of The Lord of the Rings reminded me of one of the vaguer head-scratchers in Tolkien. The status of the Witch-King of Angmar between his death at the Battle of Pelennor Fields and the Destruction of the One Ring ten days later… was he, in the ...
    1 week ago
  • How rainbow colour maps can distort data and be misleading
    Philip Heron, University of Toronto; Fabio Crameri, University of Oslo, and Grace Shephard, University of Oslo   The choice of colour to represent information in scientific images is a fundamental part of communicating findings. However, a number of colour palettes that are widely used to display critical scientific results are ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • Gordon Campbell on Korea’s march to global cultural domination, plus a K-pop playlist
    So far, South Korea’s culture industries seem to be pandemic proof. They’re also winning huge global audiences, and not merely large domestic ones. In recent years, South Korea’s TV series (Squid Game, Descendants of The Sun) and movies ( Parasite, Oldboy, The Handmaiden) have become global hits. However, it has ...
    1 week ago
  • In a lockdown, where does work end and parenting begin? Welcome to the brave new world of ‘zigzag...
    Candice Harris, Auckland University of Technology and Jarrod Haar, Auckland University of Technology   All parents work. The difference lies in the breakdown between their paid and unpaid workloads. That equation is influenced by many things, including education, qualifications, age, ethnicity, financial status, number and age of dependants, gendered and ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • Using Rapid Antigen Tests to Improve COVID-19 Control in Aotearoa NZ
    Figure 1: Rapid Antigen Test kit given out freely from the NHS in the UK Dr Jennifer Summers, Assoc Prof James Ussher, Assoc Prof Nikki Moreland, Dr Leah Grout, Prof Nick Wilson, Prof Michael Baker* Most COVID-19 testing aims to identify infected people. To date, Aotearoa NZ has relied almost ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    1 week ago
  • NZ Politics Daily: 7 October 2021
    Today’s NZPD testimonial from Dr Liz Gordon, Former MP, researcher and blogger I just hate NZ Politics Daily. I get settled in to do a good day’s work and ZAP, it arrives in my inbox like a little shiny gift.  I try to ignore it but my cursor creeps inexorably towards the ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    1 week ago
  • Bryce Edwards: Political Roundup – Will electoral and political finance law reform succeed this ti...
    It’s welcome news that the Government has announced this week that they intend to improve how elections work in this country, including fixing the political finance rules. Justice Minister Kris Faafoi has announced that major reforms will be investigated in the areas of political donation rules, promising changes that will ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    1 week ago
  • Will Jacinda Stand? Or, Has She Already Fallen?
    Free Falling? New Zealanders needed to hear Jacinda take a firm line on vaccination, issuing stern warnings to those who declared their intention to refuse. Kiwis just weren’t in the mood to let lockdown evaders and anti-vaxxers free ride on their good citizenship. Google’s IT wizards confirmed that Kiwis were, overwhelmingly, ...
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: The CCR was a huge waste of money II
    Last month, in the wake of the September carbon auction, I talked about how the government's policy of flooding the market with a "cost containment reserve" of an extra 7 million tons of pollution in an effort to keep carbon costs low was a huge waste of money. Ministry for ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Celebrating Women in Space
    Beautiful, Inspiring, Mysterious!  How do you describe space?  What do you think when you look up at the stars?  The United Nations General Assembly certainly knew how beautiful, inspiring, mysterious, and important space is when they designated a week to be World Space Week.  That’s this week, and the theme for this year is ...
    SciBlogsBy John Pickering
    1 week ago
  • COVID Clusterfuck
    Well it has been fun living in the safest country in the world for a year and a half, but a combination of cynical politics from the right, and dithering incompetence from the left, and selfish sociopathy or ignorance on the part of the population , means New Zealand is ...
    1 week ago
  • Unsurprising
    Former rugby league star Manu Vatuvei has admitted importing methamphetamine. The Warriors icon was charged in December 2019 with possessing methamphetamine for supply and importing the Class A drug. He previously denied the charges and earlier this year said he would “fight for his innocence” after he outed himself as the sportsman ...
    1 week ago
  • Bond, Wokeness and Representations in Cinema
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh The latest James Bond film has come out.  It is apparently to be Daniel Craig’s last incarnation as the Spy Who Loved Me, or raped me as some have pointed out.  There has been much discussion about how woke the new James Bond is and how ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • The Virus, the Bubble, and the Trap
    . . . . . References National Party: Open the Trans Tasman Bubble Now (archived) Twitter: National Party – Sign the Trans Tasman bubble petition Twitter: Judith Collins – Sign the Trans Tasman bubble petition RNZ: Tourism New Zealand forecasting billion-dollar economy boost if trans-Tasman bubble opens Stuff media: Crack ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Not keeping their promises
    One of the big steps forward in climate change policy was when cabinet started demanding climate change assessments of policy, so when they built that road or changed energy or farm policy, they'd know what they were doing and be able to make an informed decision (and if not, one ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A useful ruling
    As readers may be aware, I (and everyone else) have been having a growing problem with OIA extensions for "consultations". They're being used by agencies to juke the stats, scam extra time, and cover up administrative failure. So I've taken up complaining about them. And last night, I got a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago

  • New Zealand Ambassador to France announced
    Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta today announced the appointment of Caroline Bilkey as New Zealand’s next Ambassador to France and the OECD. “Aotearoa New Zealand and France have a shared history, and enjoy a strong, collaborative partnership. This includes a strong trade and economic relationship, a shared commitment to support ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Govt welcomes nurses’ pay settlement
    The Government is welcoming news that a new employment agreement for nurses working in public hospitals has been settled. “I am very pleased that the hard work of the Nurses Organisation and District Health Boards has led to a settlement that both can support,” Health Minister Andrew Little said today. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Judge of the High Court appointed
    Māori Land Court Judge Layne Harvey has been appointed a Judge of the High Court, Attorney‑General David Parker announced today. Justice Harvey graduated with an LLB from the University of Auckland in 1992 and commenced employment as a law clerk with Simpson Grierson in Auckland that same year. In 1997 ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Kiwis to have their say on plan to reduce waste
    New Zealanders are invited to have their say on proposals for a new waste strategy and options for new waste legislation. “Reducing waste is one of the issues all New Zealanders – especially younger Kiwis - care deeply about,” Environment Minister David Parker said today “New Zealand is one of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Next steps in action plan for indigenous rights kicks off
    Minister for Māori Development Willie Jackson has today meet with more than 30 national Māori organisations in an online hui, kicking off the process to develop a plan for New Zealand to implement the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (the Declaration). The previous National Government signed ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Iwi-led housing solutions build homes for the future
    Whai Kāinga, Whai Oranga will open on 20 October, to receive applications for investment through Te Tūāpapa Kura Kāinga – Ministry of Housing and Urban Development and Te Puni Kōkiri The $730m fund combines investment from Budget 2021 ($380m) and the Māori Infrastructure Fund ($350m) - the largest investment seen ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • E whakarite ana Te Kāwanatanga i ngā tūāpapa mō twhakamaumahara ki Te Petihana Reo Māori ka t...
    I te rā nei, i pānuihia e te Minita mō Manatū Taonga, ko Carmel Sepuloni, rāua ko te Minita Whanaketanga Māori, ko Willie Jackson, ā tērā tau, ka whakanuia rawatia te 50 o ngā tau mai i te whakatakotoranga o te petihana mō te Reo Māori me te huanga mai ...
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