It’s time to embrace nanny state

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1. mickysavage 1

   19 January 2018 at 1:51 pm

   Thanks Simon well said. Particularly apt given today’s big announcement!
2. Ed 2

   19 January 2018 at 2:03 pm

   Socialist and proud of it.

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIC8JJjG_sI
3. Bill 3

   19 January 2018 at 2:15 pm

   Nannies come in pairs though, right?

   Now sure, I’d prefer if both nannies were departed, and we were up and about on our own two collective feet.

   But they aren’t, and we’re not.

   So the question is about which one we’d rather was enabled to be up and about.

   One looks to kick us out, naked and vulnerable before various unstable and rapacious market forces, to sweep in to gather those poor wee poppets of the market up into her safe arms when they fall over.

   The other looks to sit in that there rocking chair with a big bloody shot gun firing warning shots over the head of those same market forces lest they be getting any odd ideas into their heads, while providing us with a reasonable degree of shelter and well being.

   Given I have no choice but to make a choice, I know which of the two I’d rather embrace.

   edit – just realised most people might immediately think of nanny as in au pair rather than as in grandmother. So just to clear that up. My comment is assuming nanny as in grandmother
4. Ad 4

   19 January 2018 at 2:17 pm

   Lovely, but now unrecoverable as a term.

   It will take more than one PM’s baby to turn the global tide even against the term “welfare”.

   Try a new term.
5. mac1 5

   19 January 2018 at 2:20 pm

   I have said for the three years that I have enjoyed superannuation that ‘I have been sucking on the teat of Nanny State.”

   As a Quaker i know the power of taking over a pejorative word (from grumpy magistrate Gervase Bennet in this case) and claiming it as a positive name.

   We should not tremble before our opponents but be proud of our welfare system. “Baah” to them, I say. Claim the name with pride, remembering the achievements of our nanny state.
   • Ad 5.1

     19 January 2018 at 9:30 pm

     Quaker!
     awesomeness!
     You and St Don the McGlashan!
6. Carolyn_Nth 6

   19 January 2018 at 2:54 pm

   Before the term “queer” was reclaimed, the movement reclaimed the word “gay” from one of its original and derogatory meanings.

   Originally “gay” meant “carefree”, “happy” or “bright and showy”.
   It was applied (usually negatively) to homosexual men in the 19th and early twentieth century.

   Later in the 20th century, as a homosexual movement developed, the word “gay” was reclaimed to apply to homosexuality, capitalising on its originally positive meaning.

   “Nanny” has a much more problematic history and connotations. Initially it meant “adult woman other than a mother” – the non mother who looked after children was called a nurse. Nannie became more a term associated with European empires and colonial societies. Thatcher started using the term “nanny state”.

   Basically, I’d go for a different term for a state that looks after all its people – social security state. “Welfare state” has some uses. Blairites tried replacing it or the nanny state connotations with the “enabling state” – that is quite strongly linked with soft neoliberalism.

   I would like to reclaim “socialism”.
   • Bill 6.1

     19 January 2018 at 3:31 pm

     I would like to reclaim “socialism”.

     Rehabilitating the term would be nice…as long as it wasn’t appropriated by statists. Let them be content with “social democracy” as a counter to “liberal”, so that the term “socialist” retained its rightful position as referring to possible worlds beyond both states and markets.
7. UncookedSelachimorpha 7

   19 January 2018 at 4:03 pm

   The idea that we work together to build a state that looks after its citizens is a great one. What else is government for, if not for that??
   • Anon 7.1

     19 January 2018 at 7:01 pm

     Voluntary communities can look after each other, state regulation can only control. The whole point of politics is people aren’t homogeneous, so why assume the exact same bureaucracy and regulation will work for everyone? And that’s ignoring that for the most part state help – in any of it’s various forms – is mostly only there on paper, not in practice.
8. Incognito 8

   19 January 2018 at 4:12 pm

   The previous government’s so-called deregulation was guided by neoliberal ideology and rather intricate & complex yet typical of all such governments. The core concept is to regulate and fence off so that free market forces have free reign and flow largely unencumbered by regulation. It is channelling rather but with appropriate controls in place. This is the free market paradox: it relies on involvement of and regulation by a strong centralised government. To optimise productivity for maximum short- & medium-term profit the (economic) system needs controls and safety mechanisms as (market) self-regulation and auto-feedback are inefficient crude mechanisms with sometimes considerable lag times that compound inefficiency and thus sub-optimal productivity. Only (a) central government can provide the fine-tuning mechanisms in a democratic setting.

   Rather than opting for “The Nanny State” I’d choose “The Mutual State”; it doesn’t have the ‘baggage’ of the “nanny” label and also puts more emphasis on the reciprocal (symbiotic, if you like) relationship between citizen and state – what can you do for the state and what can the state do for you.
   • NZJester 8.1

     19 January 2018 at 5:58 pm

     They never put in a free market, the National Government put in a one-sided market that was far from free as they put in rules that heavily favored the employers and crippled the workers from being able to claim their fair share of the profits made.
     A free market on paper is a great system and would work well if all sides had equal power and everyone played fair. Unfortunately, in the real world, the free market system fails, again and again, to work without regulation due to the overriding greed of a few who find it very easy without regulation to manipulate the market to give themselves an ever-increasing share of the pie.
     The right love to call it Nanny State regulation to belittle it, but if they just played fair Nanny would not have to get involved in the argument and tell them to share the pie fairly with the others!
9. Pat 9

   19 January 2018 at 5:24 pm

   ‘Nanny State’ or ‘cradle to grave’?

   Reclaiming?…Its all been done before.

   http://sites.tepapa.govt.nz/sliceofheaven/web/html/socialwelfare.html
10. tc 10

    19 January 2018 at 6:08 pm

    Scandinavia shows the model can work even within an overall neoliberal global construct.
11. David Mac 11

    19 January 2018 at 6:36 pm

    I prefer to see the situation as a playing field.

    The people we asked to do the job mark out the lines on our playing field. Then we ask them to take up the whistle and referee our game using the rulebook we have collectively decided on.

    All players agree that we need a system to support those that for any reason can’t join us on the field.

    The person that feels under Nanny’s thumb need only stop creating reasons for the ref to blow the whistle. Stop striking their child and burning Edison bulbs of their own accord.

    Nanny and personal responsibility sharing a harmonious bed.
12. Thinkerr 12

    21 January 2018 at 8:19 am

    The Gay and Queer terms were made acceptable during a time when the country/ world was in a particular mood towards civil liberties.

    If the left tried to do the same with Nanny State, there is a right wing army mobilised to attack it and a general populace not ready to embrace it.

    Lets NOT do this (sorry Jacinda)
13. tracey 13

    21 January 2018 at 12:52 pm

    Pretty sure gay now means bad amongst you ger people
    • Incognito 13.1

      21 January 2018 at 12:56 pm

      I have noticed more & more people hitting the space bar instead of the button for the letter “n” 😉
      • Carolyn_Nth 13.1.1

        21 January 2018 at 1:21 pm

        Ha! I was wondering who the ger people were…? I think they may be people I don’t like.

        it’s not just about changing words, it’s about changing concepts and perceptions – that’s a way bigger project.
      • tracey 13.1.2

        21 January 2018 at 2:38 pm

        It does seem to have slipped into all my writing… used to be i just put tot he instead of to the
14. Philg 14

    24 January 2018 at 11:27 am

    I would prefer the terms ‘Public Good’ to be reclaimed along with ‘Public Service ‘ or ‘ For the good of ALL people’.
15. SPC 15

    24 January 2018 at 11:33 am

    Sure, a nanny would enable better support for the PM.

    A former Plunkett nurse initially, then later a student who covers the night shift (sleeping when they can).

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