Jacinda Arden’s request of New Zealanders

Written By: - Date published: 10:51 am, March 16th, 2020 - 49 comments
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New Zealand now has its seventh case of covid (Queenstown). The government is set to announce an economic package in response to corona virus on Tuesday. Labour released this video yesterday:

Transcript:

  1. Wash your hands
  2. If you don’t need to travel overseas, then don’t. Enjoy your own backyard for a time
  3. Wash your hands
  4. If you’re sick, stay home
  5. If you sneeze, do it into your elbow
  6. Wash your hands
  7. Stop handshakes, hugs and hongi. I know this is counter to who we are as a nation but the best thing we can do right now to show love and affection to one another is to switch to the East Coast wave. If you don’t know what that is, find an East Coaster
  8. Please be mindful of the older citizens in your life. Check in on them, but if you are sick, keep your distance.
  9. Finally, we are a tough, resilient people. We have been here before. But our journey will depend on how we work together. We are taking every measure we need as a government and every step we can as a government and we’re taking them early. We ask that you do that too. We all have a role to play, look out for your neighbour, look out for your family, look out for your friends… look after your family, look after your older ones, we are all in this together.

For those that are still learning what is happening, this is a serious pandemic.  The main push in New Zealand is to prevent spread of the virus and to slow down the impact on the health system.

Microbiologist Souxsie Wiles’ series of explainers at The Spinoff.

 

49 comments on “Jacinda Arden’s request of New Zealanders ”

  1. bill 1

    When China shut down cities, NZ should have shut its borders. But no. Cruise ships continued to cruise and planes continued to land. I guess the priority was "the economy"?

    So NZ didn't isolate, and probably like others, I now have people in my life who I'd pick as being in the "fatality" camp should they get infected.

    So what now?

    Well. How about adopting the proposal of America's most maligned politician? How about a $1000 per month payment to every single person so that (for example) people living on NZ's inadequate entitlements can stock up with food and other essentials in preparation for periods of self imposed isolation?

    And how about putting a moratorium on any and all evictions and/or foreclosures and so on (as proposed by Sanders)?

    Or is that too much of a focus being given to the human economy when we all know everything stands or falls on the health of the financial economy?

    edit. Washing hands doesn’t do much to prevent airborne infections. Just saying. But sure – people want to feel as though they are doing something useful and I guess that has a psychological impact.

    • Sacha 1.1

      Washing hands doesn’t do much to prevent airborne infections. Just saying. But sure – people want to feel as though they are doing something useful and I guess that has a psychological impact.

      This is a droplet infection so washing hands is very important to prevent spread.

      Please do not spread falsehoods about a topic you clearly do not know much about. It can be dangerous, not merely annoying.

      • Tony Veitch (not etc.) 1.1.1

        On the contrary, it is both droplet and airborne. Bill is right, washing hands is only so effective, but not totally.

        Most effective is everyone, especially sick people, wearing masks (and washing hands!)

        • Sacha 1.1.1.1

          Sheesh. The range of transmission in air is strictly limited – hence the success of ‘social distancing’ measures. The only effective masks are not the ones available to the public.

        • weka 1.1.1.2

          the point of public health measures isn't to control the virus absolutely but to slow down transmission so that the health system can help people that get seriously ill.

          The protocols that are being published by health authorities are science and researched based ie they studied coronavirus transmission in China and now other countries and figured out the best ways to slow transmission collectively as well as protect some individuals.

          Masks are useful for people who are sick, to limit outward movement of the virus. They not so useful for protecting oneself.

          Airborne CV has a limited lifespan and distance. It's not like it's going to be freely floating around in the air all the time over distances.

          https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-can-spread-as-an-aerosol.html

          As Sacha says, it's dangerous to get the protocols wrong and spread falsehoods.

          • Rosemary McDonald 1.1.1.2.1

            Perhaps we wash the hands and wear the mask if going into situations where there could conceivably be a concentration of virus in the air?

            Mask wearing whilst away from home is practically mandatory in some Asian countries at the moment because of population density and prevalence of disease. Here, at the very least, masks should be donned while visiting hospitals and clinics, schools and the like…just in case?

            The hand hygiene thing can't be overemphasized though.

            I am amazed at how much crap Peter picks up on his hands while getting around places like the supermarket….now I'm having to wash them more often.

            • weka 1.1.1.2.1.1

              My understanding is that outside of hospitals etc, wearing a mask is useful if you are the one who has covid, to lessen droplets going out into the environment that other people share with you. The other people wearing the mask is way less effective in terms of self-protection. There are some nuances there, depending on the mask tech, but most of the public can't buy the high tech masks now.

              I think the distance/time thing is crucial. 2 metres and for less then 15 mins. I'd be more stringent about that for people that have pre-existing conditions and the elderly. I'm thinking about this in terms of things like ride sharing and sitting in a car with someone. Or waiting in line in the bank.

              Being on a bus/train, I don't know that wearing a mask does much to protect oneself from infection.

              • Herodotus

                Next time you are out in public, see what happens when a "mask" wearer sneezers, they remove the mask, so that they can deal with the consequence of sneezing i.e tissue over face, use of "elbow". Point is no one (knowing they are going to sneeze) sneezes wearing a mask !!!

        • woodart 1.1.1.3

          so I can go into my bank wearing a mask..cool!

      • mauī 1.1.2

        "This is a droplet infection so.."

        Can you please not spread falsehoods about this virus? There is evidence that the virus can/could be transmitted through the air. (https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/487110-tests-indicate-coronavirus-can-survive-in-the-air)

        Since this virus ceased to exist just a couple of months ago and we've barely got much of an understanding of how it goes about its business, wouldn't the wise move be to exercise extreme caution.

    • Molly 1.2

      Hi Bill,

      Just read your comment after reading the 36th Covid update on MedCram. (- can't remember who posted it here, but thanks for that.)

      In it, they refer to a study awaiting peer review on the transmission of the virus, (starts at 4.14. )

      While airborne rates are high, and the virus stays active for hours, the virus can remain active for days on stainless steel surfaces and polypropelene. Making the requirement for those supporting those in isolation to consider the cleanliness of surfaces when dropping off supplies or providing services.

      Washing hands is very important in terms of protecting yourself, and decreasing the likelihood of contamination, when touching communal surfaces. The handles of shopping trolleys, ATM or EFTPOS machines petrol pumps etc.

      (I do agree that some thought needs to be focused on people, as people. Rather than business units. It would be good to see some clear decisions made in this regard.)

      • bill 1.2.1

        In other words, if I walk through a space a few hours after it's been dosed with coronavirus aerosol (someone coughed, breathed, sneezed) and I'm wearing rubber gloves and I don't touch a damned thing, and I wash my hands anyway…it's just my breathing in and out that may lead to me becoming infected – which is in line with what I said about hand washing not doing much in relation to airborne infection.

        Infection from contact with surfaces is another matter.

        • Incognito 1.2.1.1

          “Based on what we know about other respiratory viruses, we don’t think that SARS-CoV-2 [COVID-19] gets aerosolized in everyday settings,” Morris said. “Rather, aerosolization, if it happens at all for SARS-CoV-2, is likely to happen in health care settings,” according to recent studies, Morris said.

          https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-can-spread-as-an-aerosol.html

          • Sacha 1.2.1.1.1

            Thank you again.

            Unless you are working in a clinic, infection comes from being close to people directly breathing or coughing on you, or from touching surfaces they have done that on.

            Interact at a safe distance. Wash your hands. Ignore fearmongers.

          • bill 1.2.1.1.2

            "Based on what we know about other respiratory viruses" versus "a study awaiting peer review on the transmission of the virus".

            And from your link "Morris versus Gordon".

            She and other experts already assumed that aerosol transmission of SARS-CoV-2 "may be a concern, because we had seen that with SARS," Gordon said. While the new study supports their speculations, she said that scientists should be "cautious" about how they interpret the results.

            dingding. (Bikini clad lass in respiratory mask steps through the ropes and does yesteryear's obligatory circuit of the ring)

        • McFlock 1.2.1.2

          well, no, it's about probabilities.

          Sure, you might get covid-19 walking through a space hours later. But for that to happen on anything other than a statistically infintesimal likelihood, entire flights should be testing positive just because one passenger had it when they got on board.

          But getting it from the hand rails or doorknobs in that space hours later and touching unwashed hands to your mucous membranes? That's a non-trivial probability.

          If walking through a space hours after a sneeze was a problem, NZ hospitals would already be swamped.

          • bill 1.2.1.2.1

            ffs. I said "may", and you wrote "no, it's about probabilities". I'm missing something here, right?

            Because apart from that piece of b/s (and something that would seem to assume 100% infection rates or zero infection rate with nothing inbetween), you head off into the weeds of solid surfaces as the source of infection – which I already wrote is where handwashing and whatever in the way of physical barriers come into play 🙄

            You want to talk probabilities? Okay.

            On that there train carriage, you sat on seat number F3. The guy on seat A2 got off at the stop before you got on. They were infectious and you breathed in some portion of their expelled breath on your way to seat F3…

            Or, in the supermarket, you wiped the trolley handles and even walked around with a spray can of Oust – offloading a squirt on each purchase going into your trolley. Guy in isle 4 had a snuffle and a sneeze right before you circled round from isle 5…

            That big modern building where you work that's so modern the air you breathe is recycled and the windows don't open…

            Basically zero chance of getting infected from physical contact in those imagined scenarios. Definitely more than zero chance of getting infected from inhalation though.

            • Sacha 1.2.1.2.1.1

              Bill, you seem upset about this situation and this line of conversation is going nowhere. Is there anything we can discuss that would be more helpful for you?

              • bill

                Dearest Sacha. I'm experiencing close on zero tolerance for McFlock's tired old routine of dragging discussion into weeds of irrelevance. I hope that clears things up for you somewhat.

                Hmm. The bullshit of concern trolling might also be hitting my radar, aye? 😉

                • Sacha

                  I'd like to hear more about what you originally said above at #1:

                  How about a $1000 per month payment to every single person so that (for example) people living on NZ's inadequate entitlements can stock up with food and other essentials in preparation for periods of self imposed isolation?

                  It's a very real fear for many people I've known too, not having the slightest chance to 'get prepared' because there simply is not enough in the kitty. Barely scraping by week after week after week.

                  Others of us may lose jobs without a way to keep up expenses like rent or mortgages or food or bills including the internet or phone that keep us connected.

                  It's scary and confusing and frustrating. Hope this comes to pass:

                  https://twitter.com/kylemacd/status/1239444099947585538

            • McFlock 1.2.1.2.1.2

              You also said hand washing not doing much in relation to airborne infection.

              Which is patently false in the case of the pandemic facing us at the moment: covid-19.

              Because if your scenario was something to rationally worry about in the real world (walking through the same space hours later), then the person on the bus would infect everyone on the bus, you'd have a better than 0.75 chance of getting it in aisle 4, many people in the building would be infected in a single day, everyone on the flight that aussie took over and in the cafe he ate in and many people in the hotel he slept in would become infected. And that's been happening for at least 3 months. Covid-19 would already seriously infect millions of people and have an R0 in the hundreds.

              You know why we don't have that many serious infections? Because your scenarios are hyperbolic scaremongering. Wash your goddamned hands and keep a physical gap. It works.

              • bill

                That doesn't make much sense McFlock. (And I was merely pointing to the efficacy of handwashing when transmission can occur by inhalation – didn't say anything about "worry" or hit anyone up with any "we're all going to die" b/s)

                You appear to be repeating the suggestion of 100% infection rate on the one hand for a given source/vector, and on the other hand, an infection rate of 0 for the same source/vector. (Whatever happened to that notion of probability from your initial foray into this sub-thread?)

                There's a doubling rate of about 6 days, aye? (Some publications say 4).

                Anyway and whatever – high time for the US to lift all sanctions on the likes of Iran and Venezuela, yes? Oh. I forgot. Nicaragua has just been added to the list. So there goes that notion of Congress discovering some humanity and expressing it to any degree.

                • McFlock

                  Not every microbe you encounter will be able to make you its host and infect you. Not every microbe released by someone else will even reach you. If someone coughs in your face, you have a much higher chance of being infected than if they coughed across the room and a diluted air sample wafted a few micro-droplets in your direction.

                  But in this particular thread, a disease that for any realistic measure "may" infect you if you walked through the same space hours later will almost certainly infect you if that person coughed right into your face. A massively greater number of germs right into your eyes, nose, and mouth, and possibly even breathed into your lungs.

                  And yeah, in reference to this outbreak, talking about infection hours after the sick person walked through a space is scaremongering.

                  • bill

                    Try reading what I wrote McFlock.

                    I was obviously drawing the distinction between the fact of airborne infection and washing hands/wearing gloves as a preventative measure in the face of possible infection.

                    And I made the distinction off the back of info provided in the vid link put up by Molly, and because people seemed a tad upset at my original (and I'd say) bog standard and somewhat obvious statement about hand washing as a preventative measure against airborne infection.

                    You seriously think it’s scaremongering to point to handwashing not being much cop against airborne infection? k. Whatever gets you off.

                    • McFlock

                      Did you intend your comment to be relevant to the current pandemic that is the topic of the post?

                    • bill

                      Good grief, but you're being a prick. Read my initial comment and highlight the irrelevance. Then read my reply to Molly, and likewise, highlight the irrelevance.

                      As per usual, the only irrelevant comments I make in regards to a post occur, as this one, in response to your interjections that drag towards the weeds.

                    • McFlock

                      I'm "being a prick" because when people start introducing hollywood disease scenarios into discussions about a real-life pandemic, that just encourages panic which in turn accelerates systemic failures that would otherwise be mitigated or even avoided.

                      And once again, if your scenario were relevant to the current pandemic, the current pandemic would be several orders of magnitude worse than it actually is.

                    • bill

                      Coronavirus can be caught by simply sharing the same breathed air as another. That's not "Hollywood".

                      I have no idea why that simple fact should induce panic in you. (Flu spreads in much the same way). Neither can I grasp how me stating the fact of its airborne character could in any way “accelerate systemic failures”.

                      Actually. If everyone was to go about their social business blissfully unaware there was a chance of infection via airborne particles, then their ideas of “social distancing” wouldn’t cut the mustard in terms of slowing the spread of the disease.

                      That it is airborne simply means the pandemic is exactly as bad as it is. (Obviously)

                    • McFlock

                      At which timecode of that youtube vid did it say that the bounds of lab detectability as reported in a single unreviewed study translated into anything close to "if I walk through a space a few hours after it's been dosed with coronavirus aerosol (someone coughed, breathed, sneezed) […] it's just my breathing in and out that may lead to me becoming infected" as something a normal person should worry about?

                      edit: from incognito’s link in comment 1.2.1.1:

                      “We still don’t know how high a concentration of viable SARS-CoV-2 is needed in practice to infect a human being, though this is something we are looking to model in the future,”

                      That’s the point, right there. I suggest you read the entire link.

                    • bill

                      You're such a fear riddled monkey there McFlock. It's kinda disgusting. I never said anything along the lines of "people should be worried".

                      This entire sub-thread was based on the simple and obvious premise that hand washing has limitations when considering airborne infection. -end-

                    • McFlock

                      If subthread including the "hours later" scenario was an abstraction with no relevance to the current covid-19, why include the sentence:

                      "There's a doubling rate of about 6 days, aye? (Some publications say 4). "

                      Because that clearly implies a specific disease in mind, specifically covid-19, no? So the subthread includes real comments about c19, and abstractions that aren't relevant to covid-19, which is begging for casual readers to confuse your omagerds about "airborne" viruses and actual descriptions of the current conditions as have been reliably demonstrated.

                    • bill

                      List the abstractions that aren't relevant? As an aerosol, the virus remains viable for hours. Therefor it's conceivable to pick it up in an empty room/space. If you think two hours (which is in line with the study Molly linked) is much too long a time, then why not just say so and maybe suggest a more appropriate lapse of time you believe to be more conceivable in terms of picking up infection – instead of wanking on in black and white terms (of seeming denial) for comment after hour after day?

                    • McFlock

                      All the abstractions.

                      Until “We still don’t know how high a concentration of viable SARS-CoV-2 is needed in practice to infect a human being” is resolved, "conceivable" is pointless bullshit. It's "conceivable" that the detectable viral viability is a massive undercount because it maybe blows off polished surfaces with a light breeze and maybe a static discharge. If even one single viable virus does that it's "conceivable" that you could catch the disease days after a single cough in that same space. O. Ma. Gerd. We're all gonna die. I conceived it, so let me tweet that out, put it on FB, make a fucking youtube video. It's conceivable.

                      But then everyone who walked through Wellington airport or Dunedin airport in the last week will get the disease, and that would have happened with the first imported cases, too. Given we only have 12 cases rather than 1,200+, I suspect spending several hours within a few feet of the person at the time of their coughing is a more likely scenario. Because right now we aren't having to treat 20% of every planeload that delivered a sick passenger, and the other passengers on that plane did exactly that.

                      So it's reasonably conceivable that the viral load required to give a probability of transmission that is more in the ballpark of "did you just cough on me? You dickhead" than "if I walk through a space a few hours after it's been dosed with coronavirus aerosol (someone coughed, breathed, sneezed) […] it's just my breathing in and out that may lead to me becoming infected"

                      And insisting that last abstraction is relevant to the current pandemic will just make people buy more bogroll they don't need, because all the extra handwashing will probably really cut our bacterial gastro rates, as well.

                • Descendant Of Smith

                  The point about handwashing is that the virus, while it can be inhaled, is more likely to land on you, your hands or some surface that you then touch. Hand-in-hand with the handwashing is the don't touch your face message – surprisingly harder than it seems for most people. From one medical website.

                  "Respiratory viruses like coronavirus disease (COVID-19) spread when mucus or droplets containing the virus get into your body through your eyes, nose or throat. Most often, this happens through your hands. Hands are also one of the most common ways that the virus spreads from one person to the next.

                  During a global pandemic, one of the cheapest, easiest, and most important ways to prevent the spread of a virus is to wash your hands frequently with soap and water.

                  And soap is the better option.

                  https://twitter.com/PalliThordarson/status/1236549305189597189?s=20

                  • bill

                    You think I don't get the whole contaminated surfaces angle? You read anything I've written suggesting people shouldn't wash hands?

                    More and less likely (surface and airborne infection) is going to come down to the specifics of a situation and (I guess) the total number of people infected.

                    But whatever, I agree that a cheap and effective way of preventing contamination from surfaces is hand and surface washing.

                    I'm still a bit aghast that people took such umbrage over the mention of the obvious limitations around hand washing. I could almost suspect some people thought handwashing and not touching ones own face was tantamount, or close, to complete protection.

                    Anyways…

                    • McFlock

                      It's because a genuinely "airborne" method of transmission (micro-droplets that hand in the air, not larger droplets that fall to surfaces pretty quickly) with air infectiousness "hours" after a single cough, no vaccine (or confirmed treatment), a ten day asymptomatic infectious incubation period, reinfection likelihoods, and a ~3% case mortality rate is the sort of thing that makes anybody even close to knowing what that means shit their pants.

                      This pandemic is bad, but manageable. The above scenario is Mad Max shit.

                    • bill

                      lol And who was that wanking on about a simple observation on the limitations of handwashing being scare mongering who's now throwing talk of 3% mortality rates and reinfections about the show?

                      Seems you really are a riddled fear monkey. 😉

                    • McFlock

                      You see the bit where I made it clear that the scenario wasn't relevant to the current pandemic?

                      That's the bit you didn't include.

        • Stunned Mullet 1.2.1.3

          🙄

  2. Sacha 2

    The importance of adjusting the language used: https://sciblogs.co.nz/psychology-report/2020/03/16/if-your-comms-message-is-suboptimal-change-it/

    1. The Ministry of Health has changed its messaging around self-isolation to Stay at Home.

    2. Physical distancing vs social distancing.

    Let me elaborate a little: We know that social contact is the biggest protective factor in a crisis, and we know how corrosive loneliness and anxiety can be. Physical distancing is appropriate and likely to be helpful in managing risks – 2m apart and contact for no longer than 15 minutes. However, what we need is social cohesion, not distance.

  3. adam 3

    But whatever you do, don't mention the sanctions that the USA has keep in place in the face of this.

    And don't mention the fact that power companies, telecommunications companies and the rest are going to do the same thing to the poor in this country.

  4. Observer Tokoroa 4

    Just to say …

    It is good of Bill to let us know that washing hands thoroughly is silly.

    lord knows what other bits and pieces he doesn't Wash. The one good thing is, it keeps him happy. Keeps himself in the limelight.

    But, do they let him loose on the streets and in the Food Shops where he can handle anything that takes his fancy.

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  • Gut Reactions.

    Trump Writes His Own Story: Would the “mainstream” media even try to reflect the horrified reaction of the MAGA crowd to the pop-pop-pop of the would-be assassin’s rifle, and Trump going down? Could it even grasp the sheer elation of the rally-goers seeing their champion rise up and punch the air, still alive, ...
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  • Dodging Bullets.

    Fight! Fight! Fight! Had the assassin’s bullet found its mark and killed Donald Trump, America’s descent into widespread and murderous violence – possibly spiralling-down into civil war – would have been immediate and quite possibly irreparable. The American Republic, upon whose survival liberty and democracy continue to depend, is certainly not ...
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  • 'Corruption First' Strikes Again

    There comes a point in all our lives when we must stop to say, “Enough is enough. We know what’s happening. We are not as stupid or as ignorant as you believe us to be. And making policies that kill or harm our people is not acceptable, Ministers.”Plausible deniability has ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    3 days ago
  • The Kākā's Chorus for Thursday, July 18

    TL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy today are:The inside stories of KiwiRail’s iRex debacle, Westport’s perma-delayed flood scheme and Christchurch’s post-quake sewer rebuild, which assumed no population growth, show just how deeply sceptical senior officials in Treasury, the Ministry of ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago
  • What's that Jack Black?

    Ah-rah, deeSoo-guh-goo-gee-goo-geeGoo-guh fli-goo gee-gooGuh fli-goo, ga-goo-buh-deeOoh, guh-goo-beeOoh-guh-guh-bee-guh-guh-beeFli-goo gee-gooA-fliguh woo-wa mama Lucifer!I’m about ready to move on, how about you?Not from the shooting, that’s bad and we definitely shouldn’t have that. But the rehabilitation of Donald J Trump? The deification of Saint Donald? As the Great Unifier?Gimme a bucket.https://yellowscene.com/2024/04/07/trump-as-jesus/Just to re-iterate, ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago
  • June 2024: Earth’s 13th-consecutive warmest month on record

    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections by Jeff Masters and Bob Henson June 2024 was Earth’s warmest June since global record-keeping began in 1850 and was the planet’s 13th consecutive warmest month on record, NOAA’s National Centers for Environmental Information, or NCEI, reported July 12. As opposed to being focused in ...
    3 days ago
  • Connecting the dots and filling the gaps in our bike network

    This is a guest post by Shaun Baker on the importance of filling the gaps in our cycling networks. It originally appeared on his blog Multimodal Adventures, and is re-posted here with kind permission. In our towns and cities in Aotearoa New Zealand, there are areas in our cycling networks ...
    Greater AucklandBy Guest Post
    3 days ago
  • Webworm Down Under Photos!

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    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    3 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Thursday, July 18

    TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 6:30 am on Thursday, July 18 are:News: Christchurch's sewer systems block further housing developments RNZ’s Niva ChittockAnalysis: Interislander: Treasury, MoT officials' mistrust of KiwiRail led ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Thursday, July 18

    TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Thursday, July 18, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:Verbatim: Climate Change Minister Simon Watts held a news conference in Auckland to release the Government’s Emissions Reduction Plan, including ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago
  • The politics of managed retreat

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    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    3 days ago
  • Some changes are coming

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    4 days ago
  • About fucking time

    The US Supreme Court has been rogue for years, with openly corrupt judges making the law up as they go to suit themselves, their billionaire buyers, and the Republican Party. But now, in the wake of them granting a licence for tyranny, President Biden is actually going to try and ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Climate Change: False accounting and wishful thinking

    National released their draft 2026-2030 Emissions Reduction Plan today. The plan is required under the Zero Carbon Act, and must set out policies and strategies to meet the relevant emissions budget. Having cancelled all Labour's actually effective climate change policies and crashed the carbon price, National was always going to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • The Enemies Of Sunshine And Space.

    Our Houses? The Urban Density debate is a horrible combination of intergenerational avarice and envy, fuelled by the grim certainty that none of the generations coming up after them will ever have it as good as the Boomers. To say that this situation rankles among those born after 1965 is to ...
    4 days ago
  • Still the 5 Eyes Achilles Heel?

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    4 days ago
  • Britain's Devastating Electoral Slip.

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  • Gordon Campbell on why right wingers think all governments (including their own) are incompetent

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    4 days ago
  • The Kākā's Chorus for Wednesday, July 17

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    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago
  • Open Letter to Pharmac

    All this talk of getting oldIt's getting me down, my loveLike a cat in a bag, waiting to drownThis time I'm coming downAnd I hope you're thinking of meAs you lay down on your sideNow the drugs don't workThey just make you worse but I know I'll see your face ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    4 days ago
  • A blanket of misinformation

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    Greater AucklandBy Connor Sharp
    4 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Wednesday, July 17

    TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day to 7:00 am on Wednesday, July 17 are:Scoop: Government considers rolling back home insulation standards RNZ’s Eloise GibsonNews: Government plans tree-planting frenzy as report shows NZ no longer ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Wednesday, July 17

    TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Wednesday, July 17 , the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day were:Simon Watts released the Government’s draft Emissions Reduction Plan (ERP), which included proposed changes to the Emissions Trading Scheme ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago
  • “Shhhh” – National's 3 Waters is loaded with higher costs and lays a path to ...

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    5 days ago
  • Plugging a video channel: Dr Gilbz

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  • Some “scrutiny” again

    Back in 2022, in its Open Government Partnership National Action Plan, the government promised to strengthen scrutiny of Official Information Act exemption clauses in legislation. Since then they've run a secret "consultation" on how to do that, with their preferred outcome being that agencies will consult the Ministry of Justice ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Crashing New Zealand's health system is not the way to prosperity, Prime Minister

    Another day, and yet another piece of bad news for New Zealand’s health system. Reports have come out that General Practitioners (GP) may have to close doors, or increase patient fees to survive. The so-called ‘capitation’ funding review, which supports GP practices to survive, is under way, and primary care ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    5 days ago
  • Closer Than You Think: Ageing Boomers, Laurie & Les, Talk Politics.

    Redefining Our Terms: “When an angry majority is demanding change, defending the status-quo is an extremist position.”“WHAT’S THIS?”, asked Laurie, eyeing suspiciously the two glasses of red wine deposited in front of him.“A nice drop of red. I thought you’d be keen to celebrate the French Far-Right’s victory with the ...
    5 days ago
  • Come on Darleen.

    Good morning all, time for a return to things domestic. After elections in the UK and France, Luxon gatecrashing Nato, and the attempted shooting of Trump, it’s probably about time we re-focus on local politics.Unless of course you’re Christopher Luxon and you’re so exhausted from all your schmoozing in Washington ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    5 days ago
  • How the Northwest was lost and may be won

    This is a guest post by Darren Davis. It originally appeared on his excellent blog, Adventures in Transitland, which we encourage you to check out. It is shared by kind permission. The Northwest has always been Auckland’s public transport Cinderella, rarely invited to the public funding ball. How did ...
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    5 days ago
  • The Kākā's Chorus for Tuesday July 16

    Luxon has told a Financial Times’ correspondent he would openly call out China’s spying in future and does not fear economic retaliation from Aotearoa’s largest trading partner.File Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy on Tuesday, ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Tuesday, July 16

    TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 6:00 am on Tuesday, July 16 are:PM Christopher Luxon has given a very hawkish interview to the Financial Times-$$$ correspondent in Washington, Demetri Sevastopulu, saying ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Tuesday, July 16

    Photo by Ryunosuke Kikuno on UnsplashTL;DR: The top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day to 6:00 am are:BNZ released its Performance of Services Index for June, finding that services sector is at its lowest level of activity ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago
  • The second crisis; assumption was the mother

    Late on the night of July 16, 1984, while four National Cabinet Ministers were meeting in the Beehive office of Deputy Prime Minister Jim McLay, plotting the ultimate downfall of outgoing Prime Minister Sir Robert Muldoon, another crisis was building up in another part of the capital. The United States ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    6 days ago
  • Can we air condition our way out of extreme heat?

    This is a re-post from The Climate Brink by Andrew Dessler Air conditioning was initially a symbol of comfort and wealth, enjoyed by the wealthy in theaters and upscale homes. Over time, as technology advanced and costs decreased, air conditioning became more accessible to the general public. With global warming, though, ...
    6 days ago
  • Review: The Zimiamvian Trilogy, by E.R. Eddison (1935-1958)

    I have reviewed some fairly obscure stuff on this blog. Nineteenth century New Zealand speculative fiction. Forgotten Tolkien adaptations. George MacDonald and William Morris. Last month I took a look at The Worm Ouroboros (1922), by E.R. Eddison, which while not strictly obscure, is also not overly inviting to many ...
    6 days ago
  • Media Link: AVFA on the Trump assassination attempt.

    In this episode of “A View from Afar” Selwyn Manning and I discuss the attempt on Donald Trump’s life and its implications for the US elections. The political darkness grows. ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    6 days ago
  • Law & Order: National Party 1, Police 0, Public -1

    What happened?Media is reporting that police have lost in their pay dispute with the Coalition Government.Some of you might remember that the police rejected Labour’s previous offer in September, 2023, possibly looking forward to be taken care of by the self-touted ‘Party of Law and Order’ - National.If you look ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    6 days ago
  • Gordon Campbell on the Trump shooting and a potential hike in fees for visiting the doctor

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    WerewolfBy lyndon
    6 days ago
  • The Kākā's Chorus for Monday July 15

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    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    6 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Monday, July 15

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    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    6 days ago
  • City Centre Rebuild: How Soon Is Now?

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    Greater AucklandBy Patrick Reynolds
    6 days ago
  • Peril, dismay, resolution

    This afternoon we rolled into Budapest to bring to a close our ride across Europe. We did 144 km yesterday, severe heat messages coming in from the weather app as we bounced along unformed Hungarian back roads and a road strip strewn with fallen trees from an overnight tornado. Somewhere ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    6 days ago
  • Bullet the Blue Sky

    In the locust windComes a rattle and humJacob wrestled the angelAnd the angel was overcomeYou plant a demon seedYou raise a flower of fireWe see them burnin' crossesSee the flames, higher and higherBullet the blue skyBullet the blue skyThe indelible images, the soundtrack of America. Guns, assassinations, where-were-you-when moments attached ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    6 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Monday, July 15

    TL;DR: The top six announcements, rulings, reports, surveys, statistics and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the three days to 6:00 am on Monday, July 23 are:University of Auckland researcher Ryan Greenaway-McGrevy published an analysis of the impact of Auckland's 2016 zoning reforms.BNZ's latest Performance ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    6 days ago
  • The Kākā’s diary for the week to July 23 and beyond

    TL;DR: The six key events to watch in Aotearoa-NZ’s political economy in the week to July 23 include:PM Christopher Luxon has returned from a trip to the United States and may hold a post-Cabinet news conference at 4:00 pm today.The BusinessNZ-BNZ PSI survey results for June will be released this ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    6 days ago
  • Was The Assassination Attempt Fake?

    Hi,It’s in incredible photo, and we’re going to be talking about it for a long time:Trump, triumphantly raising his hand in the air after being shot. Photo credit: Evan VucciYou can watch what happened on YouTube in real time, as a 20-year-old from Pennsylvania lets off a series of gunshots ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    6 days ago
  • 40 years ago, inside the crisis that made modern NZ

    It had rained all day in Auckland, and the Metro Theatre in Mangere was steamed up inside as more and more people arrived to celebrate what had once seemed impossible. Sir Robert Muldoon had lost the 1984 election. “Piggy” Muldoon was no more. Such was the desire to get rid ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    6 days ago
  • 2024 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #28

    A listing of 34 news and opinion articles we found interesting and shared on social media during the past week: Sun, July 7, 2024 thru Sat, July 13, 2024. Story of the week It's still early summer in the Northern Hemisphere. The season comes as our first year of 1.5°C warming ...
    7 days ago
  • Unsurprising, but Trump shooting creates opportunity for a surprising response

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    PunditBy Tim Watkin
    1 week ago
  • Escalation in the States as Trump is shot and his allies capitalize on the moment

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    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    1 week ago
  • Bernie Sanders: Joe Biden for President

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    1 week ago
  • Questions from God

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    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    1 week ago
  • The politics of money and influence

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    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    1 week ago
  • Auckland & Transport Minister Simeon Brown's insanity

    Excuse me, but I just don’t feel like being polite today. What is going on with Simeon Brown? I mean, really? After spending valuable Ministerial time, focus, and government resources to overturn tailored speed limits in school and high fatality zones that *checks notes* reduces the risk of deaths and ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    1 week ago
  • Were scientists caught falsifying data in the hacked emails incident dubbed 'climategate'?

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    1 week ago

  • Oceans and Fisheries Minister to Solomons

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  • Government launches Military Style Academy Pilot

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    1 day ago
  • Nine priority bridge replacements to get underway

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  • Update on global IT outage

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    2 days ago
  • New Zealand, Japan renew Pacific partnership

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  • New infrastructure energises BOP forestry towns

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  • 'Pacific Futures'

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  • Delivering 24 hour pothole repairs

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    2 days ago
  • Peer Support Specialists rolled out in hospitals

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    3 days ago
  • Consultation opens for the Emissions Reduction Plan

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  • Benefit stats highlight need for welfare reset

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  • School attendance continues to increase

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  • $22.7m of West Coast resilience projects underway

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  • Funding to support use of NZ Sign Language

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