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Jackal: A coalition with Winston Peters

Written By: - Date published: 3:54 pm, September 14th, 2014 - 79 comments
Categories: election 2014, john banks, john key, national, nz first, winston peters - Tags: ,

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I’m not sure how to break the news to all those desperate right wingers out there wanting the NZ First party to form a coalition government with National, but, despite the mainstream medias misleading coverage, it doesn’t look like a realistic scenario at all.

NZ First leader Winston Peters and Green party co-leader Russel Norman.

It appears that on current polling, and without Winston Peters’ help, National’s dreams for a third term in power look set to be dashed against the rocks of public opinion.

Never say never though so let’s go back in time a bit and revise some history showing why it’s highly unlikely Peters will get into bed with the political contortion artist, John Key:

On January 22, One News reported:

Winston Peters not grabbing John Key’s olive branch

Asked if he could hold a ministeral warrant alongside Mr Dunne, Mr Peters said: “This comes down to the country’s leadership. And if a leader has that sort of unprincipled position it would be almost untenable to be able to deal with a government.”

Not working with Peter Dunne appears to be a bottom line for Winston.

“This is no time to start jacking up the election results like some tin pot military dictatorship where the general election results always favour the generals.”

Peters calls Key’s administration a “tin pot military dictatorship” for trying to jack up the election. Nice! He was clearly still pissed off about the smear campaign that the right wing had been running against him, a smear campaign likely orchestrated directly by the National party itself.

Of course Peters was eventually cleared of any wrongdoing, but by then the damage was done. What I’m trying to say is that the National party and their attack bloggers Dirty Politics won’t have been forgotten by Winston Peters.

However, what about John Key’s thoughts on Winston Peters? Is there any room for the corrupt PM to wriggle his way back into power?

On February 2011, the NZ Herald reported:

PM rejects post-election coalition with Peters

Mr Key said although it could cost National the election, he would not work with Mr Peters. It was up to voters to decide who they wanted in government and he wanted his position to be clear.

“If Winston Peters holds the balance of power it will be a Phil Goff-led Labour government.”

Around the same time Key also said:

“I want to lead an aspirational Government, I don’t believe a Winston Peters Government does that.”

“I’m about tomorrow – not yesterday.”

I guess that was all about getting voters to not support NZ First in the hope they would instead support National, so obviously the wily old fox was a bit pissed off about that as well. He was however rather diplomatic on that occasion concerning John Keys’ insults:

“New Zealanders don’t take kindly to being told what they’ve got to do, particularly when they’re the masters come election day.”

Voters especially didn’t take kindly to John Key and John Banks talking about NZ First supporters dying off. Here’s a little excerpt from the teapot tapes, which clearly display exactly what Key really thinks about older people:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that’s, but no, no, not a show. He, look, he’s at 2.5 I think on the TV3 poll, we have him about 2.5, 3. Look, he polled 4 last time, he’ll poll 3 this time, a lot of his constituents have all died. He won’t poll, I don’t think he’ll poll much above 3 this time.

John Key was amused that NZ First supporters were dying. This clearly shows he has no principles, which, despite his previous criticism, is why the PM is now giving the glad eye to Winston Peters.

Personally I don’t think Peters will have a bar of it. Not just because those who continue to support NZ First because of the teapot tape scandal would look elsewhere, but because of his other bottom lines.

On September 10, Tim Watkin over at Pundit reported:

Winston Peters: His six bottom lines

But let’s not pretend Peters has only just started positioning himself. I’ve been keeping a running tally of Peters’ “bottom lines” this year, and they are:

New Zealand First won’t work in a coalition with a “race-based party”.

New Zealand First will block the sale of Lochinver Station (“we would not allow this deal”), demands a register of land sales to non-New Zealanders and further, “we will not go into any arrangement with any party that thinks they can go on doing this [foreign land sales]. That’s it.”

New Zealand First could not offer even confidence and supply to a party that didn’t agree to a royal commission into the Dirty Politics allegations.

New Zealand First insists on a state asset buy-back programme that begins now, not in years to come. More specifically, he has a bottom line that the power companies part-sold last year must be bought back. “If either side prefers to sell out New Zealand’s long-term heritage, then they can line up and find their own support”.

New Zealand First wants a public KiwiSaver fund (It’s calling it KiwiFund). Peters said it’s “most definitely” a bottom line.

New Zealand First says generally immigration must come down, and specifically that new migrants must move into the regions for up to five years. That’s also a bottom line, Peters has said.

Clearly the National party isn’t going to agree to at least half of those conditions and Winston is unlikely to compromise, which would rule out any type of coalition deal with NZ First.

In my opinion, Winston Peters has a lot to lose if he makes a deal with Key and everything to gain if he makes a deal with Cunnliffe. The political divide between NZ First and Labour is a lot less pronounced than with National. Also, with compromises to policy likely to be acceptable to their supporters, a coalition between NZ First and Labour looks like a workable solution.

A Labour led government with NZ First on the right and the Green party on the left would be a very stable and moderate administration dedicated to all the things that New Zealanders believe in. Far from being an uncontrollable multi-headed hydra, Labour and their coalition partners would bring years of experience and newfound enthusiasm to the table.

The only real question is who’s going to be Deputy Prime Minister?


lprent: The results of a series of Horizon online polls would also appear to make it a party losing proposition to support National.

7th August 2014

A new HorizonPoll finds 58.8% of those intending to give their party vote to New Zealand First would prefer Labour to lead a coalition government if one is needed after the election.

41.2% would prefer a National-led coalition.

 2nd September 2014 – after Dirty Politics was released

67% of those who voted for New Zealand First at the 2011 general election would prefer Labour to lead a coalition government if one is needed after September 20’s general election.

The majority preference for a change of Government among the party’s voters underscores the “difficult” decision making party leader Winston Peters says he will face.

The sample sizes for NZ First voters are pretty small. But the margins are pretty significiant.

When I went to the NZ First conference in mid-July as ‘media’, I was struck by the distaste that many delegates had for John Key and National both on the remit floor and privately. They actually reminded me in many ways of the conservative delegates from a Labour conference.

I could see why they didn’t have significiant issues working with Helen Clark, or for that matter with Jim Bolger. However in my opinion, they would be like sulphuric acid and salt with John Key, Jenny Shipley or for that matter with Bill English. Reactive and dangerous.

Not to mention the factor that The Jackal didn’t mention. The smearing of Winston Peters and NZ First back in 2008 on pretty spurious corruption charges using National’s sockpuppets – Act, David Farrar, and Cameron Slater. They must have been shocked when Winston Peters and NZ First returned in 2011.

79 comments on “Jackal: A coalition with Winston Peters ”

  1. b waghorn 1

    Might be a case for three deputy’s or something like that the greens leaders were talking vice presidents this morning. Could be a natural progression for MMP governments.

    • lprent 1.1

      Don’t know why anyone would want to be a deputy when they could be a minister. The only real power of a deputy is to be a placeholder when the PM is out of contact or offshore. They aren’t in the succession to becoming PM.

  2. b waghorn 2

    So was the greens talk of vice presidents just waffle our were the aiming at something else.

  3. weka 3

    “Personally I don’t think Peters will have a bar of it.”

    And there’s the rub. We can all have our theories about what Peters will do (and Jackal’s is not too shabby), but in the end, there’s nothing to rely on. A vote for Peters is not a vote for a change in govt, it’s a vote for letting Peters decide the outcome of the election. If you want to change the govt, vote left (L, GP, IMP).

    • Draco T Bastard 3.1


    • Local Kiwi 3.2


      Don’t make the fatal error of miscalculation of the importance of needing such a senior politician on our side as Winston.

      He is the most senior skilful politician to save the Parliamentary system from the endemic corruption and dirty op’s network in the parliamentary level.

      He will be most important in ridding all the vestiges of NatZ moles hidden in every corner make no mistake here.

      Winston will smell out every corner like no others can, so choose your side carefully and he is one you need on your side, as there will be a lot of sorting to do when taking over rest assured.

      • weka 3.2.1

        “Don’t make the fatal error of miscalculation of the importance of needing such a senior politician on our side as Winston.”

        You miss my point. I actually think NZ would be much better off with Peters out of politics altogether, but if I were to agree with you on his importance in govt, then yes he should be on the left’s side. But the point is he’s not. He’s sitting on the fence until after the election and then he will get to choose the govt.

        It’s bullshit, not least because he makes a big hooha about waiting to see what the people want, but has already said he will disenfranchise some of those people (the IMP and Mp). My point was that voting for him doesn’t vote for a change in govt. He might support a change, but there are no guarantees, and that’s not good enough IMO.

        I don’t have a problem with NZF being part of the next left wing govt. I do have a problem with him hedging his bets.

        • Clemgeopin

          He has said he will first talk to the party that most voters have selected and then go with the side that helps push many of his party policies. That is a fair position to take, because as a party, he is concerned about his own party policies not those of other parties.

          • weka

            the policy one is completely fair, but he should be able to give an indication before the election. The largest party one is bullshit, unless he will count L/GP together. MMP is supposed to increase representation.

      • Mike 3.2.2

        Could not agree more. Key is toxic and with proposed Royal Commission findings based on 2011 TV 1 press conference he should be sent to Coventry. Given Keys likely demise any chance of a grand coalition interim government in meantime run by Winnie? Then its all about policy really and there is hardly any from national that is relevant and Labour have copied NZ First policies anyway. Could be neat to bring together and in the national interest.
        For some confirmation of the work NZ First is doing read the Legasea fishing report released today. NZ Scored 94 out of 120 while the government scored 20 out of 120. National is out of touch and now that their rock star is imploding what is left are completely off the pace.

    • Hanswurst 3.3

      Absolutely. He campaigned at least as strongly on changing the National government in 1996, and look what happened then. I agree he could work with Labour, but I would only be comfortable that it is in any way likely if the numbers didn’t stack up for NZ First + National. That’s far from a given unless people vote in large numbers for Labour + Greens — so don’t vote NZ First. Vote Green or Labour.

      • cogito 3.3.1

        Right now, Labour really needs the votes. Cunliffe has come a long way, has debated well and deserves the support.

        I’m a big fan of Winston, but right now Cunliffe is the one who needs the votes more.

        The only other alternative for me is Internet Mana. Kiwis owe Kim a massive debt of gratitude for exposing Key…. and it would be good to see Laila in Parliament again.

        • Hanswurst

          I also have a lot of time for both Harre and Harawira (I seriously considered voting Mana in 2011). As regards Kim Dotcom, I also agree that he deserves gratitude for putting pressure on Key. However, while I might advocate sending him flowers or a buzzy bee or something, I don’t think anybody owes him their vote. If you vote for Mana/Internet, do it because of their policies, not because of a loveable rogue.

        • Sans Cle

          +++ on all your comments.
          Hager fighting for integrity and transparency domestically, Greenwald and Dotcom for integrity and transparency globally.
          I seem to remember that the general public were outraged by the raids on KDC’s house at the time…..our police being “henchmen” for the US. How times quickly changed, by twists of smears, all of a sudden KDC vilified within NZ!

    • Clemgeopin 3.4

      Best option is for all National party inclined soft voters to vote for NZF to keep Key and National honest in case he decides to go with National. A no brainer!

    • Sebastian 3.5

      I imagined that before I really looked into it. But at this point I really don’t believe for a moment now that Mr Peters will betray the country on this. He has said there must be a wider inquiry into Nicky Hager’s book and he has said “why would the Prime Minister say no to that? Mr Key has said he is completely innocent of any wrong doing, so why would he not want an inquiry to exonerate himself? He’s already agreed by saying he’s innocent.” Then the media go to Key and he says “no I don’t agree the inquiry won’t be widened. It will be an inquiry focusing only on Judith Collins”. But to those who vote for Winston who still have any faith in Mr Key not being a corrupt Prime Minister, Winston has proven he is being 100% fair to Mr Key, he’s giving him a chance to exonerate himself by insisting on a wider inquiry.

  4. b waghorn 4

    @weka I fully agree with that but he will be there in the mix I’m just trying to learn how it could work if you’ve got 3 parties that aren’t that far apart. Because that is the only way we will see key Collins and the rest of them gone.

    • weka 4.1

      L/GP/NZF in coalition with confidence and supply support from the IMP. Keep an eye on the Māori seats, and Epsom and Ōhariu. If we get really lucky National will win Epsom, and anyone but Dunne will win Ōhariu.

      That’s the numbers game. Coalition building is another matter.

      • Colonial Viper 4.1.1

        Once the numbers can stack up, all else is possible; the desire for Ministerial Warrants is the true certainty at that point.

  5. Kat 5

    IF! ……. the possibility of a change of govt on the 20th September is to occur and that govt includes Labour + Greens + NZ1st then Labour needs to get to 30% minimum.

    The current poll of polls would have to be out by a minimum of 4.6%.

    Somewhere somehow some more people are just going to have to party vote Labour or it won’t happen. Sorry to spoil anyone’s hopes here.

    • Lanthanide 5.1

      “IF! ……. the possibility of a change of govt on the 20th September is to occur and that govt includes Labour + Greens + NZ1st then Labour needs to get to 30% minimum.

      No it doesn’t. It’s perfectly possible for a left-wing government to be formed if Labour gets just 25% of the vote, as long as the other left parties make up the numbers.

      • weka 5.1.1

        +1. Except if Labour are too low Peters may choose to not work with them.

        Kat, the polls don’t count the undecideds and non-responders.

        • Lanthanide

          Yes, that’s probably the biggest threat. I’d say 23% or less would definitely be danger territory for that outcome, assuming the seats still added up such a result for Labour would likely require leaning on the Greens or IMP too heavily for Winston’s liking.

      • Kat 5.1.2

        At 25% Labour has no real chance of forming a new govt.

        • lprent

          Why? It depends on what the bloc has a vote rather than what one party has.

          In this case the real problem is that National at 45% and below has no coalition partners with which to form a coalition. Assume they get the 2 or even 3 seats from their current partners (and that will be pushing it) and that the conservatives fail to hit the threshold – which seems likely.

          I can’t see any way that national can cobble together a coalition that gets the required 61-62 seats required without NZF.

          • Kat

            David is talking Labour + Greens + Nz1st being the possible new govt that he envisages leading. That combination is why Labour needs 30% to have a real chance of successfully putting that particular troika together. I do realise that it is technically possible with Labour at a knife edge 25%, but on current poll of polls it would involve another party, even two.

            The other scenario is that the polls are all bunk, the Conservatives definitely don’t make it or that the Nat vote collapses on the day.

            • lprent

              You are asserting rather than explaining. Even when challenged on it.

              A government is defined by having the seats in parliament to pass confidence and supply legislation. There are cases in various legislatures where the leading party of a government wasn’t even the largest in the governing coalition.

              Your silly assertion indicates that you have no freaking idea why? Is it someone else’s line you are repeating?

              Are you a mindless astroturfing troll? Or are you a thinking human?

              You answer should consist of the logic behind your assertion.

              • Kat

                The logic behind my assertion that at 25% Labour has no real chance of forming a new govt that comprises solely Labour + Greens + NZ1st is based on a degree of probability given current poll of polls and on the topic of “A coalition with Winston Peters”.

                What vote the left bloc may achieve in total is a different outcome to the point I was making. The maths there are fairly obvious and I did mention that.

                I would add that my assertive observations may be considered generalisations if you wish but hardly mindless or unthinking.

            • Lanthanide

              “I do realise that it is technically possible with Labour at a knife edge 25%, but on current poll of polls it would involve another party, even two.”

              Yes, with Labour stuck squarely on 25% and NZFirst and Greens at around 7% and 14%, that comes to 46% and other parties very likely would be required to get the requisite seats. Cunliffe has already ruled out giving ministerial posts to IMP, Dunne and MP, but that doesn’t mean those parties can’t give votes (or abstain) on confidence and supply.

        • Hanswurst

          Don’t forget that there will be at least a significant number of people who vote Green because they think a Labour-led government will be a good thing and they have high confidence in Cunliffe as prime minister. As such, a high Green vote should be seen as positive a vote for a more left-wing Labour-led government, rather than as a failure of Labour to appeal to the electorate.

          National campaign on their leadership team and the ability to make pragmatic decisions in government. Because they have no electoral stake in promoting their principles, they are happy to incorporate conservatives, neo-liberals and opportunists under one generic, anti-progressive roof. Whereas Labour, Green, Mana etc. are representatives of clear principles and ideas, National is basically like one great big factional salad. Because of that, they take in a monolithic conservative vote, with a gaggle of individual fools and nincompoops to the right.

    • Sebastian 5.2

      Not really because IMP can support them on confidence and supply. That is what Cunliffe is counting on. And IMP will support them. It’s a question of how well IMP do as well as the % on the other three parties.

  6. b waghorn 6

    Kat 2% is all the shift that’s needed kiwis are decent people(mostly) and when they get in the election box enough will do the right thing and ditch key.

    • Kat 6.1

      If Labour were on 28% I would agree another 2% will do it.

      • JRT 6.1.1

        Labour on 28%, Greens on 13%, NZFirst on 8%, IMP on 2.5% is not an unrealistic result of the election and that would take the left + NZ First over 50%. It is all still in play, and National are not looking friendly towards Winston so he may get more of what he wants from the left. He has said it is all about getting as many of NZFirst policies enacted as he can, and he and Labour have a lot in common. I’m still hopeful for a good outcome.

        • Sebastian

          He’s also said Hager’s book is very serious, that it’s Watergate and that there must be a wider inquiry for the sake of honesty and integrity.

  7. b waghorn 7

    Keys talking minority government , he knows the numbers are only going to get worse for nats

    • harry holland 7.1

      What’s the constitutional position if the Nats have 45% and ask the GG to let them form a minority govt? even if L/G/NZF/IMP has 51% ? I wouldn’t put it past Key to try. He still has a FPP mentality and would feel entitled to rule as the largest party. I have heard some loose talk, but surely it would be irresponsible of the GG to take the risk that such a minority govt could survive a no conf motion?

      • yeshe 7.1.1

        wise to remember who appointed this GG and the position he came from .. wish we could guarantee we can trust him. i sincerely hope we don’t need to find out.

        ( And I back Winston as a more shrewd and cunning politician ndthan Key — as he referred to this today from his meeting in Levin .. TV3 Nation I think it was.)

        • Sebastian

          Yes he’s very clever how he keeps saying “Why wouldn’t the Prime Minister want a full inquiry into Hager’s book that will exonerate him? The Prime Minister has said he’s completely innocent.” And then Key keeps saying “no only Judith Collins to be investigated not me or any of my other staff”

  8. SPC 8

    At the weekend the Herald, Herald on Sunday and Dominion all attacked votes for NZ First. Commentators such as Armstrong and Garner said the same.

    The public are being told not to vote for NZ First.

    Not only is it a restraint on a National led government it might even enable a Labour led one and so they stand united opposed to this outcome.

    • JRT 8.1

      So sick of the “journalists” at the Herald….

    • Hanswurst 8.2

      I can’t see that as a secure ploy. It looks desperate mroe than anything. There is no way of knowing how many NZ First supporters would peel off to Labour and how many to National, or how many would simply not vote. It could work in National’s favour, but it could also work against them.

    • Sebastian 8.3

      Yes there have been a ton of anti NZfirst, anti Winston articles that just say “oh Winston is (some meaningless insult)

      You know I only looked into it the other day the reason why Mr Peters was ejected from National way back under Jenny Shipley was over asset sales. Shipley was selling off govt shares in Wellington Airport and Peters would not back down on fighting it so she sacked him. I always thought it was shocking they could use him to get into govt then just throw him out.

  9. jackp 9

    Being an ex National supporter (do I dare show my face here?) but after two years of Key I realized that Key was a George Bush, a US corporate stooge. That’s when I looked at Winston and found him to be more to my liking. This year will be the first year I will vote labour and second time for NZ first because I can’t stand National. The Jackael is right, I might add too that Winston is 69, he has mellowed out with less ego. I really believe he wants to do better for his country and he is now in the position to do so. Yes, I too think he’ll go with Labour but the media keep saying National because they know it might turn a few voters away from NZ first. I’m sick of the media ragging on NZ first and it shows Winston’s character to not bend for the MSM. Key’s just an arrogant wall street boy with no brains which is why Crosby/Textor is working overtime. To the life of me I don’t see how he can be popular when he treats the average kiwi with so much contempt.

    • Lanthanide 9.1

      How are you voting both Labour and NZFirst?

    • blue leopard 9.2

      Now there is the type of comment I like to read 🙂

      • Colonial Viper 9.2.1

        Lots of good Kiwis who are (ex)-National Party supporters starting to see through the John Key veil. Do we have enough time less than a week to go…

        • blue leopard

          It is pretty awful how we can’t trust the polls.
          I would have thought they were a lot higher for the left in reality than they are registering in the polls, however I thought that last election…

          I keep having this circular conversation with myself, the above sentence followed by the thought that the polls affected the way people voted.

          Was wondering why Labour or the Greens don’t give us some clue on their internal polling – the way Cunliffe has been talking makes it sound they are about the same as the public polls.

          I would think left and right are even now (given the historical bias of them and re landline etc) and the next few days left will be over taking.

          What do you reckon?

          • weka

            I think National are in trouble. I hadn’t cottoned on to the whole once they drop below 45% thing, but I’ve just put it in the election calculator and it makes sense. Even with ACT/UF/Mp, they’re screwed if they drop. Conservatives above 5% would change that I think.

            “I would think left and right are even now (given the historical bias of them and re landline etc) and the next few days left will be over taking.”

            I think the left will win, but the stakes are so high I can’t let myself believe it.

            • blue leopard

              Yes, and it is really difficult separating what one hopes to occur from what one thinks is realistic!

              By the way, I appreciated you replied to the comment in Open Mike a day or so ago (over the Green issue), and apologize for not replying – I got overwhelmed by the conversation and needed to remove myself from it.

          • Sebastian

            The polls are all landline polls and a lot of young people no longer bother paying for landlines as they all have cell phones.

          • Francis G

            I’ve heard Labour’s internal polling has them in the high 20s, a fair bit higher than most of the publicly available ones.

            Still, I’d hoped they would have been in at least the low 30s by now.

            • blue leopard

              Thanks Francis G,

              I would have thought so. I do wonder why Labour don’t openly share that info with the public. I wish they would, because it is important for people to feel there is a good chance the left can win and knowing the polls are trending lower than reality would be a really good way to do that.

  10. Dakta Green 10

    Labour will poll 30% + on Saturday, Greens will go over 15%, Internet/Mana are the sleeper party and will poll 6 to 8%. There is your next Government.

    National will poll the worst result in their history and will share the opposition benches with NZ First. Act will not win Epsom and will disappear. Peter Dunne will lose and United Future will join ACT in the political wilderness. The Maori Party will not win a seat this election and will merge with Mana before the 2017 election. The Conservatives will stay below 5% and disappear.

    You read it here first.

    • Colonial Viper 10.1

      I like the theory but 😯

      Upper upper limits 31% LAB, 14.0% GR are my picks. IMP at 4.5% max. But I hope you are right and I am wrong.

      PS I am picking National at between 42.5% to 45%…no way is it going to go down to Bill English levels, sadly.

      No doubt I will be live tweeting angst and elation during the evening 😈

      • weka 10.1.1

        I’m trying to decide whether to find a television for the evening, or go bush for the weekend 😉

        • yeshe

          well, I’d shout you a drink if I could weka !! 🙂

        • Colonial Viper

          a day tramp on Sunday sounds like a perfect compromise haha

          • weka

            I have a feeling that if I know the result on Sat night, I’ll want to be celebrating/commiserating on ts on Sunday. Or taking part in the confusion if there is no clear result 😀

    • Mike 10.2

      NZ First to achieve plus 10 to 12% and Nats 44% and lower will allow NZ First to go with either left or right factions. Key in a royal commission and a caretaker government while Keys fate is determined, Labour has agreed basically to NZ First policies would it be that simple? I think not. How about a grand coalition with cherry picked ministers and English PM? Greens and Labour represented and NZ First inside or outside but with voting strength to go both ways which allows support for his policies. That gets rid of dirty politics and is policy driven. That would ensure an independent speaker in the house and Peters legacy

    • Sebastian 10.3

      NZfirst will get something like 9% and they will support Labour.

  11. Mike 11

    you better factor in 11 to 12% for NZ First. They are the sleeper here.Many have Peters to be there and want him there in the mess created by the Nats. He will on those numbers be able to go both ways if he want. This is going to be the most exciting election in years. I am hoping that Peters has the balance as he is the best option all round to ensure this nonsense stops

    • Colonial Viper 11.1

      NZF 6% to 8%…they’ll get 8.0%-9.0% only if the NATs have a crushingly bad night.

      NZ First on 12%…my god do they have enough sane MPs on their list???

      • Sebastian 11.1.1

        This is the kind of meaningless nonsense the right throw out. Sane MPs? Yes they are lovely people and respond to all emails from the public unlike most parties.

  12. Local Kiwi 12

    Bang on Jackp,

    Winston has mellowed and sounds very socialist like statesman now.

    He talks very badly of Key and co, one can never imagine he would go within a country mile of Key any more, they are enemies we see.

    Winston has made it clear at two public meetings, at Napier & Gisborne, we have attended he will not personally want to go with the toxic National Government.

    But he does qualify the fact that is the electorate and his own party that will decide post election final choice of partnerships.

    His preference is to go away from NatZ and their toxic mob.

    • Sebastian 12.1

      I know Tracey Martin has she said that they would be standing firm on a wider inquiry into Hager’s accusations as essential when it comes to coalition deals.

  13. Mike 13

    When you see the Herald editorial and John Armstrong’s bleatings berating Peters you know this is down to the wire. Given the toxic dirty politics just having effect I do not see any sackings at the Herald and other main right propogandists after their complicity with the attack bloggers. Here we have Peters calling for a commission to start to sort out this mess and he is the only one with any ideas as to what is required and to move forward. He is 69 years and going flat out, has run a brilliant campaign and this is his time. The Herald and some on that side are in panic. If folk think that dirty politics is not important and John Key was entitled to do what he has done we are stuffed as a country

  14. Jack 14

    Interesting article by Rodney Hide yesterday also bags Peters.

  15. Scott1 15

    Would Labour be willing to largely shut out the greens?

    For example form a coalition with NZfirst and ask for supply and confidence from the greens (or otherwise a situation where NZfirst is the major partner). If this is on the cards then all of a sudden labour can offer Peters quite a lot and make him look good to his own supporters.

    If not then National can offer him pretty much anything he wants but Labour has its hands a bit tied.

  16. gnomic 16

    I have heard Winston speak at public meetings for older citizens twice in the last 15 months or so. Both times he spoke of National and the Key-Joyce-English triumvirate in extremely scathing terms, effectively saying the National leadership suffers from an honesty deficit. He had nothing to say about Labour whatsoever if I recall correctly. However, and here’s the rub, he continued with his seemingly near-irrational dislike of the Greens. And I think we can safely say he will not be in a government including Hone Harawira.

    But hey, it’s Winston so who the hell knows?

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    Climate change continues to present a major risk for the island nation of Tuvalu, which means sustaining te gana Tuvalu, both on home soil and in New Zealand Aotearoa, has never been more important, Minister for Pacific Peoples Aupito William Sio said. The Tuvalu Auckland Community Trust and wider Tuvalu ...
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    2 days ago
  • Minister Sio to attend Asian Development Bank meeting in Manila
    Associate Foreign Affairs Minister Aupito William Sio travels to the Philippines this weekend to represent Aotearoa New Zealand at the 55th Annual Meeting of the Asian Development Bank (ADB) Board of Governors in Manila. “The ADB Annual Meeting provides an opportunity to engage with other ADB member countries, including those ...
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    3 days ago
  • United Nations General Assembly National Statement
    E ngā Mana, e ngā Reo, Rau Rangatira mā kua huihui mai nei i tēnei Whare Nui o te Ao Ngā mihi maioha ki a koutou katoa, mai i tōku Whenua o Aotearoa Tuia ki runga, Tuia ki raro, ka Rongo to pō ka rongo te ao Nō reira, tēnā ...
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    3 days ago
  • New strategy unifies all-of-Government approach to help Pacific languages thrive
    A united approach across all-of-Government underpins the new Pacific Language Strategy, announced by the Minister for Pacific Peoples Aupito William Sio at Parliament today. “The cornerstone of our Pacific cultures, identities and place in Aotearoa, New Zealand are our Pacific languages. They are at the heart of our wellbeing,” Aupito ...
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    4 days ago
  • Upgrades for sporting facilities ahead of FIFA Women’s World Cup
    Communities across the country will benefit from newly upgraded sporting facilities as a result of New Zealand co-hosting the FIFA Women’s World Cup 2023. The Government is investing around $19 million to support upgrades at 30 of the 32 potential sporting facilities earmarked for the tournament, including pitch, lighting and ...
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    4 days ago
  • Partnership supports climate action in Latin America and Caribbean
    Aotearoa New Zealand is extending the reach of its support for climate action to a new agriculture initiative with partners in Latin America and the Caribbean. Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta and Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor announced a NZ$10 million contribution to build resilience, enhance food security and address the ...
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    4 days ago
  • Landmark agreement for Māori fisheries celebrates 30th year
    The 30th anniversary of the Fisheries Deed of Settlement is a time to celebrate a truly historic partnership that has helped transform communities, says Parliamentary Under-Secretary to the Minister for Oceans and Fisheries Rino Tirikatene. “The agreement between the Crown and Māori righted past wrongs, delivered on the Crown’s treaty ...
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    4 days ago
  • Government backs initiatives to cut environmental impact of plastic waste
    The Government has today announced funding for projects that will cut plastic waste and reduce its impact on the environment. “Today I am announcing the first four investments to be made from the $50 million Plastics Innovation Fund, which was set last year and implemented a 2020 election promise,” Environment ...
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    4 days ago
  • Call for expressions of interest in appointment to the High Court Bench
    Attorney-General David Parker today called for nominations and expressions of interest in appointment to the High Court Bench.  This is a process conducted at least every three years and ensures the Attorney-General has up to date information from which to make High Court appointments.  “It is important that when appointments ...
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    5 days ago
  • Depositor compensation scheme protects Kiwis’ money
    New Zealanders will have up to $100,000 of their deposits in any eligible institution guaranteed in the event that institution fails, under legislation introduced in Parliament today. The Deposit Takers Bill is the third piece of legislation in a comprehensive review of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand Act and ...
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    5 days ago
  • New fund to help more Pacific aiga into their own homes
    The Government has launched a new housing fund that will help more Pacific aiga achieve the dream of home ownership. “The Pacific Building Affordable Homes Fund will help organisations, private developers, Māori/iwi, and NGOs build affordable housing for Pacific families and establish better pathways to home ownership within Pacific communities. ...
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    5 days ago
  • More than 100,000 new Kiwis as halfway point reached
    Over 100,000 new Kiwis can now call New Zealand ‘home’ after the 2021 Resident Visa reached the halfway point of approvals, Minister of Immigration Michael Wood announced today. “This is another important milestone, highlighting the positive impact our responsive and streamlined immigration system is having by providing comfort to migrant ...
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    5 days ago
  • Maniapoto Claims Settlement Bill passes third reading – He mea pāhi te Maniapoto Claims Settl...
    Nā te Minita mō ngā Take Tiriti o Waitangi, nā Andrew Little,  te iwi o Maniapoto i rāhiri i tēnei rā ki te mātakitaki i te pānuitanga tuatoru o te Maniapoto Claims Settlement Bill - te pikinga whakamutunga o tā rātou whakataunga Tiriti o Waitangi o mua. "Me mihi ka ...
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  • 50,000 more kids to benefit from equity-based programmes next year
    Another 47,000 students will be able to access additional support through the school donations scheme, and a further 3,000 kids will be able to get free and healthy school lunches as a result of the Equity Index.  That’s on top of nearly 90% of schools that will also see a ...
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    5 days ago
  • Healthy Active Learning now in 40 percent of schools across New Zealand
    A total of 800 schools and kura nationwide are now benefitting from a physical activity and nutrition initiative aimed at improving the wellbeing of children and young people. Healthy Active Learning was funded for the first time in the inaugural Wellbeing Budget and was launched in 2020. It gets regional ...
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    5 days ago
  • Speech at 10th meeting of the Friends of the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test Ban Treaty
    Kia Ora. It is a pleasure to join you here today at this 10th meeting of the Friends of the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test Ban Treaty. This gathering provides an important opportunity to reiterate our unwavering commitment to achieving a world without nuclear weapons, for which the entry into force of this ...
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    5 days ago
  • Speech for Earthshot Prize Innovation Summit 2022
    Kia ora koutou katoa Thank you for the invitation to join you. It’s a real pleasure to be here, and to be in such fine company.  I want to begin today by acknowledging His Royal Highness The Prince of Wales and Sir David Attenborough in creating what is becoming akin ...
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    5 days ago
  • New accreditation builds capacity for Emergency Management Volunteers
    Emergency Management Minister Kieran McAnulty has recognised the first team to complete a newly launched National Accreditation Process for New Zealand Response Team (NZ-RT) volunteers. “NZ-RT volunteers play a crucial role in our emergency response system, supporting response and recovery efforts on the ground. This new accreditation makes sure our ...
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    6 days ago
  • Govt strengthens trans-Tasman emergency management cooperation
    Aotearoa New Zealand continues to strengthen global emergency management capability with a new agreement between New Zealand and Australia, says Minister for Emergency Management Kieran McAnulty. “The Government is committed to improving our global and national emergency management system, and the Memorandum of Cooperation signed is another positive step towards ...
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  • Christchurch Call Initiative on Algorithmic Outcomes
    Today New Zealand, the USA, Twitter, and Microsoft, announced investment in a technology innovation initiative under the banner of the Christchurch Call.  This initiative will support the creation of new technology to understand the impacts of algorithms on people’s online experiences.  Artificial Intelligence (AI) algorithms play a growing role in ...
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    6 days ago
  • JOINT PR: Trans-Tasman Cooperation on disaster management
    Hon Kieran McAnulty, New Zealand Minister for Emergency Management Senator The Hon Murray Watt, Federal Minister for Emergency Management Strengthening Trans-Tasman cooperation on disaster management issues was a key area of focus when Australia and New Zealand’s disaster management ministers met this week on the sidelines of the Asia-Pacific Ministerial Conference on ...
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    6 days ago
  • More transparency, less red-tape for modernised charities sector
    The Charities Amendment Bill has been introduced today which will modernise the charities sector by increasing transparency, improving access to justice services and reducing the red-tape that smaller charities face, Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector Priyanca Radhakrishnan said. “These changes will make a meaningful difference to over 28,000 ...
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    6 days ago
  • Pacific visas reopened to help boost workforce
    Work continues on delivering on a responsive and streamlined immigration system to help relieve workforce shortages, with the reopening of longstanding visa categories, Immigration Minister Michael Wood has announced.  From 3 October 2022, registrations for the Samoan Quota will reopen, and from 5 October registrations for the Pacific Access Category ...
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    6 days ago
  • Queen Elizabeth II Memorial Day Bill passes into law
    The Bill establishing Queen Elizabeth II Memorial Day has passed its third reading. “As Queen of Aotearoa New Zealand, Her Majesty was loved for her grace, calmness, dedication, and public service. Her affection for New Zealand and its people was clear, and it was a fondness that was shared,” Michael ...
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    7 days ago
  • New investor migrant visa opens
    The new Active Investor Plus visa category created to attract high-value investors, has officially opened marking a key milestone in the Government’s Immigration Rebalance strategy, Economic Development Minister Stuart Nash and Immigration Minister Michael Wood have announced. “The new Active Investor Plus visa replaces the previous investor visa categories, which ...
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    7 days ago
  • New wharekura continues commitment to Māori education
    A new Year 1-13 designated character wharekura will be established in Feilding, Associate Minister of Education Kelvin Davis announced today. To be known as Te Kura o Kauwhata, the wharekura will cater for the expected growth in Feilding for years to come. “The Government has a goal of strengthening Māori ...
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    7 days ago
  • National minute of silence for Queen Elizabeth II
    A national minute of silence will be observed at the start of New Zealand’s State Memorial Service for Queen Elizabeth II, at 2pm on Monday 26 September. The one-hour service will be held at the Wellington Cathedral of St Paul, during a one-off public holiday to mark the Queen’s death. ...
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    1 week ago
  • Speech to the Climate Change and Business Conference
    Tēnā koutou i tēnei ata. Good morning. Recently I had cause to say to my friends in the media that I consider that my job is only half done. So I’m going to take the opportunity of this year’s Climate and Business Conference to offer you a mid-point review. A ...
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    1 week ago
  • Government enhances protection for our most-productive land  
    Enhanced protection for Aotearoa New Zealand’s most productive land   Councils required to identify, map, and manage highly productive land  Helping ensure Kiwis’ access to leafy greens and other healthy foods Subdivision for housing on highly-productive land could still be possible in limited circumstances  The Government has today released a National ...
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    1 week ago
  • Kieran McAnulty to attend Asia-Pacific Ministerial Conference on Disaster Risk Reduction
    Minister for Emergency Management Kieran McAnulty will travel to Brisbane this week to represent Aotearoa New Zealand at the 2022 Asia-Pacific Ministerial Conference on Disaster Risk Reduction. “This conference is one of the most important meetings in the Asia-Pacific region to progress disaster risk reduction efforts and increase cooperation between ...
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    1 week ago
  • Trade and Agriculture Minister to travel to India and Indonesia
    Minister of Trade and Export Growth and Minister of Agriculture Damien O’Connor will travel tomorrow to India and Indonesia for trade and agricultural meetings to further accelerate the Government’s growing trade agenda.  “Exploring ways we can connect globally and build on our trading relationships is a priority for the Government, ...
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    1 week ago
  • Poroporoaki: Cletus Maanu Paul (ONZM)
    E te rangatira Maanu, takoto mai ra, i tō marae i Wairaka, te marae o te wahine nāna I inoi kia Whakatānea ia kia tae ae ia ki te hopu i te waka Mātaatua kia kore ai i riro i te moana. Ko koe anō tēnā he pukumahi koe mō ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Pacific Wellbeing Strategy sets clear path to improve outcomes for Pacific Aotearoa
    Strengthening partnerships with Pacific communities is at the heart of the Government’s new Pacific Wellbeing Strategy, Minister for Pacific Peoples Aupito William Sio announced today. “Working alongside communities to ensure more of our aiga and families have access to the staples of life like, housing, education, training and job opportunities ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Jobs on the horizon for more than 1,000 rangatahi
    Following on from last week’s Better Pathways Package announcement and Apprenticeship Boost 50,000th apprentice milestone, the Government is continuing momentum, supporting over 1,000 more rangatahi into employment, through new funding for He Poutama Rangatahi. “Our Government remains laser focused on supporting young people to become work ready and tackle the ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • NZ/AU partnership to bring world-class satellite positioning services
    Land Information Minister Damien O’Connor today announced a joint Trans-Tasman partnership which will provide Australasia with world-leading satellite positioning services that are up to 50 times more accurate, boosting future economic productivity, sustainability and safety.  New Zealand and Australia have partnered to deliver the Southern Positioning Augmentation Network (SouthPAN), with ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Govt helps small businesses get paid on time
    The Government is adding to the support it has offered New Zealand’s small businesses by introducing new measures to help ensure they get paid on time. A Business Payment Practices disclosure regime is being established to improve information and transparency around business-to-business payment practices across the economy, Small Business Minister ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Economy grows as tourism and exports rebound
    The economy has rebounded strongly in the June quarter as the easing of restrictions and reopening of the border boosted economic activity, meaning New Zealand is well placed to meet the next set of challenges confronting the global economy. GDP rose 1.7 percent in the June quarter following a decline ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • New Ambassador to China announced
    Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta today announced the appointment of Grahame Morton as New Zealand’s next Ambassador to China. “Aotearoa New Zealand and China share a long and important relationship,” Nanaia Mahuta said. “As we mark 50 years of diplomatic relations between our nations, we are connected by people-to-people links, ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • 1.4 million hectares of wilding pine control work in two years
    1.4 million hectares of native and productive land have been protected from wilding conifers in the past two years and hundreds of jobs created in the united efforts to stamp out the highly invasive weeds, Biosecurity Minister Damien O’Connor said. Speaking today at the 2022 Wilding Pine Conference in Blenheim, Damien ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • HomeGround – “a place to come together, a place to come home to”
    After 10 years’ hard mahi, HomeGround - Auckland City Mission's new home – is now officially open. “It’s extremely satisfying to see our commitment to providing a safety net for people who need housing and additional support services come together in a place like HomeGround, to create a better future ...
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    2 weeks ago