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Just another sell-out

Written By: - Date published: 6:45 am, August 27th, 2012 - 130 comments
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The Maori Party is meeting with National to discuss the Waitangi Tribunal’s report on water and asset sales today. Notice how no-one’s saying ‘will they walk if the Nats ignore the Tribunal and proceed to breach the Treaty?’ That’s what happens when you cry wolf then sell out time after time. Everyone knows Turia wants her comfy limo seat more than anything else.

130 comments on “Just another sell-out”

  1. Glg 1

    I admired Tariana when she stood by her principles and left Labour. But to watch the Maori Party roll over time and time again for the Nats is just sickening. Maybe she’s just too old to fight any more.

    • Tracey 1.1


      The principle is the same. What is absent is the personal animosity toward Labour Ms Turia cannot let go. I understood she was unwell, hence no comment this weekend…

    • Carol 1.2

      +1 (except for the too old bit). And I also had more respect for Sharples than I do now. He seemed like a strong and down-to-earth voice for Maori. Now he just looks weak.

      And the Herald this morning is positioning the Maori Party as the conciliators – that will negotiate between the “freshwater iwi leaders group” that apparently want to continue discussing the issues directly with the government, and the Maori Council that reserves the right to go to court to sort out the water rights issue. Audrey Young is talking this up as a split within Maori.


      But Turia is ill and so that looks likely to delay the meeting between Key and the Maori Party.

      • Dr Terry 1.2.1

        Should this be a division in Maori opinion, the Nat’s will very quickly take advantage of it. I expect the Maori Party members to emerge from meeting with Key, all wreathed in smiles and good will (as usual). He enchants them many times.

        • Of course they will DrT.The so called Maori Party is the Brown National Party.The Brown Round Table. They have no interest at all in the welfare of working underpaid Maori people.They are a disgrace but worse still a disapointment .

  2. Adele 2

    Everyone knows Turia wants her comfy limo seat more than anything else

    The above is a complete bullshit line. Absolute fricking garbage. I personally don’t like the Māori Party because they are too ‘soft’ on hard issues but to accuse Tariana of being impressed with the baubles, beads and blankets of office to the detriment of her people is just a big maunga of manure.

    Why the fuck should the Māori Party play the game as you wish. The whities continue to treat Maori aspirations as simply an extension of their own. The Maoris should do this and they should do that for the benefit of all New Zealanders.

    Remember, the reason we have a Maori Party is because NZers did not give a fuck about Maori rights or aspirations. NZers do not give a fuck about the Treaty or Māori treaty rights. But now we have all these other people jumping on the Treaty rights issues to further their own interests – but the horis aren’t playing the ball properly, by their reckoning. Well, all I can to say to that is – why not go and play with your own balls.

    Focus your attentions on that bastion of stupidity – the Labour Party. A huge sloppy ballsack worthy of kicking to the kerb

    • Tracey 2.1

      You make some good points which also apply to the National Party, remember they wanted the seabed and foreshore to be tougher on Maori than Labour. It’s this short term memory and selective principles that upsets some people regarding Ms Turia, not her personally. Beware becoming a National Party apologist.

    • ghostwhowalksnz 2.2

      So she walked out on Labour , but hasnt walked out on National , twice folding over core issues. Her party is heading for extinction when she goes. Its just now a personal vehicle for her own aspirations, no different than Rodney Hide or peter Dunne

      • marty mars 2.2.1

        she set up a brand new political party from scratch when she was shat on by labour – that’s history and although that party has not gone in the direction I and many others wanted it has germinated another party that is more aligned with my values

        that legacy is stronger than any loser labour mp in the house and probably most who have left IMO

        a mana wahine in a patriarchcal environment full of backstabbing friends and frontstabbing enemies – her legacy with her people is safe.

        • ghostwhowalksnz

          Hone , was expelled from the Maori party solely to keep the National partys conservative voters happy.
          Turia and Sharples were the glove puppets of Key and Joyce in this action.

          • marty mars

            did it work?

            You may have heard about a new party – it is interested in equality, social justice and supporting the disadvantaged in society – labour doesn’t like it because it shows them up for the pretendgnats they really are, lots of fake lefties don’t like it because it confronts their privilege and they fucken love that advantage and will fight hard to maintain it.

            will it work?

            Hope so.

            • Carol

              I hope so, too mm. But as I see it, new parties start off with high ideals, then as they gain ground they back off from those ideals.

              I also have some concerns about Hone’s self-admitted “social conservatism”. Though kudos to him for owning up to it, and for being willing to be guided by others in his party who may not be so socially conservative.

              • Tracey


                As long as it’s about MP giving the two fingered salute to Labour (which it’s well entitled to do due to the ridiculousness of the Seabed/Foreshore travesty), sitting by while the right trample rights and mana isn’t going to advance the maori people. It’s another version of the lack of “trickle down” promised by such Iwi as Ngai Tahu… The rich got richer in the Maori version of asset administration too

                • what exactly would you know about Ngāi Tahu? Your lines appear to be slogans or have you some evidence to present.

                  • Tracey

                    You first, proof for this “labour doesn’t like it because it shows them up for the pretendgnats they really are, lots of fake lefties don’t like it because it confronts their privilege”? You might want to use a capital “L” otherwise it appears you are referring to everyone who labours for a living.

                  • Tracey

                    You insist? Insist all you like. You made the first assertion, then pushed me for proof. You prove yours first, then I will provide something for my assertion.

                    As for politeness, do youmean like this?

                    “lots of fake lefties don’t like it because it confronts their privilege and they fucken love that advantage and will fight hard to maintain it.”

                    • well I asked you a question based upon what you had written and instead of replying to my question you asked me a question about something I had written – see the problem there?

                      if you see yourself as a fake leftie that is your problem

                  • Tracey

                    I see the problem, you can offer rude opinions with no factual basis using bad language but others have to prove everything they write.

                    Are you really Pee Wee Herman?

                    • sitting by while the right trample rights and mana isn’t going to advance the maori people. It’s another version of the lack of “trickle down” promised by such Iwi as Ngai Tahu…

                      That is what you wrote denigrating over 50,000 iwi members


                      and that is your evidence.

                      and please save your personal insults for someone else

                  • Tracey

                    you forgot to say ” I know you are but what am I”.

                    • if the reply button isn’t there go up to the last reply button and it will put your comment after the last comment in that thread

                      and sorry for getting up your nose with my comments. Many people have the view you expressed – your comment was just a mote in my eye.

                    • Tracey

                      Marty, I have no problem being challenged by you, and indeed, it sent me off reading about Ngai Tahu and their use of treaty settlements HOWEVER you were the one who stooped to poor language and name-calling not me and without evidence you then asked me for proof. THAT is what I was calling you out on.

                      Thanks for the tip when there is no reply button

                • weka

                  ” It’s another version of the lack of “trickle down” promised by such Iwi as Ngai Tahu… The rich got richer in the Maori version of asset administration too”

                  Tracey, I too would like to know what you know about Kai Tahu. It is true that they have been very successful at emulating the pakeha greed model in some respects, but it’s simply not true to say that nga tangata have not benefited at all. Have you actually looked at what the iwi does for its people and how management of its resources funds that?

                  I’m not saying they are perfect (there are some things that I find alarming), but here’s the rub:

                  After 150 years, pakeha society (or the Crown if you like) forced Kai Tahu into a corporate model with the treaty settlement. This over time puts them on a kind of even playing field with the rest of NZ for the first time. Why should they not take advantage of the way NZ works for the most part, given they’ve been forced on to the back foot for all this time? It’s unfair, unkind, and ungenerous at this time to expect iwi to be working at a higher ethical standard than the rest of us.

                  By all means criticise specific actions and structures of Kai Tahu once you have an inside understanding of them, but to condemn them as a people overall is extremely rude/arrogant and IMO ignorant. It’s also insulting to all the amazing work various people have managed to do within the constraints of treaty settlement structures.

              • Murray Olsen

                I’m not that worried at all about Hone’s “social conservatism”. His focus is on food, housing, education, and jobs, which are all absolute necessities. From what I’ve seen, he doesn’t seek to run Mana in a dictatorial way, therefore the more socially liberal politics will depend on the rest of the party. I much prefer a politician who might feel slightly uncomfortable about the sexuality of a beneficiary painting his roof, but still organise some means to help, than about one who wants to take the guy’s benefit away out of some sense of fairness to his redneck neighbour.

                • idlegus

                  great comment, summing up. thank you.

                • Carol

                  Murray, I like your re-working of the beneficiary on the roof from a Mana perspective. I’d go for that over the Normanisation of the Green Party.

                  However, I’m cautious about all (so-called) left parties, and will re-consider which I prefer come the next election, looking at the last couple of years’ record for each.

                  It’s sad that the organised left has become so suspect.

            • fnjckg


    • North 2.3

      There are some Maori whose primary focus is self promotion and comfort. There are some Pakeha and some Pacific Islanders the same. There are many Parliamentarians the same.

      I wonder why I hear the names Pita and Tariana met with less and less reverence in Maori community ?

    • tautoko – plus nice summing up of deadbeat labour

    • vto 2.5

      Sheesh Adele, isn’t it about time you found something other than male genatalia for ‘enhancing’ your posts?

      • Adele 2.5.1


        Are you missing the attention?

        • Carol

          Curiously, when I tried to link directly to this comment by Adele, I got this post:

          Helen Clark answers your questions

          Is The Standard (yes the technological apparatus that it is, not any one person) trying to tell me something?

          • just saying

            I had a read.
            It must be trying to tell us something……..

          • lprent

            I was fiddling with the get_comment_link trying to get rid of the /comment-page-1/#comment-number. Worked ok on the test system (except on the sidebar – which I missed). Seemed to have issues on the live system.

            Reverted now…. I’ll check the live theme against the version in subversion this evening, and use rsync to make sure that the test and actual systems are exactly the same.

        • vto

          ha ha, that made me laugh. I do miss our robust conversations though – perhaps sometime again soon…

    • just saying 2.6

      Well said Adele, with the caveat that Labour is not the only bastion of stupidity in Parliament. However it is the biggest problem for the broad left, so maybe it is fair to single it out from National and National’s other natural allies.

    • Kotahi Tāne Huna 2.7

      I don’t think the MP MPs have sold out. They’ve just drunk the neo-liberal privatisation kool-aid. As such they are probably “representative” of a percentage of tangata whenua.

    • Polish Pride 2.8

      No Adelle the reason we have the Maori Party is because of the need to ‘Own’ in the current system. In particular the beach. For years the beach was everyones to use and enjoy. If their was one area that hadn’t been touched by the concept of ownership it was the beaches and that was fantastic. Unfortunately Maori, in fighting for their rights under the treaty, in a European system of ownership have now all but fully embraced this very flawed way of thinking. This in my personal opinion has been to the deteriment of one of the most beautiful and harminious parts of the Maori culture.. That Maori did not consider themselves owners of anything. More that they belonged to Rangi and Papa and were custodians of them.
      We have treaty settlements which are in effect (as put to me perfectly by an elderly Maori gentleman) where the pakeha has stolen your car and come back to say “hey look, we are sorry about that, here’s your spare tyre and thanks for being so good about it.
      But in my view it is more about giving significant sums of cash so that Maori are then locked into the system of ownership. They then use the money to consume and own and perpetuate the system. Under any system like this you will have the ‘Haves’ and the ‘Have nots’ and this can be seen in tribes that have received payouts. You have those that manage the funds on six figure salaries and you have many in the tribe living below the poverty line that have no say in what is done with the money and have seen no benefit at all.

      But the important thing is that Maori have bought into and are locked into the system. The Maori Party is a shining example of this.
      Is it right – not in my opinion.
      Are there better ways – yes
      I only hope Maori do not forget what was originally taught in place of ownership in their culture as I believe a time is coming where this way of thinking will trump ownership and be more important than ever.

    • weka 2.9

      Everyone knows Turia wants her comfy limo seat more than anything else”

      I’m also sick of seeing this line. Personally, despite being very disappointed in Turia, I still believe that she has the interests of her people at heart. Just because her actions don’t suit the left, doesn’t mean she is not genuinely trying to do what she thinks is best. I find the idea that she would trade her people for limo perks ludicrous.
      I also think the comfy limo trope is sloppy, lazy thinking. It doesn’t advance anything useful in terms of understanding Maori nor the relationship between Maori and non-Maori. Note that the trope gets used almost exclusively in reference to Maori MPs.

  3. Adele 3

    The Māori Party is only answerable to its constituency – and as far as I am aware the constituency has continued to say ‘stay.’

    Historically, Māori interests have been progressed more under National led governments than under Labour even though, up to recent times, Māori have always strongly supported Labour.

    • felix 3.1

      “The Māori Party is only answerable to its constituency – and as far as I am aware the constituency has continued to say ‘stay.’ “

      lolz whatevs, in 2011 they said it a lot more quietly and in far fewer numbers than in 2008. Ipredict that in 2014 they’ll be saying fuck right off, if not sooner.

      • just saying 3.1.1

        they’ll be saying fuck right off, if not sooner….

        Speaking of which, has ipredict started a book on the Key calling a snap election in the next 12 months? Cos I’d take a bit of that action….

        • Lanthanide

          They’ve had stocks on this for a while now:
          – Next election in 2012
          – Next election in 2013
          – Next election in 2014
          – Next election in 2015 or later

          Also a bundle of stocks for picking the quarter of 2014.

      • Anne 3.1.2

        in 2011 they said it a lot more quietly and in far fewer numbers than in 2008. Ipredict that in 2014 they’ll be saying fuck right off, if not sooner.


    • North 3.2

      Yeah, they were huge hui back in 2008 when Maori were consulted about going with National. How many people were consulted, several dozen, a few hundred ?

      The Maori Party can’t lay claim to representation of Maori generally. Five seats 2008, three seats 2011. 77,000 electorate candidate votes 2008, 34,000 in 2011.

    • Kotahi Tāne Huna 3.3

      “Māori interests have been progressed more under National led governments…”

      Like the unemployment rate, for example? Perhaps your observation is true for Māori business interests.

      • Carol 3.3.1

        It’s my understanding that the Labour Party have often supported improvement of things for Maori and influenced the dominant discourse in a positive direction.

        The National Party have tended to pick up on this once general attitudes have become more positive. The Nats have then incorporated some relevant changes in law, in a moderate way that is acceptable to the majority of Pakeha, while falling short of the original aims of the tangata whenua. Often this is done in a way that maintains the underlying dominance of the Pakeha elites.

        • marty mars

          Often this is done in a way that maintains the underlying dominance of the Pakeha elites.

          sadly carol both those parties do this, barely any difference whatsoever.

          When was the treaty signed?
          When did equality for the treaty partners occur?
          Oh dear – when will it occur?
          Oh dear again – will it occur?

          • Carol

            sadly carol both those parties do this,

            Agreed, marty mars. I would say while they are similar, Labour does do slightly more for the less well-off and marginalised from all ethnic backgrounds, than does National.

            Anyone who is critical of Labour on these grounds should also be a bit more critical of National, not say they do more for Maori.

            I was disappointed when the Clark government backed off from the “closing the gaps” policy, and stopped voting for the Labour Party altogether with their handling of the foreshore and seabed issue.

      • Adele 3.3.2


        The unemployment rate arrived with the notion of employment. When Māori were ripped from their economic base (the land) they then had to find ’employment’ aka to become slaves to an economic system that would always keep them enslaved.

        170 years of working for the man for what exactly? So that the likes of you can pontificate on how Labour has fought for the rights of Māori to clean its toilets, to mop its floors, to mend its roads to redemption.

        Of course you may argue that its the fault of Māori for being so ‘unskilled.’ Yet when we get jobs as business leaders, academics, doctors, lawyers, engineers etc we transmorph into this other native creature ‘the brown elite.’

        If successive Labour and National governments had just honoured the Treaty than Māori wouldn’t have had to depend on working for others, benefits, or Australia.

        • Lanthanide

          “If successive Labour and National governments had just honoured the Treaty than Māori wouldn’t have had to depend on working for others, benefits, or Australia.”

          In essence this sounds to me like you’re saying Maori shouldn’t have to pay taxes. If they didn’t have to pay taxes, they wouldn’t “need” to work – that’s ultimately the reason anyone “needs” money. One could then presume that the Maori that chose not to work would go back to living off the land like they used to and voluntarily give up all modern advances brought to this country (like health care and ready access to food and shelter).

          Ultimately that seems like a situation that would devolve into more “us and them” than it has now.

          • Adele


            In essence it means that if the Treaty had been honoured to its fullest extent – than Māori would have equal status in this country economically,socially, politically and morally. The situation today wouldn’t be so overwhelmingly lopsided in favour of the coloniser.

            And in terms of your dogwhistle to imperialism. We had our own systems of health and were pretty okay with the food and shelter thing too. Our race is as old as yours and was doing quite nicely without colonising interventions. In fact our greatest loss of life was through introduced diseases and weaponry.

            If you could guarantee the return of all the lands that were misappropriated, stolen, and confiscated, I am fairly sure a majority of Māori would give up their teevees, motokas and takeaways for the privilege of standing once again on their whenua.

            • Kotahi Tāne Huna

              Who knows what they would do? If Māori had more power of self-determination I don’t think it would be anyone else’s business, and that has to be “a good thing.”

            • Lanthanide

              “And in terms of your dogwhistle to imperialism.”

              No, just trying to sort out what you’re actually saying.

              “If you could guarantee the return of all the lands that were misappropriated, stolen, and confiscated, I am fairly sure a majority of Māori would give up their teevees, motokas and takeaways for the privilege of standing once again on their whenua.”

              I guess we’ll never really know if this would be the case or not.

            • Polish Pride

              Adelle – out of curiosity, which of the following would be your preference using an abstract example.
              1. All land etc taken returned to and ‘OWNED’ by Maori.
              2. All land etc not owned by anyone but all land under custodianship of Maori.
              3. All land etc not owned by anyone but all land under the custodianship of all New Zealanders based on Maori principles bf caring for and looking.

        • Kotahi Tāne Huna

          “Pontificate”? “The likes of you”? Yeah that’s right, attack the messenger, that always works.

          • Adele


            My apologies I have read your subsequent posts sorry mate.

            • Kotahi Tāne Huna

              Thank you, and thank you for your other comments too.

              What I would like to see is more universal understanding of what a “Treaty Partnership” is. Perhaps that might have some negative consequences – in the “us and them” mentality, but I hope it would also get more people to grasp the fact that this isn’t ever going to be “resolved” – it’s a relationship, not a dispute.

        • Polish Pride

          So then woulden’t a better solution for all be to shift to an alternate system that aims to free people rather than keep them enslaved….?

          • Adele

            Kiaora Polish Pride

            Enslavement takes many forms. On the one hand people might feel enslaved by their culture whereas others might find culture a liberating force. Some may feel enslaved by consumerism whereas others may enjoy the freedom to shop. What is afflicting humankind is the inability to accept diversity – not the lack of homogeneity.

    • Bored 3.4

      I have been reading your posts Adele, and I am finding some of your points hard to disagree with (which I find rather disturbing: proof I suppose that no one possesses the total truth).

      Reading Gordon McLauchlans Passionless People Revisited he comments that the Maori Renaissance was NOT led in the first instance by iwi / hapu, or traditional tribal groups BUT by urban Maori. His contention (if I read him correctly) is that the whole movement was carefully guided by the institutions of state etc into being a narrowly based property issue as opposed to a broad based social movement of the disadvantaged. Hence the “ownership” issues being made specific and settlements made in financial terms (to specific iwi). Meanwhile urban Maori got nothing and got sidelined (hence Harawira’s appeal).

      Property as can be well illustrated tends to then move into a narrower and narrower sets of hands, and tends to become closely associated to the other vested interests who own things for their advantage (over the less advantaged). Whether this applies to the iwi / hapu based Maori party I could not possibly comment: I am however deeply suspicious.

      • fnjckg 3.4.1

        nothing works like a little hegemonic worldview dissemination
        or a lot

        • Bored

          Maybe I was a little long winded, nice economic words like hegemonic and dissemination played together can be a little challenging for me….(smiley thing, how do you do them)?

      • Adele 3.4.2

        Tēnā koe Bored

        The Māori Renaissance is still occuring. I think the assessment made by the hegemonic (thank you fnjckg) is off mark and doesn’t capture the richness and complexity of the Māori response to ongoing injustice and assimilatory practises at the time.

        The Renaissance was well underway when the Urban Māori movement gained significant landmarks on the Māori horizon. UMA created an alternate terrain never before considered by traditionalists of Iwi/hapū structures. But in saying that the Iwi/hapū structures eventually accommodated this new way of being for Māori. Nowadays the understandings are very clear and there is no conflict between UMA and traditional Iwi/hapū.

        Māori have had to work within the system and while it might appear that we are being led by the nose, the reality is that we are still here, we can still claim uniqueness, our culture is still apparent and visible, and we continue to make gains – however small. Occasionally we are even prepared to go backwards to achieve long term benefits.

        There is a huge flaxroots movement that is adamantly opposed to the notion of ‘ownership’ being the overriding relationship to have with the natural world. They resent deeply how the natural world has been depersonalised, skinned and flayed into parcels, lots and productive capacity.

        Our leadership needs to be mindful of this growing sense of unease. Our leadership should be harnessing this strength of purpose.

  4. Adele 4


    The Māori Party have never claimed to represent the interests of all Māori. They continue to represent their constituency – those that belong to the party and voted for them. They don’t represent my interests but then neither does National, Labour or Mana for that matter.

    However, if push came to shove I would rather support the Māori Party than Labour – who remain in the minds of Māori the largest confiscator of Māori interests in the modern era.

    • ghostwhowalksnz 4.1

      So the foreshore and seabed is back in native title is it ? Could have fooled me !

      • Tracey 4.1.1

        Can’t be, not with National policy being that the legislation didn’t go far enough…

    • Kotahi Tāne Huna 4.2

      Just as the Labour Party is representative of those Māori who vote Labour, ditto the Greens and ACT.

    • Lightly 4.3

      The Maori Party styles itself as the Treaty partner with the Crown and it is the first Maori party to have the gall to call itself the Maori Party. It does claim to represent all Maori. It doesn’t’ represent all Maori, not even close, but it claims to.

      • Adele 4.3.1


        The Māori Party is not the Treaty party with the Crown and can never be the Treaty party with the Crown because it is part of the Crown. The Treaty partners are hapū and Iwi.

        Furthermore, no one body can represent the sum total of Māori interests. The Māori Council does not, the Kingitanga does not, the Iwi Leaders Forum, definitely not, and neither does the Māori Party represent interests that are as diverse as hapū in existence.

        • felix

          No, but it presents and positions itself as if that were the case.

          • Adele


            Who does the Māori Party present and position itself to as representing the interests of all Māori? The assumption you make is that Māori take onboard such a positioning. I suggest you go talk to the many hapū ‘out there’ for their opinions.

            I have never seen them take such a position or present themselve in such a fashion. And I come across them a fair bit in my travels throughout the motu.

            • felix

              I’ll thank you not to make unfounded assumptions about what I assume, thank you.

              • Adele


                Well don’t blow things out of your arse and call it an opinion, okay?

                • felix

                  Ok fucko, show me where I made such an assumption and I’ll apologise for calling you an arrogant dunce with a major comprehension problem.

                  • infused

                    Typical Felix style.

                    • felix

                      Typical infused comment saying nothing. At least you don’t use up all your word doing it like Adele is doing today.

                  • Adele


                    You are making claims about the Māori Party that cannot be substantiated. Have you actually even spoken to any sizeable group of Māori and gained their opinions on the matter? Armchair fucking critics – blech.

                    • felix

                      Hilarious that you accuse me of making assumptions (which you’ve again failed to identify) while making such enormous assumptions about me.

                      Like to try again or was that your best attempt? Show where I made such an assumption and I’ll show you why it isn’t.

                • Adele


                  I hate the tit for tat nature of your debates and usually I won’t engage in endless tooing and froing. However, I am sick today and I cannot think of any better way to move sputum than by engaging with you.

                  You strongly imply that the Māori Party is positioning and presenting itself as the voice for Māori. This belief obviously comes with a base assumption – i.e. that it is positioning and presenting itself to an audience.

                  I assumed you were thinking a Māori audience simply because the alternative was a Pākehā audience and I now confess to making another assumption about you in that I didn’t think you would be that stupid.

                  What benefit would accrue to the Māori Party for it to position and present itself as the voice for Māori to a Pākehā audience? Will lots of Pākehā join the Māori Party and vote for it at the next election? Will Tariana’s Limo be upgraded to a McLaren MP4-12C, will Pita Sharples be given a free gastric bypass? Will Te Ururoa be able to save Kawerau Intermediate?

                  That you try to deflect the conversation down this dead beat path speaks volumes about your small-ness. The last ten thousand words are yours.

                  • felix

                    Oh good, you’ve now jumped from attacking me for one assumption I never made or implied to attacking me for another assumption I never made or implied.

                    I don’t really give a fuck what you think anymore if you’re not smart enough to figure out the bleeding obvious.

                  • Polish Pride

                    “What benefit would accrue to the Māori Party for it to position and present itself as the voice for Māori to a Pākehā audience? Will lots of Pākehā join the Māori Party and vote for it at the next election?”

                    Most likely not. On the other hand if they took a step back and said what do the ‘people’ need and want, then used Maori cultural values as the basis for policy going forward, they may very well attract a good deal of pakeha votes. Realising that many of the goals that they want for Maori are the same for many New Zealanders can only serve to help the Maori party achieve many of their goals for maori that much faster.

                    The Maori culture is so beautiful if one is lucky enough to experience it as I have been. The problem I see is that Maori now take an exclusive ownership approach to it. e.g. The language belongs to Maori. Koru designs belong to Maori. The Haka belongs to Maori and so on. If it was given (with education) to and shared with all people of New Zealand and New Zealand could feel good about being part of it then I think the things that Maori are wanting would come much faster and receive much greater buy in from a much larger percentage of Kiwis.

                    I am concerned I am not explaining this well…. 🙁

                    A good example is when you go to the Islands (Fiji, Raro, Samoa etc) They want to share their culture with you. They want you to experience it. They want you to feel that you are part of it. I spent 10 days in Fiji and have said ‘Bula’ more times to more people than I have said Kia ora to living in New Zealand my entire life. That is very sad. But in Fiji They wanted me to be a part of it. I don’t get that feeling here with Maori Culture. The message from Maori is This is our culture you are not Maori. You have no business here. This needs to be changed, but the change needs to come from Maori.
                    Do this and you will have Pakeha wanting to look after Maori as their New Zealand brothers and sisters. Not as a group of New Zealand wanting priviledges over everyone else, as unfortunatelyfar too many kiwis now see things as.

        • Tracey

          Agreed. It would be like saying everyone who works is represented by labour, and that is patently not true.

          There is too much imposing of stereotypes and assumptions on people, both Maori and Pakeha, by both Maori and Pakeha. If the MP believe that aligning itself with National is the better path for those it serves, obviously it should walk that path. BUT people are allowed to hold the view that advancement of Maori may be better achieved through other political avenues.

          As an aside Can I just say that Maori TV has been a boon. I believe they do some of the best political analysis of issues of interest to its viewers than most journalists in NZ. I find myself enjoying their offerings more and more. There are many who said having such a channel was akin to apartheid. What tosh, but better still, just watch the channel from time to time and see what tosh it was to suggest this.

    • Tracey 4.4

      Good on you for being so passionate about who you vote for. I am interested in the specific ways National has broken new ground for Maori in NZ?

  5. Hilary 5

    Just as a point of history, Tariana got into parliament because of the Labour Party. Remember the flack Labour got when they put Tariana high on the list in the 1996 election (when Maryan Street was president)? In the 1999 election she had an even higher list placing.

    • Adele 5.1


      So you are saying that Tariana was a token Māori placed high on the list to appease white liberal guilt?

      • Tracey 5.1.1

        Isn’t it also “proof” of the respect Labour held for her as a wahine? I recall with shivers the “respect” shown for Ms Te Heu Heu by National, I think Mr Brownlee became Shadow Minister of Maori Affairs under their structure.

      • prism 5.1.2

        Do I detect a persistent skew in your comments against anyone white?

        • Tracey

          prism – that would be a very odd assumption given her support of the MP’s support of the National Party

          • Adele


            Thank you.

            Prism, no, not at all. I will ask you this in return. How do you know that your views of my views are not skewed by your position as part of the dominant culture?

            • prism

              Thanks for your kind help with my thinking.. Now I don’t know whether I’m being skewed or screwed.

          • prism

            It’s hard to make assumptions about some people’s thinking. What is behind the thinking is sometimes obscure, and intractable.

  6. Hilary 6

    No, I am saying that those compiling the Labour list especially in 1996 (including president Maryan Street and Leader Helen Clark) believed in her and wanted her in parliament and that was at considerable risk to some of the ‘traditional’ Labour vote and media backlash. (Read the papers of the time, if you don’t believe me.) They were mates. So I can’t understand why Tariana still harbours such bitterness towards them, when she seems to get on so well with the Nats.

    • Anne 6.1

      So I can’t understand why Tariana still harbours such bitterness towards them, when she seems to get on so well with the Nats.

      Well, it’s a sad thing to say Hilary, but I have to wonder if it was fundamentally due to the Labour prime minister being a woman. And what’s more, she was a prime minister who had a reputation for not putting up with… toys being thrown out of cots etc.

      • Anne 6.1.1

        I have just recalled an incident that occurred after Tariana Turia’s final meeting with Helen Clark over the F& S legislation. It took place at Vogel House. The media pack were hanging around outside the main gate and Tariana didn’t want them to see her so Helen suggested she crouch down in the back of the limousine. Some alert cameraman suspected she was in the car as it drove through the gate so he ran up close and filmed her crouched down.

        Tariana decided Helen knew what was going to happen which is absurd. Helen might be a lot of things, but she isn’t so super-human that she knows what is going to happen before it actually happens. Ever since Tariana Turia has held a massive grudge against Helen Clark and, by default, the Labour Party.

        • felix

          And Tariana is still carrying around the absurd mental image of Helen gesturing to the cameraman, pointing and mouthing the words “down here” behind Tari’s back.

          How sad. And all because she decided to be sneaky and deceptive and hide what was happening from the public.

  7. Tiger Mountain 7

    Post modernists, tory spinners and various other dare one say ‘wankers’, reckon you cannot now assume that an unemployed worker, or low paid migrant worker or Māori person will or should vote left. False consciousness (acting against your real world interests), blue skies aspiration, or last place aversion helps make this so for some.

    The neo liberal era and subsequent fallout has put people through the ideological blender to the extent of substantial societal disintegration and disengagement from active political participation. Large numbers do not vote at all. Minimum wage would now be $15 if a few thousand of this lot had got off their butts. But maybe we need text voting, imagine the security nightmare though.

    Despite the toadying and capitulation to National the Māori Party has done us one great service however–illustrating the defects of idenitity politics in a parliamentary electoral setting. “One ring to bind them” does not work, one ethnic size does not fit all situations. And it is the same for all cross class parties. Mana being the one chance to the contrary, as much of it’s activity is out in the community and it clearly does not claim to represent “all new zealanders”, just the majority of us.

    • Bored 7.1

      Tiger, check this from Cluborlov…its a satirical line on the silliness and cynical manipulation you describe…

      …….. go out and take part in the Reverse French Revolution that’s underway in the US. That’s where revolting peasants do all they can to elect an aristocrat who will swindle them out of their savings even faster and lock up even more of them in the Bastille. And what makes these peasants so revolting is that they are all fat—from eating cake instead of bread, just as Marie Antoinette had suggested.

  8. infused 8

    Good read from Adele.

  9. The ‘national’ sea has washed up over the maori party who now only represent
    the elite maori people,the maori party have been guided by the national mantra
    that ‘they know best’ in doing so will follow the nats to the edge of the cliff if
    needed over asset sales and other vile policies that they have supported.
    If they ignore the wishes of their people it will spell the end of the maori
    party as their heartland will not put them back in government,the loosing of
    3 seats last election taught the maori party nothing.
    For all hone’s past faults he is the only one that stands out to represent
    maori interests,he has matured into a credible leader for maori.

    • Bored 9.1

      Thats how I see it: to quote Mark 4.25 (always fun for a life long agnostic)…. “For whoever has, to him more shall be given; and whoever does not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him.”

      Seems to sum up the way of the world into which the MP have fallen. Also sums up what has happened to our disadvantaged groups as a consequence, Hone’s people.

      • fnjckg 9.1.1

        the way is wide,
        only the gate narrow

        though i did read this morning of “the agnostic veneer… that may be the old a theism writ large

        took moi some maturity to understand the Word/s you quote

  10. Roy 10

    “Notice how no-one’s saying ‘will they walk if the Nats ignore the Tribunal and proceed to breach the Treaty?’”

    Do we know they won’t walk? I still think ignoring the Tribunal and breaching the Treaty would be going too far.

  11. tc 11

    Some great stuff on this thread and one thing’s for sure, the hollowmen are loving this divide and rule effect while the Sideshow clown runs the diversions to create MSM fodder with euthanasia, another dance routine and the usual cavalcade of indifference and arrogance toward his duties as the PM.

  12. xtasy 12

    Truth of the matter is: The Maori Party leadership and MPs will do all to get a compromise solution between the government, the Maori Council, affected iwi and hapu, to come to some negotiated terminology acknowledging not so much a “proprietary” right to water, but a justified “interest” in water, based on Maori understanding of the significance of water in legal and wider terms.

    Then they will possibly set up a panel of sorts, or alternatively combine this with all interested parties in the Land and Water Forum, in order to “fast track” working out how water interests can be addressed.

    If a cooperation with the Land and Water Forum may prove too uncertain to achieve, if that process may be viewed as taking too long, the government will probably have a panel or board set up to deal with only the specific cases of water use for Mighty River Power in the first instance, to hammer out a “deal” to satisfy somehow the involved Maori interest groups.

    In that case the MOB asset sale program will be saved, the Maori Party will have saved their face, or even be able to present this as a “first achievement” to get water interests and rights acknowledged and settled.

    Offering shares in the power companies, or offering regular fee income to iwi and hapu may be the result, so the future water companies, half privatised, will have to offer or pay that, and the consumers will foot the bill, which will not be astronomical, but of course additional charges.

    That is my bet on this one, and that is what Sharples, Turia and Flavell have such a great interest in.

    So they are not so much worried about the privatisation and sell-off of SOE turned MOM shares, as much as getting something worked out to show off for their benefit.

    • Tim G 12.1

      Prescient stuff. Insightful and most probably correct.

      The same sort of “compromise” we saw with the FS&SB. Customary title with the ability to investigate greater claims. And no delay to the Mighty River sale.

  13. Tracey 13

    Xtasy can you just clarify, are you suggesting this water right issue for the MP is about getting a block of shares or similar cash compensation for loss of right to those water rights currently being utilised by power companies to generate profit?

    Genuine question not sarcasm.

    If that is what you mean, would that mean the MP was fighting or taking a stance for the good of Maori or for the good/benefit of a particular iwi (which is asserting water rights in a particular area)? Again not saying that is good or bad, just examining the possibilities.

    • xtasy 13.1

      The present actions of the Maori Party do suggest that they are wanting to get the government to commit themselves to show in at least an example, how it will act to satisfy Maori expectations in regards to water rights. Some negotiations can perhaps achieve that. The government is feeling the pressure of losing face and track with the main part of their set of policies being frustrated so much, that they are close to having to abandon it. I see the Maori Party leaders trying to use the momentum for their sake (i.e. the government wanting some “deal” a.s.a.p. to save their asset sales).

      If the government would not give a damn about the Waitangi Tribunals intermediate recommendations, then they do not need to talk with Maori. Turia, Sharples and Flavell must sense though, the government wants to save face and will look at “a deal” of sorts.

      Now a Key led government will not let the Maori Party push it to abandon the privatisation and asset sale plans, it will rather make some deals with local iwi. Anything else would take far too long to work out. The Land and Water Forum has been meeting, discussing and negotiating for a long time, and they are not that close to draw up a plan for the whole of NZ yet.

      So that is not an option for National and Key.

      Hence I see the Maori Party MPs prepared to first work out some settlement for local iwi that have particular interests in water that is used for generation by Mighty River Power. The way to do it is to make it an “examplary” or good “model” settlement, which can be used to apply to other kinds of local, regional – or even to some degree national solutions – down the road.

      Of course it will not just be about shares, as the “spiritual” and other significance and value of water to Maori demands additional aspects of settlement, involving also environmental protection, primary use and access rights by local iwi and hapu – and the likes. But that can be done.

      Key will though as the typical, smart, pragmatic “pakeha” business boy see things his way, and that will likely mean, “pay em off” in some ways, which means pecuniary benefits.

      If the Maori Party really do not want to fall for that, and want a long term, proper, well worked out solution and draft policy for settlements NZ wide, then they should not even bother to talk with the government now, as that would require very lengthy assessments and negotiations. Indeed they would have to wait for the Waitangi Tribunal to present their final interpretation, position and recommendations, wich are still weeks away.

      So what would you read out of all that, but what I just concluded above?

    • Tracey 14.1

      Thanks for the link, interesting read.

      Once iwi get their settlements it is over to them to decide how to use the proceeds. However, as they have often told us pakeha, our model is broken, which is why I questioned the trickle down effect of those settlements from the corporate iwi. Which is not to say that some do not have some good initiatives in place to assist their iwi, but by far and above the big focus is on assets, asset growth and return on assets in a very pakeha/corporate way. Perhaps the Pakeha way does work afterall, is that what some would now have us believe?

      • marty mars 14.1.1

        In terms of the focus on assets etc – The main reason for the focus IMO is the fear of losing it again, although the settlements were only a fraction of what was taken, and the dictates of collectivism which is all about protecting and building the putea for the children and their children. The balancing is to look after people from the past, present and future.

        • ak

          Pono, Marty. But it’s not the size of assets that matters – and as you note they’re puny – it’s how they’re used. And it’s not the overall wellbeing that affects individual circs – it’s the relativity. The Gaps.

          National smashed Closing the Gaps with deliberate racist hatemongering: and since they got in the Gaps have widened.

          Tautoko the MP for grabbing serendipity, hobbling ACT, and raising aspirations, but the “balancing” question now remains: is a slghtly larger asset worth a gaping, painful gash?

          • marty mars

            Kia ora ak

            Good points. I agree about the gaps increasing under national. I wish the MP leaders had retired gracefully because they are tainted by that, even though they got my votes before the Mana movement crystalised.

            This water question IMO will become an irresistible force against an immoveable object – I cannot see a solution that will be acceptable to any of the parties (not political). I have some fears that we have hit a line in the sand and as each position digs in we will see trench warfare. Muddy, bloody and a waste of time, resources and people. I really hope I’m wrong.

        • Tracey

          Thanks Marty. What is your “take” on the idea that the MP “stands” for water rights, insofar as it acts as a middle man/wahine to assist a compensation for particular iwi… Doesn’t that get ideological messy and fraught for the MP? Am interested in your thoughts.

          I don’t expect “all” Maori to share a single view, anymore than I expect “all” pakeha to share one. So the idea of a division as pushed by the Herald this morning is disingenuous and mischievousness, imo.

          • marty mars

            I don’t have confidence that the MP can advocate for iwi because they are too embedded in the gnats. In a perfect world perhaps a political party representing Māori could run interference for iwi but creating any pan-Māori groupings are fraught with difficulties. I don’t think the MP will survive long after the next election and my hopes for positive change for this country is the movement of Mana which via its ethos, structure and public positions offers the best chance because it is unequivically based upon the essential human right of equality.

            and I agree with you Tracey about the herald.

  14. gobsmacked 15

    So, after Key’s post-Cabinet press conference, it seems pretty clear that Key won’t delay.

    He’ll wait a week, to give the Maori Party a “consultation” facade, and probably to do some internal polling and strategising.

    Next Monday he’ll announce that the Mighty River Power sale will go ahead, as planned.

    Does he know “when to fold ’em”? Yes. It’s when you fear your opponents’ hand – or their skill at bluffing. He doesn’t have any reason to fear either the Maori Party or the Labour Party. His only concern now is the market.

    It’s quite ironic, that we’re now relying on the self-interest of naked capitalism to save our assets.

    • Tracey 15.1

      I agree he wont delay but I think he needs a week to spin the deal he is going to offer to iwi via the MP. MP will be seen to have negotiated on behalf of iwi, iwi will get some “compensation” and Key can placate his electorate by saying ” I am pragmatic, if we don’t do a deal now, our whole “vision” goes down the toilet ad taxpayer money is wasted int he courts. We are not about wasting money but about saving and paying for infrashtrusha, and we believe Maori have legitimate rights as announced by the Waitangi Tribunal. It’s time to move on I don’t intend re-litigating this matter. Anyone going to NZ Baseball “do”? I am speaking there.”

  15. jack 16

    I have to agree.. Key is a Wall Street Derivative Trader. He knew no shame when he was head of derivatives for Merrily Lynch in Europe during the 90’s. We saw the results of that in 2007. He will do his best to make a very attractive deal for the Maori Party. I can see Peter Sharples walking out of the meeting calling Key “Happy Boy”. Of course it will be at all our expense and be prepared to pay more for electricity because of this deal. Makes me sick. This is when I have to listen to Hone. He makes a good argument against the Maori party selling out.

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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Worse than I thought
    The Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Committee has reported back on the government's odious and tyrannical control orders bill. As expected, the fraudulent select committee process has made no significant changes (partly because they couldn't agree, but mostly because it was a stitch-up from the start, with no intention of ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The cannabis bill and the referendum
    Yesterday, the government released its draft Cannabis Legalisation and Control Bill, which will be put to a non-binding referendum at the next election. I'm not a drug policy expert, but Russell Brown is, and he thinks its pretty good. And pretty obviously, it will be a massive improvement on the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Hard News: The Cannabis Legalisation and Control Bill: pretty good so far
    As you're probably aware, the draft bill outlining the proposed legal cannabis regime to be put to a referendum late next year was published yesterday, and has already attracted a flurry of comment. It's notable that a good deal of the comment is about proposals that aren't actually new.A minimum ...
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Alignment
    One of the big problems in New Zealand climate change policy is the government working at cross-purposes with itself. It wants to reduce fossil fuel use, but encourages oil and gas exploration. It wants to reduce transport emissions, but then builds enormous new roads. The problem could be avoided if ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • How climate change will affect food production and security
    Climate Explained is a collaboration between The Conversation, Stuff and the New Zealand Science Media Centre to answer your questions about climate change. If you have a question you’d like an expert to answer, please send it to climate.change@stuff.co.nz According to the United Nations, food shortages are a threat ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • More bad faith
    Last year, the government announced it was ending offshore oil exploration by no longer issuing new permits. The idea was that the industry would then die off as permits expired. Except almost immediately the government revealed its bad faith, by saying they would extend permits and alter conditions to keep ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Banning foreign money from our elections
    The government has said it will ban foreign donations to political parties and candidates, and will be introducing legislation to be passed under all-stages urgency this afternoon. While I agree with the goal, I don't see a particular case for urgency, unless the government is concerned about a flood of ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Reforming the Education Acts
    The government introduced the Education and Training Bill to Parliament yesterday. Its a massive bill, which replaces both existing Education Acts, as well as various other bits of legislation (including some which are still proceeding through the House). I'll leave the serious analysis to teachers and people who actually know ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Bite-sized learning
    Amelia SharmanThere’s no one-size-fits-all when it comes to micro-credentials, those bits of bite-sized learning that can help workers stay on top of technological change.  What’s a micro-credential? While definitions vary, micro-credentials can be understood as short courses that allow people to learn new skills or have an existing competency recognised. ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • “Not The Labour Party We Once Knew.”
    All Smiles Now: Claire Szabo is taking up her presidential role after serving as the CEO of Habitat For Humanity. Which is absolutely perfect! After KiwiBuild was so comprehensively mismanaged by Phil Twyford, the party has not only elected a new president from a thoroughly respectable not-for-profit, but one who ...
    1 week ago
  • Marxist versus liberal methodology on transgender ideology/identity politics
    While much of the NZ left has transitioned to postmodern and identity politics in relation to transgender ideology, there are some very good articles about that deploy Marxist methodology in relation to this subject.  The one below is from the British marxist group Counterfire and appeared on their site here ...
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    1 week ago
  • Book review: The Farm by Joanne Ramos
    by Daphna Whitmore At Golden Oaks, a luxurious country retreat in the Hudson Valley, pregnant women have the best care money can buy. From the organic food, personalised exercise programmes, private yoga instruction and daily massages Golden Oaks looks like a country lodge for the upper class. Set some time ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Loosening the purse strings
    When Labour was running for election in 2017, it felt it needed to demonstrate "fiscal responsibility" and signed itself up to masochistic "budget responsibility rules". It was a fool's errand: the sorts of voters who demand fiscal responsibility are also the sorts of voters who believe that labour can never ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: How to get there
    Writing in Stuff, Joel MacManus looks at what we need to do to meet the Zero Carbon Act's targets. The core of it:1. Convert 85 per cent of vehicles on the road to electric. 2. Eliminate fossil fuels from all industrial heating up to 300 degrees Celsius. 3. Double our ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • anti-vaxxers in a measles epidemic: so many ways to be untruthful
    “Anti-vaxers are a pro-death movement,” those comments from Dr Helen Petousis-Harris speaking about six more Measles related deaths in Samoa over the past twenty-four hours. “Anti-vaxers are a pro-death movement,” those comments from Dr Helen Petousis-Harris speaking about six more Measles related deaths in Samoa ...
    SciBlogsBy Alison Campbell
    1 week ago
  • Is Youth Vaping a Problem in New Zealand?
    Professors Janet Hoek and Richard Edwards, Emeritus Professor Phil Gendall, Jude Ball, Dr Judith McCool, Anaru Waa, Dr Becky Freeman Recent media reports have presented conflicting evidence on youth vaping in NZ. While some NZ school principals report concerns about increasing vaping on school grounds and confiscating vapes, ASH Year ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    1 week ago
  • In pursuit of “Freedom and Democracy”: Forever Wars in “America’s backyard”.
    “America the Beautiful!”, staunch defender of democracy, freedom and… a whole lot of despotic tyrants that play nice with what is called “the Washington Consensus.” America is indeed capable of immense good, but like any Nation, and most assuredly any aspirant to the mantle of Empire, great, immense evil. All ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    1 week ago
  • November ’19 – NZ blogs sitemeter ranking
    Image credit: The beginner’s guide to blogging I notice a few regulars no longer allow public access to the site counters. This may happen accidentally when the blog format is altered. If your blog is ...
    1 week ago
  • Whodunnit? Finding the mystery 1080 testing lab
    1080 is used to control pests in NZ. Its use is contested by a noisy few. A new report claims high levels of 1080 in rats washed up on a beach. Flora and Fauna of Aotearoa (F&F) won’t name the laboratory that did their testing. It has sparked a hunt ...
    SciBlogsBy Grant Jacobs
    2 weeks ago
  • Authoritarian Friends, Democratic Enemies.
    What Kind Of Empire? The thing for Kiwis to decide is what kind of empire they want to belong to. The kind that, while offering its own citizens democratic rights, demands absolute obedience from its “friends”? Or, the kind that, while authoritarian at home, takes a relaxed attitude to the ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Boris Johnson Goes Down
    It hasn't been a good week for the Conservatives, pollwise.  All major recent polls are showing their lead shrinking.Comparing each pollster's current (between 29/11 and 22/11) and previous most recent poll.Com Res - Conservative lead down 3 points.You Gov - Conservative lead down 1 point.Kantar - Conservative lead down 4 ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Interesting
    Within quick succession, Countdown maths wizard and twitterer Rachel Riley, alleged comedian David Baddiel and prominent lawyer Andrew Julius have all expressed very similar opinions / ideas:
    These #3billboards are going round London today, organised by ex-Labour people, horrified by what their party has become. Their principles haven’t changed, they’re ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Damn the Polls
    So, there have been a bunch of bad polls out for Labour, and even the Leftie's friend, Survation, have recently given the Conservatives a rip-snorting 11% lead.  You Gov's much vaunted MRP poll - which pretty much nailed the result in 2015 - is currently predicting a comfortable majority for ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: Europe declares an emergency
    The European Parliament has voted overwhelmingly to declare a climate emergency:The European parliament has declared a global “climate and environmental emergency” as it urged all EU countries to commit to net zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050. The vote came as scientists warned that the world may have already crossed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • A Bi-Partisan Commitment To X-ing “P”.
    Pure Fear: Worse than Heroin, this drug’s addictive power was terrifying. People under its influence didn’t drift off to Elysium. Nor did it persuade inadequate individuals that they could conquer the world. No, this drug – pure crystal methamphetamine, “P” for short – unlocked the gates of Hell itself. It ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Advice about measles: when ignorance is definitely not a virtue
    As the rate of measles infection, and of deaths, continues to climb in Samoa, antivaccination activists infectious disease proponents seem intent on doubling down on their claims about vaccination. (Check pretty much any news-media FB post about measles & you’ll see exactly what I mean.) Unfortunately, some of them have ...
    SciBlogsBy Alison Campbell
    2 weeks ago
  • Samoa’s devastating measles epidemic – why and how bad?
    Samoa are experiencing a devastating measles epidemic. It is possible that 2-3% of the population will ultimately be infected by the time it is over. Hopefully the mass immunisation campaign currently under way can mitigate some of this, for many it is too late. The first question many people ask ...
    SciBlogsBy Helen Petousis Harris
    2 weeks ago
  • “It’s basic rights we are defending”: the Meghan Murphy interview
    Meghan Murphy is a Canadian writer and journalist She runs the Feminist Current website which she founded in 2012.  She was a keynote speaker for the Feminism2020 conference in Wellington this month. When Massey University cancelled the original venue booking Feminism2020 was hosted in Parliament by MP David Seymour. Meghan ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • A week of protests in Colombia
    Text and photos by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh Colombia has lived through one week of protests against the economic measures taken by president Duque. What looked like a protest that would fizzle out after its first day on November 21st is still going strong. Part of the reason for the continuance ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Anti-neutrinos–When you are your own opposite
    Around a million billion pass through you each second, almost all originating from our sun, but few of them are likely to interact with you enroute. I was reading in a physics magazine earlier in the week about the nature of neutrinos. These are extremely numerous elementary particles, but only ...
    SciBlogsBy Marcus Wilson
    2 weeks ago
  • Exoplanets, life, and the danger of a single study
    By Pallab Ghosh There’s value in covering new research advances, even when the underlying science is unsettled. But there are also risks. The recent announcement that scientists discovered water on the planet K2-18b, 110 light years away, prompted a media swoon. News stories, including a piece written by me, billed ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago
  • The Intersex Continuum
    I wrote this review a couple of years ago when I was still in the process of getting my head around the politics of transgenderism, and specifically the claim that intersex conditions lend support to the notion that sex is ‘socially constructed’. Since writing this review I have come across ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Leaving us with the bill
    Two weeks ago, Malaysian-owned oil company Tamarind declared it was insolvent and went into administration after a failed offshore drilling campaign. Tamarind apparently specialises in buying oil fields at the end of their life and trying to squeeze out the last few drops of pollution. But part of their scam ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • How much does flying contribute to climate change?
    Climate Explained is a collaboration between The Conversation, Stuff and the New Zealand Science Media Centre to answer your questions about climate change. If you have a question you’d like an expert to answer, please send it to climate.change@stuff.co.nz How much does our use of air travel contribute to the ...
    SciBlogsBy Shaun Hendy
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: The task before us
    Two weeks ago, the Zero Carbon Act became law. Right this moment, the Climate Change Commisison will be working on its initial budgets for 2022-25 and 2026-2030, and the UN has just given them a very clear steer:Countries must make an unprecedented effort to cut their levels of greenhouse gases ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Among my favourite asteroids: (2309) Mr. Spock
    Minor planet/asteroid (2309) Mr. Spock is named not for the character in Star Trek, but for a cat that was itself imperturbable, logical, intelligent and had pointed ears In a preceding blog post I introduced one of my favourite asteroids, (2472) Bradman, and also mentioned (6581) Sobers amongst a few ...
    SciBlogsBy Duncan Steel
    2 weeks ago
  • Measles deaths and antivax misinformation
    Today the death toll from measles in Samoa rose to 32. All but four of the dead were less than 5 years old. Absolutely terrible, heartbreaking, news. That statistic alone should be enough to give the lie to the common claim by antivaccination activists plague enthusiasts that “measles is a ...
    SciBlogsBy Alison Campbell
    2 weeks ago
  • Colombia: the state murder of Dilan Cruz
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh It is late here in Bogotá, almost 11.30pm on Monday the 25th of November as I write this. The day began full of hope with yet more massive marches throughout the country, a mix of the International Day of Non-Violence Against Women and the National Strike. ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Anti-fluoride propagandists appear not to read the articles they promote
    Anti-fluoride activists are rubbing their hands in glee over what they claim is “yet another study” showing fluoride harms the brains of children. But their promotion relies on IQ relationships which the paper’s authors acknowledge disappearing when outliers or other factors are considered. And they completely ignore other relationships ...
    2 weeks ago

  • New law sets up $300m Venture Capital Fund
    New Zealand firms expanding beyond the start-up phase are set for more support after today’s passage of the Venture Capital Fund Bill, Associate Finance Minister David Parker said. The Bill, which establishes a $300 million Venture Capital Fund, puts in place a key initiative of the Wellbeing Budget’s economic package. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 hours ago
  • New Zealand’s National Statement to COP25
    E ngā mana, e ngā reo, e ngā iwi, e ngā rau rangatira mā. Tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou katoa. Señora Presidenta, Excellencies, Delegates. International action A common thread that runs through the Paris Agreement is the commitment we have made to each other to do what we can to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 hours ago
  • Priorities for 2020 Wellbeing Budget outlined
    Budget 2020 will continue the Coalition Government’s focus on tackling the long-term challenges facing New Zealand while also investing to future-proof the economy. When the Government took office in 2017 it was left with crumbling infrastructure, severe underinvestment in public services, degraded rivers and lakes, a housing crisis and rising ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    9 hours ago
  • $12 billion in extra infrastructure investment
    The Government is lifting capital investment to the highest level in more than 20 years as it takes the next step to future-proof New Zealand. Finance Minister Grant Robertson has announced $12 billion of new investment, with $8 billion for specific capital projects and $4 billion to be added to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    9 hours ago
  • Strong economy, careful spending gives $12bn of surpluses
    The Government is forecast to run $12 billion worth of surpluses across the four years to 2023/24 as the economy continues to grow. The surpluses will help fund day-to-day capital requirements each year. These include fixing leaky hospitals, building new classrooms to cover population growth and take pressure off class ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    9 hours ago
  • Minister welcomes data-rich coastline mapping tool
    The Minister responsible for the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act 2011 (te Takutai Moana Act 2011), Andrew Little has welcomed the launch of an online geospatial tool that provides data-rich, dynamic coastline maps that will significantly boost research and evidence-gathering under the Act. Te Kete Kōrero a Te ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    10 hours ago
  • Chief Victims Advisor reappointed for a further two years
    The Chief Victims Advisor to Government Dr Kim McGregor, QSO, has been reappointed in her role for a further two years. Dr McGregor has held the role since it was established in November 2015. She provides independent advice to government on how to improve the criminal justice system for victims. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    11 hours ago
  • New Zealand tsunami monitoring and detection system to be established
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters and Civil Defence Minister Peeni Henare have today announced the deployment of a network of DART (Deep-ocean Assessment and Reporting of Tsunami) buoys. “New Zealand and the Pacific region are particularly vulnerable to natural disasters. It is vital we have adequate warning systems in place,” ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    11 hours ago
  • DART Buoys Announcement
    DART Buoys Announcement Aotea Wharf, 9.30am 11 December 2019   Acknowledgements Acknowledgements to Minister for Civil Defence Hon Peeni Henare also here today. White Island It is with regret that this event shadows the tragic natural disaster two days ago. The volcanic eruptions on White Island have claimed 5 lives, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    12 hours ago
  • Final steps for racing industry reform
    Racing Minister Winston Peters has welcomed the first reading of the Racing Industry Bill in parliament today. This is the second of two Bills that have been introduced this year to revitalise New Zealand’s racing industry. “Our domestic racing industry has been in serious decline.  The Government is committed to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Funding to promote New Zealand Sign Language initiatives
    Minister for Disability Issues, Carmel Sepuloni, is pleased to announce that $291,321 is to be awarded to national and local community initiatives to maintain and promote the use of New Zealand Sign Language (NZSL). “New Zealand is one of the few countries  in the world where Sign Language is an ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • How New Zealand defines and recognises veterans
    Minister for Veterans Ron Mark has announced today the Coalition Government’s initial response to work completed by the independent statutory body, the Veterans’ Advisory Board. “When Professor Ron Paterson completed his review of the Veterans’ Support Act in 2018, he made a number of recommendations, including one which I referred ...
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    1 day ago
  • Government to fund lion’s share of Ohakea water scheme
    The Government will fund the bulk of the cost of a rural water supply for the Ohakea community affected by PFAS contamination, Environment Minister David Parker announced today at a meeting of local residents. This new water scheme will provide a reliable and clean source of drinking water to the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Prime Minister statement on White Island eruption
    I have had the opportunity to be briefed on the details of the volcanic eruption of Whakaari/White Island, off the coast of Whakatane in the Bay of Plenty.  The eruption happened at 2.11pm today.  It continues to be an evolving situation.  We know that there were a number of tourists ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Govt funds $100k for weather-hit communities
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Minister of Civil Defence Peeni Henare have today confirmed initial Government support of $100,000 for communities affected by the severe weather that swept across the South Island and lower North Island over the weekend. The contribution will be made to Mayoral relief funds across the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Death of NZ High Commissioner to Cook Islands
    New Zealand's High Commissioner to the Cook Islands, Tessa Temata, died in Palmerston North over the weekend, Foreign Minister Winston Peters said today. Ms Temata, 52, had recently returned to New Zealand for medical treatment. "On behalf of the Government and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade, we extend ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Wellington rail upgrade full steam ahead
    Transport Minister Phil Twyford today announced construction is underway on Wellington commuter rail upgrades which will mean more frequent services and fewer breakdowns. The upgrades include converting the Trentham to Upper Hutt single track section to a double track, with a new signalling system, upgraded stations and level crossings, and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Defence Climate Change Implementation Plan released
    Minister of Defence Ron Mark and Minister for Climate Change James Shaw have announced the release of a Defence Climate Change Implementation Work Plan, titled Responding to the Climate Crisis: An Implementation Plan.  The plan sets out a series of recommendations based on the 2018 New Zealand Defence Assessment, The ...
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    3 days ago
  • Govt releases funding to support South Canterbury
    A medium-scale adverse event has been declared for the South Canterbury district, which will see up to $50,000 in funding made available to support farming communities which have been significantly affected by recent heavy rain and flooding in the area, says Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor. “Two weeks of solid rain ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Speech at launch of Rethinking Plastics Report
    Thank you Professor Juliet Gerrard and your team for the comprehensive and extremely helpful report and recommendations. Thank you too to all the stakeholders and interested parties who have contributed ideas and thinking to it. “Making best practice, standard practice” is a great framework for change and the action plan ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Govt pledges next steps on plastic waste
    The Government will phase out more single-use plastics following the success of its single-use plastic bag ban earlier this year and the release today of a pivotal report for dealing with waste. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has welcomed the Rethinking Plastics in Aotearoa New Zealandreport, released by her Chief Science Advisor ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • International student enrolments grow in universities and the regions
    International education continues to thrive as the Government focuses on quality over quantity, Education Minister Chris Hipkins said. The tuition revenue from international education increased to $1.16 billion last year with the average tuition fee per student increasing by $960. The total number of international students enrolled in New Zealand ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Speech to Government Economics Network 2019 Conference
    I want to talk about one of the most pressing issues in our national life: the housing crisis and the poor performance of our cities. The argument I want to make to you is that generations of urban land use policy have lacked a decent grounding in economics. The consequences ...
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    4 days ago
  • DHB leadership renewed and strengthened
    Health Minister Dr David Clark says new appointments to DHBs represent a significant changing of the guard, with 13 new chairs including four Māori chairs. Today 76 appointments have been announced to complement elected board members, as well as eight elected members appointed as either chair or deputy chair.  Four ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Tabuteau to advance New Zealand’s trade and political interests with European partners
    Parliamentary Under-Secretary for Foreign Affairs, Fletcher Tabuteau, is travelling to Germany, Poland, Austria, and Spain next week to bolster New Zealand’s political and trade relationships in Europe. While in Spain, Mr Tabuteau will represent New Zealand at the 14th Asia-Europe (ASEM) Foreign Ministers’ Meeting in Madrid. “New Zealand strongly supports ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Statement from the Prime Minister on Kris Faafoi
    “I’ve spoken to Minister Faafoi, who has apologised for his poor handling of this issue,” Jacinda Ardern said. “I have confidence in Kris as a hardworking and effective Minister, but this should have been dealt with in a much clearer manner, and I’ve made my views on that very clear ...
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    5 days ago
  • Tonga-New Zealand Joint Ministerial Forum
    Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters met with Tongan Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Pohiva Tu'i'onetoa in Wellington today. The pair signed a Statement of Partnership setting out joint priorities for cooperation out to 2023.  “We welcomed Prime Minister Tu'i'onetoa on his first visit to New Zealand as Prime Minister. Tonga ...
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    5 days ago
  • Shooting in Kurow
    The Minister of Police Stuart Nash says his sympathies are with the family of a man who died after being shot by Police in Kurow. “Initial reports are that Police were called by a family member to help the man who was threatening to harm himself,” Mr Nash says. “However ...
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    5 days ago
  • Government delivers funding boost for ethnic communities
    Ethnic communities will be able to plan and deliver more community initiatives thanks to an increase in Government funding, Minister for Ethnic Communities Hon Jenny Salesa said today. “Ensuring Aotearoa New Zealand is a place we can all be proud to call home has been a key priority of our ...
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    5 days ago
  • Govt supports Southland farmers in sustainability
    Healthier waterways, better productivity and farmer wellbeing are front and centre in a new project involving more than 1000 Southland farmers and growers. Minister of Agriculture Damien O’Connor today announced that the Thriving Southland Change and Innovation Project is the first region-wide extension programme supported by the $229 million Sustainable ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Flood of support for Top of the South catchment
    Work to look after nature and restore freshwater quality in Te Hoiere/Pelorus River catchment is getting a significant boost, thanks to new Government funding support Minister for Conservation Eugenie Sage announced in Canvastown today. “Every New Zealander should be able to swim in their local river without getting sick, and ...
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    5 days ago
  • Eight Queen’s Counsel appointed under new criterion
    Eight Queen’s Counsel have been appointed under a process that includes the new criterion of a commitment to improving access to justice, Attorney-General David Parker announced today. “The new criterion was included this year. It emphasises that excellence and leadership in the profession can be seen through a wider, community ...
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    6 days ago
  • Major expansion for Wellington’s Onslow College
    Onslow College in Wellington will get 20 new classrooms for more than 400 students, Education Minister Chris Hipkins announced today. The much-needed investment will relieve growth pressure the school has been experiencing for some time. Seven existing classrooms which have deteriorated over time will also be replaced, bringing the total ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Talented young Kiwis awarded PM’s Scholarships to Asia and Latin America
    More than 250 young New Zealanders will add international experience to their education, thanks to the latest Prime Minister’s Scholarships for Asia (PMSA) and Latin America (PMSLA), Education Minister Chris Hipkins announced today. This round of scholarships supports 252 recent graduates or current students to undertake study, research or internships ...
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    6 days ago
  • Government to improve competitiveness and transparency in the retail fuel market
    Consumers will benefit from a more competitive, transparent retail fuel market as a result of changes the Government will be making in response to the findings of the Commerce Commission’s study of the fuel sector. “We accept the Commission’s findings and, as the Prime Minister has said, we’re ready to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • More cancer medicines for more people
    Five new cancer medicines have now been funded this year, meaning thousands of people have more treatment options PHARMAC has today announced that it has approved two new medicines for funding – fulvestrant for breast cancer and olaparib for ovarian cancer. This follows earlier decisions on advanced lung cancer treatment alectinib, ...
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    7 days ago
  • Government acts to sort out electoral ‘coin toss’ problem
    The Minister of Local Government, Hon Nanaia Mahuta says the Government will consider making changes to local electoral legislation before the 2022 elections to fix the problems that have arisen where elections are settled by a coin toss.  The Minister says the recount process in the Murupara- Galatea ward at ...
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    7 days ago
  • NZ to Join IMO Convention to Reduce Ship Emissions
    New Zealand will sign up to new international maritime regulations to reduce ship emissions and lift air quality around ports and harbours, Associate Transport Minister Julie Anne Genter announced today. Subject to completion of the Parliamentary treaty examination process, New Zealand will sign up to Annex VI of MARPOL, an ...
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    1 week ago
  • Bill to empower urban development projects
    New legislation to transform our urban areas and create sustainable, inclusive and thriving communities will tomorrow be introduced to Parliament, Urban Development Minister Phil Twyford said. “The Urban Development Bill gives Kāinga Ora-Homes and Communities the tools it needs to partner with councils, communities, mana whenua and private developers to ...
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    1 week ago
  • Early Learning Action Plan to kickstart long term change
    Today’s launch of He taonga te Tamaiti: Every child a taonga: The Early Learning Action Plan 2019-2029 provides the foundation for long-lasting changes to early learning, Education Minister Chris Hipkins says.   “Early learning will be one of the Government’s top education priorities going into 2020,” Chris Hipkins said.   ...
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    1 week ago