Key and crabs

Written By: - Date published: 9:46 am, January 16th, 2008 - 51 comments
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Now I know many of us are still in holiday mode for awhile longer but did it strike anyone else as a little odd to see Mr Key speak out against someone earning their living (presumably) – wanting crab pots banned at his exclusive beach resort?

“Mr Key said residents approached him late last month concerned that a fisherman was regularly setting about 40 crab pots…Mr Key said Ministry of Fisheries officials should be able to issue “cease and desist” orders to commercial crab pots on popular beaches as a precaution against attracting sharks.

That’s despite:

“Fisheries Minister Jim Anderton saying his ministry and the Department of Conservation had told him there was no evidence crab pots attracted more sharks than would otherwise be there.”

So here is Mr Key at his exclusive beach house (story below) and fellow moneyed residents wanting to stop someone earning their daily bread? Now this is the party which is supposed to be commerce friendly isn’t it? Or is this type of commerce just small fry?

51 comments on “Key and crabs”

  1. andy 1

    YES!!

    I commented on the other thread as they used the stock photo.

    As i said strange times when Jim sounds sensible and business friendly and John wants to restrict property rights so he can have a swim…

    between the flags i hope too!

    I think Johns media minders were at the cafe when he answered that particular call from the journo! Once again he opens his mouth to change feet. This is the party of business and they want my vote.

    C- for that effort, must try harder!

  2. Camryn 2

    He seems to have been acting on concerns from the public, including several with greater than average knowledge (a lifeguard, an underwater photographer) and that’s part of a politician’s job.

    However, I agree that he was stupid to make a call for a ban that scientific evidence doesn’t support. It would’ve been smarter to call for a ban to be investigated or considered. Jim Anderton was similarly unwise from a political point-of-view to dismiss considering one.

    My main point is that I think it’s a little unfair that you’ve made it seem that he only wanted them banned at Omaha. The article says that he suggested a ban for all busy beaches. So, it seems he was driven more by a desire to improve public safety than NIMBYism.

    If you want to actually convince anybody to join you in disliking John Key, you’ll have to make convincing arguments on the basis of a reasonable and neutral interpretation of the facts. If you have to take a slanted or unreasonable view to make the story into ‘dirt’ then it convinces no-one.

  3. James Kearney 3

    Read the article, it’s pretty clearly about Omaha with only an afterthought that it may happen in other places:

    “Mr Key, who has a holiday home at Omaha”

    “His call follows an attack this week by a shark on an inflatable boat carrying two lifeguards who were trying to herd it out to sea at Omaha.”

    “They feared this would act as an invitation for feeding sharks to come to Omaha and had noticed an increase in shark reportings during the past two summers when crab pots were set.”

    “It is an accident waiting to happen and my guess is it’s not unique to Omaha. It must happen at other places.”

  4. andy 4

    Camryn:

    The train wakes me up every morning and is dangerous, can we ban that while I am on holiday too…That is the level of his argument.

    Pity no one asked the crab guy what he thought, I bet it would have started with an expletive and ended with “OFF”.

    My point is that john should STFU until he has something substantive to say cause every time he opens his yap, I like him less. Dude wants to stop another guy doing his job, in his peak season (I presume). Smells like regulation of business to me. Wrap it up in yesterdays herald and put more salt on it, but it is still what it is. a dumb thing to say from the party of Business.

    BTW I am getting splinters from this fence sitting.

  5. mike 5

    This is pretty desperate stuff guys. Why are you people so bitter about our next PM having a bach and a bit money?

  6. Sam Dixon 6

    Not surprising Key is not a fan of fishermen. As a currency speculator, he is one of the bottomfeeders of international trade.

    mike – it’s not that he has a bach or even that he got millions by expoliting currency differentials (ever wonder who lost wealth when he aquired it from playing the money markets?)… the first post from from someone who is into architecture critiquing the style of the bach, this one is showing him up as a hypocrite who looks out for himself.

  7. Kimble 7

    “Mr Key said residents approached him late last month concerned…”

    He was approached by the people living at Omaha with a concern. Of course when he is talking about it he will be refering to the original complaint. He said he wouldnt be surprised if this was also an issue elsewhere which is why it would be a national concern.

    Precisely what part of “You shouldnt throw blood into the water of beaches where people are swimming because it might attract sharks” do you have a problem with?

    He wasnt speaking out about someone earning their living, he was speaking out about real life and death concerns of worried people.

    Why are you so bigoted against anyone with money? Just look at the sneering manner in which you say, “and fellow moneyed residents”.

  8. Daveo 8

    Sam, here’s your answer:

  9. dancer 9

    i can understand why those defending Mr Key would rather this story was portrayed as envy based, but my question is on whether recreation outvotes income generation. i don’t spend much time up on the northern beaches (ok – none) but every time you enter the water there are dangers.

  10. all_your_base 10

    Not John’s first attack of NIMBYism either.

    This is the same John Key who opposed an affordable housing development in Helensville last year.

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0708/S00126.htm

  11. andy 11

    Kimble said:

    ‘He wasnt speaking out about someone earning their living, he was speaking out about real life and death concerns of worried people.’

    john key said:

    ‘National leader John Key has called for limits on commercial crab pots at popular beaches over the summer’

    greg muir said:
    ‘”I fully understand the guy has got to earn a living and has invested in his boat and his pots, but he could make his living in less popular swimming places and at other times.”

    its not the money of the residents, its a property rights issue, can 2-3 week per year residents deny the rights of a 50 week per year business? Would you be happy if it was your crab fishing fleet?

    Come on this is the stuff I criticise Labour about! Is the argument about the EFB and speech similar, one group wants to restrict the rights of another.

  12. Kimble 12

    andy, the residents are concerned with someone throwing blood into the water of a beach where a lot of people are swimming.

    It isn’t a property issue as nobody owns the property. It is about the use of public property. If you want to look at precedence then the putting down of 40 pots sounds like a more recent thing. People have been swimming at Omaha for years.

    You guys should be cheering this. You claim Key is all about business and money. Remember that is YOUR claim. So when he does anything you try to frame it in a property rights, business freedom light, just so you can call him hypocritical.

    The truth is, it’s your original assumption that is wrong. Key ISNT all about unfettered business power and capitalism. What he has done here has proven it.

    What we have here is Key saying the crabber may have a right to earn a living, but he shouldnt be able to do it at the expense of other members of society.

    Not only is he not automatically taking the side of the businessman, he is proposing that Government do something about it!

    What you are doing is exactly the same as if I was to call you lot a fan of hockey. You deny it saying that you dont like hockey. Then I call you a hypocrit for not being true to your own beleifs.

  13. Jum 13

    all_your_base

    A relative of mine in a state house was moved into one of the privately/publicly owned housing developments. She was picked for several reasons in that:

    – she is a pensioner
    – the previous house was a family house and too big for her now
    – she was an excellent tenant, who always paid her rent and kept her place neat
    – she and her husband had never been able to afford to buy a house
    – she’d always paid her taxes
    – ie all round good person who did not deserve to be thrown out of her state house and expected to find private accommodation

    They moved her into a quiet cul de sac of lovely houses and she thinks she is in heaven.

    It’s a perfect idea to have housing developments with some wealthier housing, some affordable housing and some state house tenants who have also done their bit for society and aren’t likely to turn the place into the slum John Key was intimating would happen.

    Obviously, he didn’t look at his bach plan before it got built.

  14. gobsmacked 14

    Key sees a problem, and wants the government to act, by imposing a new ban.

    Is this a) sensible, or b) Nanny State?

    Clearly the answer is a) if it’s nice National, and b) if it’s nasty Labour.

  15. Matthew Pilott 15

    It’s a perfect idea to have housing developments with some wealthier housing, some affordable housing and some state house tenants who have also done their bit for society and aren’t likely to turn the place into the slum John Key was intimating would happen.

    Well Jum, according to Key, building public housing on nice land is economic vandalism.

    Kimble, I’ll respect your argument when Key tries to stop a major business/commercial development from adversely affecting people in a very low decile area.

  16. andy 16

    kimble:

    Good point, but I disagree. There are property rights here, a fishing quota or license is a property right (that they must pay for in some fashion). There are competing interests, the clash of the commons if you will. The division of costs to residents is none vs crab guy (could be huge) and all the benefits go to the residents.

    That is why I think JK should have at least get some facts (about shark habits 🙂 ) and not shoot from the hip. He is prone to it and it is his weakness at present. hence the c-.

    Omaha is named because the americans practised ther beach landing for D-Day on Omaha, so it has a complicated history. I was there for new year!

    I never claimed that Key was for ‘unfettered business’, The Nats position themselves as the party of business and claim that labour/greens are anti business. that is obvious.

  17. Kimble 17

    andy, if they have to pay for a license then they don’t own the resources they are exploiting. As such they dont have unfettered rights to do as they please with them.

    Key is calling for the body that issues the license to be able to restrict the actions of the people that purcahse the license if it endangers other people. Seems like a fair call to me.

    He is not being anti-business. He is being pro-community.

    “The Nats position themselves as the party of business and claim that labour/greens are anti business.”

    No, the Nats are positioned as the party of business by those who think it is a bad thing.

    The Labour party was founded by the labour movement and as such has, at its heart, an us [workers] vs them [owners] attitude. The Green party is even further to the left with many communists who are admittedly anti-business.

    National is a political party for all New Zealanders. They realise that business isnt a seperate segment of society. Business describes the actions of people.

    Thats what people here dont seem to understand. Business is people.

  18. Kimble 18

    “Key sees a problem, and wants the government to act, by imposing a new ban.”

    At least get it right rtard. He wants the ministry to be able to set conditions around where and when people lay crabs pots to protect other people swimming in that area.

  19. andy 19

    Kimble said:

    ‘He is not being anti-business. He is being pro-community.’

    um but isn’t he being pro community by being anti crab guy?

    “if they have to pay for a license then they don’t own the resources they are exploiting. As such they dont have unfettered rights to do as they please with them.”

    um, he owns the right to exploit the resources commercially, how can you reconcile that with oil,gas and mineral extraction…

  20. Kimble 20

    Thats the thing about you labourites; you look at a person and you only see their level of wealth. You think that based on that little piece of information, you know everything you need to know about them.

  21. dad4justice 21

    Once again another Ministry (who are on excessive salaries – $100k plus ) have lost the plot, on what is, clearly a health and safety issue .

    John Key is correct to point the finger out to the endangered public .

  22. Kimble 22

    “but isn’t he being pro community by being anti crab guy?”

    No.

    “he owns the right to exploit the resources commercially, how can you reconcile that with oil,gas and mineral extraction.”

    Organisations that extract oil, gas and minerals have a multitude of restrictions upon their activities.

  23. andy 23

    kimble said:

    ‘Organisations that extract oil, gas and minerals have a multitude of restrictions upon their activities.’

    Yes correct, but my round about way of making a point is that Key is advocating a change in the rules about how crab guy does business. He has an existing agreement in regards his area/quota/license thingy, by changing that crab guy will suffer all the costs and consequences without much facts to prove he is a cause.

    If you restrict prior to making a contract and you accept the terms good luck, by changing the nature of that contract crab guy gets his property rights limited.

  24. Kimble 24

    You need to consider the costs of him carrying on as he has been.

  25. andy 25

    and what have they been?

    nothing, that we can prove!

  26. Tamaki Resident 26

    other “experts” are saying that the warm, calm seas are the reason for the sharks (which is probably good weather for setting crab nets as well).

  27. chris 27

    Just home after the early at fences in south Taranaki and a couple of sightings were made, not close enough to chase anyone out of the water but no doubts about the fact that there’s lots of the “blokes in the gray suits” around.

  28. Craig Ranapia 28

    *sigh* Last time I looked Omaha Beach wasn’t a private ‘resort’ and sharks don’t run credit checks before maiming and killing people.

    Sorry, Dancer, I thought it was a silly season non-story and The Standard is naturally going to reach for any stick it can find to (figuratively) beat John Key over the head with. But really… so lame it should be taken out behind the stables and shot.

  29. Kimble 29

    “and what have they been? nothing, that we can prove!”

    Cost dont have to be realised to exist. Risk is the potential of something happening. Burying a land mine in a playground will not have any cost PROVEN until some kid stands on it, but the risk, of course is still real before that happens.

    Common sense is a term that has been grossly misused of late. But surely throwing blood into the water at public beaches should be considered to add to the risk of shark attacks.

  30. andy 30

    Kimble:

    ‘throwing blood into the water at public beaches should be considered to add to the risk of shark attacks.’

    Omaha is a shallow cresent about 1.5km long, the swimming area (between the one set of flags) is at best 50m wide. I think that may be misleading at best! Its a massive space, I think the residents should get together and get a shark net!

    they should show some initiative and not try to rely on the blunt force of the state or move if they don’t like it. They are like those people who live next to eden park and complain about the rugby and cricket.

    Craig: I agree thats why I have said that john needs to keep his trap shut at times, he shot from the hip and looks slightly foolish as a result. Wouldn’t the local MP be better at this type of issue!

  31. andy 31

    captcha: inhabitants screen

  32. Matthew Pilott 32

    But really. so lame it should be taken out behind the stables and shot.

    Look Craig, I don’t like John Key either but you can’t go around wishing death and violence upon everyone you oppose.

    Seriously though, this seems to be one of the few, if only, times that JK has said something not pre-planned and scripted, so it’s interesting to see the reaction he gets, don’t you think? Not to mention worth judging the comment on its merits, or lack thereof.

    Anderton, of course, reacted like a bit of a plonker.

  33. J 33

    National is a political party for all New Zealanders.- Kimble

    Oh yeh, their track record is just so inclusive.I remember last time when ruthy richardson made the whole nation sandwiches and cakes.

    Key is allowed to be concerned but his kneejerk banning statement
    really should have been followed by a just a little bit of science .
    That’s a poor way to handle an issue for a guy who wants to lead this nation into what will be an increasingly complex future.

  34. Kimble 34

    “I think the residents should get together and get a shark net!”

    Thats a good idea. But if this is a problem at other beaches, say, in poorer areas, would you suggest the same?

  35. Kimble 35

    “Key is allowed to be concerned but his kneejerk banning statement really should have been followed by a just a little bit of science.”

    First of all, he never called for the banning of anything.

    Secondly, exactly what science do you need to figure out that sharks are attracted by blood, sharks have been known to attack people, so spreading blood where people swim may lead to an increase in the risk of a shark attack?

    Which part of this logic do you want to attack with science?

  36. andy 36

    sorry Kimble, never suggested there was a problem. Accept for crab guys property rights…

    I surf, I have seen heaps of sharks, I am very wary of them and treat them with the respect they deserve. we all should. Not try to ban some dude catching crabs for 2-3 weeks of the year like the residents want.

    The problem came from the lifeguards getting to close, the boat got bit! they need to learn a lesson from that. Not blame it on crab guy…

    I am still firmly undecided as to elction 2008!

  37. Kimble 37

    Look the efforts of one person to make money shouldnt override the safety of hundreds, if not thousands, of other people.

    In essence, this is the principle behind what Key is saying. As I said, this is something you should be applauding.

    andy, would you let a farmer move 40 beehives on the fenceline next to a primary school?

  38. andy 38

    ‘would you let a farmer move 40 beehives on the fenceline next to a primary school?’

    poor analogy! what predator eats bees and is dangerous to humans pooh bear? We have not conclusively determined that crab guy is bringing in the sharks. There may be a relationship.

    ‘Look the efforts of one person to make money shouldnt override the safety of hundreds, if not thousands, of other people.’

    so you hate capatilism?? People do it every day, just by driving to work. there is nothing to stop me running that red light except me!

    No I don’t applaud stopping crab guy from doing his job on the gut instinct of john Key and the others involved. There are sharks all around look at the herald another photo of sharks and no crab guy in sight.

    Sorry kimble agree to disagree!

  39. J 39

    “Mr Key said Ministry of Fisheries officials should be able to issue “cease and desist” orders to commercial crab pots on popular beaches as a precaution against attracting sharks. -‘

    “cease and desist” not banning according to kimbo.

    “Secondly, exactly what science do you need to figure out that sharks are attracted by blood, sharks have been known to attack people, so spreading blood where people swim “may lead” to an increase in the risk of a shark attack.”

    So science is based around what joh key and the pumkin patch guy think may happen. This is fundamental to all your “sound rightwing” assertions Kimble,
    an inability to approach any subject with intellectual rigour and depth.

  40. Craig Ranapia 40

    Not to mention worth judging the comment on its merits, or lack thereof.

    Certainly, Andy. I really thought Helen Clark’s comment about her neighbourhood coming to resemble downtown Kandahar around Guy Fawlkes was (to put it mildly) rather silly, and verging on the downright tasteless. (There might be a few Afghans who’d be royally chuffed if neighbourhood was anything like the rather pleasant corner of Mount Albert Miss Clark lives in, but that’s a whole other discussion.)

    But was that proof that Clark — and anyone else in the neighbourhood who has similar concerns — is a rich bitch NIMBY? Think that might be a rather OTT response.

    As I said, I’d be rather surprised if The Standard ever had anything complimentary to say about John Key. About the same odds as various partisan right blogs doing the same for Helen Clark.

    But really: Junping on a rather lightweight ‘silly season’ story in the New Zealand Herald for a weak attack blog post. Give me a break.

  41. Robinsod [moderator] 41

    Ah, Craig Ranapia – the blogosphere’s expert on everything. You might like to tally how many complimentary things the standard has had to say about Helen. Yes bro, the standard does some lighter posts but I’m interested you always seem to turn up to comment on how “lame” they are while avoiding the posts with more muscle. Perhaps dear Craig, you prefer not to have your intellectual pose taxed by having to address issues that may see you shown up as a fool?

  42. Matthew Pilott 42

    And for all that, Craig wrongly attributed that quote to andy.

    Craig, in an auditory sense, her neighbourhood may have resembled downtown Kandahar but no, it wasn’t the best comment.

    Contrast it with, say, JK saying that ‘frankly, the war in Iraq is over’ seeing as you are on the topic of leaders’ quotes on foreign conflicts.

    Every time he’s not scripted he cocks it up.

    I don’t recall Helen then lying to try and deflect attention of her comment, do you?

  43. andy 43

    1st try was lost…

    Craig: He he, Helen is my Local MP, it was Kandahar over my back fence! Some little bastard burnt the Plunket rooms down that night.

  44. Craig Ranapia 44

    Robinsod:

    Dear me, someone’s a little touchy at what I thought was some entirely civil and good natured criticism. I thought it was Farrar and the other tools of the right who got all catty at the merest hint of disagreement?

    As for the ‘posts with more muscle’, one of my new year’s resolutions was to try staying out of on-line pissing matches between bores of the loony left and the rabid right. They tend to be neither illuminating or entertaining, and as useful as trying to discuss theology with a fundie.

    Sorry if the truth offends, but I don’t intend to waste time or energy on faux outraged blog posts fuming that Helen Clark and Peter Davis (gasp!) own a rather more expensive house and (shock! horror!) take more overseas holidays than I do. Fair enough?

    Matthew Pilot:

    Well, in the spirit of civil blogging, I apologise to both you and Andy for the misattribution. As for the rest of you comment, it reminds me that socialist playwright George Bernard Shaw one wrote that newspapers seemed unable to distinguish between a bicycle accident and the end of civilization civilization. I doubt he’d have taken a materially different view of the political blogisphere.

  45. Robinsod 45

    Craig – I’ve gotta say mate it’s not so much what you say as the smarmy way you say it that pisses me off. I guess I’m kinda like all those folk who fucked off from Public Address after getting a whiff of your snide idiocy. Sorry mate, I know you don’t say anything really bad but there’s something about your naff mediocrity coupled with your “faux” erudition that makes my skin crawl. It’s not your fault bro, it’s me.

  46. Robinsod 46

    Oh and craig, your second and third pars constitute a non sequitur. That means that one does not logically follow the other. Sorry if the truth offends, dear.

  47. Matthew Pilott 47

    Well, in the spirit of civil blogging, I apologise to both you and Andy for the misattribution. As for the rest of you comment, it reminds me that socialist playwright George Bernard Shaw one wrote that newspapers seemed unable to distinguish between a bicycle accident and the end of civilization civilization. I doubt he’d have taken a materially different view of the political blogisphere.

    No biggie,wasn’t sure if you were actually talking to me or andy with the subsequent comment.

    I know what you mean though, something like the EFA comes along and suddenly we’re back to Zimbabwe/Stalinist USSR/The Third Reich!

  48. Phil 48

    Matthew, I see that you’re still on about the “War in Iraq is over” comment.

    Putting aside the fact that Clark and Goff have both made similar statements previously (also “unscriped cock-ups” perhaps?) I think you’ll find that, in millitary lexicon, the “War” in Iraq is indeed over – and has been for some time – while the “occupation” of Iraq is ongoing.

    Let me give you another example; If we judge WWII by the same standards as you judge Jonkey’s comment, then technically that war did not end until the last Russian troops left Berlin (in great pomp and ceremony) only a few years ago

  49. Matthew Pilott 49

    Phil, I was comparing it to a comment Helen Clark made – the most interesting thing about it is that Key lied about the context afterwards, as I mentioned.

    What you raise about military lexicon is interesting though. Given the overwhelming imbalance in forces in Iraq, the ‘war’ as you mention, was a steamrolling of regular forces, most of whom did not actually fight. The ‘occupation’ is seeing the same conflict intensity as the ‘war’, minus the Tomahawks, as there’s no major fixed targets for the US to annihilate.

    To most people, the ‘occupation’ was merely an extension of the ‘war’ and the two are indistinguishable. That might explain to you the reaction to Key’s comment.

    Do you think his minders would have let him say that, however, if they were there to protect him from himself?

  50. Matthew Pilott 50

    Hey Phil, the other day we were discussing how much time DPF spends blogging – the argument was whether he was paid to blog (I disagreed, but thought he spent a whole lot of time on it, and wondered how he could be doing any other work).

    You suggested that he set up blogs on a time release so they don’t come out all at the same time, but he’s just said “I have to suddenly fly up to Hamilton in an hour or so to help fix an IT problem. Back on last flight tonight. Doubt I will be online during that time much, so prob no more posts today.

    Wonder how he fits in his Curia contract for National 😉

  51. Phil 51

    I’m going to assume your closing question on Jonkeys “minders” is rhetorical
    =)

    In terms of war vs occupation, simply because “most” people find the two indistinguishable doesnt mean that they actually are… perhaps their understanding of the situation is the naive part, and not Jonkey’s thinking out loud. The lying about it afterward (and a general lack of straight answers) is something he’s going to have to work on; John Key is no Wintson Peters.

    As for DPF, I was only going by a comment I recall him posting some time ago… but, how much polling gets done in January anyway?

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  • If we are to avoid making the earth uninhabitable, we need to rapidly decarbonise our civilisation, and cut emissions to zero as quickly as possible. This seems like an impossible task, but its not. Pushing hard on a few technologies and trends will let us halve emissions in a decade:Greenhouse ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • A further attack on transparency
    The Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill (No 2) had part of its committee stage yesterday. its a generally tedious bill about the nitty-gritty of local government reorganisation. But it includes a clause making the Local Government Commission subject to the Ombudsmen Act, and hence the OIA. Great! Except of ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Ihumātao and Treaty settlements
    Yesterday Ihumātao's mana whenua reached a consensus that they would like their land back, and asked the government to negotiate with Fletcher's for its return. The government's response? Try and undermine that consensus, while talking about how doing anything would undermine existing Treaty settlements. The first is just more bad ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Protecting our history
    Its Suffrage Day, the 126th anniversary of women winning the right to vote (but not stand in elections) in New Zealand. And to celebrate, the government has bought Kate Sheppard's house in Christchurch:The government has bought Kate Sheppard's former home in Christchurch for more than $4 million. The Ilam villa ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Climate Change: Ostracising the coal-burners
    The UN climate summit is happening in new York next week, and unlike previous years, coal-burners and denier-states are not being invited to speak:Leading economies such as Japan and Australia will not be invited to speak at next week’s crunch UN climate change summit, as their continued support for coal ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Jojo Tamihere Salutes Herr Goff.
    Get Back Jojo! The elation in Mayor Phil Goff’s camp may be easily imagined as they watched social media light up in indignation at challenger John Tamihere’s "Sieg Heil to that" quip. Just when JT’s notoriously right-wing, sexist and homophobic stains were beginning to fade back into his ‘colourful’ past, ...
    3 days ago
  • Hard News: A fun but flawed weed documentary
    Patrick Gower is good value when he's high. Not that I've ever, you know, got stoned with him. But in the second part of his documentary Patrick Gower on Weed, he does what you'd expect in a modern weed documentary and immerses himself – first with a doctor, then a ...
    3 days ago
  • Candidate Survey: Western Bay of Plenty – Local Body Elections 2019
    We surveyed candidates on their attitudes to issues facing the Western Bay Region, find out what they think: “Closing the Gap” Tauranga, one of the area groups of Income Equality Aotearoa NZ Inc., has surveyed all candidates in the three local body elections to discover attitudes to some basic issues ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    3 days ago
  • Project Nettie calls on scientists to defend biology
    Please spread widely, and sign, to support science and rationalism over the new irrationalism sweeping universities and institutions.  PROJECT NETTIE Sexual reproduction, the generation of offspring by fusion of genetic material from two different individuals, evolved over 1 billion years ago. It is the reproductive strategy of all higher animals ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    3 days ago
  • I’m glad I don’t live in Auckland
    Just when I was thinking that Palmerston North's mayoral race (which includes a convicted child molester / public wanker and a convicted child beater) was the worst in the country, Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere opened his mouth:Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere is being slammed for using the words "sieg ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Index of Power Update, 2018-19: China #2
    We reprint below an article from the excellent website the Economics of Imperialism by Tony Norfield This is an update of the statistics for my Index of Power, using data for 2018-19 and discussing what a country’s ranking reflects. The major change is that China’s rank has shifted up and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    3 days ago
  • Climate Change: A history lesson
    Why is New Zealand climate change policy so crap? The Herald this morning has a long article on the twists and turns of climate change policy in New Zealand [paywalled / depaywall script], which shows where we've been. The short version is that the government first began worrying about this ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • What the All Blacks Mean to Us
    The All Blacks have been, for more than a century, arguably the most successful International sports team in the world. But they are more than that; even for those Kiwis who are immune to the charms of rugby (and there are more than a few), the All Blacks are ambassadors ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    4 days ago
  • No one is born into the wrong body
    A short and incredibly powerful speech from a young lesbian woman. No one is born in the wrong body. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    4 days ago
  • Contempt
    Back in June, the UK Court of Appeal ruled that that country's continued arms sales to Saudi Arabia were unlawful. So you'd expect that the UK government stopped approving them, right?Of course not:The government has apologised for breaching a court ruling against the sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Covering up the cover-up
    Yesterday NZDF officials were put on the stand about the lies they had told over Operation Burnham, making implausible claims that it was all a big mistake. But along the way, we learned they had already been put on the spot about it by a previous Defence Minister, who had ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Not as important as they think they are
    Farmers have been whining a lot lately, about the methane targets in the Zero Carbon Bill, about Canterbury's proposed nitrogen limits, and about the government's new proposals to stop them from shitting in our lakes and rivers. These policies are "throwing farmers under the tractor", they will force farmers off ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Behind Every Good Woman Should Stand – Another Good Woman.
    Alone, Alone, All, All, Alone: To argue that the Prime Minister is the victim of her advisers’ failure to keep her informed may offer Jacinda some measure of exoneration – but only at the cost of casting her as a hopeless political ingénue. A star-dusted muppet, whose only purpose is to ...
    5 days ago
  • Poor quality, poorly educated kiddie ‘Journalists’ spreading fake news
    In times of hysteria about the “World coming to an end” and “rising sea levels” so-called ‘Journalists’ who can barely spell words longer than four letters are having a ball! Though the majority of the Public have worked out that manmade climate change is nothing short of pseudo-science, and the ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    5 days ago
  • Chris Trotter on the BFD
    I don't want to give pblicity to certain parts of the internet that are better left to fester in their own irrelevance (I know, a bit like this place) but the listing of Chris Trotter as a 'author' on Cameron Slater's spinoff website, the BFD requires some explanation.Now, I don't ...
    5 days ago
  • Sex is not a spectrum
    The text below is a Twitter thread by Heather Heying that explains the essence of sexual reproduction and it long evolutionary history. She is an evolutionary biologist and a “professor-in-exile” after she and her husband, Bret Weinstein, stood up to supporters of an enforced “Day of Absence” for white staff and teachers ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    5 days ago
  • Climate Change: Trees, aviation, and offsets
    With crunch time for new Zealand climate policy approaching, most of the New Zealand media have got on board with a global reporting effort to cover the issue. There's one strand of stories today about polling and what it shows about changing public attitudes to the crisis, but the strand ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Pissing-Off The Israelis Is A High-Risk Strategy.
    Dangerous Foes: For those readers of Bowalley Road who feel disposed to dismiss any prospect of an Israeli destabilisation of New Zealand politics, the example of the United Kingdom repays close attention. Ever since the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the British Labour Party, the Israelis have sanctioned, funded and ...
    5 days ago
  • Something to go to in Wellington
    Make It 16, the youth-led campaign to lower New Zealand's voting age, is holding an official campaign launch at Parliament this Friday from 16:30. If you'd like to attend, you can register using EventBrite here. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • A founding member responds to Peace Action Wellington
    by Don Franks It was a lovely sunny Wellington afternoon with blue skies above  the beaches.  In Courtenay Place, political activists packed out a stuffy upstairs room for an important meeting. The assembled pacifists, anarchists, communists and independent young radicals of Peace Action Wellington felt the need for a mission ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    5 days ago
  • “Mistakes and errors”
    Current and former NZDF top brass are being publicly grilled this week by the hit and run inquiry over their public responses to allegations of civilian casualties. Previously, they've claimed there were no casualties, a position which led them to lie to Ministers and to the public. Now, they're saying ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • “Homosexuality is same-sex attraction and relationships, not heterosexuals with delusions of gende...
    by Rafael D. Quiles (gender-critical gay man from Puerto Rico) The writing on the wall is right in people’s faces and people just don’t see it or don’t want to. What could actually possess a heterosexual male to want to feminize himself and claim that he is a lesbian? Because ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    6 days ago
  • Trump: “Where’s my favourite dictator?”
    From the Wall Street Journal:Inside a room of the ornately decorated Hotel du Palais during last month’s Group of Seven summit in Biarritz, France, President Trump awaited a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi. Mr. Trump looked over a gathering of American and Egyptian officials and called out in ...
    6 days ago
  • Magdalen Burns, 1983-2019, fighter for women’s liberation
    by the Redline blog collective At Redline we are very saddened to hear of the death of Magdalen Burns who passed away on the morning of Friday, September 13 (British time). Magdalen was a great fighter for the rights of women in general and lesbian women in particular, a defender ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Parliament and the Executive
    The Brexit issue has certainly brought with it a series of apparently difficult constitutional issues, many of them concerning the respective roles of the executive and parliament. Most of them arise because of the unwillingness of MPs, despite their professions to the contrary, to be bound by a constitutional rarity ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • The Abigail Article; Martyn Bradbury’s Article, and My Response
    . . This blogpost is different to my usual format of reporting on issues… Since July 1011, I have blogged on a variety of political issues; near always political and/or environmental; mostly highly critical of the previous National Government. Other issues included Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and repression of ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • Police will have to wear silly Buckingham Palace hats from now on, says Police Minister
    Those close to the Police Minister believe the initiative may be the result of Nash “seeing a great deal” on AliExpress. In a move that comes seemingly out of nowhere, Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this afternoon that he expects all frontline staff to don bearskin hats, famously worn by ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • A sensible crackdown
    The government has released its Arms Legislation Bill, containing the second tranche of changes to gun laws following the March 15 massacre. And it all looks quite sensible: a national gun register, higher penalties for illegal possession and dealing, tighter restrictions on arms dealers and shooting clubs, and a shorter ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    1 week ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    1 week ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    1 week ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    1 week ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    2 weeks ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    2 weeks ago

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