Be fair to poor old tired John Key. He does not have much to say but tired old cliches. 30 minutes minus ad breaks will be say 12 minutes. Too long?
And at the end of the day, there might be just a little of fear should Kim Dot Com come up with a little something to dent Key’s claimed invincibility. And how will Armstrong et el cope with that?
Fear stalks the 9th floor of the Beehive. Wooooo!
And when David as PM reaches into the records, then what?
I’f forgotten about ads.
I figured thirty minutes would leave barely 10 minutes of “debate” from each candidate after the emceeing is done with. A couple of questions and that is it.
I have a suspicion Key, consciously or unconsciously, might want to lose this election so he can escape the sh*t storm that will follow whoever wins. Even if Key wins, he will be dogged in parliament with unanswerable question. He’s said if he loses he will retire. Dotcom would love the irony of Key fighting extradition from Hawaii!
Your very much on the money in your opinion. I hear that John Key showed signs that he was very disappointed in his invited guests at Nationals economic forum held in Whangarei yesterday. Apparently he spoke of the importance to sign off the treaty settlement with Northland iwi. He also talked of the deal with the Maori party. The mostly business audience didn’t get it which visibly annoyed Key. While the ever optimistic National party campaign manager Joyce pumped up the volume, Key gave my friend the impression he has had enough.
I would say the whole dirty politics saga and the pending Auckland town hall event put on by Dotcom is getting to him. Then if you look at having to deal with Peters or Craig and then there is Act, especially after the latest Jamie Whyte insane shotgun shopkeeper comments. Can anyone really blame him for calling it quits and jetting off to Hawaii, flagging politics altogether.
Yeah, I agree Keyster is a gonna, but he is a happy camper in Hawaii wher there stll are many sharks as similar as him, and just ready to take a bite of his torso while he goes for a swim. Halelluha.
Key is scared all right and with good reason. I have had 3 people this week raise with me that they were going to vote National but now they dont trust Key. All three were in a state of but” who do we vote for”. One at the end said she thinks she will vote NZ first, one probably would vote National the third one had no idea how they would vote. All three never mentioned Labour or the Greens as options.
So National will not want Key and Cunliffe facing off. National’s tactics will be dont russell the horses and to pray on peoples fears with the whole steady as we go line.
Cunliffe has to show that National are being quite on policy because they are hiding there real agenda. A good example is the fact that Nationals tax cut’s don’t add up National are simply behaving like a problem gambler, lies lies and more lies while spending what they cant afford with no regard for how to pay for the rent/mortgage.
This election is going to be very close the left need to be seen as solid/ dependable and sadly Russell Norman being a bit smart with trying to distance himself from Labour was actually a bit silly. I urge supporters of Labour and the Greens to NOT START ATTACKING EACH OTHER, nothing to gain by doing this only and an election to loose!
Tracey – Damn! You beat me to it with your suggestion. But I suggest just an empty chair when John Key vacates it.
But don’t do a Clint Eastwood and talk to it incessantly.
The moderator could say, ” Now Mr Ke! … Oh that’s right he had to go early. Oh well. What do you think Mr Cunliffe?”
But seriously I think it would make good TV. to leave Key’s chair there even if Norman was there . Depends who’s going to be the moderator and if the producers have enough chutzpah?
It is funny that those losing trust in Key dont connect his untrustworthiness with denigration of labour and greens. IOW hes been lying about labour and greens
If people dont want key they cannot vote for act, uf, cp, or nzf
Yup the disconnect is huge. I honestly think that Labour’s ABC club have done some serious damage not only to Labour but the left as a whole. This of coarse was assisted by Slater/Hooten /Farrar’s agenda and a more than willing MSM. Remember how Hooten thought Shearer was so good for Labour!!!!! I know Cunliffe will make a great Prime Minister and the Labour/ Green policy mix will be great for NZ. The leadership of both parties have to show they can work together and that they have all NZer’s interest at heart.
Yes Winston has this time shown his real preference of wanting a centre left coalition anyway, and like so many we are all Winsston included what dark secrets hide in NatZ bucket list anyway as they have cleverly avioded the spelling out of agendas, so next three years they would be able to say we won on our policies ad will do what the country wants us to do.
Winston is fearful as we all are this time.
Key is a deserate man cliggng onto that sinking dingy called planet key.
Unfortunately, I suspect that many on the right intend to support National by stealth. Just as long as they can say they didn’t vote for National without actually lying.
I had a friend who knew a friends mother, who knew and uncle who was related to another friend who said they made their bed and are now not voting National.
why did Key not tell you Infused that he has teamed up with the Nazi Founded elitist Group the Bilderberg Group as Prime Minister of NZ.
Are you not that inquisitive. Yes BilderBerg was founded in 1943 by the Nazi party top order as a vehicle to extend Nazi iideology after the close of WW11.
Yes I heard someone at the bus stop say they had a friend whose brother in law was considering switching his vote from National to Green – it’s all over bar the shouting (although having said that, with Norman’s recent statements indicating a possible willingness to reach an “accommodation” with National, may be not!)
Labour must return us to its roots for the common people it was born of in 1937 during the last depression- ressession.
Nats will sell our soul if they get any chance. they are without shame.
Well then give David Cunliffe the extra 30 minutes to discuss Labour policies. Just because the sulky brat won’t front up for the full hour shouldn’t mean Cunliffe has to forego the opportunity. After all, the media owes him a thing or two after the way they’ve been behaving. Show the voters David that you’re not some namby pamby who is ashamed to be man.
It certainly shows how compromised TVNZ is, they could have said 1 hour or we’ll give it all over to a Cunliffe interview and tell everyone you chickened out.
Yep, imagine if David Cunliffe had suggested truncating to 30 minutes: Both 6.00pm news’s would be leading with Cunliffe being a coward, Labour giving up, Armstrong would be calling for his resignation, blah, blah…
Saarbo-precisely.
If Cunliffe had done what Key has the journalists would be calling it a gaffe. So far what have we heard? A timid media silence.
Actually it’s more of a right wing editorial refusal to acknowledge Key’s petulant fear of exposure.
Key knows that Cunliffe has outclassed him in public debates and hopes that by slinking into the shadows and not fronting up voters will still think he’s competent.
The sad thing is that with the usual obsequious assistance from the Hoskings, Armstrongs, Watkins, Slaters and Co., he probably will get away with it and voters will be left unaware.
The National support is so edgy as is clearly Key with all the knives at his back from internal National swabbling over how Key has mucked up the Planet Key machine that he looks like a beaten man now just watch his body language man!!!
Than come Monday Kim.com will be the vehicle and the moment of truth we all will learn how Key lied to us all.
And the shock waves of this will recerberate all around the world as they will ring out Richard Nixons case happening once again.
John’s on the cusp of something but he has forgotten what it is! Russell is being tricky for what ever reason, but the real problem is, that Labour and Greens start fighting with each other as seems to be happening in some quarters. Best to spend this last weekend doing something constructive like door knocking, canvassing or phoning, there’s still plenty of people that haven’t made up their minds – it’s amazing how easy it is to discuss Labour with them and help them make up their mind. You just have to get out there and do it! David Cunliff will be a great leader, the Labour policies are fantastic and will return New Zealand to a country that cares about the people who live here. Maybe ‘ infused’ would like to give a hand this weekend, a bit of sign waving is good for you, makes you feel really one with the people with all the toots and supportive waves.
It seems that Key’s con-artisty doesn’t hold up if he can’t control the conversation, as in the tele-debate format.
But I’m still wary. Labour should assume National’s team has a strategy, and that a brief and intense attack is prepared to run out the clock before details can be addressed.
Labour could easily end up on the back foot — Having to prepare for any conceivable word-salad-question from Key, with no concise and clear line of attack against the morass of evasions.
This is the one that will stick — It’s no time to get complacent.
I think that’s sort of the point (wishful thinking notwithstanding – why wouldn’t he want to shoot for governing alone?).
In a debate both key and cunliffe will get equal screentime.
Key obviously believes that this will hurt the nats and give a boost to labour. You seem to agree with him.
Pollitical + Opinion polls globally are all manipulated when you want to learn just search goggle Polls are manipulated there are 1.4 millions sites so dont beliieve all you hear or see much less speak fool.
John Key’s decision to not participate in the so-called debate is the right one but, I suspect, hasn’t been made for the right reasons. The MSM’s attempt to reduce politics down to a form of entertainment is pernicious and has resulted in a complete arse-about-face situation where, rather than the MSN providing a service to politics, politics is now providing a service to the MSM. Rather than the MSM providing its consumers with anything like actual debate or support for the practise of democracy, it has reduced our politicians down to part-time celebs filling in space between advertisements. The lead-up to and the aftermath of the so-called debates provides seemingly endless additional copy as the punters pontificate about “who won” and “zingers” etc. In effect, the so-called debates are just the same as the polls in that the MSM is using them to manufacture content which it attempts to portray as delivering real information. The so-called debates have added no value to the wider political conversation and may even have detracted from it as blog thread after blog thread becomes cluttered with win/loss battle analogies typically seen on sports pages.
Still, having had another of my stream-of-consciousness rants, I do agree that John Key’s decision is a tactical mistake. Now is not the time to bring order to the MSM and its a matter of making the best of a bad situation. For National Ltd™, John Key has just made a bad sitiuation even worse. Nice one.
Judging by the lack of policy and of substance now from several National ministers, including today Tolley, recently Key and English and of course Perata, and laws that have made it into legislation here which give the impression that they might have been drafted north and east of us, I think that should be (Multi)National Ltd™
Heh! Wasn’t that a telling Freudian slip by John Key. Not only did it give away his actual intentions for New Zealand, it also displayed National Ltd™’s dismissive attitude to the concept of our beautiful mutual multi and bi cultural society. For John Key the word “society” is synonymous with “business” so the slip is probably understandable given his inner mercantile and all pervading belief system.
Well said Blip I hope the dull brained MSM wake up before we loose the coutry to this nasty lot of carpetbaggers and finally after all the Dirty politics saga carries on, come to our rescue…
So, the big question, given all this, that MSM need to keep asking is: what new laws do you have planned for your next term, PM? And what changes to current laws do you have planned, PM?
The usual weasel-worded reply is, of course “we have no plans to…”, but that’s hardly a credible response during an election campaign (or if he gives that response then that’s a clear mistake on his part).
So, force him (and them) to say what they will enact. We have a right to know.
By Key not releasing any solid bottom line policy platform they can come back after and say we were voted back!
Then now will proceed to sell us into slavery in after secretly signing us up to the aggressive rules of the TPPA and clamp down on free speech and workers rights and then increase taxes to pay for their pork barrel promises.
They will open all foriegn bids to buy any remaining crown assets.
This short video explains the TPPA well and although it is a US video, the issues are exactly the same for NZ. Signing the TPPA would be the worst thing for NZ. Everyone needs to know this information.
Only 30 minutes , that’s a long time when you’re facing public humiliation .
When will it end , it seems like hours , when can we go home .
These must be the thoughts going through cunliffes mind .
Key must be in shock and can’t believe his luck ,so much to talk about , the greens move to cuddle up to National has left cunliffe and the left completely impotent , the demise of labour at the hands of the greens continues .
What concerns me is the lack of real ‘General Leadership Debates’ we used to have back on the day. Disabled DLANZ think National and with the support of Labor, have monopolized the Media.
I also think these Broadcasters are playing to their Ad Makers commercial interests….my view
Regards and keep emiling
Doug Hay
Cordinator DLANZ
The TV1 guide for next Wednesday, 17th Sept, 7 pm, does show only half an hour for the leader’s debate.
Vote 2014 : 19:00 – 19:30
When you say that the PM’s office does not agree to a one hour debate, did Key give a reason why he has chickened out? I haven’t seen any news item on it.
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Be fair to poor old tired John Key. He does not have much to say but tired old cliches. 30 minutes minus ad breaks will be say 12 minutes. Too long?
And at the end of the day, there might be just a little of fear should Kim Dot Com come up with a little something to dent Key’s claimed invincibility. And how will Armstrong et el cope with that?
Fear stalks the 9th floor of the Beehive. Wooooo!
And when David as PM reaches into the records, then what?
I’f forgotten about ads.
I figured thirty minutes would leave barely 10 minutes of “debate” from each candidate after the emceeing is done with. A couple of questions and that is it.
FFS. The pm is an arse, a liar and a coward
I have a suspicion Key, consciously or unconsciously, might want to lose this election so he can escape the sh*t storm that will follow whoever wins. Even if Key wins, he will be dogged in parliament with unanswerable question. He’s said if he loses he will retire. Dotcom would love the irony of Key fighting extradition from Hawaii!
Your very much on the money in your opinion. I hear that John Key showed signs that he was very disappointed in his invited guests at Nationals economic forum held in Whangarei yesterday. Apparently he spoke of the importance to sign off the treaty settlement with Northland iwi. He also talked of the deal with the Maori party. The mostly business audience didn’t get it which visibly annoyed Key. While the ever optimistic National party campaign manager Joyce pumped up the volume, Key gave my friend the impression he has had enough.
I would say the whole dirty politics saga and the pending Auckland town hall event put on by Dotcom is getting to him. Then if you look at having to deal with Peters or Craig and then there is Act, especially after the latest Jamie Whyte insane shotgun shopkeeper comments. Can anyone really blame him for calling it quits and jetting off to Hawaii, flagging politics altogether.
Yeah, I agree Keyster is a gonna, but he is a happy camper in Hawaii wher there stll are many sharks as similar as him, and just ready to take a bite of his torso while he goes for a swim. Halelluha.
oh what shit storm it would be and those us who enjoy protesting occupy st stephens ave parnell has certain appeal
‘That is not enough John, Front up!’
30 minutes? Hardly worth bothering with.
30 minutes may prove to be too much for a rattled PM.
Key is scared all right and with good reason. I have had 3 people this week raise with me that they were going to vote National but now they dont trust Key. All three were in a state of but” who do we vote for”. One at the end said she thinks she will vote NZ first, one probably would vote National the third one had no idea how they would vote. All three never mentioned Labour or the Greens as options.
So National will not want Key and Cunliffe facing off. National’s tactics will be dont russell the horses and to pray on peoples fears with the whole steady as we go line.
Cunliffe has to show that National are being quite on policy because they are hiding there real agenda. A good example is the fact that Nationals tax cut’s don’t add up National are simply behaving like a problem gambler, lies lies and more lies while spending what they cant afford with no regard for how to pay for the rent/mortgage.
This election is going to be very close the left need to be seen as solid/ dependable and sadly Russell Norman being a bit smart with trying to distance himself from Labour was actually a bit silly. I urge supporters of Labour and the Greens to NOT START ATTACKING EACH OTHER, nothing to gain by doing this only and an election to loose!
Perhaps the other half hour could be used toadd Noman for a chat with cunliffe and hosking… As the time is booked.
Ps
Isnt this the second debate with cunners key has run from?
Tracey – Damn! You beat me to it with your suggestion. But I suggest just an empty chair when John Key vacates it.
But don’t do a Clint Eastwood and talk to it incessantly.
The moderator could say, ” Now Mr Ke! … Oh that’s right he had to go early. Oh well. What do you think Mr Cunliffe?”
But seriously I think it would make good TV. to leave Key’s chair there even if Norman was there . Depends who’s going to be the moderator and if the producers have enough chutzpah?
It is funny that those losing trust in Key dont connect his untrustworthiness with denigration of labour and greens. IOW hes been lying about labour and greens
If people dont want key they cannot vote for act, uf, cp, or nzf
Yup the disconnect is huge. I honestly think that Labour’s ABC club have done some serious damage not only to Labour but the left as a whole. This of coarse was assisted by Slater/Hooten /Farrar’s agenda and a more than willing MSM. Remember how Hooten thought Shearer was so good for Labour!!!!! I know Cunliffe will make a great Prime Minister and the Labour/ Green policy mix will be great for NZ. The leadership of both parties have to show they can work together and that they have all NZer’s interest at heart.
Very well summed up CGE.
Yes Winston has this time shown his real preference of wanting a centre left coalition anyway, and like so many we are all Winsston included what dark secrets hide in NatZ bucket list anyway as they have cleverly avioded the spelling out of agendas, so next three years they would be able to say we won on our policies ad will do what the country wants us to do.
Winston is fearful as we all are this time.
Key is a deserate man cliggng onto that sinking dingy called planet key.
This while the sharks hover around him.
Nixon number two comming along!
Unfortunately, I suspect that many on the right intend to support National by stealth. Just as long as they can say they didn’t vote for National without actually lying.
I had a friend who knew a friends mother, who knew and uncle who was related to another friend who said they made their bed and are now not voting National.
Thats not what I said at all Infused cant you read or is your comprehension level just so poor?
Just pointing out how stupid these arguments are.
Yes your argument is very stupid. But then what’s new? They always are.
“Just pointing out how stupid these arguments are.”
ere refresh your vocab
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdote
good to see you putting your no doubt expensive education to good use !
why did Key not tell you Infused that he has teamed up with the Nazi Founded elitist Group the Bilderberg Group as Prime Minister of NZ.
Are you not that inquisitive. Yes BilderBerg was founded in 1943 by the Nazi party top order as a vehicle to extend Nazi iideology after the close of WW11.
Ask key next time will you.
Yes I heard someone at the bus stop say they had a friend whose brother in law was considering switching his vote from National to Green – it’s all over bar the shouting (although having said that, with Norman’s recent statements indicating a possible willingness to reach an “accommodation” with National, may be not!)
If you want a change of govt I urge PARTY VOTE LABOUR. The Greens will be part of the new govt but not unless Labour can lead it.
Otherwise…..3 more years of National….Key….Collins….Bennett……Joyce….Slater et al
Anyone feeling nausea about that?
Exactly !! +10000000 Kat
1000000000000000000%+++++++++++++++++++++
Labour must return us to its roots for the common people it was born of in 1937 during the last depression- ressession.
Nats will sell our soul if they get any chance. they are without shame.
1000000+ Kat
Well then give David Cunliffe the extra 30 minutes to discuss Labour policies. Just because the sulky brat won’t front up for the full hour shouldn’t mean Cunliffe has to forego the opportunity. After all, the media owes him a thing or two after the way they’ve been behaving. Show the voters David that you’re not some namby pamby who is ashamed to be man.
Man up mate!
😀 Anne
Ooo, yeah, good idea, Anne.
Here here go david – go hard david!!!
“sulky brat” or temper tantrum?
It certainly shows how compromised TVNZ is, they could have said 1 hour or we’ll give it all over to a Cunliffe interview and tell everyone you chickened out.
Yep, imagine if David Cunliffe had suggested truncating to 30 minutes: Both 6.00pm news’s would be leading with Cunliffe being a coward, Labour giving up, Armstrong would be calling for his resignation, blah, blah…
clear double standards.
Saarbo-precisely.
If Cunliffe had done what Key has the journalists would be calling it a gaffe. So far what have we heard? A timid media silence.
Actually it’s more of a right wing editorial refusal to acknowledge Key’s petulant fear of exposure.
Key knows that Cunliffe has outclassed him in public debates and hopes that by slinking into the shadows and not fronting up voters will still think he’s competent.
The sad thing is that with the usual obsequious assistance from the Hoskings, Armstrongs, Watkins, Slaters and Co., he probably will get away with it and voters will be left unaware.
Doesn’t seem to affect the voters anyway. More like Labour having a cry.
Do you ever have anything intelligent to add or do you just look at poll’s all day?
Don’t worry that doesn’t need answering. I think we all know you and intelligence are pretty far removed from each other.
I hardly ever check the polls. I just like to read between the lines.
Why does John Key/National have to have one hour? Why do they have to front at all? We’ve had two already.
Because a functioning democracy requires an informed public.
All the information is out there. You hardly need a debate.
“I hardly ever check the polls. I just like to make shit up that suits my argument.”
FIFY. You’re welcome.
You can’t even get the insult right. It’s FIFTY.
You’re welcome.
http://www.internetslang.com/FIFY-meaning-definition.asp
You can’t even get that right!
will he/she come back?
who cares? 🙂
I rest my case.
What a crock infused, you talk such crap.
The National support is so edgy as is clearly Key with all the knives at his back from internal National swabbling over how Key has mucked up the Planet Key machine that he looks like a beaten man now just watch his body language man!!!
Than come Monday Kim.com will be the vehicle and the moment of truth we all will learn how Key lied to us all.
And the shock waves of this will recerberate all around the world as they will ring out Richard Nixons case happening once again.
Key needs to grow a pair and Man Up, he talks in weasel words and one liners, not alot of substance there.
That sucking sound is National’s tide going out.
John’s on the cusp of something but he has forgotten what it is! Russell is being tricky for what ever reason, but the real problem is, that Labour and Greens start fighting with each other as seems to be happening in some quarters. Best to spend this last weekend doing something constructive like door knocking, canvassing or phoning, there’s still plenty of people that haven’t made up their minds – it’s amazing how easy it is to discuss Labour with them and help them make up their mind. You just have to get out there and do it! David Cunliff will be a great leader, the Labour policies are fantastic and will return New Zealand to a country that cares about the people who live here. Maybe ‘ infused’ would like to give a hand this weekend, a bit of sign waving is good for you, makes you feel really one with the people with all the toots and supportive waves.
“John’s on the cusp of something but he has forgotten what it is!’
Hopefully he will find out on Monday at 7pm on live stream.
lol
Heather @11 100+
It seems that Key’s con-artisty doesn’t hold up if he can’t control the conversation, as in the tele-debate format.
But I’m still wary. Labour should assume National’s team has a strategy, and that a brief and intense attack is prepared to run out the clock before details can be addressed.
Labour could easily end up on the back foot — Having to prepare for any conceivable word-salad-question from Key, with no concise and clear line of attack against the morass of evasions.
This is the one that will stick — It’s no time to get complacent.
Key will be to busy sorting out Monday night, The heavy mates of Dotcom have arrived , I wonder if they are left wing
ive heard they dress on the left , does that help ?
neither left nor right; they’re anti concentrated, and un-democratic power.
They could always talk to his office for the other half hour!!
😀 Brilliant!
Office? Is THAT the polite spelling now!
Ha Ha good humour feigoa.
Just a sign he feels the election is won, why give your opposition screen time when you already have the election in the bag?
Especially given that when he has given Cunliffe any “screentime” he’s come off decidedly second-best.
lol
I think that’s sort of the point (wishful thinking notwithstanding – why wouldn’t he want to shoot for governing alone?).
In a debate both key and cunliffe will get equal screentime.
Key obviously believes that this will hurt the nats and give a boost to labour. You seem to agree with him.
As do I 🙂
+1 😈
It’s Dotcom’s revelations he doesn’t want to have to deal with in the debate.
The storyline of this campaign will make a fantastic movie, unless Warner Brothers already owns the the rights to it.
” Just another asset sale,” says Key.
Bob
Pollitical + Opinion polls globally are all manipulated when you want to learn just search goggle Polls are manipulated there are 1.4 millions sites so dont beliieve all you hear or see much less speak fool.
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John Key’s decision to not participate in the so-called debate is the right one but, I suspect, hasn’t been made for the right reasons. The MSM’s attempt to reduce politics down to a form of entertainment is pernicious and has resulted in a complete arse-about-face situation where, rather than the MSN providing a service to politics, politics is now providing a service to the MSM. Rather than the MSM providing its consumers with anything like actual debate or support for the practise of democracy, it has reduced our politicians down to part-time celebs filling in space between advertisements. The lead-up to and the aftermath of the so-called debates provides seemingly endless additional copy as the punters pontificate about “who won” and “zingers” etc. In effect, the so-called debates are just the same as the polls in that the MSM is using them to manufacture content which it attempts to portray as delivering real information. The so-called debates have added no value to the wider political conversation and may even have detracted from it as blog thread after blog thread becomes cluttered with win/loss battle analogies typically seen on sports pages.
Still, having had another of my stream-of-consciousness rants, I do agree that John Key’s decision is a tactical mistake. Now is not the time to bring order to the MSM and its a matter of making the best of a bad situation. For National Ltd™, John Key has just made a bad sitiuation even worse. Nice one.
re National Ltd™
Judging by the lack of policy and of substance now from several National ministers, including today Tolley, recently Key and English and of course Perata, and laws that have made it into legislation here which give the impression that they might have been drafted north and east of us, I think that should be (Multi)National Ltd™
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Heh! Wasn’t that a telling Freudian slip by John Key. Not only did it give away his actual intentions for New Zealand, it also displayed National Ltd™’s dismissive attitude to the concept of our beautiful mutual multi and bi cultural society. For John Key the word “society” is synonymous with “business” so the slip is probably understandable given his inner mercantile and all pervading belief system.
Well said Blip I hope the dull brained MSM wake up before we loose the coutry to this nasty lot of carpetbaggers and finally after all the Dirty politics saga carries on, come to our rescue…
So, the big question, given all this, that MSM need to keep asking is: what new laws do you have planned for your next term, PM? And what changes to current laws do you have planned, PM?
The usual weasel-worded reply is, of course “we have no plans to…”, but that’s hardly a credible response during an election campaign (or if he gives that response then that’s a clear mistake on his part).
So, force him (and them) to say what they will enact. We have a right to know.
Exactly Stever,
By Key not releasing any solid bottom line policy platform they can come back after and say we were voted back!
Then now will proceed to sell us into slavery in after secretly signing us up to the aggressive rules of the TPPA and clamp down on free speech and workers rights and then increase taxes to pay for their pork barrel promises.
They will open all foriegn bids to buy any remaining crown assets.
This short video explains the TPPA well and although it is a US video, the issues are exactly the same for NZ. Signing the TPPA would be the worst thing for NZ. Everyone needs to know this information.
http://economyincrisis.org/issues/tpp
The democratic process is not johns ,give it back i want to be fully inform..as far as i know the word democratic still exists in my world…
“dont russell the horses”
😀
Only 30 minutes , that’s a long time when you’re facing public humiliation .
When will it end , it seems like hours , when can we go home .
These must be the thoughts going through cunliffes mind .
Key must be in shock and can’t believe his luck ,so much to talk about , the greens move to cuddle up to National has left cunliffe and the left completely impotent , the demise of labour at the hands of the greens continues .
Key- its all over rover so go rove some other country to plunder shitbag!
What concerns me is the lack of real ‘General Leadership Debates’ we used to have back on the day. Disabled DLANZ think National and with the support of Labor, have monopolized the Media.
I also think these Broadcasters are playing to their Ad Makers commercial interests….my view
Regards and keep emiling
Doug Hay
Cordinator DLANZ
The TV1 guide for next Wednesday, 17th Sept, 7 pm, does show only half an hour for the leader’s debate.
Vote 2014 : 19:00 – 19:30
When you say that the PM’s office does not agree to a one hour debate, did Key give a reason why he has chickened out? I haven’t seen any news item on it.
I think I read that he thought it would not be fair.
The implication I got was to tv3 maybe.