web analytics

Key takes back seat on Labour’s big day

Written By: - Date published: 2:52 pm, April 1st, 2008 - 23 comments
Categories: john key - Tags:

Perhaps he’s still getting into the swing of things after his Aussie holiday or perhaps he just doesn’t want to take on Cullen – either way, it’s a little odd that John Key doesn’t have any oral questions in the House today.

On a day when Labour’s openly celebrating a number of policy rollouts it’s strange that Key isn’t a little more eager to front the debate.

Maybe he’s worried about being challenged on which of them he’d scrap.

23 comments on “Key takes back seat on Labour’s big day ”

  1. Matthew Pilott 1

    Maybe he thinks you don’t have to swallow a dead rat if you never mention it.

  2. rjs131 2

    Maybe he realises that no one watches parliament. Or are you suggesting taht when people consider him as their preferred PM (or equal preferred PM depending on the polls) that they have consider whether he performs/is crap in parliament?

  3. BeShakey 3

    Maybe no one watches it, but the media pay attention and their articles are influenced by the goings on at question time. Also, the TV news, which is watched by a lot of people and is influential, frequently has images of questions and answers. Key would presumably want to have the news running stories featuring him laying into the opposition. So few people watch parliament, it does influence the preferred PM standings (and the party standings) quite a lot.

  4. mike 4

    As he generally gets the better of Cullen and gets under his skin(scumbag, scumbag rich prick, envy blah blah..) I doubt he’s scared.
    Probably more to do with letting his minions do the yards while the PM is absent as she does when JK is away.

  5. infused 5

    I think Mike is on to it. Although strange. I think I’m going blind, can’t read the captcha.

  6. ridiculous 6

    Well actually this was a tactic pioneered by Helen Clark in the late 1990s. She very very rarely would ask questions in QT if Shipley was not in the House.

    One of the stated reasons, according to commentators at the time, was that Clark wanted to seem Prime Ministerial so wouldn’t question anyone other than the Prime Minister.

  7. Dan 7

    Ridiculous, you are not suggesting Key is waiting for Clark to return so that he can go head to head with Clark? He will be mincemeat!

  8. Big Bruv 8

    Clark make mincemeat of Key?…when did that ever happen?

    Clark does not need to worry though, EVERY TIME she is on the ropes she gets thrown a lifeline by the worst and most biased speaker this country has ever seen.

  9. Dan 9

    Perhaps Key is waiting to explain how he can cut the bureaucracy severely yet expect $50 a crim to pay for victim consolation payments.

  10. gobsmacked 10

    Anyone remember John Key’s very first question to Clark, after he became leader? It was on climate change. The sound of New National, keen and green.

    Funnily enough, he doesn’t ask questions about climate change policy any more. If you saw the hilarious performances on One News tonight, you’ll know why. His own MPs don’t even believe in it.

    http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/410965/1676855

  11. Razorlight 11

    Why this fascination with John Key if you truly believe he is a light weight. Why do we get post after post attacking this man that apparently doesn’t have the skills.

    John Key is a threat and you only have to see how personal Dr Cullen gets to see this.

    You dont spend this much time and energy on someone who is a light weight.

  12. lprent 12

    Razorlight – I wouldn’t take it as a personal assessment of the man. But he is a candidate for the top political job in the country. That means he is up for public scrutiny.

    If you read the top left of the main page on this blog or the About page, it explains what The Standard is about. Examining the public policies, pronouncements, and image of the leader of the main right-wing opposition falls directly into why we formed this blog. If The Standard had started earlier, then we’d have examined Shipley, Brash, English et al in the same way.

    We do examine other right-wing politicians and parties, and have been known to do those on the left as well. But the site is dedicated to looking at the issues from the views of the wider labour movement, so that is where the focus goes. The National party has not been a friend of the labour movement in the past. At present the National party appear to be throwing all of their weight behind John Key as their primary focus, so we focus there a lot.

    If the mainstream media were doing their job and seriously looking at policy rather than soundbites and headlines, then we wouldn’t have to.

    Does that answer your question?

    Lynn

    Talking about Cullen. My favourite political post this week is here. Very funny.

  13. Razorlight 13

    Mine was my a rhetorical question Lynn. My point is John Key is not a light weight.

    You rightly criticise him for being leader of the party you oppose, but a large amount of the criticism aimed at him (admitedly not by the standard but its readers) is he is a joke and a light weight in politics.

    If this was true he wouldn’t be on equal footing with Clark in the preferred PM polls, he wouldn’t make Cullens Blood boil and he wouldn’t attract all these hate posts.

    Blaming the main stream media is a silly game as well. All politicians have to deal with this. Helen Clark had a dream ride with them for years and in some quaters still does.

  14. lprent 14

    I haven’t seen any hate posts (apart from one I considered to be over the top earlier this year) here.

    That would be more like the one IrishBill described in a post here earlier this week. That was a personal attack based on the private life of a young politician.

    Even the commentators here are subject to limits. Read the Policy. We do allow considerable bounds, but it applies to comments attacking people on both the left and right on a personal basis.

    Public statements, attitudes and policies are public. I’d expect a blogs readers to pick over them frequently and offer their opinions.

    Just so long as it doesn’t descend too far into a cesspool then we really don’t care. I do strongly prefer that people actually manage to make them readable, and don’t repeat the exactly the same thing ad nauseum. I have to scan them.

    It is advisable on this site for commentators (and posters) to be prepared to back their opinions with some evidence. Otherwise you get into the problems that Jameson is having on one of the threads.

    Lynn

    footnote: On main stream media – I wasn’t referring to who had dream rides. I was referring to the msm’s predominant habit of looking at everything in a trivial shallow manner. One of the things I like about the contributors here, both posters and commentators from all directions, is that they manage to look at a lot of issues more deeply than I see in the msm. Some of the debates have thrown up some very interesting linkages.

  15. gobsmacked 15

    Razorlight: “Helen Clark had a dream ride with them for years”.

    Not as leader of the opposition. Quite the contrary. From 93-96 the media stars were Peters and Anderton. No honeymoon for Helen.

    And that, in a nutshell, is the difference. Clark struggled against negative perceptions for many years, learned from losing an election and eventually, through sheer hard work, gained widespread respect for her demonstrable competence. (And political differences apart, the same could be said of Jim Bolger).

    Whereas Key is just hoping to catch the electoral tide. If he wants the top job, he should show that he’s up to it. So far, he hasn’t.

  16. Razorlight 16

    Agreed Lynn.

    However the opening line of this thread infers John Key is incompetent, scared of Cullen and even lazy. It is written in a sarcastic, smarmy way that will hardly lead onto decent debate

    In my opinion is an attack post and really is an illusion of the person who wrote it.

  17. lprent 17

    The editors (as they are known in the database) are meant to have an opinion. The intent here is not to report the news, but for editors to comment on the news or whatever else they find interesting.

    This place operates as a collective. There is no inherent editorial policy apart from what I’m willing to tolerate as the ‘public’ name on the site. Net rules require one real person if we use our own domain name. So long as editors have a point as well as an opinion, it is clear what the point is, and they have some support for their opinion, I really don’t care. If the editors disagree enough with those limits then they could decide to run the site themselves at any time and I’d transfer the domain and server (and get more coding done). Hasn’t happened yet – but hope springs eternal.

    In this case all_your_base offered an opinion, made comment on why he had that opinion, and offered supporting evidence both as a link and verifiable facts. Fits my criteria. I wouldn’t describe it as an attack post like (for instance) Whale routinely does. It initiated a discussion with some reasonably coherent comments and side issues like this one.

    Attack posts will usually initiate flamewars with all comments attacking other commentators, or get virtually no comments at all. In the last 20 odd years around the nets I’ve seen it all before, and there is a distinct behavioural difference between attack and opinion pieces. One causes often furious and usually barely coherent responses from opponents and proponents, and the other causes irritated and usually informative responses.

    You’re welcome to express your opinion (within civilised limits), to challenge the post (but attacking the author or the site detracts from your argument and may get you banned), and in turn to get your opinion debated as well. The site is there for dialogue and a vigorous discussion is encouraged (but not flamewars).

    If people want to do the things in the brackets in the last paragraph, then they should probably find somewhere else to do them. They don’t achieve anything and annoy the people who do want debate and discussion – including me.

    The negative feedback from other posters (reflects on their posts) and the comments will tend to be self-correcting towards a better post and comment quality. I certainly prefer not to get involved unless something detracts from the site, or I see a flamewar starting, or someone comments on the the site as a whole. That is a sysop’s role.

    That is why I commented here tonight. You made a comment about the site as a whole.

    BTW: Each editor has their own distinct style. all_your_base seldom debates unlike other editors, probably because he prefers to start discussions. As an editor all_your_base tends to write short pieces that are direct to the opinion he expouses. Personally I think he admires the post style of the 100word blog, and he is getting there 🙂 But that is just my opinion.

    Lynn

    Ummm I must retain a link to this. Faster to link to it rather than repeating it once a month.

  18. Razorlight 18

    Fair enough. You can say what you like and run your blog anyway you see fit.

    But don’t expect churlish posts about John Key, someone who quite clearly is popular, to slip through without someone pointing out the stupidity of them.

    Thanks for explaining your policy on this though.

  19. Ari 19

    John Key doesn’t really have much depth to his popularity, Razorlight. It’d be much fairer to say he has stirred up some significant dissatisfaction with Clark and Cullen, and is not losing grip of it too fast.

  20. gobsmacked 20

    Critics of John Key often say that he doesn’t stand for anything. Unfair?

    Well, not according to John Key. He told TV One’s Breakfast this morning that he doesn’t actually have any personal views, but is just a “mouthpiece” for the party. You said it, John!

  21. Razorlight 21

    Ari, please provide me with a source for or some evidence to back up your assertion his support, doesn’t have much depth

  22. Phil 22

    Gobsmacked, that’s a total misrepresentation of his comments, and you know it.

    What he said was that when he makes a comment about his personal views, in the public mind it becomes “National” policy. Which, quite reasonably, shouldn’t be the case.

  23. lprent 23

    Razorlight:
    “But don’t expect churlish posts about John Key, someone who quite clearly is popular, to slip through without someone pointing out the stupidity of them. ”

    I don’t expect them to and would wish debate to happen anyway. Just don’t ascribe a single mind to this site. It doesn’t have one.

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • NZ announces a third P-3 deployment in support of UN sanctions
    The Government has deployed a Royal New Zealand Air Force P-3K2 Orion (P-3) maritime patrol aircraft to support the implementation of United Nations Security Council (UNSC) resolutions imposing sanctions against North Korea, announced Minister of Foreign Affairs Winston Peters and Minister of Defence Ron Mark. “New Zealand has long supported ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Pacific trade and development agreement a reality
    Pacific regional trade and development agreement PACER Plus will enter into force in 60 days now that the required eight countries have ratified it. Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker welcomed the announcement that the Cook Islands is the eighth nation to ratify this landmark agreement. “The agreement represents ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Securing a pipeline of teachers
    The Government is changing its approach to teacher recruitment as COVID-19 travel restrictions continue, by boosting a range of initiatives to get more Kiwis into teaching. “When we came into Government, we were faced with a teacher supply crisis,” Education Minister Chris Hipkins said. “Over the past three years, we ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Border exceptions for a small number of international students with visas
    The Government has established a new category that will allow 250 international PhD and postgraduate students to enter New Zealand and continue their studies, in the latest set of border exceptions. “The health, safety and wellbeing of people in New Zealand remains the Government’s top priority. Tight border restrictions remain ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • First COVID-19 vaccine purchase agreement signed
    The Government has signed an agreement to purchase 1.5 million COVID-19 vaccines – enough for 750,000 people – from Pfizer and BioNTech, subject to the vaccine successfully completing all clinical trials and passing regulatory approvals in New Zealand, say Research, Science and Innovation Minister Megan Woods and Health Minister Chris Hipkins. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • International statement – End-to-end encryption and public safety
    We, the undersigned, support strong encryption, which plays a crucial role in protecting personal data, privacy, intellectual property, trade secrets and cyber security.  It also serves a vital purpose in repressive states to protect journalists, human rights defenders and other vulnerable people, as stated in the 2017 resolution of the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Ministry of Defence Biodefence Assessment released
    The Ministry of Defence has today released a Defence Assessment examining Defence’s role across the spectrum of biological hazards and threats facing New Zealand. Biodefence: Preparing for a New Era of Biological Hazards and Threats looks at how the NZDF supports other agencies’ biodefence activities, and considers the context of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • New Approaches to Economic Challenges: Confronting Planetary Emergencies: OECD 9 October 2020
    New Approaches to Economic Challenges: Confronting Planetary Emergencies: OECD 9 October 2020 Hon David Parker’s response following Thomas Piketty and Esther Duflo. Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening, wherever in the world you might be. I first acknowledge the excellent thought provoking speeches of Thomas Piketty and Esther ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Kaipara Moana restoration takes next step
    A Memorandum of Understanding has been signed today at Waihāua Marae between the Crown, local iwi and councils to protect, restore and enhance the mauri of Kaipara Moana in Northland. Environment Minister David Parker signed the document on behalf of the Crown along with representatives from Ngā Maunga Whakahī, Ngāti ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • New Zealand and Uruguay unite on reducing livestock production emissions
    Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor and Uruguayan Minister of Livestock, Agriculture and Fisheries Carlos María Uriarte have welcomed the launch of a three-year project that will underpin sustainable livestock production in Uruguay, Argentina, and Costa Rica.  The project called ‘Innovation for pasture management’ is led by Uruguay’s National Institute of Agricultural ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • 3100 jobs created through marae upgrades
    Hundreds of marae throughout the country will be upgraded through investments from the Provincial Growth Fund’s refocused post COVID-19 funding to create jobs and put money into the pockets of local tradespeople and businesses, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones and Māori Development Minister Nanaia Mahuta have announced. “A total ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Health volunteers recognised in annual awards
    Health Minister Chris Hipkins has announced 9 teams and 14 individuals are the recipients of this year’s Minister of Health Volunteer Awards.  “The health volunteer awards celebrate and recognise the thousands of dedicated health sector volunteers who give many hours of their time to help other New Zealanders,” Mr Hipkins ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Community COVID-19 Fund supports Pacific recovery
    The Minister for Pacific Peoples, Aupito William Sio says a total of 264 groups and individuals have successfully applied for the Pacific Aotearoa Community COVID-19 Recovery Fund, that will support Pacific communities drive their own COVID-19 recovery strategies, initiatives, and actions. “I am keen to see this Fund support Pacific ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Community benefits from Māori apprenticeships
    Up to 50 Māori apprentices in Wellington will receive paid training to build houses for their local communities, thanks to a $2.75 million investment from the Māori Trades and Training Fund, announced Employment Minister Willie Jackson today. “This funding will enable Ngāti Toa Rangatira Incorporated to provide its Ngā Kaimahi ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Training fund supports Māori jobseekers
    Rapidly growing sectors will benefit from a $990,000 Māori Trades and Training Fund investment which will see Wellington jobseekers supported into work, announced Employment Minister Willie Jackson today. “This funding will enable Sapphire Consultants Ltd. to help up to 45 Māori jobseekers into paid training initiatives over two years through ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Ruakura Inland Port development vital infrastructure for Waikato
    The Government is investing $40 million to develop an inland port at Ruakura which will become a freight super-hub and a future business, research and residential development for the Waikato, Urban Development and Transport Minister Phil Twyford, and Māori Development Minister Nanaia Mahuta announced today. The funding has been has ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Appointments made to Defence Expert Review Group
    Defence Minister Ron Mark announced today the establishment of an Expert Review Group to review a number of aspects of the New Zealand Defence Force’s (NZDF) structure, information management and record-keeping processes.  The Expert Review Group’s work arises out of the first recommendation from the Report of the Government’s Inquiry ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • No active community cases of COVID-19
    There are no active community cases of COVID-19 remaining in the country after the last people from the recent outbreak have recovered from the virus, Health Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “This is a big milestone. New Zealanders have once again through their collective actions squashed the virus. The systems ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Clean energy upgrade for more public buildings
    More public buildings will be supported by the Government to upgrade to run on clean energy, the Minister for Climate Change James Shaw announced today. Minister Shaw announced that Lincoln and Auckland universities will receive support through the Clean-Powered Public Service Fund to replace fossil fuel boilers. Southern, Taranaki, and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Schools back donations scheme for the second year
    More schools have opted in to the donations scheme for 2021, compared to 2020 when the scheme was introduced. “The families of more than 447,000 students will be better off next year, with 94% of eligible schools and kura opting into the scheme,” Education Minister Chris Hipkins said. “This is ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Ruapehu cycle trails gets PGF boost
    The spectacular Mountains to Sea cycle trail in Ruapehu District will receive $4.6 million in funding from the Provincial Growth Fund for two additional trails, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones announced today. “This is an exciting development for the local community, and one that will provide significant economic opportunities ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Update to air border order strengthens crew requirements
    Additional measures coming into effect on Monday will boost our defence against COVID-19 entering New Zealand through the air border, Health Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “As part of our precautionary approach and strategy of constant review, we’re tightening the requirements around international aircrew,” Chris Hipkins said. The COVID-19 Public ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago
  • A true picture of Māori business activity
    A better picture of the contribution Māori businesses make to the economy will be possible with changes to the way information is collected about companies and trading enterprises. Māori Development Minister Nanaia Mahuta and Small Business Minister Stuart Nash have announced a new option for Māori enterprises who are part ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago
  • PGF funding for Taranaki projects
    The South Taranaki museum, a New Plymouth distillery and a Pasifika building firm will benefit from a Government investment totalling more than $1 million, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones says. The $1.05m in grants and loans from the Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) will help the recipients expand and create ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago
  • Fijian Language Week 2020 inspires courage and strength during COVID-19 pandemic
    The Minister for Pacific Peoples, Aupito William Sio says the theme for the 2020 Fijian Language Week reflects the strong belief by Fijians that their language and culture inspires courage and strength that is strongly needed in times of emergencies, or through a significant challenge like the global COVID-19 pandemic ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago
  • Trades training builds on iwi aspirations
    An investment of $2.025 million from the Māori Trades and Training Fund will support Māori to learn new skills while making a positive difference for their communities, announced Employment Minister Willie Jackson today. “K3 Development Limited Partnership will receive $2,025,000 for its Takitimu Tuanui apprenticeship programme, which will support the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago
  • Conservation Minister plants two millionth tree in Raglan restoration
    A long-term conservation project led by the Whaingaroa Harbour Care group in the western Waikato reaches a significant milestone this week, with the planting of the two millionth tree by the Minister of Conservation Eugenie Sage. “Planting the two millionth tree crowns 25 years of commitment and partnership involving Whaingaroa ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago
  • Seniors – our parents and grandparents
    International Older Persons Day is a chance to think about the individual older New Zealanders we know and to confront ageism, Seniors Minister Tracey Martin said today. “What happened around COVID-19 is a reminder that our over-65s are a very large and diverse group of people and we need to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago