Key takes back seat on Labour’s big day

Written By: - Date published: 2:52 pm, April 1st, 2008 - 23 comments
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Perhaps he’s still getting into the swing of things after his Aussie holiday or perhaps he just doesn’t want to take on Cullen – either way, it’s a little odd that John Key doesn’t have any oral questions in the House today.

On a day when Labour’s openly celebrating a number of policy rollouts it’s strange that Key isn’t a little more eager to front the debate.

Maybe he’s worried about being challenged on which of them he’d scrap.

23 comments on “Key takes back seat on Labour’s big day”

  1. Matthew Pilott 1

    Maybe he thinks you don’t have to swallow a dead rat if you never mention it.

  2. rjs131 2

    Maybe he realises that no one watches parliament. Or are you suggesting taht when people consider him as their preferred PM (or equal preferred PM depending on the polls) that they have consider whether he performs/is crap in parliament?

  3. BeShakey 3

    Maybe no one watches it, but the media pay attention and their articles are influenced by the goings on at question time. Also, the TV news, which is watched by a lot of people and is influential, frequently has images of questions and answers. Key would presumably want to have the news running stories featuring him laying into the opposition. So few people watch parliament, it does influence the preferred PM standings (and the party standings) quite a lot.

  4. mike 4

    As he generally gets the better of Cullen and gets under his skin(scumbag, scumbag rich prick, envy blah blah..) I doubt he’s scared.
    Probably more to do with letting his minions do the yards while the PM is absent as she does when JK is away.

  5. infused 5

    I think Mike is on to it. Although strange. I think I’m going blind, can’t read the captcha.

  6. ridiculous 6

    Well actually this was a tactic pioneered by Helen Clark in the late 1990s. She very very rarely would ask questions in QT if Shipley was not in the House.

    One of the stated reasons, according to commentators at the time, was that Clark wanted to seem Prime Ministerial so wouldn’t question anyone other than the Prime Minister.

  7. Dan 7

    Ridiculous, you are not suggesting Key is waiting for Clark to return so that he can go head to head with Clark? He will be mincemeat!

  8. Big Bruv 8

    Clark make mincemeat of Key?…when did that ever happen?

    Clark does not need to worry though, EVERY TIME she is on the ropes she gets thrown a lifeline by the worst and most biased speaker this country has ever seen.

  9. Dan 9

    Perhaps Key is waiting to explain how he can cut the bureaucracy severely yet expect $50 a crim to pay for victim consolation payments.

  10. gobsmacked 10

    Anyone remember John Key’s very first question to Clark, after he became leader? It was on climate change. The sound of New National, keen and green.

    Funnily enough, he doesn’t ask questions about climate change policy any more. If you saw the hilarious performances on One News tonight, you’ll know why. His own MPs don’t even believe in it.

    http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/410965/1676855

  11. Razorlight 11

    Why this fascination with John Key if you truly believe he is a light weight. Why do we get post after post attacking this man that apparently doesn’t have the skills.

    John Key is a threat and you only have to see how personal Dr Cullen gets to see this.

    You dont spend this much time and energy on someone who is a light weight.

  12. lprent 12

    Razorlight – I wouldn’t take it as a personal assessment of the man. But he is a candidate for the top political job in the country. That means he is up for public scrutiny.

    If you read the top left of the main page on this blog or the About page, it explains what The Standard is about. Examining the public policies, pronouncements, and image of the leader of the main right-wing opposition falls directly into why we formed this blog. If The Standard had started earlier, then we’d have examined Shipley, Brash, English et al in the same way.

    We do examine other right-wing politicians and parties, and have been known to do those on the left as well. But the site is dedicated to looking at the issues from the views of the wider labour movement, so that is where the focus goes. The National party has not been a friend of the labour movement in the past. At present the National party appear to be throwing all of their weight behind John Key as their primary focus, so we focus there a lot.

    If the mainstream media were doing their job and seriously looking at policy rather than soundbites and headlines, then we wouldn’t have to.

    Does that answer your question?

    Lynn

    Talking about Cullen. My favourite political post this week is here. Very funny.

  13. Razorlight 13

    Mine was my a rhetorical question Lynn. My point is John Key is not a light weight.

    You rightly criticise him for being leader of the party you oppose, but a large amount of the criticism aimed at him (admitedly not by the standard but its readers) is he is a joke and a light weight in politics.

    If this was true he wouldn’t be on equal footing with Clark in the preferred PM polls, he wouldn’t make Cullens Blood boil and he wouldn’t attract all these hate posts.

    Blaming the main stream media is a silly game as well. All politicians have to deal with this. Helen Clark had a dream ride with them for years and in some quaters still does.

  14. lprent 14

    I haven’t seen any hate posts (apart from one I considered to be over the top earlier this year) here.

    That would be more like the one IrishBill described in a post here earlier this week. That was a personal attack based on the private life of a young politician.

    Even the commentators here are subject to limits. Read the Policy. We do allow considerable bounds, but it applies to comments attacking people on both the left and right on a personal basis.

    Public statements, attitudes and policies are public. I’d expect a blogs readers to pick over them frequently and offer their opinions.

    Just so long as it doesn’t descend too far into a cesspool then we really don’t care. I do strongly prefer that people actually manage to make them readable, and don’t repeat the exactly the same thing ad nauseum. I have to scan them.

    It is advisable on this site for commentators (and posters) to be prepared to back their opinions with some evidence. Otherwise you get into the problems that Jameson is having on one of the threads.

    Lynn

    footnote: On main stream media – I wasn’t referring to who had dream rides. I was referring to the msm’s predominant habit of looking at everything in a trivial shallow manner. One of the things I like about the contributors here, both posters and commentators from all directions, is that they manage to look at a lot of issues more deeply than I see in the msm. Some of the debates have thrown up some very interesting linkages.

  15. gobsmacked 15

    Razorlight: “Helen Clark had a dream ride with them for years”.

    Not as leader of the opposition. Quite the contrary. From 93-96 the media stars were Peters and Anderton. No honeymoon for Helen.

    And that, in a nutshell, is the difference. Clark struggled against negative perceptions for many years, learned from losing an election and eventually, through sheer hard work, gained widespread respect for her demonstrable competence. (And political differences apart, the same could be said of Jim Bolger).

    Whereas Key is just hoping to catch the electoral tide. If he wants the top job, he should show that he’s up to it. So far, he hasn’t.

  16. Razorlight 16

    Agreed Lynn.

    However the opening line of this thread infers John Key is incompetent, scared of Cullen and even lazy. It is written in a sarcastic, smarmy way that will hardly lead onto decent debate

    In my opinion is an attack post and really is an illusion of the person who wrote it.

  17. lprent 17

    The editors (as they are known in the database) are meant to have an opinion. The intent here is not to report the news, but for editors to comment on the news or whatever else they find interesting.

    This place operates as a collective. There is no inherent editorial policy apart from what I’m willing to tolerate as the ‘public’ name on the site. Net rules require one real person if we use our own domain name. So long as editors have a point as well as an opinion, it is clear what the point is, and they have some support for their opinion, I really don’t care. If the editors disagree enough with those limits then they could decide to run the site themselves at any time and I’d transfer the domain and server (and get more coding done). Hasn’t happened yet – but hope springs eternal.

    In this case all_your_base offered an opinion, made comment on why he had that opinion, and offered supporting evidence both as a link and verifiable facts. Fits my criteria. I wouldn’t describe it as an attack post like (for instance) Whale routinely does. It initiated a discussion with some reasonably coherent comments and side issues like this one.

    Attack posts will usually initiate flamewars with all comments attacking other commentators, or get virtually no comments at all. In the last 20 odd years around the nets I’ve seen it all before, and there is a distinct behavioural difference between attack and opinion pieces. One causes often furious and usually barely coherent responses from opponents and proponents, and the other causes irritated and usually informative responses.

    You’re welcome to express your opinion (within civilised limits), to challenge the post (but attacking the author or the site detracts from your argument and may get you banned), and in turn to get your opinion debated as well. The site is there for dialogue and a vigorous discussion is encouraged (but not flamewars).

    If people want to do the things in the brackets in the last paragraph, then they should probably find somewhere else to do them. They don’t achieve anything and annoy the people who do want debate and discussion – including me.

    The negative feedback from other posters (reflects on their posts) and the comments will tend to be self-correcting towards a better post and comment quality. I certainly prefer not to get involved unless something detracts from the site, or I see a flamewar starting, or someone comments on the the site as a whole. That is a sysop’s role.

    That is why I commented here tonight. You made a comment about the site as a whole.

    BTW: Each editor has their own distinct style. all_your_base seldom debates unlike other editors, probably because he prefers to start discussions. As an editor all_your_base tends to write short pieces that are direct to the opinion he expouses. Personally I think he admires the post style of the 100word blog, and he is getting there 🙂 But that is just my opinion.

    Lynn

    Ummm I must retain a link to this. Faster to link to it rather than repeating it once a month.

  18. Razorlight 18

    Fair enough. You can say what you like and run your blog anyway you see fit.

    But don’t expect churlish posts about John Key, someone who quite clearly is popular, to slip through without someone pointing out the stupidity of them.

    Thanks for explaining your policy on this though.

  19. Ari 19

    John Key doesn’t really have much depth to his popularity, Razorlight. It’d be much fairer to say he has stirred up some significant dissatisfaction with Clark and Cullen, and is not losing grip of it too fast.

  20. gobsmacked 20

    Critics of John Key often say that he doesn’t stand for anything. Unfair?

    Well, not according to John Key. He told TV One’s Breakfast this morning that he doesn’t actually have any personal views, but is just a “mouthpiece” for the party. You said it, John!

  21. Razorlight 21

    Ari, please provide me with a source for or some evidence to back up your assertion his support, doesn’t have much depth

  22. Phil 22

    Gobsmacked, that’s a total misrepresentation of his comments, and you know it.

    What he said was that when he makes a comment about his personal views, in the public mind it becomes “National” policy. Which, quite reasonably, shouldn’t be the case.

  23. lprent 23

    Razorlight:
    “But don’t expect churlish posts about John Key, someone who quite clearly is popular, to slip through without someone pointing out the stupidity of them. ”

    I don’t expect them to and would wish debate to happen anyway. Just don’t ascribe a single mind to this site. It doesn’t have one.

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    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
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  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
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  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
    Hi there, just call me Tim.We face tough problems, and I’d like to help, because there are solutions.An Auckand District Health Board member has nominated me for as a candidate for the ADHB, because her MS-related pain and fatigue is reduced with hemp products from Rotorua.  Nothing else helped her. If I ...
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  • Good little vassals
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
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  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
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  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
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  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
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  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
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  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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  • Labour’s failure
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    2 weeks ago

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