Labour oppose visa scams – Nats would rather have the quick bucks

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1. Keith 1

   13 June 2017 at 7:47 am

   The orchestrated squealing has begun by National, ACT, etc, those fine purveyors of cheap labour, that this is racist.

   Nationals disgraceful policy of poor quality courses offered to students fleecing them of the meager resources to lure what is in essence people from third world countries, knowing full well they are here to get residency and will DO anything their employer desires to get there, has been to the eternal shame of this country.

   The difficulty for National is their modern day slaves speak out and that’s how we got to know this rort existed.

   Of course the Nats will sit there, all choir boy like pretending, as they do, that cheap labour and easy money for dodgy course providers was not the objective but hey, what’s more racist?
2. One Anonymous Bloke 2

   13 June 2017 at 7:52 am

   Didn’t the National Party just pass a law allowing them to give tax revenue directly to these thieves?

   Ah yes, they did.

   The National Party is complicit and corrupt.
3. Keith 3

   13 June 2017 at 7:53 am

   Regarding Andrew Little’s RNZ interview this morning.

   Not answering Espiners borish waste of space gotcha question on Winston Peter’s support for the policy ruined what was otherwise a good interview. And that was what Espiner wanted most of all.

   Dude, just answer the question. It turn a turd molehill into a mountain because you dodged the question. Who cares if Winston liked it? The man has taste. Turn a stupid journo bait question into positive!
   • garibaldi 3.1

     13 June 2017 at 12:20 pm

     I don’t see why any politician should answer “borish waste of space questions”(the word is actually “boorish”). This is the very reason the left doesn’t get traction in the msm. The “bigger than the game” interviewers are all out to “getcha” rather than address the topic.
   • Gabby 3.2

     13 June 2017 at 12:58 pm

     Why he couldn’t chuck ‘Winston’s entitled to his opinion’ in Spinner’s teeth I do not know. Andrew’s not the quickest thinker I suspect.
     • Matthew Whitehead 3.2.1

       13 June 2017 at 2:42 pm

       Yeah I think Andrew needs to learn that sometimes a dismissive answer is better than dodging the question.
       • Karen 3.2.1.1

         13 June 2017 at 5:43 pm

         +1
         He is hopeless at quickly shutting down this kind of question and ends up sounding dodgy. I hoped that he’d get better at this but I think he has actually got worse.
4. The Fairy Godmother 4

   13 June 2017 at 8:01 am

   This is a very big problem. Also when I knock on doors for the Labour Party in my part of Auckland there are significant amounts of people who cannot take part in the election because they are not resident. Many are students. Some of them are very angry because their training institutions are not doing enough to get them jobs so they can get work visas. Some of them have families who have sacrificed big time to raise the cash to get them over here. Many are being exploited by unscrupulous employers.. for instance working 40 hours for twenty hours pay. I think it is a mess and could easily get very nasty.
   • Gabby 4.1

     13 June 2017 at 1:03 pm

     If only the ‘providers’ set out their stalls a bit closer to their market, ie in India. Imagine the savings. And they could ‘provide’ courses tailored to their students’ environment.
5. Adrian 5

   13 June 2017 at 8:23 am

   A person who knows told me about the investigation late last year that it uncovered 204 ‘ students ‘ who had the same ‘ uncle ‘ as a sponsor. Included were the ones who wouldn’t go back.
   Tough on them to lose so much hard to get money, but a scam is a scam.
6. ianmac 6

   13 June 2017 at 9:17 am

   I think Mike Williams said yesterday that this Immigration Policy will not be the major one for the Election. As it was released this early suggests that bigger ones are yet to come.
   • The decrypter 6.1

     13 June 2017 at 9:56 am

     Hope so ianmac. Give something more to worry double dipper than just flying in his flash “airforce half ” plane.
7. Skinny 7

   13 June 2017 at 9:17 am

   Labour have hung one on National. It is a deliberate sham setup for driving down kiwi wages for their Tory shills exploiting young workers. The Indian student visa scam clearly showed that.

   Labour should setup a corruption hotline and see what comes out. Then we will see how the untouchable party really goes under public scrutiny.

   The wide reaching effects of their loose immigration policy has the public dirty on national.
8. Gosman 8

   13 June 2017 at 10:35 am

   How big are these supposed scams? Does the Labour party know this or is this just ‘gut instinct’?
   • WILD KATIPO 8.1

     13 June 2017 at 1:17 pm

     Weren’t you that nice inquiring chap who asked yesterday about ,…

     ” Where’s the evidence that the skills category is being abused at the moment ” ?…

     To which I gave you the honest advice of it being :

     ”Regularly reported on in just about all major news outlets and social services NGO’s reports ” and that , ” I find regularly keeping up with current events in the news sections a help , perhaps try that as well ” ?

     Well the internet is a wonderful thing and so is the news section. I still recommend trying it.

     Good luck and all the best.
     • Matthew Whitehead 8.1.1

       13 June 2017 at 2:44 pm

       Gosman’s new thing is just asking everyone else to do research so he can time them out on a debate while pretending to be Socrates.

       You’re not a teacher, Gosman, and therefore we’re not here just to submit homework to you. If you’re not willing to put in some effort of your own on posts people are under no obligation to do it for you.
   • One Anonymous Bloke 8.2

     13 June 2017 at 1:35 pm

     The OP mentions ‘government officials’ and the Serious Fraud Office.

     In your mind, which of these is the Labour Party?
   • Skinny 8.3

     13 June 2017 at 2:46 pm

     Well just go off this honest man;

     http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11874881

     The low wage economy some employers are using by undercutting others should not be supported by Billbot English like he has singled out some in recent times. It was a stand up joke up here he chose one of his donators. Mind you the fanboy is a slippery fellow even fooling Gower who got sucked into the sham alt news.
     • Skinny 8.3.1

       13 June 2017 at 5:18 pm

       OK Gosman/spray & wipe or cut & run if you prefer. I have found this for you.

       http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/04/truck-co-owner-says-kiwis-won-t-work.html

       So this scumbag employer who doesn’t pay market rates struggles to find truck drivers so makes every excuse under the sun. Pot heads, lazy don’t want to work.

       All bullshit he is the under cutter of the undercutters. He took over a logging truck outfit and tried dropping the drivers wages, and half them went elsewhere.

       Billbot was very lucky he never got clipped around the ear by using this shady prick as an example. And Gower the halfwit who did a lazy job reporting this missed a king hit. Semenoff has been running a migrants camp out of his depot. They live there in some micky mouse shantytown set up. If the media were halfchop in this country they would be all over it and blooding English’s nose.
   • adam 8.4

     13 June 2017 at 2:55 pm

     Gossy doing a Gosman.

     How delightfully droll.
9. Cinny 9

   13 June 2017 at 10:55 am

   Question please, is there such a thing as a ‘charter’ tertiary education facility, such as a language school that gets government funding?

   Having trouble finding the answer online, wondering if a TS reader knows please and thank you.
   • In Vino 9.1

     13 June 2017 at 11:04 pm

     Cinny – I think that they are just dodgy private enterprises, so beloved of the right-wingers. If any of them were getting Govt funding, I think that tertiary unions and enlightened educationists would have raised hell about it. I certainly hope so.
     • Cinny 9.1.1

       14 June 2017 at 11:31 am

       Thanks In Vino, I hope you are right, something doesn’t sit well with me about the whole issue, am yet to put my finger on it
10. KJT 10

    13 June 2017 at 10:58 am

    National NEED the immigration ponzi scheme to give the illusion of successful economic management.

    However, Labour are also overstating the “benefits” of immigration.

    “Skilled” immigration also allows employers to undercut wages and aviod training our own young people.

    A good case in point is my own first trade. Training and employment opportunities for New Zealanders have been non-existent, for thirty years, while employers have been able to keep it on the skills shortage list. Importing people with some rather dodgy qualifications, at times, to keep wages down.
11. Karen 11

    13 June 2017 at 12:36 pm

    Thank you for this Anthony.

    It would be nice if our media checked your post as it seems few have bothered to do their own research.
    • WILD KATIPO 11.1

      13 June 2017 at 1:21 pm

      This is why that nice young Gosman is finding it so hard to find answers and keeps having to ask questions on the issue. It just really isn’t fair that decent people like that have to go through hoops just to find the simple facts these days.
12. Bill 12

    13 June 2017 at 1:22 pm

    Shut down bogus courses. Problem solved.

    No bogus courses = no people getting ripped off and…oops – no privatisation of education and no stick to beat up on immigrants. Okay. Forget that.
    • Stuart Munro 12.1

      13 June 2017 at 3:09 pm

      There’s more to it than that unfortunately, this behavior has become deeply embedded.

      Back when I was deepsea fishing I did the tickets required for the next step, deck officer. But employers had found the lucrative exception to NZ labour laws – charters. I was never offered a step and was obliged to work for MAF as an observer. My less educated colleagues mostly committed suicide.

      And all that time employers bleated about a skills shortage.
      • Bill 12.1.1

        13 June 2017 at 8:24 pm

        Then do we agree the solution lies in identifying those loopholes that exist and closing them off? That such an exercise should be undertaken in the fields of employment as well as education or any other field they are found to exist?

        Seems to me Labour is targeting the effect or symptom rather than the (multiple) causes.
        • WILD KATIPO 12.1.1.1

          13 June 2017 at 9:01 pm

          Your right , Stuarts right and so are a whole bunch of other Labour party supporters – and now including myself in that number at least til after the election –

          By slashing immigrant numbers to give us all a breather !!!
          • Bill 12.1.1.1.1

            13 June 2017 at 9:37 pm

            🙂 Straight from UKIP book that one. Slash immigration because we need a breather to get the house in order.

            Balance Net Migration Over Five Years.

            This will still allow us to bring in the key skills we need, while giving a breathing space to public services under immense pressure.

            – UKIP
        • Stuart Munro 12.1.1.2

          13 June 2017 at 9:01 pm

          My impression is that they are not yet ready to embrace the challenge of responsible left remedial action for the ills of neoliberalism.

          Fully funding universities and prioritizing research and their local role would represent a pretty significant step for a party feeling tender from grueling MSM savaging and electoral defeats. The appearance presented thus far promises more painting over the cracks than structural reform.

          Nevertheless, Little’s pretense is better than English’s reality. Who knows, the Corbyn victory, and respectable press reception of these initial immigration matters may embolden them to the point of joined up policy.

          It would be interesting to see the vociferous pronouncers of race & gender norms directing their supposedly sensitive moral antennae to matters like the institutional exploitation of foreign students or foreign workers. Or local workers!
    • Gristle 12.2

      14 June 2017 at 3:47 pm

      Much of those low level educational programmes, that deliver foreign students into low paying jobs, are still quite expensive. The are expensive because in reality what is being sold is a NZ citizenship/residency pathway, packaged in a diploma.

      As has been shown numerous times is that being in NZ on some educational scheme is worth points – up to 25% of the amount needed to be able to stay. For this students sign up to some dodgy but expensive PTE.

      This is another example of the commons being privatised: here the commons is the NZ citizenship/residency rights. If its a good idea to sell these things (which I doubt) then it should be the government doing the charging and not some private individual.

      Close the enrichment scheme/loop hole. Use the educational resource to train locals.
      • Bill 12.2.1

        14 June 2017 at 5:23 pm

        Why not just shut down those courses that are a sham?
13. The New Student 13

    14 June 2017 at 8:32 am

    And National want to give dodgy PTEs like these more public funding, to the detriment of our public Institutions.

    And they also want to reclassify them as Independent Tertiary Establishments. Probably because of the damage inflicted upon the term PTE by these shady operators. That were permitted to flourish under National

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