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6:11 am, August 26th, 2013 - 90 comments
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Nearly 60% of New Zealanders think John Key is a liar according to the latest Fairfax-Ipsos poll. That shouldn’t be surprising given the number of times he’s been caught out being less than honest
* He lied about creating 170,000 jobs
* He lied about his secret trust
* He lied about his Tranz Rail shares
* He lied about what he knew about Dot Com
* He lied about the advice he was given on the Hobbit deal
And the lies go on and on and on.
In fact the only thing less surprising than the fact most Kiwis think John Key is a liar is that they didn’t think much of David Shearer.
The only thing less surprising is that I knew you would post this.
[lprent: just as we all knew you’d write this type of comment.
BTW: BLip’s A Honest Man? is currently this year’s all-time favourite post. It has had thousands of facebook likes, and tens of thousands page views. I’m currently anticipating that it will be the most read post of the year. It is an example of what Jon Key is not – truthful, referenced and linked. ]
Just as well Zet didn’t list all the lies, as it would take all day to load the page!
No doubt infused and chris 73 believe them all.
They’re is a dying breed though.
Where can I see this list, please?
One of BLiP’s lists is linked in the OP and in Lprent’s comment.
btw, Lynn, thanks for that about the stats on that page, really encouraging.
It is pretty freaky how much that page gets accessed. A few hundred page views on most days adds up after a while.
I only noticed it a few weeks ago when I was looking at the referrals and that was far and away the highest number of referrals from facebook.
I also took some mild amusement pointing out the number of Facebook likes to Chris Trotter as being an objective that he could aspire to. But I’m like that. 😈
But the page is getting a little old. We now have all of those wonderful retractions from the GCSB “debate” to add to the mix. I’ll have to *force* a login on BLip so he can post them himself periodically. They’re pretty valuable as reference lists
Agree (at update). Is there a way to permanently pin it on the front page? Create an eye-catching banner for it? I have it in my bookmarks… but many don’t know it exists.
I rank it right up there with Campbell’s welfare myths post.
What about a separate tab in the community area?
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And hes still the most preferred PM by a huge margin
Your chocolates are going to run out darling………
and shame on the electorate for that chris, nothing to trumpet about. How people can think someone is a liar and trust them is interesting.
He’s a politician. Throw a dart at a list of MPs in the House, pick a random name. 60% of the public will think that person is a liar.
No where else in the world do they do a ‘preferred leader poll’
Its normally yes/no approval ratings.
Ie Do you approve of how XXX is doing their job.
Considering a leader of the opposition gets only 10% of the media coverage, no wonder they rate at all
Welcome to the age of Stupid!
If the question” of “believability” AND the question of “trust” were both squarely addressed in the Fairfax-Ipsos poll there is a puzzling disconnect here.
We need to know the exact wording of any/all question(s) asked. Further, if both aspects were addressed, we need to see how they were juxtaposed.
Without that information I suspect that responses to any “strong and effective leader” enquiry were not more than relative expressions as between Key and Shearer.
If that is the case Key really is in trouble. If that is not the case then what of the much vaunted “higher standards” ?
Perhaps Vernon Small would be good enough to furnish detail rather than give us broad brush. Particularly given that from the moment Shearer resigned the relativites as between Key and Shearer became irrelevant.
Key isn’t trusted personally anymore, but Kiwis still trust him to run the country.
We need to make him look incompetent, not just dodgy. He’ll only lose when Kiwis think Labour’s leader will run the country better than Key.
Interesting that they trust his financial management… when English is Minister of Finance.
Add also that being a currency trader has nothing to do with financial management. This is why John Key only knows 1) how to make deals and 2) lie… in order to secure said deals.
Hammering home Key as a liar and as the leader of a party for the rich is a good start. This is something Labour under Shearer never did and is probably part of the reason Key gets away with so much.
“we need to make him look incompetent”
Key is managing that all by himself. On my short trip back home I was heartened by the number of people i know who voted for him who know think he screws up everything he touches. Less heartened by the number who couldn’t see an alternative as some distrust the Greens and others don’t see Labour offering anything different (well, offering anything at all). Shearer resigning should provide the finishing touch left needs if the membership chooses well.
“Key is managing that all by himself.”
To us perhaps. It’s what he looks like to most people that’s important and at the moment a lot of people want him to be prime minister and would vote for him. That’s what needs to change.
Key is incompetent, but the majority of voters don’t see it that way. They still believe that Key is doing a good job, particularly with regard to the economy.
This doesn’t match the facts at all, but it’s the perception that’s out there and Labour haven’t effectively countered it.
Go figure?? With the mountains of evidence about of his lies it amazes me that kiwi are so stupid? What is up with that? A guy who’s leading NZ deeper & deeper into the financial internationally with, $159b foreign debt & $114b of “off the balance sheet Liabilities”, mortgage debt of $182b, about $200b private, $11b corporate debt, $10b council debt and falling international trade revenues for the last 12 months because Tim Grosser was too busy trying to get a seat on the WTO NZ trade slumped by $1.6b! These guys are incompetent crony capitalists. Oh yeah, now that everyone that’s in receipt of a benefit is called a “JobSeeker” real unemployment is now 12%!!
because it’s only rarely those figures get published .. many people actually believe this govt has paid down debt .. go figure ! oh gawd, we are in some trouble aren’t we ? and Jones standing to split the vote … gggrrrrrrrr. hope the STV system saves the day for those of us who believe David Cunliffe is the only possible doorway to a decent Kiwi future for all.
Yup, what we need is someone who thinks its ok to put their blue movies on the public purse. That will raise the bar.
You need to get some counselling Tracy?? It’s obvious you’re traumatised. Build a bridge.
Takere, do you think that MPs should be able to use state money to pay for personal pornography use? A yes or no answer will suffice.
Do you think a stupid question like your’s is worthy, petty and pedantic narrow minded party politics? Really? Good christian folks are above everyone else and should make decisions for all?? Move on, get a life.
what has Christianity got to do with it?
I’ll take that as a yes then.
Try rereading Tracey’s comment and see if it fits with your prejudices about people who comment on pornography. As far as I can see she commented on Jones’ using taxpayer money to watch porn, what is wrong with questioning that?
And then go educate yourself about the wide range of critiques of pornography that have nothing to do with religion (honestly, how did you even get that from Tracey or my comments? Wtf is going on in your head?).
Then come back and say something useful, and we will see if you really are the misogynistic, marginalising twat you appear to be this morning.
No Wanka, I mean weka …. you can’t take that as a yes. Jones has apologised and moved on unlike some. Pornography is what is to whoever approves or disapproves they will justify their position no matter what. As for $20 bucks?? Get a grip. It’s not like the $11b dollars Key & Brownlee gifted to Fletchers? Thats something to get up-set about Weka, instead of trying to prove yourself to tracy? I think it’s your “type” thats holding the party back.
Why not just answer the question then? You can still make your points, which as far as I can tell amongst the testeria is that Jones shouldn’t be criticised because it was a small amount and there are more important issues. I think you will find that most people can manage to understand and respond to more than one issue at once. And people with serious critiques of pornography aren’t going to take lessons on that from reactionaries like you.
btw, I think that you will find that Jones spent more than $20 of taxpayer money. In his apology, such as it was, he talked about a pattern of behaviour.
“I think it’s your “type” thats holding the party back.”
Nah, my type are all voting GP now.
Haha! Thats Great news …. So am I if Cunliffe wins the race.
Yep, don’t have a problem with it. When they’re overseas on our business then it behooves us to provide them with the necessary funding to relax. It’s would be up to them to choose how to spend that funding.
My boss doesn’t pay me money for things that help me relax? Don’t we pay them enough (salary plus expenses) to pay for this themselves? Pretty hard to argue for those in the smoko room if he thinks the money he gets (below) isn’t enough.
Am assuming Jones fit one of these categories;
Each member of Parliament who is the chairperson of a select committee
Each member of Parliament who is the deputy chairperson of a select committee
Each other member of Parliament 141,800
Allowance payable under section 16 of Civil List Act 1979
Yearly rate of expenses allowance payable on and after 1 July 2011
Prime Minister 21,400
Each other member of Parliament 16,100
When you’re overseas on business? Then I suggest you take it up with them as it’s likely to be an expense that you don’t normally have.
No they don’t.
They don’t tell me I can use the mini bar, they don’t tell me I can rent movies. They pay for my room and they pay for my travel (airfare, taxis etc) and they pay for my food. And I am not on over $160,000 a year when they do that.
I now work for myself.
My partner works for a charity and goes on occasional overseas trip. She gets airfare and accommodation and $100nzd a day for food and taxis etc.
I consider Mr Jones (and all MPs) also works for a charity, and one that pays VERY VERY well. It’s about personal integrity and seeing the wood for the trees.
Standing up for the working class while thinking he can’t afford to pay for his own adult movies is hypocritical and shows a sense of entitlement. Champion of the smoko room? yeah right.
How much he’s paid isn’t relevant, it being an expense that he wouldn’t normally incur at home is.
When people are working for us I’d prefer them to be in top form.
“When people are working for us I’d prefer them to be in top form.”
After you rub one out you are ready to roll and in top form I take it?
When I travel for work, I get the choice of a daily allowance or repayment on receipts. I know what would happen if I handed in an invoice for porn rentals.
It’s probably so long since Jones has been in a smoko room that he thinks they still sit around looking at Playboy. He seems to spend most of his time with the bosses, especially of the slave fishing fleet. He sees himself as part of Maori royalty but can’t even win a seat in Te Tai Tokerau. Maori have, by and large, moved on from his type. He cannot and must not lead Labour, unless they want us to look back with nostalgia on the Shearer years.
Geez Draco, what next……taxpayer funded hookers all round…..
We’re talking the price of a movie here so about $10. Don’t think prostitutes come that cheaply.
Right, so you *do* actually care what the money’s spent on as long as it’s not an amount you consider negligible.
who is tracy ?
Such witty repartee
Here’s an interesting read on the same topic.
Key word here is prefer.
Kiwis prefer common dry dog crap to festering pig vomit.
Key word there – as always – students, is festering.
Unite or rot.
Ah, lesser of two evils argument… hence the need to give them a credible and distinct alternative?
I think Key took a bit of a hit because of the bull shit the left parties and left wing part of the media were chucking about.
And lets be honest most of it was bullshit.
For your average punter in the streets it’s all a bit confusing, hence the reason his believability took a hit.
I would really appreciate you going through the list of bLip, for balance, and listing the links proving each claim that is bullshit. It would be worth it to expose the real truth and I don’t like being played for a fool no matter what their political ideology.
Were you posting here when Clark was PM?
Haven’t really got the time to do that to be honest, too busy doing or should be doing other stuff.
The bullshit part was to do with the GSCB nonsense not any previous perceived mistruths.
And no I wasn’t around these parts during those dark times.
What about Sua William Sio M.P for Mangere as the Deputy ,Strong Polynesian support in nz and a clean background.
Cut it out cuz ….. he’s the wrong colour! You have to drink Latte’s or drink Chardonnay & and pretend you know everything about anything and are narrow minded!
Voted against the Marriage Equality bill. The gaggle of gays would never accept him.
Growing up, my family would sometimes play the “make up the most humorous collective noun” game.
The “gaggle of gays” is singularly uninspired.
My personal favourite is
– a pride of gays
Or the less than pc
– a faggot of gays
– a mince of gays
– a camp of gays
– a flame of gays
– an out of gays
– a closet of gays
Apologies in advance if these are more than mildly offensive.
– a murder of crows (this one being most peoples favourite – and the only real one here)
– a giggle of girls (coined by my aunt who teaches at an all girls school)
A herd of homophobes
A huddle of homophobes
A hug of homophobes 🙂
A hurt of homophobes 🙁
A fossil of homophobes
An archaeology of homophobes
A dinosaur of homophobes
A closet of homophobes 😈
A hateful of homophobes
A wunch of bankers.
Not really a revelation is it? The real question is will this fact translate into a new government and just as tellingly will they be more honest than the last. Lets hope so.
given it became law without his vote why couldt all those who supported the bill work with him
What an absolute disaster! Cunliffes speech was pathetic and the persona of the coming of the “Lord”, Amurican style presentation was diabolical! Keep it up David and you’ll lose the leadership challenge again! What a cock! Haha! Go Jonesee & Robertson!
Cunliffe has been soooooooooooooooooooooooooo patient.
What part of the speech did you not hear?
What it takes to win.
I heard it all …… my poor ears! What a lame arse speech. Uninspiring, unbelievable and frankly not invigorating at all and definitely not going to pull any new voters. Thats what the party needs to win an election! Der! Winning over voters you already have isn’t clever. This Amurican style platform used here is the launching pad for the 2014 election …… this weak presentation won’t do it. Stand Down now and save yourself the embarrassment David of a defeat in a few weeks!
We are both off the thread topic or do you not agree?
I concur …… Haha! It’s a funny old day!
Takere……you’re a clown. Bugger off !
(North) And you’re a knob! Lets just call it a draw … yah fool. Grow up!
Proof at last for the trolls who have been in denial regarding “I fully believe what John Key says.”
The worm is turning.
Here’s the list of John Key’s lies as it stands today. As always, any link-checks, suggestions, corrections, quibbles and/or additions (with DOX) most welcome. One thing I don’t get is why the links back to The Standard don’t show up???
. . . but wait – there’s more!
Just checked 200 onwards. 204 is a broken link.
Fixed, thank you.
I will not alter the retirement age
Dunne has introduced an idea to change the retirement age and Key said
“Yesterday, Prime Minister Key said the idea was “not without merit” and it was possible his Government would support it, possibly even introducing it in next year’s Budget.”
Thanks Tracey. Not quite a lie but more mealy mouthed mendacity from the mercantile munckin. This announcement looks like another National Ltd™ iniative being announced by a support party – think Charter Schools – but at this stage it doesn’t appear National Ltd™ actually owns it and is only giving tepid, “lets run it up the flag pole” type support. John Key said somewhere else that he would resign if the pension entitlement age changes. His comment here is interesting in that, while not another lie (yet), it does seem to indicate his intention to scarper after the next election.
come the budget next year, it could be an outright lie 😉
really appreciate your efforts on this theme
the sale of mighty river will cost 2% of proceeds
Key claimed on radio, (can’t remember which one, one that lets him talk verbal diarrhea all day) that “99.9 % of red zoners are very very happy with their settlements”, and that the red zoning of people’s property and the “voluntary offers” were “very very fair.” However, looking at Campbell Live tonight, it looks like the other unhappy .1% took those claims to task in the High Court and have proven Key’s claims to be false – or should that be a lie. Perhaps Johnny should have stated the bigger untruth of 100%.
I think the credibility of your thread is totally compromised as you CAN’T REMEMBER, what radio station you heard it on, liar ….etc etc carry on carry on yawn
[lprent: Who are you replying/talking to? If you don’t reference it or use the reply button, then I assume you’re talking to me or the the author. Needless to say I get unappreciative of being addressed in such a manner. See the policy. This is your warning. ]
Ta daaa. Here we go.
Then their was the time before his political career Merril Lynch when He set up the Irish branch of Merril Lynch now bankrupt not before Merril Lynch by insider trading and falsifying govt reports caused a massive meltdown in Ireland.
Of course SmirKey knew nothing.
Libor PonceKey knew nothing.
Yet the money trading arm that shonkey was in charge of was the instigators of this massive scam.
BT went bust as well where was donkey.
More brain fades if He was that good you would think Hey could remember something!
Are we not becoming a financial hub like Ireland as he promised/wanted???
Nice one. I’m rummaging around looking to find a definitive statement from Key but, so far, its all “if this, then that” sort of stuff. Interesting to read in the report you linked to . . .
. . . another indication of his distaste for public servants offering advice which stymies his mercantile machinations, transfer of wealth in the form of corporate welfare by stealth, and yet more evidence, as if any were needed, that he really sees his role as CEO of NZ Inc., rather than Prime Minister of Aotearoa. This whole “financial hub” scam seems to have been little more than a nice wee earner for his bankster mates with Gerry Brownlee acting as the bagman. Any gangsta would have been proud of this little caper.
You’re right of course. It was just an “idea” I first recall around the time of the job forum back in 2009.
“Key told the Business Herald he had “got the numbers” to get the legislation passed and Inland Revenue and the Treasury had signed off that it would not affect the tax base.
Key is confident New Zealand will be able to attract financial funds to place their back office administration here saying a chief executive of one of the world’s most powerful banks had told him: “If you are prepared to zero-rate foreign funds that are not invested in NZ, we’re going to move $2.5 billion of funds here in two years because you’re 50 per cent cheaper than Australia.”
March 9, the Cabinet agreed that ideas from the Jobs Summit would be allocated to the following Ministers to lead further investigation They made this action a top priority or “near term” priority.
By June this had happened
I cant find any data to show the final uptake or the method by which employers upskilled workforce. I assume the govt required accountability from those who received the subsidy?
I am fore warned.
Anyhow as I’m sure you aware I am speaking to Bruce the moose.