Lib-Dems look to Labour as Brown signals resignation

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The British Labour Party is making a final attempt to woo the Liberal Democrats into a progressive coalition government. Gordon Brown will be cast aside as Prime Minister and [the more] proportional AV electoral system introduced without referendum.

On the other side of that the Tories have given way and agreed to give the Lib-Dems a referendum on proportional representation. The catch however is the Government would be free to campaign against it.

If the only alternative for the Lib Dems is a right-wing Conservative government and a spiked AV referendum, then they should go to Labour.

There is a very clear anti-Conservative majority in the UK and Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg has responsibility to the progressive voters that put him there.

The message from New Zealand’s experience is two silvers beat a gold; and rightly so. More people voted for the silvers.

Either way, it’s great to see Britain finally on a clearer path to a fairer electoral system.

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68 comments on “Lib-Dems look to Labour as Brown signals resignation”

  1. “The message from New Zealand’s experience is two silvers beat a gold; and rightly so. ”

    Is it really? Under MMP, New Zealand has yet to have a Government not led by the party that received the most votes at the election. Sure, we COULD have one comprising the second and third (or even second and fourth) parties, but I suspect that even in our PR system there would be some resistance to this.

    • Jenny 1.1

      Hi Andrew, Maybe you are right and it is now time to fully embrace the MMP environment.

      I agree with Foxy that “two silvers do beat a gold” but I also agree with you, that even in our PR system there would be some resistance to this.

      Hopefully with the aim of ousting the Nats from the treasury benches the major players could get over this.

      I see that it now seems obvious that the Labour Party will be backing Rahui Katene’s private members bill for the removal of GST off healthy food.

      While this will not see this bill passed, as National and ACT have the majority and are opposed.

      This initiative by Labour lays the groundwork for a possible coalition that could oust the Nats and is a refreshing change from the sectarian attacks that have characterised the relationship between the Labour and Maori parties.

      This could be a game changer for next year’s election result, already considered by all sides to be a forgone conclusion for Key and the Nats.

      Particularly if the Labour Party could agree to some tactical accommodation of the Maori party. (As the Nats did for ACT and will probably try to do again, even though everyone agrees ACT is burnt toast.)

      Now that the Foreshore and Seabed controversy is behind us, I don’t see any reason why this couldn’t be done.

      Of course Labour Maori MPs may be miffed if they are asked to stand aside in marginal seats, but if they are valuable MPs they could be placed higher on the list.

      Such an electoral alliance may be the best hope for an upset Labour led win next year, But it should not be entered into without the Maori Party agreeing to not go into coalition with National whatever the result.

      So even if National do scrape in, they will be in a very weakened position.

      [lprent: The closing tag on an anchor is </a>. It isn’t <a>. Fixed the large link. ]

      • Jenny 1.1.1

        Hi Lynne I seem to having some trouble with the ‘click to edit’ function.

        What I wanted to add, was that I thought that Labour Party MPs who could step aside to allow the Maori Party to gain a bigger majority could look to Gordon Brown’s example of a personal sacrifice for the good of his country and party.

        In my opinion this would be worthwhile sacrifice to make as I deeply fear that the second term of this National administration will be much worse than their first, particularly for the grass roots majority of this country.

        If, as in the UK there is a clear anti-Conservative majority then in my opinion both the Maori and Labour Parties need to get over their sectarian differences for the good of the people they purport to represent.

        Lynne I also wanted to ask Andrew whether he thinks that the Maori Party’s ideas on Tikana Maori, or Tino Rangatira Tanga would be seen as an insurmountable problem by Labour to such an electoral or coalition accomodation with the Maori party. Particularly in the light of the fact that this doesn’t seem to be a problem with the Nats.

        [lprent: I’ll check out the re-edit. It does rely on ajax, so it is a wee bit unreliable on soem combinations or browser, operating system, ISP, and firewalls. I can’t do much more than see if it is working for me.
        Andrew can no doubt answer for himself…. 😈 ]

      • RedLogix 1.1.2

        Gold = Winning an outright majority.

        What we actually have is three parties with silvers at 36%, 30% and 22% … plus a bunch of regional parties clutching a brace of bronzes.

        No-one got the gold.

      • TightyRighty 1.1.3

        la la land of jenny, this is reality calling.

        why would the maori party agree to anything that specifically rules out the nats to work with labour? the average punter may have a short memory, but the maori party won’t forget a century of being last cab off the rank. nor will it forget the treatment handed out to the greens after they refused to work with national.

        yet you are asking the maori party to give up working with the majority party that listened and accepted their policies, even if not all were enacted or supported, to work with the party that has given them nothing but the cold shoulder? over a bill that would either see mcdonalds get cheaper or tangle our justice system up in lengthy litigious battles that serve little purpose, but have little tangible effect on the obesity problem, as personal choice is impossible to legislate for. labour or the greens would still try though i am sure

        • Lew 1.1.3.1

          TR, a century of being last cab off the rank under Labour? I’m no fan of their treatment of Māori, but it’s more like half a century of being last cab off the rank for National, and five very ugly years of being last-cab for Labour.

          Anyway, if that last five eyars has taught anyone anything, it should be that past performance is a poor indicator of future performance when it comes to Māori issues.

          L

          • TightyRighty 1.1.3.1.1

            whatever lew, whether the dates are right or not, the message is the same.

            and actually to comment on the original post, this is a sleazy attempt to put labour in power again in the UK. and electoral reform with no referendum? the british people may be suffering from apathy, but that will be the straw that breaks the camels back. only the fiscal fool gordon brown and any form of labour party could have that little respect for the electorate

            • Lew 1.1.3.1.1.1

              TR, well, no — since you’re using the dates as evidence, their correcteness matters.

              As for your latter comment — the test of legitimacy is not some airy, fluffy “moral” legitimacy: it’s the confidence of the House of Commons. Whoever has that is entitled to govern for as long as they have it. For their part, the electorate is richly entitled to throw a Labour/Lib Dem government out of office as soon as it fails a confidence vote, which (for the record) I think they will. The main reason I’m generally against this course of action is because I think that when the do get thrown out, it won’t be for a term, it’ll be for a generation. If they get a meaningful PR system in place before that happens, it might be worth it — but I’m not sure they will.

              L

              • Pascal's bookie

                http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/30445.html

                It’s the new epistemology Lew..

                I frankly don’t know if every statistic in Goldwater’s Conscience of a Conservative was correct or not. Nor do I know if every statistic or number in Reagan’s A Time For Choosing speech in 1964 was correct. I DON’T CARE. I know the facts were in the ballpark, and more importantly, the principles were timeless and correct.

              • Lew

                Mmm, they sure do like their math fuzzy nowadays.

                L

        • Jenny 1.1.3.2

          You sound frightened at this possibility, RightyTighty.

          Good!

    • Lazy Susan 1.2

      But Andrew, we’ve never had a result with two silvers – only silver and bronze.

      Remember the LibDems got 23% of the popular vote. Third parties in New Zealand get well under 10%. Labour & LibDem form 52% of the popular vote and represent a much better policy match than Tory LibDem.

      • Jenny 1.2.1

        “Silver and Bronze”, Maori and Labour.

        It’s just sublime.

        • CnrJoe 1.2.1.1

          Platinum and Gold – Labour and Maori

          Uranium and Unobtanium – National and Act

          “Its just priceless”

      • rich 1.2.2

        exactly. if lab/lib (or for that matter lib/con) form a government they will be one of the few UK governments with majority support.

    • simon s 1.3

      I have to agree with Michael. Clark signalled very clearly last election that if she and greens had the numbers, they would form a government. Even if National was the larger party.

  2. Matt 2

    Its a bit different in NZ as there is no third party that holds the balance of power to quite the same extent. It is purely the number of seats in Parliament – that is what a Parliamentary democracy is about – not who thinks they have a ‘moral’ right or who gets a plurality – but who can pull together a majority.

    Michael – the tories have offered AV rather than PR.

    • Lew 2.1

      Matt, PR is a generic which refers to a suite of proportional political systems, of which AV — Alternative Vote, it’s basically MMP — is one.

      Completely agree on the first point, though — thoulgh the perceived lack of legitimacy, a hostile media, and a large segment of the population who feel wronged make it difficult for a government to get anything done, regardless of whether they scrape in with the numbers or not. Example: USA.

      L

      • Lazy Susan 2.1.1

        Lew, I think AV is basically Supplementary Member not MMP

      • Matt 2.1.2

        Hi Lew, AV is preferential voting not PR – in Aust we called it STV, but the UK electoral reform society calls STV multi member preferential voting.

  3. Lew 3

    Brown resigning is a great development, but Labour and the Lib Dems still don’t have the mathematics on their side. How will they manage a coalition of the fringe minor parties? This is an electorate which distrusts the very thought of coalition government, and with little or no practical political experience of coalition management (though Clegg has some due to his work in Europe).

    Faking it until they make it is a bold strategy, but the downside risk is the sort of multi-party infighting fiasco which gives proportional representation a bad name, and the appearance (to be thoroughly milked by the media) of illegitimacy.

    L

    • Matt 3.1

      With SNP and Plaid Cymru who have said they want a coalition and the SDL, who sat on the government benches in the last Parliament they have 327 – in effect they only need 323 because Sinn Fein got 5 seats and they never take theirs – so they can do it – they’ll have a leg programme agreed in the coalition or confidence and supply agreements – as well as confidence and supply – the rest of the leg will have to be negotiated (just like NZ Labour did through the 9 years of their last government) so it can work, it just means that they will have to govern cautiously, which after the last 30 years or so can only be a good thing.

      • Lew 3.1.1

        Yeah, but that’s just the sort of unwieldy coalition of competing interests, egos and tails-wagging-dogs which I’m talking about. It’ll be a mammoth task to hold it together in the teeth of the chilly wind of media, public and market opinion, a task likely beyond any politician I can see taking the job. Mandelson might be up to it (but there are other problems with that).

        L

        • Marty G 3.1.1.1

          The Cons won’t be able to hold it together either. The parties aren’t as tightly whipped in the UK as they are here. Anything meaningful will either be opposed by the Tories’ Right or the Lib Dems.

          New election under new system next year?

          • Lew 3.1.1.1.1

            Right, but the Tories’ failure to hold it together is their problem, not ours. Why not just let ’em fail?

            L

            • jcuknz 3.1.1.1.1.1

              That is hardly a very satisfactory attitude .. the sort of thing being critised on a parrallel thread .. win at all costs against English. We want a strong and stable England holding her place in the world as soon as possible regardless of which party is government … not governments falling over and over as Italy suffers from over the years.

              • Lew

                But JC, my argument is that Labour-LD-PC-SDP-SDL-Green-Alliance coalition is unmanageable, and will be less strong and stable than a Tory minority government with possible Lib Dem support (which is itself a very unstable option).

                L

        • Matt 3.1.1.2

          Better than the tories 😉

    • ghostwhowalksnz 4.1

      Does anyone care what the ‘markets’ think. In The UK a great slab of the ‘markets’ are state owned as they couldnt do their own knitting.
      In the US markets fell because….. who knows, but it had something to do with computers

    • Draco T Bastard 4.2

      ‘The fall in sterling is the clearest message that the market can send that it wants a Tory administration.’

      It’s not about what the “markets” (Read, the rich financiers) want but what the people want and the people don’t want a conservative government. Probably because they’ll give everything away to their rich mates – again.

  4. gobsmacked 5

    It’s wrong to change the voting system, and have it in place before the next election, without a referendum.

    Such a move would never get through the Commons anyway. Many Labour MPs (pro-FPP) would oppose it. Many others would oppose it on constitutional or ‘moral’ grounds (i.e. no referendum). The Lib Dems’ would look terrible trying to force it through, like the “old politics” their supporters despise.

    And even if this happened (and it won’t), a change from FPP to the Australian system is not progress. Minor parties would still be excluded from the ‘Lower House’, as they are in Australia.

    Simple test: next NZ election, National gets a majority. There’s also a referendum on MMP. And Simon Power has promised a second run-off referendum (if required).

    But John Key says we’re switching to FPP anyway, because … well, he’s got the numbers in Parliament, so there.

    Everyone OK with that?

    • Lew 5.1

      Clearer equivalent: Same circumstance except National doesn’t get an overall majority — just a plurality with a bare parliamentary majority provided by support parties. Or not even a plurality, just a distant second-place.

      Could get ugly.

      L

      • Lanthanide 5.1.1

        Except that we already have proportional voting in NZ.

        It can easily be argued that the high turnout for the lib dems at 23% was not reflected in their seat count of 9%, which is a large chunk of the electorate saying that they want a proportional system. Obviously not a referendum, but it’s really not the same as some party coming into power and changing things without any support from the public.

        • gobsmacked 5.1.1.1

          The Lib Dems didn’t campaign on AV. They’ve actively opposed it. Their own members are against it.

          Wrong in principle, and disastrous in practice. It would take a journo or political opponent 5 minutes to find a senior Lib Dem on the record, attacking AV.

          But it’s a pointless deabte really, because there is no way the Lib Dems will sign up to it. PR is to them what the F & S is to the Maori Party.

          • Lanthanide 5.1.1.1.1

            Having just read the wikipedia entry on AV (or STV as called in most places), IMO it looks like it’d be better for the lib dems than continuing with FPP would be. The lib dems have significant backing that people could safely vote for them as first preference, with labour as second preference, instead of just voting for labour because they know lib dems will never win, as is the case right now.

            But yes, if the lib dems are on record saying that AV sucks, it’s hard to flip-flop on that, although having said that the current situation (need to get a government ASAP, best of a bad bunch of options) does give them some leeway and justification in their eventual decision.

  5. I dreamed a dream 6

    This is the best drama I have ever seen from the UK. Not even the BBC has produced anything like this! I have never ever taken a keen interest in UK politics, until now. I just can’t keep hitting the refresh button for updates everywhere!

  6. deemac 7

    why on earth would Labour want to do a precarious deal with the LibDems? The next govt will no doubt do some horrendous things that will make it extremely unpopular. What is needed is for Labour to regroup and call for action to make the guilty (bankers, city speculators) pay the price, not public servants, pensioners etc as currently planned.

  7. I dreamed a dream 8

    If Lib Dem and Labour form a coalition to govern, the Tories will be in trouble, with deep-seated internal strife and David Cameron will very likely to be sacked sooner rather than later. There are already divisions in the Tories and bitterness toward David Cameron now for their poor showing in the Election. For David Cameron and the Tories, the stakes are high. Get into government and they will have some outward unity for a while. Stay in opposition and the knives will be out and the Tories will be in utter disarray.

    If Tories do not govern, their negotiating strategy and offers tabled against their party DNA will form more bones of contention in the party. It will be messy to the max. Blood will spill.

    The LibDem/Labour government will be far more stable than the Tory opposition. Clegg knows it.

    A LibDem+Labour+others governing coalition will be able to take advantage with another election when the Tories are in deep disarray and that will be sooner rather than later.

    • Pat 8.1

      OR…. LibDem/Labour/All-comers coalition will be so fractured and unstable in tough economic times, that at next election they will be punished by voters. Its possible that such a coalition would hand the Tories a clear majority at next election, probably still under FPP, and electoral reform will never see the light of day again.

      • I dreamed a dream 8.1.1

        For Labour, their best option is to stay in opposition under a new leader, against a Tory-LibDem government that is inherently unstable due to major policy differences. LibDems are actually further left than Labour. In the Tories, there are hard right wingers who are against working with LibDems, but Cameron can whip them into grudging acceptance of LibDems being partners in government.

        If Labour were to continue governing, there are challenges as you have mentioned, but the similarity of the left’s “progressive” policies will form a glue that can and is needed to overcome the awkwardness of the arithmetics of the grouping. Sure, they have policy differences but those policy differerences are minor compared to differences between the left and right.

        For the Tories, their best and only feasible option is to be in government, or else they will be in disarray in opposition due to infighting and unhappiness with Cameron. So, the stakes are very high for them. But if they were to govern in conjunction with the LibDems, the great challenge is to manage the major differences in policies between the Tories’ right wing and the LibDems leftwing policies. And there’ll be the ongoing distrust between the two parties because historically they hate and don’t trust each other. The LibDems will always be watching behind their backs. It would be advantageous for Cameron to blame the instability on the LibDems and call an early election.

        For the LibDems, they will be more likely to be shafted by the Tories than Labour. Tory and LibDems policies just don’t mix. If they form a government with the Tories, the LibDems will lose voters whether the government is stable or not. There will be a lot of unhappy LibDem voters who will flood back to Labour. If a LibDem-Tory government collapses, the floodgates will truly open with voters going back to Labour. But in a Lib-Lab coalition, the LibDem voters will be happy where they are, and if there’s a collapse, they will not rush to Labour as much.

        So, summarising what’s best for the parties:
        – Labour: they should rebuild in opposition under a new leader. But, they can still govern with LibDem, and succeed.
        – Tories: they HAVE to get into government or they’ll be in trouble.
        – LibDems: for long term survival, their partner is Labour

        My pick is LibDems will go with Labour.

        • Lew 8.1.1.1

          Yeah, IDAD, but you’re also the person who thinks NZ Labour’s current polling indicates that they’re doing well, which basically marks you out as a sycophantic pollyanna. The power of positive thought just ain’t enough.

          L

          • I dreamed a dream 8.1.1.1.1

            Hey Lew,

            Me a “sycophantic pollyanna?”

            Yes, I still think NZ Labour still have a chance based on current polling. I haven’t been proven wrong yet on that because the Election is still over a year away. But let me say, though, it is possible that I may be proven wrong when the time comes. Anyway, that’s not within the flow of this thread.

            Now, I make my analyses as best as I can, but I do not claim to be infallible. And I respect your views and analyses too. But it really puzzles me why you have to resort to name-calling. I had to look up the meaning of “sycophantic pollyanna” 🙂

            Relax buddy!

            • Lew 8.1.1.1.1.1

              Hang on — you didn’t specify that they “had a chance”, you thought they were “looking great”, based on some fuzzy math which argued Labour only needed ~40% to form a government. But I didn’t mean it quite as harshly as all of that. Only that you seem relentlessly uncritical, and Labour needs more uncritical fanbois like it needs a hole in the head.

              L

              • I dreamed a dream

                Lew, thanks for increasing my vocab by two or three words today, latest being “fanbois.” 🙂

                My use of “looking great” would have meant “had a chance”, or more precisely “had a very good chance”. About my use of “fuzzy math”, you’ve basically hit the nail on the head in terms of how I tend to analyze things. It’s all from my technical background: a PhD in Engineering (from Auckland University) from theoretical engineering mechanics, having taught Math and Statistics at university, and now making a living on my own doing data analysis, which involves using a bit of probabilistic analysis to predict future outcomes. The “fuzzy math” is in my blood. I know full well that my way of analyzing things can seem a bit counter-intuitive a lot of the time. But it can be argued that my way of analysis does remove a lot of emotion from the situations under consideration. I realize my way of looking a things does have its downsides though, one being that it can make me look like a sycophantic pollyanna and uncritical fanbois. 🙂 🙂 🙂

        • rich 8.1.1.2

          If the libs halved their vote but won fair voting they’d still get more MPs than today. Their real entitlement is 149 MPs.

  8. todd 9

    Oh this is going to be fun fun fun.Stupid bloody poms deserve all that comes their way over this.

  9. tc 10

    mmmm….see what happens when you choose the 2IC/Next in line candidate rather than a jounger/vibrant go getter with a manageable association to the former leaders and the style……pay attention Phil.

  10. SPC 11

    I wrote to Blair back in Jan 98 and recommended 500 electorates with AV/preferential voting and 125 party list seats chosen by a “.8% of the vote 1 seat” approach. He chose otherwise, because Labour could get re-elected without any change.

    With AV this election there would have been the LD’s getting over a 100 seats, possibly 150 – as LD’s when second would have received votes from 3rd placed Tories and Labour to win the seat. That would have allowed a coalition majority with both Tories and Labour.

    Now the LD’s feel obliged to go with the Tories as there is no majority with Labour alone.

    I suspect Tories and Labour both under-estimate the extent to which even AV will compromise their to the manor born approach to electoral politics.

    However, while LD will be advantaged by AV, if it’s genuine electoeral reform they want, they should hold out for 125 seat SM, to ensure that parties like the Greens (the one Coromandel seat is too tenuous) can emerge with sustainable representation within parliament. They must stand on principle and be greater than their own party interest – unlike Tories and Labour who only act in self-interest.

    • I dreamed a dream 11.1

      The Guardian has done an analysis on how the election results would look under AV:

      Under FPP:
      Tory – 306
      Labour – 258
      LibDem – 57
      Others – 28

      Under AV (Alternative Vote)
      Tory – 281
      Labour – 262
      LibDem – 79

      Under AV, the Tories lose, Labour and LibDem gain.

      Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/may/10/proportional-representation-general-election-2010

      • SPC 11.1.1

        Well my guess was out, I suppose the reason is that Tories had a clearer lead in seats in many seats than they would normally have – this time at least.

        However if that lead over Labour reduced (as one would expect next time), then AV should have a more decisive impact.

        But – as there would have been a Labour-LD coalition victory this time with a fairer electoral system (one which Tories are accepting – within a public acceptance by referendum), Clegg has a mandate to go either way.

        Clegg should, in my opinion, allow a Tory minority government for a year – with a referendum to the puiblic by the end of the year. Effectively allows the LD a veto (made public within parliament if the Tories so choose) over policy, a veto from outside formal coalition.

        That allows Tories to feel the need to go again to the polls for a new mandate under AV. Which makes a Labour-LD coalition within a couple of years likely and the more unpalatable parts of the Tory programme being blocked in the meantime.

      • jcuknz 11.1.2

        I don’t see how the Guardian can make the comparison becuase there is only one “name’ under FPP … where do they get their data from for transfering votes. It just a guestimate.

  11. SPC 12

    Does anyone else suspect a fear in the UK that MMP would result in the BNP and a Moslem party becoming electoral forces … .

    • Lew 12.1

      There certainly is that fear, mostly being put about by anti-PR scaremongers despite the fact that no party not presently represented in the parliament would be so under a proportional system with the customary 5% threshold (assuming voting behvaiour remains the same, which is a bogus assumption but anyway ….)

      If they do go to a proportional system, expect heavy constraints on representativeness — such as the requirement that a party win at least one seat, or a high threshold.

      L

    • PK 12.2

      ***Does anyone else suspect a fear in the UK that MMP would result in the BNP and a Moslem party becoming electoral forces .***

      UKIP would probably benefit more, they received over 900,000 votes. A Muslim party would probably be more viable in 10-20 years.

  12. SPC 13

    Perhaps MMP with a ban on parties based on race or religion.

    • felix 13.1

      That rules out ACT then.

      • PK 13.1.1

        ***That rules out ACT then.***

        No, it would rule out the Maori Party.

        • felix 13.1.1.1

          I was referring to the religion.

        • Lew 13.1.1.2

          Not really. The māori party isn’t race-based, it’s philosophically-based — it’s just that the philosophical underpinning isn’t Western-European in origin. Their manifesto is completely clear: anyone who shares these values (or wishes to) is welcome, regardless of race or other factors.

          L

        • SPC 13.1.1.3

          One would presume there would be an exemption for indigenous peoples parties – the UK does not recognise any indigenous peoples.

      • Name 13.1.2

        It would presumably also rule out the Scottish Nationalists, Plaid Cymru etc.

  13. Name 14

    The headline is just plain wrong.

    Clegg is still looking to the party with the biggest single vote to form a government with, as he should. Brown’s resignation removes one obstacle to a LB/Lab government but raises another one – how can Clegg commit now to work in government with Labour when he has no idea who he will be working with – and who would be Prime Minister – in six months?

    The Left (which I am loosely part of) naturally want to see the Tories kept out, but the Liberal Democratic Party are not Labour-lite. Yes, many voted Lib/Dem to keep the Tories out who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Labour under Brown but their concerns are not ‘Left-wing’. They want to see PR of a sort, know the economy needs some bitter medicine but want a stable government which is not going to be held to ransom by a couple of Welshmen.

    If it’s to have any future the LDP needs to show now that it is not going to be the automatic lacky of one party or the other. It needs to demonstrate that it will support the one which offers most likelihood of getting Liberal-Democratic policies implemented, and against the fact that it has more in common with Labour is that fact that an LDP/Labour government scrabbling for votes from a rainbow of other parties could be bad for the Country and unable to deliver anyway.

    • Lew 14.1

      the Liberal Democratic Party are not Labour-lite

      I think this is a crucial point. They’ve been stronger critics of much Labour policy than the Tories — particular on civil liberties topics and the war in Iraq. Their economic platform is also pretty distinct from Labour’s. The gaps aren’t as broad between them and Lab as between them and the Tories, but they’re still quite broad.

      L

  14. Carol 15

    I agree the Lib-Dems are not a great fit with a lot of Labour. But they are a better fit than theTories.

    I don’t think Brown going means it’s a problem that the support parties will enter into an agreement without knowing who will lead Labour. Actually, that could be a plus. When Labour chooses a new leader, they may do so in a context of a rainbow coalition. That may influence who will be selected as leader. I can imagine that in such a context, the support partners will send signals to Labour as to their preference for Prime Minister. And the people in Labour who vote for the new leader will be likely to choose a leader who will be least likely to rock the rainbow boat.

    It still may be better for the left & people who favour proportional representation for there to be a LibDem-Tory alliance. In the long run I would like to see a more diverse representation in government in Britain.

    But there are various possible outcomes for either a Labour-led or Tory-led government, I’m partly just curious to see how it plays out… and hopeful. But part of me, having lived in England for the whole of Thatcher’s reign, just does not want to see any of that Tory lot in government ever again. It was too painful to see the devastation it brought to many sections of the British population. And it was extremely frustrating that, in spite of strong opposition, they kept getting re-elected on less than 50% of the vote.

  15. jcuknz 16

    Now the 12th and we know it is a ToryLib future .. for at least a day anyway 🙂

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    RedlineBy Admin
    2 days ago
  • Remainers starting to sound like fascists
    As Brexit comes to a grisly conclusion (perhaps) people on all sides are saying intemperate and uwise things.  Some, like the Daly Mail, have been doing it for years.People as normally level headed as Jon Lansman are calling for automatic deselection of MPs who vote against a (likely) Labour three ...
    2 days ago
  • Labour MPs supporting Johnson’s turd-sandwich deal?
    I find this unbelievable:
    I've got one source saying more Labour MPs than expected are mulling whether to vote for the deal - including names who were not on the letter to Juncker and Tusk— Emilio Casalicchio (@e_casalicchio) 17 October 2019 I've compiled a list of possible reasons why Labour ...
    3 days ago
  • Why do we need control orders again?
    On Wednesday, the government was loudly telling us that it needed to legislate to allow it to impose "control orders" - effectively a parole regime, but imposed without charge, prosecution, conviction or real evidence - on suspected terrorists because they couldn't be prosecuted for their supposed crimes. Today, it turns ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Bullshitting the Minister
    On Monday, the Hit and Run inquiry heard from NZDF's former director of special operations, who claimed that the defence Minister knew everything about the Operation Burnham raid. Today, the inquiry heard from that (former) Minister - and it turns out that he didn't know nearly as much as NZDF ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Speaker: Extinction Rebellion is not a cult (but ecstasy for the people)
    Yoga gurus and cult leaders – I’ve seen a few. Two weeks ago, I unknowingly joined an alleged new-age cult at the Kāpiti coast, together with a giant kraken and some neatly dressed pensioners who would make any book club proud.They were among the two hundred people of all ages ...
    3 days ago
  • We need to bring the police under control
    The last decade has seen a trend of increasing weapons availability to police. Assault rifles. Tasers on every hip. Guns in cars. And following the march 15 massacre, pistols on every hip, all over the country. At the same time, its also seen an increase in the abuse of force: ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • If you can’t measure it, does it exist?
    In the last couple of weeks, I’ve been busy preparing for our summer paper on Science Communication. Looking for something amusing about ‘risk’ in science, I came across this neat xkcd.com cartoon about why so many people come knocking on my door (or phoning me, or emailing me) desperately wanting ...
    SciBlogsBy Marcus Wilson
    3 days ago
  • Swinson’s swithering
    Jo Swinson is doing even worse at this Being Sensible lark that I'd thought.  I've just become aware of the following utterance
    .@KayBurley presses Lib Dem leader @joswinson on whether she would agree to a #Brexit deal 'no matter how bad a deal it is' as long as it had ...
    4 days ago
  • Women’s rights, trans ideology and Gramsci’s morbid symptoms
    by John Edmundson The International Socialist Organisation (ISO) have recently reposted a February article, by Romany Tasker-Poland, explaining ISO’s position in the “trans rights” debate.  It is available on their website and on their Facebook Page.  The article sets out to explain why “socialists support trans rights”.  It reads more ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    4 days ago
  • We need to take guns off police
    Today's IPCA report of police criminality: a police officer unalwfully tasered a fleeing suspect who posed no threat to anyone:The police watchdog has found an officer unlawfully tasered an Auckland man who broke his ankle jumping off a balcony to escape arrest. [...] To avoid arrest, the man jumped over ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • “Bringing kindness back”
    "Auckland City Mission: 10% of Kiwis experiencing food insecurity", RNZ, 16 October 2019:About half a million people are experiencing food insecurity, according to new research from the Auckland City Mission. Food insecurity, or food poverty, is defined as not having enough appropriate food. The City Mission said over the last ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Press Release: “Fake News” from Auckland City Council CCOs Board Chairs re pay and performance b...
    Media Statement for Immediate Release 16th October 2019 “Fake News” from Auckland City Council CCOs Board Chairs re pay and performance bonuses for top managers Despite comments from Auckland City Council CCOs Board Chairs re pay and performance bonuses for top managers—Herald Newspaper Tuesday Oct 15th–there is very little evidence ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    4 days ago
  • Ever-So-Slightly Bonkers: Simon Bridges Plays To His Base.
    Would You Buy A Used Propaganda Video From This Man? Bridges and the National Party’s strategists have discovered that the ideas and attitudes considered acceptable by today’s editors and journalists are no longer enforceable. The rise and rise of the Internet and the social media platforms it spawned means that ...
    4 days ago
  • Asking for food
    There is plenty of evidence of the way the business mentality has permeated every level of society since the recrudescence of market liberalism 35 years ago. You only need to think of how citizens in need of help from their government, their state, their country, are now routinely described as ...
    Opposable ThumbBy Unknown
    4 days ago
  • Forty years of change in the jobs Kiwi do and the places they call home
    John MacCormick Over the last 40 years, New Zealanders – and people in other countries – have experienced big changes in the jobs they do and where they live and work. These changes include: a decline in manufacturing jobs an increase in jobs in ‘information-intensive’ industries (which are better paid ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    4 days ago
  • Protecting Fresh Waterways in Aotearoa/NZ: The Strong Public Health Case
    Nick Wilson, Leah Grout, Mereana Wilson, Anja Mizdrak, Phil Shoemack, Michael Baker Protecting waterways has the benefits of: (1) protecting water from hazardous microbes; (2) minimising cancer risk and other problems from nitrates in water; (3) avoiding algal blooms that are hazardous to health; (4) protecting mahinga kai uses (cultural ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    4 days ago
  • Massey University triggered to rebrand
    by The Council of Disobedient Women In a press release today Massey University announced it has decided to rebrand and reorientate after struggling to be a University for grown-ups. For some time the University has wanted to be a safe play space for wee-woke-misogynists who have been really badly triggered ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    5 days ago
  • Swinson backing calls for a second referendum (again)
    After a brief dalliance with 'hard Revoke' it looks like the Lib Dems are changing ground on on Brexit, with leader Jo Swinson reverting to calling for a second referendum on Johnson's deal.The party has tabled an amendment to the Queen’s speech requesting that any deal brought back from Brussels ...
    5 days ago
  • An odious bill
    The government has decided that someone has done Something Bad. But despite their belief, there seems to be no evidence that they have actually broken the law. So the government's solution is to pass a retrospective law allowing them to be punished anyway, on a lower standard of proof. If ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • National is now the party of climate arson
    So, Judith Collins has done a Facebook rant about climate change, peddling the same shit National has been shovelling for the past twenty years: the impacts are overstated, there's no need to do anything about it, and its too hard anyway (oh, and its so unfair that people who peddle ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • The environmental footprint of electric versus fossil car
    Climate Explained is a collaboration between The Conversation, Stuff and the New Zealand Science Media Centre to answer your questions about climate change. If you have a question you’d like an expert to answer, please send it to climate.change@stuff.co.nz There is a lot of discussion on the benefits of ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    5 days ago
  • “Manifest” by Andrew Bird – A Song For The Times.
    I came across this song quite by accident. If it isn't one of Greta Thunberg's favourites - it should be.Video courtesy of YouTube.This post is exclusive to Bowalley Road. ...
    5 days ago
  • Passing the buck
    Last month, NZDF's shoddy coverup of what it knew about civilian casualties in Operation Burnham began to fall apart, with the revelation that a report on the matter, which NZDF claimed not to have, had been sitting in an NZDF safe for the past nine years. Yesterday, the man responsible ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • India a major player in Earth observation satellites
    While many imagine that countries like the USA and Europe dominate space activities, in fact India is now a major player on this stage. It launches satellites for its own purposes and also commercially, and has constellations orbiting our planet and returning data of vital importance to that nation in ...
    SciBlogsBy Duncan Steel
    6 days ago
  • The rot at the top (2).
    Thanks to a report from the Acting Inspector General of Intelligence and Security following a complaint by Nicky Hager, we have come to find out that the SIS illegally spied on Mr. Hager on behalf of the NZDF after publication of Hager’s 2011 book, Other People’s Wars. The NZDF justified ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    6 days ago
  • Common misconceptions about “Global Warming”
    COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING MYTH 1: Global temperatures are rising at a rapid, unprecedented rate. FACT: The HadCRUT3 surface temperature index, produced by the Hadley Centre of the UK Met Office and the Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia, shows warming to 1878, cooling to 1911, ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    6 days ago
  • A climate of tyranny
    For the past week, Extinction Rebellion has been peacefully protesting in London to demand action on climate change. The British government's response? Ban their protests:Police have banned Extinction Rebellion protests from continuing anywhere in London, as they moved in almost without warning to clear protesters who remained at the movement’s ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Collins crushes climate
    An essay by Judith Collins MP reported on Carbon News yesterday seems to show an alarming shift in attitude within the National Party. Collins argues against the Zero Carbon Bill, the Paris Agreement, and downplays the magnitude of climate impacts. The Paris Agreement was adopted in December 2015 and ratified ...
    SciBlogsBy Robert McLachlan
    6 days ago
  • More disappointment
    When they were running for election, Labour promised to overhaul the Employment Relations Act and introduce fair pay agreements to set basic pay and conditions on an industry level, preventing bad employers from undercutting good ones. They followed this up by establishing a working group, which reported back in January ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • What do these mother-child studies really say about fluoridation?
    A list of indicators of bad science – many of these are found in articles promoted by anti-fluoride activists. Anti-fluoride activists have been pouring money into a scaremongering campaign warning pregnant women not to drink fluoridated water. They claim fluoride will lower the IQ of their future child. Fluoride ...
    6 days ago
  • Losing Labour’s Mills-Tone.
    Nothing Left To Say: Labour's pollster, Stephen Mills, remains swaddled-up in the comforting myths of the 1980s. As if the experience of Roger Douglas’s genuinely radical post-Muldoon policy agenda was literally a once-in-a-lifetime thing – as much as the party could possibly absorb for at least the next 50 years.MEMO ...
    6 days ago
  • Speaker: Disability and the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Historical Abuse
    The Royal Commission on abuse in care is very significant for the disability community. For many decades last century, thousands of disabled children, and adults who managed to survive, were locked away from families and communities. This was not for anything they had done, but for the perceived threat their ...
    6 days ago
  • Spain is not a democracy
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • UK Conservatives hate democracy
    With an unfair voting system, uneven electorates and an un-elected upper house, the UK's "democracy" is barely worthy of the name. But now the government wants to make it worse:The government has been accused of suppressing voters’ rights with the potential disenfranchisement of tens of thousands of people after plans ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • What is wrong with our building industry?
    Back in the 90's and early 2000's, the building industry was building leaky homes which should never have been granted consent. Now it turns out they've been building dodgy office blocks as well:New imaging technology has revealed hundreds of major buildings nationwide have defective or missing concrete or reinforcing steel. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Local bodies
    Local body election results were released over the weekend, to joy or despair depending on where you live. In Auckland, Phil Goff trounced John Tamihere, who is muttering darkly about running for Parliament again (but which party would want him?) Wellington is now a wholly-owned subsidiary of Weta Workshop, except ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A future of government
      How could government evolve over the next decades? Reports of democracy’s imminent demise are greatly exaggerated.  However, satisfaction with political systems in many countries is low, so there is much to do for governments of all political stripes to improve relevance and trust. Digital technologies are seen as one ...
    SciBlogsBy Robert Hickson
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Catalonia, interrupted
    Two years have now gone by since the Friday afternoon when my university-student son and I headed out of our Barcelona flat to a nearby primary school, designated as a polling station for the vote that was to be held the following Sunday: the referendum on Catalonia’s independence from Spain ...
    1 week ago
  • Sage Decisions Unwisely Over-Ruled.
    Overruled: The joint decision of Finance Minister, Grant Robertson (Labour) and his Associate Minister, David Parker (Labour) arguably the two most powerful ministers in Jacinda Ardern’s government, to grant OceanaGold the consents which Land Information Minister, Eugenie Sage (Greens) had earlier denied them, offers bitter proof of how hard fighting ...
    1 week ago
  • Government may ban voting in effort to get more people to do it
    More than double the number of people who will vote in this year’s local body elections have tried marijuana or urinated somewhere they shouldn’t have. As local elections look set for the lowest turnout in decades, with many regions falling well short of 40%, the Government is exploring a number ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Woman: Deleted.
    A Statement on Abortion Law Reform by the Council of Disobedient Women   On the eve of bringing an end to antiquated, anti-women abortion laws Green MP Jan Logie intends to write women out of the Bill. With a stroke of the pen, the woke are aiming for total erasure ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • The Hollowest of Men Ride Again… SURPRISE!
    Musings continue apace about “the experienced businessman!” soon to be taking up a National Party MP position. Or to be more accurate, being parachuted into a seat to shut down their former MP Jamie-Lee Ross, who despite his own shortcomings shed at least some more light on the inner workings ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    1 week ago
  • Barbaric
    The Ugandan government wants to murder gay people:Uganda has announced plans to impose the death penalty on homosexuals. The bill, colloquially known as “Kill the Gays” in Uganda, was nullified five years ago on a technicality, but the government said on Thursday it plans to resurrect it within weeks. The ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Is this study legit? 5 questions to ask when reading news stories of medical research
    Hassan Vally, La Trobe University Who doesn’t want to know if drinking that second or third cup of coffee a day will improve your memory, or if sleeping too much increases your risk of a heart attack? We’re invested in staying healthy and many of us are interested in reading ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • Fighting Monsters.
    Freedom Of Speech? The Säuberung (cleansing by fire) was the work of the German Student Union which, on 10 May 1933, under the watchful eye of the Nazi Reichminister for Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels, consigned 25,000 books to the flames in a ritual exorcism of “un-German thought”. According to the logic of the ...
    1 week ago
  • The next wave of kaupapa Māori politics: its constitutional, it must be.
      “There can be no such thing as kaupapa Māori political parties or politics in Aotearoa” (Willie Jackson, Labour Party (2017). Māori TV, General/List Election Special) I begin with that claim because at the time, I was confounded at first that it fell out of Willie Jackson’s mouth, and then ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    2 weeks ago
  • Night lights of NZ from orbit
    New Zealand has prided itself for decades with regard to its lack of pollution, and all will be aware that the ‘100% Pure New Zealand‘ meme is under threat through land, water and air pollution of various causes. There is another type of contamination that the country also faces: light ...
    SciBlogsBy Duncan Steel
    2 weeks ago
  • Reporters deliver uplifting news to fleeing Japanese residents: they won’t miss any rugby
    New Zealand’s media is doing its part in Japan, reassuring those in the path of the storm that they won’t miss any rugby while away from their flooded homes. New Zealand sports reporters stationed in Japan for the Rugby World Cup have had the rare and heartwarming opportunity to inform ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Government in contentious discussions about whether to put surplus on red or black
    Regional Development Minister Shane Jones is the only Cabinet member in favour of putting it all on green. As Finance Minister Grant Robertson finds himself with an enormous $7.5 billion surplus, the Government has begun intense, at times contentious conversations about whether to put the money on red or black at ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Jordanian teachers’ successful strike has lessons for here
    by Susanne Kemp At the start of September close to 100,000 school teachers went on strike in Jordan.  They demanded a 50% pay rise.  A pay rise actually agreed to by the regime back in 2014. In early October, however, in the face of government repression and threats, the teachers’ ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Why some people still think climate change isn’t real
    Climate Explained is a collaboration between The Conversation, Stuff and the New Zealand Science Media Centre to answer your questions about climate change. If you have a question you’d like an expert to answer, please send it to climate.change@stuff.co.nz Why do people still think climate change isn’t real? David ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago
  • The SIS unlawfully spied on Nicky Hager
    Back in 2011, journalist Nicky Hager published Other People's Wars, an expose on NZDF's activities over the previous decade of the "war on terror". NZDF didn't like this, and especially didn't like the fact that it was base don leaks from their own. So, they had the SIS investigate him ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • October 2019 – Newsletter
    https://mailchi.mp/7d9133add053/closing-the-gap-october-2019-newsletter ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    2 weeks ago
  • And they wonder why we think they’re environmental vandals…
    The Zero Carbon Bill is due back from select committee in two weeks, and will likely pass its final stages in November. So naturally, farmers are planning a hate-march against it. But they're not just demanding lower methane targets so they can keep on destroying the planet; they're also demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: Paying the price in California
    Last year, California burned. This year, to stop it happening again (or rather, to stop themselves from being found liable if it happens again), Pacific Gas and Electric is cutting power to half the state for a week:Schools are closed. Traffic lights down. Tunnels dark. Businesses unopened. Hospitals running on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Let’s Hear It For Up-Close-And-Personal, Hard-Copy Democracy!
    The Best Way: Missing from the on-line voting debate is any reference to the voting system that produces turn-out figures ranging from 77 to 93 percent of registered voters. The voting system used to collect and count the votes cast in our parliamentary elections. The system that involves citizens making ...
    2 weeks ago
  • 10/10: World Day Against the Death Penalty
    Today, October 10, is the world day against the death penalty. Out of 195 UN member states, 84 still permit capital punishment. Today is the day we work to change that. This year's theme is children. Having a parent sentenced to death or executed causes long-term trauma and stigmatization which ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Talking Freer Lives: a Marxist gender-critical perspective from Australia
    Among the great new bunch of political friends we have been making recently is the excellent Australian-based Marxist gender-critical site, Freer Lives.  So we asked the comrade who set up that blog to write something for Redline on the blog, himself, his analysis of the rise of gender politics and ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Government spin accepted by union leadership
    by Don Franks  The Auckland City Mission is struggling with a 40 percent increase in demand for food parcels this year. A total of 23,020 were needed by June. Last month Missioner Chris Farrelly told the Herald the “cupboards are bare” and without an emergency food drive, he can’t see ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Forbidden Thoughts
    by The Council of Disobedient Women   Massey Wellington Student Association had a sit-in today. Imagine a sit-in. On a campus. Against a women’s rights meeting. Did the ’60s really happen or did we fucking dream it? They gathered in the student square, an echo chamber. Sitting on soft pillows ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Much love to my loyal Ukrainian readership
    For some reasons, my post about the mystery message from inside the Downing Street bunker seemed to catch people's attention.  Quite a lot of hits from NZ (unsurprisingly) and the USA (a bit more puzzlingly, but hi there, USAians!!) and 76 views from the Ukraine.I've celebrated my Ukrainian readers in ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Another day of bonkers GNUmours (again, sorry)
    First, almost a score of Labour MPs seem to have sent a letter to the EU basically begging them to accept a deal - any deal - just so Britain can get the Heck on with Brexiting instead of being trapped in limbo:
    To avoid no deal, deliver on the ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour vs working class immigrants – again!
    by Phil Duncan In 2016 the National-led government suspended the Parent Visa Category, through which migrants were able to bring their parents into New Zealand.  Since then over 5,700 people have been in immigration limbo, stuck on the visa wait list. Labour is now bringing back the scheme.  Well, sort ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Speak Up for Women press statement: on Massey University and Feminism 2020
    The following was released yesterday (Tues, October 8) by the women’s liberation organisation Speak Up for Women. On 23 September Speak Up For Women announced that we would be holding an event at the Massey University Theaterette in Wellington. The event is called Feminism 2020. The intention of the event ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Farmers support dirty rivers
    The government is currently consulting on plans to improve freshwater quality. So naturally, farmers oppose it:South Taranaki farmers are preparing to fight proposed national freshwater changes that some fear will bankrupt them. The Government's proposed National Environment Standard on Freshwater Management, released in September, rated the Waingongoro River as one ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • No-one cares about local government
    Yesterday was the last day for (reliably) posting your vote away in local body elections. Turnouts are mostly much lower than the equivalent time last year (Palmerston North is down 2.3%), and so naturally people are pushing their online-voting snake oil again. Because the online census worked so well, lets ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • The political ghosts of eugenics may matter more than the genetic
    This essay, on the political legacy of the eugenics movement, by Kenan Malik was originally published in the Observer on 6 October 2019, under the headline ‘The spirit of eugenics is still with us, as immigrants know to their cost’. Birth control. Intelligence tests. Town planning. Immigration controls. It’s striking how ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • “Surplus” again
    Another year, and the government has announced another enormous government "surplus". And just like last year, its nothing of the sort. When we have people homeless and sick and hungry, when we have schools and hospitals still falling down, when we have underpaid public servants and infrastucture unmaintained or unbuilt, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Inside the Downing Street bunker
    James Forsyth at The Spectator (I know, I know) has tapped one of his contacts inside Number Ten for an insight into the Johnson administration's thinking and strategy.It is fascinating, unsettling and quite, quite mad.  Some key points:Negotiations have stalled and the Johnson administration are keen to blame the EU: ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Taking Control Of The Nation’s Story.
    Fatal Contact: With the arrival of captain James Cook in October 1769, the islands of what would become New Zealand ceased to be the preserve of Polynesian navigators and settlers and became a part of both the world’s map and the world’s history.THE MAORI NATIONALIST assault upon the historical meaning ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Are GNUs extinct?
    Another round of tactical talks about forming a Government of National Unity have come to nothing with the Liberal Democrats still refusing countenance putting Jeremy Corbyn into Downing Street:Opposition talks on Monday made little headway over when to try and vote down Boris Johnson's government and who might succeed him as ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour chickens out again
    When the government was elected, it promised to lead the way on electric vehicles, and specifically to make the government vehicle fleet emissions-free where-practicable by 2025.They lied:There are 15,473 vehicles in the government fleet and only 78 are electric. When the coalition Government came into power in late 2017, the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

  • Government announces 27 percent increase in Trades Academy places
    Two secondary-school initiatives are being expanded as part of the Government’s plan to see more young New Zealanders take up a trade to help close the skills gap.   This includes the largest single increase in Trades Academy places in recent years. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Education Minister Chris ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    40 mins ago
  • Methane reducing cattle feed one step closer
    The Government today announced its support for a project that could substantially reduce agricultural greenhouse gas emissions from cattle. The announcement was made as part of Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s and Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor’s visit to Nelson’s Cawthron Aquaculture Park. The Cawthron Institute will receive $100,000 from the Government’s ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Bill to refresh superannuation system passes first reading
    Social Development Minister Carmel Sepuloni has welcomed the first reading of the New Zealand Superannuation and Veteran’s Pension Legislation Amendment Bill. “Every New Zealander has a stake in New Zealand Superannuation and Veteran’s Pension,” says Carmel Sepuloni. “They are our most common form of social assistance – nearly 800,000 New ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Government announces next steps in fight against measles
    Babies in Auckland aged six months and over can receive a free vaccination and children will all have access to vaccines, Associate Minister of Health Julie Anne Genter announced today at Papatoetoe High School.   The move comes as part of Government efforts to step up the fight against measles. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Speech to the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs, Pacific Futures: Connections, Identity...
    ***Check against delivery*** Good morning. It is a pleasure to be here, and to have the honour of opening this important conference on behalf of the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs. Let us take the opportunity to acknowledge all the people who have helped make today possible, including our special ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Police trial new response to high risk events
    Police Minister Stuart Nash says the safety of frontline officers and members of the public will be the focus of a new trial of specialist Police response teams in three of our largest urban centres. Police have this morning released details of an initiative to be trialled in Counties Manukau, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • New awards celebrate fisheries sustainability
    The Minister of Fisheries is calling for entries for a new public award to celebrate innovation in our seafood sector. “I have established the Seafood Sustainability Awards to recognise and celebrate those throughout industry, tangata whenua and communities who demonstrate outstanding dedication and innovation towards the sustainability of New Zealand’s ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • More progress for women and we can do more
    Minister for Women Julie Anne Genter welcomes leaders in the private sector taking action on closing their gender pay gaps to ensure a fairer workplace for all New Zealanders. Ms Genter today launched a new report, Addressing the gender pay gap and driving women’s representation in senior leadership, from the Champions for ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Proposals to curb environmental damage help our coasts and the oceans
    Government Ministers today welcomed the release of a marine environment report highlighting the four key issues affecting our oceans, estuaries and coastlines.  The release underlines the importance of government proposals to combat climate pollution, ensure clean freshwater, protect biodiversity, make land use more sustainable, and reduce waste and plastic.    Environment ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • New mental health facility for Waikato
    The Government has approved funding for a new acute mental health facility for Waikato which will provide better care and support to people with mental health and addiction issues. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Health Minister Dr David Clark announced the $100 million project to replace the aging Henry Rongomau ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • 500 new te reo Māori champions in our classrooms
    The Government is making progress on its goal to integrate te reo Māori into education by 2025, with over 500 teachers and support staff already graduating from Te Ahu o te Reo Māori,  Associate Education Minister Kelvin Davis announced today. Kelvin Davis made the announcement at an awards ceremony in Waikanae today, for ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Minister James Shaw welcomes 2018 Census first release
    Statistics Minister James Shaw has welcomed the first release of 2018 Census data. The first release of data today, 23 September, includes key data on population, regional growth, the number of homes and the size of different ethnic groups in New Zealand. Data from the 2018 Census will support the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
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