Lies, damn lies, and rigged polling questions

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1. Gosman 1

   15 October 2012 at 1:12 pm

   Do you support a complete cessation of mining in NZ?
   • felix 1.1

     15 October 2012 at 1:30 pm

     ??

     More of your Random inanity Gosman.
   • Draco T Bastard 1.2

     15 October 2012 at 2:56 pm

     I support a complete cessation of you asking inane questions.
     • TheContrarian 1.2.1

       15 October 2012 at 3:02 pm

       We have to mine.
       • Gosman 1.2.1.1

         15 October 2012 at 3:26 pm

         Even the Labour party and The Greens acknowledge this. Of course they couch it in terms of environmental sustainability. What this means is a value judgement. Essentially it means what is acceptable to us at this particular point in time. This poll was obviously trying to frame the debate so that it looks like it is more acceptable. Probably bad polling practice but potentially good politics.
         • Draco T Bastard 1.2.1.1.1

           15 October 2012 at 4:44 pm

           What this means is a value judgement.

           Nope, it’s not a value judgement at all. It very much a measured and objective judgement. The problem is that we haven’t done the measuring and the RWNJs don’t want us to as that would get in the way of them raping the earth for their own aggrandisement.
           • Gosman 1.2.1.1.1.1

             15 October 2012 at 4:49 pm

             In your opinon.
             • Matthew Whitehead …

               15 October 2012 at 6:09 pm

               So do the measuring and prove us wrong.
             • Draco T Bastard …

               15 October 2012 at 11:10 pm

               The pollution in our rivers and lakes from farming indicate that it’s not an opinion but basic fact that your RWNJs just don’t want to accept.
       • Kez 1.2.1.2

         15 October 2012 at 6:40 pm

         Mine it, drill it, sell it. Let’s get some jobs going, unlike the lefties wank-fest with less than 100 present.
         • PlanetOrphan 1.2.1.2.1

           15 October 2012 at 6:56 pm

           Run out of medication Kez?

           Take ya pill M8!

           U aren’t going to swing the polls with crap like that buddy!.
           (Purile anger + sexual insults = FuckWit)
         • Jackal 1.2.1.2.2

           15 October 2012 at 8:13 pm

           According to the Political Economy Research Institue at the University of Massachusetts, Investment into renewable industries creates more than twice as many jobs as polluting industries… Therefore the right-wing fossil fuel agenda is nothing but hot air in terms of job creation.
           • PlanetOrphan 1.2.1.2.2.1

             15 October 2012 at 8:40 pm

             There’s a kicker, can’t Bully the world without a “Niche” can they.
             Bloody bankers M8!
       • millsy 1.2.1.3

         15 October 2012 at 11:11 pm

         As long as its not in our National Parks or anywhere else in our DoC estates. But it seems that people are willing to give our National Parks up. In which case they are being very treasonous.
     • higherstandard 1.2.2

       15 October 2012 at 3:21 pm

       As long as there’s a concurrent cessation of inane answers from yourself I’m prepared to offer third party mediation.
   • scotty 1.3

     15 October 2012 at 5:20 pm

     Gosman
     Do you support a complete cessation of mining in NZ?

     No.

     Do you support compulsory mining over every square inch of NZ?
     • felix 1.3.1

       16 October 2012 at 7:56 am

       Come on Gosman, a straight q deserves a straight a.
2. Dr Terry 2

   15 October 2012 at 1:23 pm

   Note that this so-called “poll” includes the all important words that concern, quote, “responsible exploration and mining”. That is the issue, what do we deem as “responsible”? I am quite sure that New Zealanders do not view the creation of greenhouse emissions, OR mining on Conservation lands, as acceptable let alone responsible.
   • Gosman 2.1

     15 October 2012 at 2:32 pm

     Considering any type of activity leads to Greenhouse gas emissions I would dispute your view that any emissions would be unacceptable to NZers.
   • OneTrack 2.2

     15 October 2012 at 10:29 pm

     The New Zealanders who answered those questions seem to disagree with you.
     • McFlock 2.2.1

       15 October 2012 at 10:34 pm

       read the post again. hint: “According to the research presented, 71% of New Zealanders would only agree with new coal mining if there was no increase in greenhouse gas emissions.“
3. tracey 3

   15 October 2012 at 1:32 pm

   Gosman, what do you think about the method of polling used by strata
4. Jokerman 4

   15 October 2012 at 1:42 pm

   Romulans to Picard-“Give Us Data”
5. muzza 5

   15 October 2012 at 2:12 pm

   Remember that its about getting NZ separated from its resources, so as to be unable to become financially self reliant. The same can be seen in trying to get ChCh to sell off assets, sales of power companies, and the segregation of Aucklanders from their assets via the CCO’s which now control them!

   Think of it in terms of when NZ handed over what gold it had to the IMF in 1961 – but involving much bigger resource theft!

   Using deliberately ambiguous and confusing language in questions, while manipulating and lying about poll results, simply part of the programme!
6. blue leopard 6

   15 October 2012 at 2:13 pm

   We allow the most atrocious lies uttered by political and moral prostitutes to go unchallenged. These lies are endlessly recycled in the commercial media until they become ingrained in the public conscience as truth. Worse than burying our heads in the sand, we bury them up our collective ass. How do you like the view?
   ~Charles Sullivan
7. Cin77 7

   15 October 2012 at 5:35 pm

   Sadly, I was called for this poll and agreed that it was important to develop New Zealand’s natural resources for prosperity and I also felt very concerned about New Zealand’s standard of living.

   I’m not advocating more mining and I’m quite pissed that my answers have been twisted in this way. But I should have clicked to the “prosperity” at the end. My bad 🙁 Sorry, NZ for selling out
   • r0b 7.1

     15 October 2012 at 10:27 pm

     Not your fault in any way shape or form. Pure manipulative dishonesty on the part of the pollsters.
8. captain hook 8

   15 October 2012 at 7:28 pm

   the guts of the matter is that this government cant lie straight in bed.
   they rig everything.
   Its in their nature.
   read “LIARS POKER” by Michael Lewis to see how the only way to be a successful money trader is to lie to everyone.
9. insider 9

   16 October 2012 at 8:22 am

   This was an opinion poll for a vested interest group. It’s as trustworthy as one by greenpeace or the conservatives. Why the surprise?
10. Cindy 10

    16 October 2012 at 6:31 pm

    I was at the presentation of this at Straterra on Thursday. Pauline Colmar, who conducted the poll, went to great lengths to stress how careful they are when developing the questions. Yet she couldn’t answer my question about the support for lignite. See this link: question 14 in the poll .

    Here are the questions. I’ve posted some alternative ones below.
    “How much do you agree or disagree with the development of Southland’s lignite?”

    … if the environment is protected
    … if the environment is returned to as it was before
    … if there is no overall increase in Greenhouse emissions
    … if local people are employed
    … if it is done by New Zealand companies
    …if it means lower priced diesel
    … if it means lower priced fertilizer
    … if the communities where it occurs get special benefits
    … if it boosts the NZ economy
    …if everyone’s standard of living in New Zealand improves
    … if most of the money stays in New Zealand

    …if you know the environment can’t be protected
    …if the environment will never be the same as it was
    …if it inevitably increases greenhouse emissions as Don’s magic CCS solution has failed globally
    …if it were to employ only 6 people in Southland, some of whom left because it was too dangerous at the Briquetting plant
    … if the wholly-owned NZ company has sacked workers across the country to dig up fertile Southland farmland
    …if the lignite-to-diesel plant ever goes ahead (unlikely)
    … if Ravensdown has already walked away from the lignite-to-urea plans and Solid’s struggling to find a partner
    … if Solid sponsors the NZSO to clean up its image
    … if it’s already costing the NZ economy due to Don Elder’s financial mismanagement
    … if everyone’s standard of living in New Zealand improves and all the economists point to Solid Energy’s lignite mining in Southland as the catalyst
    …if NZ ends up spending more on mitigating climate change than it will get from this project.

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