Little weighs in on dirty politics

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1. lprent 1

   8 June 2015 at 11:34 am

   Andrew Little (who personally shot JFK and who secretly posts on The Standard under the aliases lprent, mickysavage and r0b yeah uh huh definitely)…

   Memo: To all

   I expect to be told about these things.

   Sure I run the site operations and security with a heavy hand, absolute control, and limit what you can do to what you are meant to be able to do. However it appears that someone has gotten the fairydust from Cameron and miraculously cracked open the site for Labour politicians and staffers to play around with as they please.

   After all, Cameron Slater thinks so. Therefore it must be true – right (and more right)!

   lprent

   BTW: And who allowed this politician to state the clear and obvious truth in public.

   Cameron Slater is probably the most toxic influence on New Zealand politics that we’ve ever had, and a most unwelcome one

   ===
   SARCASM ENDS

   Edit: I had to add the end because I wasn’t too sure that some of the rabid right wingers would be able to figure that out past their delusions of left-wing conspiracy theories.

   Just as a word of advice for Cameron and his delusional buddies.

   We don’t and have never allowed MPs or people working as political staffers on the parliamentary payroll to write on this site except under their own names.

   So while there have been many guest posts by MPs over the years, they do it under their own name.

   Mike Smith has worked as a contractor while being an author. However he doesn’t write posts for Labour – his views are his own.

   We repost from Rob Salmond’s blog Polity. Rob also works on contracts for parliamentary Labour, but his views are distinctly his own.

   And at least one of our previous authors Clint Smith has gone on to become a staffer for the Greens and Labour after he finished writing posts for The Standard.

   This is all in the nature of our local political community. What none of them do is what Jason Ede did for National. Wrote posts and provided material to bloggers while working directly for John Key on the public payroll.

   There is no need to sneak around conspiring to hack into my systems. That is completely illegal in several several sections of the Crimes Act. You can read our about

   However we are not giving peoples identities up. Past vindictive attempts to attack anyone whose real-world identity is known by members of the right wing blogs, right-wing media, and National party MPs make it perfectly clear that they cannot be trusted with personal details. Paula Bennett and Cameron Slater being particularly disgusting examples.
2. mickysavage 2

   8 June 2015 at 11:37 am

   ” … who secretly posts on The Standard under the aliases lprent, mickysavage and r0b …”

   I bet a number of beehive staffers are currently trying to find out if this is indeed the case …
   • r0b 2.1

     8 June 2015 at 11:42 am

     bless ’em
   • Anne 2.2

     8 June 2015 at 11:48 am

     Well, I always suspected that TRP was Trevor Mallard in disguise. You know, two sides of the same coin type of thing. And lets face it… he’s never denied it has he!! 😛
     • mickysavage 2.2.1

       8 June 2015 at 11:54 am

       You will never guess what name Clayton Cosgrove blogs under 😀
       • Tracey 2.2.1.1

         8 June 2015 at 3:39 pm

         dipshit?

         joking aside, I assumed “Clayton Cosgrove” was a pseudonym used by someone from another party who got elected to the Labour party on the List?
         • the pigman 2.2.1.1.1

           8 June 2015 at 8:21 pm

           Couldn’t work out who he was campaigning for during the election, either. It’s a baffling political mystery that he re-entered parliament on Labour’s list after losing his seat.

           Oh well, there’s always 2017 😀
     • just saying 2.2.2

       8 June 2015 at 11:57 am

       Mallard?
       God knows, TRP really annoys me sometimes, Anne.
       But that’s just mean.
       • Anne 2.2.2.1

         8 June 2015 at 12:06 pm

         a “razz” just saying. 🙂
         • Anne 2.2.2.1.1

           8 June 2015 at 12:40 pm

           On second glance I think you were entering into the spirit js. Apols.
       • weka 2.2.2.2

         8 June 2015 at 12:23 pm

         lolz, js.

         Have to say that this thread is the funniest thing I’ve read on ts for age.
       • Chooky 2.2.2.3

         8 June 2015 at 2:50 pm

         mean to Mallard you mean?
     • te reo putake 2.2.3

       8 June 2015 at 12:20 pm

       There’s some folk who might think that was an insult … to both of us!
       • lprent 2.2.3.1

         8 June 2015 at 1:01 pm

         Oh come on…

         With thighs like that in lycra, who could resist 🙂
     • Chooky 2.2.4

       8 June 2015 at 2:46 pm

       @ Anne…moi aussie…or now that it has been mentioned Clayton Cosgrove
       • te reo putake 2.2.4.1

         8 June 2015 at 3:15 pm

         I’m neither Mallard or Cosgrove. I don’t have a particularly high view of either, actually: http://thestandard.org.nz/brassneck/

         I’ve never stood for public office, worked at parliament, or at Frazer house. I chaired an LEC once and a few years ago also ran an unsuccessful election campaign for a prospective MP. If you knew which one, most of you would consider that failure was my best work ever.

         And that’s it, really. Just a lippy LP member who can string a few words together in coherent fashion. I’d like to think I modestly and humbly introduce a little sparkle and joy to the lives of the readers of the Standard, but that’s about the extent of my contribution to the labour movement at the moment.
         • Anne 2.2.4.1.1

           8 June 2015 at 3:53 pm

           I was being naughty trp. Affectionate teasing. 😛

           And yes, you do add a sparkle to TS.
           • te reo putake 2.2.4.1.1.1

             8 June 2015 at 4:10 pm

             Cheers, Anne. Chooky made me laugh. Mallard I can understand, but Clayton? C’mon!

             It’s occurred to me that the reason why Slater and his mates are so bitter and twisted about the identities of Standardistas is that they can’t get their heads around the fact that we’re all amateurs. In their world, nobody would put this much time and effort into any project unless there was money it. It’s an affront to their worldview.

             So, by that logic, they’re convinced we must all be paid staffers or MP’s because it doesn’t make sense to write just because we can, and because it’s worthwhile, and it adds a dimension to people’s lives that wouldn’t otherwise be there.
             • lprent …

               8 June 2015 at 4:11 pm

               Their worldview is a bit distorted by the profit motive.
             • Chooky …

               8 June 2015 at 5:49 pm

               well trp…i do have to agree with you on that!…enthusiastic “amateurs” with time on our hands …that is why we aren’t afraid to say what we think….and our thoughts are probably shared by many other New Zealanders…that is what is scary for them…they are being articulated…it is called grassroots democracy!

               …and that is anti fascist!
         • the pigman 2.2.4.1.2

           8 June 2015 at 9:13 pm

           I never saw that post (Brassneck) before… it’s a good’un!
           • te reo putake 2.2.4.1.2.1

             9 June 2015 at 8:38 am

             Cheers, tp. If Labour switch to a democratic, party wide selection of the list candidates, I expect at least 3 of the 4 MP’s I mentioned in the post will be dusting off their CV’s next election.
       • Huginn 2.2.4.2

         8 June 2015 at 9:31 pm

         So let me get this right.

         Chooky

         Are you Trevor Mallard, or are you Clayton Cosgrove?
         • Chooky 2.2.4.2.1

           8 June 2015 at 10:10 pm

           neither Mallard nor Cosgrove ( sign of the cross!)…do you think i would come here if i was infamous?….i am….( dont tell Slater the fat stoat) ….a Chooky on a perch…with other Chookies…and a couple roosters who think they are useful
3. just saying 3

   8 June 2015 at 11:50 am

   Faux naive: “It beggars belief any politician – like John Key and Judith Collins – wants to have anything to do with him.” …
   Is not the right tone in this instance, imo.

   I know he probably wanted to sound “blokey” and “relaxed”. But it comes across to me (in an awful schoolyard analogy) like the kid who is happy to attack and make fun of the bully when he’s finally lost his power and no longer a threat, but too craven to challenge the still popular kids who set the bully onto his mates in the first place.

   It still seems like try-hard stuff and I still think that trying to be-Key (like Jeremy Wells being ‘Like-Mike’) is a tactical error that has plagued the party since Key became PM.
   • lprent 3.1

     8 June 2015 at 11:53 am

     There is no right “tone” when dealing with arseholes like Slater.

     He is a criminal and belongs in prison. I am mostly surprised at the slow pace that the police have in handling any complaint about him.

     I’ll be laying a complaint with the police against him sooner rather than later. I’d like to find out if they are actually doing something, or if we should start fundraising for a private prosecution and/or a civil suit.

     I want to know who in the hell is funding the arsehole to attack my systems.
     • just saying 3.1.1

       8 June 2015 at 11:58 am

       So do Collins and Key.
       • Tracey 3.1.1.1

         8 June 2015 at 3:42 pm

         LOL!
     • Anne 3.1.2

       8 June 2015 at 12:07 pm

       Glad to hear it Iprent and if we can help in any way please let us know.
       • Chooky 3.1.2.1

         8 June 2015 at 2:49 pm

         +100
     • One Anonymous Bloke 3.1.3

       8 June 2015 at 12:30 pm

       Discovery, records of payments into bank accounts, nom nom nom 😈
     • just saying 3.1.4

       8 June 2015 at 12:33 pm

       I appreciate your efforts on our behalf LPrent, and how angry you must be feeling. Just let us know and I’m sure we’ll all support any action you decide to take according to our means.

       But the main political angle in this, for the leader of the opposition, is the corruption going all the way to the top and the whole point of “Dirty Politics’ was that this is not just politics as usual. It’s a whole new ballgame and there is plenty of evidence that Key and Collins have been using Slater’s vicious and illegal behaviour to competely subvert parliamentary democracy.

       Which is a bit more serious than ‘beggars belief they’d hang out with him,’ imo.
       • weka 3.1.4.1

         8 June 2015 at 12:39 pm

         They tried that (Hager’s book). I think Little is keeping it very simple: Slater is extremely toxic to NZ politics. The National govt has close ties with Slater, including the Prime Minister of NZ.
         • Colonial Rawshark 3.1.4.1.1

           8 June 2015 at 12:42 pm

           Unfortunately I don’t believe the Left can win this by pushing on personality politics.
           • weka 3.1.4.1.1.1

             8 June 2015 at 12:52 pm

             It’s not personality politics.
       • lprent 3.1.4.2

         8 June 2015 at 1:36 pm

         More irritated than angry.

         Hard enough finding the time to make sure this site survives its continuous growth.

         Having some ‘funder’ performing a criminal act of funding a break-in to the machines just raises the effort level.

         I have to assume that eventually (s)he will realize the getting an incompetent arsehole to organize it is a waste of everyone’s time, and they will hire someone competent. The police appear to treat known attempts as being something they can idle away on and therefore don’t act as any kind of deterrence. Meanwhile I and everyone else in the business community will need to put more and more effort into private protection while the police allow the criminals like Slater their freedom to break the law.

         But if the damn police don’t get off their acre and stop bloody Cameron Slater breaking into computers, then clearly the changes to the Crimes Act are not worth respecting. This is the third *known* breach by Slater of the Crimes Act with regard to computer systems. So far nothing has happened.

         Perhaps opening up the systems of individual police and politician’s systems to public view would help concentrate their minds.

         In my case, I think that some honeytraps with a responding obliterating sting.
       • Draco T Bastard 3.1.4.3

         8 June 2015 at 1:47 pm

         Which is a bit more serious than ‘beggars belief they’d hang out with him,’ imo.

         Yep, that was what I was thinking. They hang out with him because he’s a useful tool and then there’s the old saw: Birds of a feather flock together
       • Bob 3.1.4.4

         9 June 2015 at 1:28 pm

         “there is plenty of evidence that Key and Collins have been using Slater’s vicious and illegal behaviour to competely subvert parliamentary democracy”
         Interesting comment, can you please give me an example of where Key has used Slater’s alleged illegal behavior to subvert parliamentary democracy? I just haven’t seen any of the evidence you mention?
         • One Anonymous Bloke 3.1.4.4.1

           9 June 2015 at 2:13 pm

           How about “not immediately reporting Cameron Slater to the Police when he confessed to Jason Ede that he had illegally accessed the Labour Party’s computer system?

           How about Ede authoring Slater’s ‘hits’?

           Yes, yes, I know: your personal responsibility demands that those things are trivial.
     • linda 3.1.5

       8 June 2015 at 3:19 pm

       I want to donate to that. One.
     • whateva next? 3.1.6

       8 June 2015 at 6:30 pm

       exactly, thankyou Iprent
       “There is no right “tone”..” why do people feel compelled to distract?
   • Colonial Rawshark 3.2

     8 June 2015 at 12:06 pm

     There is something about the public tone which still doesn’t connect well, as you have picked up.

     The issue for Little should not be condemning Slater as an unsavoury individual; the issue (as Hager has pointed out) is further proof of how the entire system of Dirty Politics works and how it relies on people willing to deal with individuals like Slater.
     • Chooky 3.2.1

       8 June 2015 at 3:11 pm

       agreed…who put the word out to Slater to organise the illegal hacking hit contract?…was it the jonkey Nacts?

       …still it is good if Slater is bagged….and he may incriminate his masters
       • Tracey 3.2.1.1

         8 June 2015 at 3:45 pm

         his own hatred of the standard? That drove him to convince a “funder” that it had a worth beyond his petty vendetta.
4. Detrie 4

   8 June 2015 at 11:56 am

   Andrew is correct. But all this is just a re-run of the hollow men TV documentary years ago, but with a change of casting and more open, vindictive. The sad thing is that most NZ’ers, especially the younger generation don’t seem to care. Perhaps they simply don’t have the time available or become part of our more selfish, isolated society.

   Maybe this sort of ongoing corruption itself is part of the problem, turning the younger ones away from politics and politicians generally be they left or right leaning? Years back there would have been more backlash. Changes and downsizing of the media to focus more upon entertainment and profits likely has a lot to do with it too.

   We are like sheep.
   • Tracey 4.1

     8 June 2015 at 3:46 pm

     “especially the younger generation ”

     In my experience tit’s the over 40’s who don’t care as long as they think they are benefiting from the government “policies”.
   • RedLogix 4.2

     8 June 2015 at 4:38 pm

     Sadly yes.

     Which is why the few of us who aren’t browsing obliviously are all the more vital.
5. T Chris 5

   8 June 2015 at 12:07 pm

   “Cameron Slater is probably the most toxic influence on New Zealand politics that we’ve ever had,”

   Has Andy not heard of Kim Dotcom?
   • Anne 5.1

     8 June 2015 at 12:13 pm

     Oooo lookie… the first “trole” has arrived.

     Sweepstake on how long it takes before the speeding motorcade and the signed painting show up.
     • halfcrown 5.1.1

       8 June 2015 at 12:21 pm

       Nice one Anne
     • freedom 5.1.2

       8 June 2015 at 12:41 pm

       In a lovely twist of fate, the wailing about the signed painting has been thoroughly muted, thanks to the actions of John Key himself.
       http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-05062015/#comment-1025416
     • dukeofurl 5.1.3

       8 June 2015 at 1:12 pm

       You mean Gibbs funding ACT all these years as his parliament poodle isnt the same as Dotcom.?

       Alan Gibbs was the one who created frankenstein like, Rodney Hide who was a tutor at Lincoln University, until he became a sort of speechwriter for Gibbs and thus an ACT MP.
       The funny thing is that Hide was what would be called today a permanent student until he got a very bottom rung of academic life – with a couple of bachelors and a masters from a former teacher’s college in Idaho- would not be going any higher.
       But never was the ‘academic’ millstone hung a round his neck, or his privileged position as the son of a rural truck operator who in those days was protected from competition in his area.
       • Skinny 5.1.3.1

         8 June 2015 at 2:41 pm

         Such a pity Rodders didn’t stay put in bum fuck Idaho, Lincoln is no step up.
         • Colonial Rawshark 5.1.3.1.1

           8 June 2015 at 3:16 pm

           Hide knows his way working around on a North Sea oil rig and also on a gas processing plant; that’s more than can be said for just about any member of the Labour caucus.
           • Skinny 5.1.3.1.1.1

             8 June 2015 at 3:42 pm

             Yes that’s true I had forgotten, most of the LP caucus would faint at the thought of working on an oil rig. Phil Goff Off would dispute he worked harder on the chain at a freezing works…cough cough.
             • just saying …

               8 June 2015 at 7:49 pm

               You mean when he worked there in his school holidays – in the most strongly union-protected industry in the country…..

               edit – at the time it was a real bastion. Then there came a government that started turning the clock backwards for workers towards the feudal conditions we have today. Who were those people…I can’t quite remember?
               • Skinny …

                 8 June 2015 at 8:05 pm

                 It always sounds good when Goff Off casually mentions that one to the media interviewer, it gives him meat creds. We can expect to see him on the front line of upcoming pickets against newly knighted Sir Peter Slave-Driver, shiny new white gumboots and all.
           • Dave_1924 5.1.3.1.1.2

             8 June 2015 at 4:20 pm

             Nicely said Tat……
     • Chooky 5.1.4

       8 June 2015 at 3:15 pm

       +100 Anne
6. maui 6

   8 June 2015 at 12:18 pm

   Beggars belief that this man still has a slot on one of NZ’s biggest radio stations…
   • dukeofurl 6.1

     8 June 2015 at 1:18 pm

     His close friend is the host Larry Williams.

     As well Slater is close to the the morning guy Leighton Smith.

     Slater has a very strong network in the media, especially Radio ZB
     • maui 6.1.1

       8 June 2015 at 1:32 pm

       It shouldn’t matter who your friends are, if you’re that corrupt you shouldn’t be allowed to freely broadcast your views via mainstream media to a New Zealand audience.
       • Colonial Rawshark 6.1.1.1

         8 June 2015 at 3:19 pm

         Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the MSM!
       • lilman 6.1.1.2

         9 June 2015 at 8:13 am

         Seriously? If thats corruption then it makes the Labour election process look like the worlds worst cock up ever.
   • Tracey 6.2

     8 June 2015 at 3:47 pm

     so does Hooton… who has given out a street name in a response to a request to harm someone…
7. weka 7

   8 June 2015 at 12:25 pm

   BTW: And who allowed this politician to state the clear and obvious truth in public.

   Cameron Slater is probably the most toxic influence on New Zealand politics that we’ve ever had, and a most unwelcome one

   Little’s apparently never going to get it right (see comments above), so good on him for just speaking the truth.
   • Chooky 7.1

     8 June 2015 at 2:55 pm

     yes good one Andrew Little for calling it as it is!…brownie points to Labour…keep it up!
   • Jenny Kirk 7.2

     8 June 2015 at 3:22 pm

     @ weka – Yep. Little speaks as he sees it …. which is what most of us see too, but somehow the MSM just cannot !
     • Anne 7.2.1

       8 June 2015 at 4:01 pm

       Will not. Fify.
8. Fairy Dust 8

   8 June 2015 at 12:33 pm

   I admit it. I am Norman Kirk writing here under an alias.

   Take me away, Ossifer. >offers up wrists for handcuffs<
   • lprent 8.1

     8 June 2015 at 1:03 pm

     Hey – we also don’t allow ghost writers
     • Sans Cle 8.1.1

       8 June 2015 at 1:56 pm

       lol
9. Treetop 9

   8 June 2015 at 12:49 pm

   Every time that Slater is caught out, he would make a few MPs on the right nervous. Having a link to a few MPs in government, when it comes to a police investigation, I doubt that the police would be transparent when it came to MPs in government.

   Is Slater trying to stall the Rawshark investigation to protect MPs who are in government?

   Little is right about the damage that Slater does.

   Key needs to hold a ministerial inquiry into Slater and have his toxic blog site shut down.
   • tc 9.1

     8 June 2015 at 1:19 pm

     Not gunna happen as the oliy orca has heaps on Key’s crew and probably the man himself thanks to that other afction.

     There’s a reason why Key is besties with him and apologised in public and it’s not hot share tips, top wines or great Hawaii restaurants.
     • Treetop 9.1.1

       8 June 2015 at 1:41 pm

       I knew that I was dreaming that Key would intervene.
10. weka 10

    8 June 2015 at 12:51 pm

    Can anyone get the video of Little to play?
    • te reo putake 10.1

      8 June 2015 at 12:57 pm

      Not working for me (though the ad played).
      • weka 10.1.1

        8 June 2015 at 1:10 pm

        ok, ta. I got prompted to update Flashplayer, but it still doesn’t work (I got the ad as well).
        • Draco T Bastard 10.1.1.1

          8 June 2015 at 2:31 pm

          I just get the ad and then the video disappears.
      • Alpha Z 10.1.2

        8 June 2015 at 6:55 pm

        May be Slater ordered Key to order Gower to disorder the video clip…the circle of fiends friends.
    • Sable 10.2

      8 June 2015 at 4:12 pm

      No the video did not work for me either.
11. T Chris 11

    8 June 2015 at 1:39 pm

    It beggars belief that Little is going on about that idiot Slater as “probably the most toxic influence on New Zealand politics that we’ve ever had” when Kim Dotcom basically high jacked the countries media for most of the election build up with his “moment of truth”. Labour’s campaign was pushed to the back

    It was singularly one of the worst influences for labour of the whole election and they don’t seem to have put it in their review
    • te reo putake 11.1

      8 June 2015 at 1:51 pm

      It’s in there. I’d tell you where, but it would be better if you actually read the review and found it for yourself.
    • Draco T Bastard 11.2

      8 June 2015 at 2:33 pm

      Last time I looked the MSM were pretty much owned by RWNJs.
    • Tracey 11.3

      8 June 2015 at 3:49 pm

      none of which changes the connection between two elected politicians (PM and Collins) and a terrible, duplicitous. vindictive blogger for their own ends.
    • whateva next? 11.4

      8 June 2015 at 6:34 pm

      would National have got in a 2nd time without the venal flip side of their smiley image working hard beneath the surface?
12. T Chris 12

    8 June 2015 at 2:15 pm

    Only as a general aligning comment
    • te reo putake 12.1

      8 June 2015 at 2:35 pm

      That’s the nature of these documents, T Chris. And, if the review had mentioned KDC by name, the headlines would have read ‘Labour still in denial, blames Kim Dotcom for election loss’ etc.
      • T Chris 12.1.1

        8 June 2015 at 3:02 pm

        True I suppose
13. Aaron 13

    8 June 2015 at 2:40 pm

    Can I be psuedonym for Andrew Little too?
    • r0b 13.1

      8 June 2015 at 3:56 pm

      Are you sure you don’t want to be Helen Clark? Running us from New York? That would be cool!
      • Anaru Iti-kaore ia 13.1.1

        8 June 2015 at 4:26 pm

        This pseudonym is for sale;-)
14. whateva next? 14

    8 June 2015 at 5:29 pm

    “It beggars belief any politician – like John Key and Judith Collins – wants to have anything to do with him.” …

    absobloodylutely Andrew, daylight is the best disinfectant, ad disinfectant is what is needed.
15. Shane Hogg 15

    8 June 2015 at 6:44 pm

    I wonder with the secret life of Posters on The Standard.
    If a secret left winger (HI CAM!) posts on here LOL
    • te reo putake 15.1

      8 June 2015 at 7:10 pm

      I’m pretty sure Cam does post here, or at least has done in the past. Might be a bit busy with all the legals to do so at the moment though.
      • b waghorn 15.1.1

        8 June 2015 at 7:19 pm

        I did wonder if my mate from the other day ” the prior of scion “may have been him its been awhile since anything that odds happened around me.
        • te reo putake 15.1.1.1

          8 June 2015 at 7:43 pm

          Well, one thing I know is that there’s no way of knowing. And really, it’s kind of irrelevant. And given the hundreds, maybe thousands, who have commented here, if you do try and guess who’s behind a comment, chances are you’ll be miles off.
          • b waghorn 15.1.1.1.1

            8 June 2015 at 8:05 pm

            Yes but it keeps me amused while I’m chipping thistles . I’ve even wondered at times that key him self doesn’t comment occasionally he’d be the type .
16. Ad 16

    8 June 2015 at 7:23 pm

    Total effect on me of authors and commentators here is to feel hopeful, more hopeful than for Greens or Labour as parties.

    the Usual Suspects here would make for quite a good night out.
    • vaughan little 16.1

      8 June 2015 at 9:04 pm

      +1
17. Reddelusion 17

    8 June 2015 at 10:27 pm

    Me think you all over exaggerate the importance of this site. Michael Laws had a right ” blogging is simply electronic masterbation” irrespective of left and right. Why any one one would give a toss who blogs is beyond me
    • Colonial Rawshark 17.1

      8 June 2015 at 11:18 pm

      Tell it to the PM’s office, whose staff read The Standard daily.
    • McFlock 17.2

      8 June 2015 at 11:34 pm

      9 grand is a pretty impressive toss.

      Yo mamma gives handjobs for free 😛
18. Croat.5 18

    9 June 2015 at 5:55 am

    Who would allow the Leader of the opposition to “State the clear and obvious truth in public” and on Radio Live, aka Media works own station no less. Interesting question. Pretty obvious why it can’t be found on their website now really. I dunno why no one has referred to the other ” blog site” efforts on FB regarding Campbell Live. The page “Boycott TV 3 for Killing off Campbell Live”. Formerly “Save Campbell Live” is doing what others could not on MSM. That page has effectively brought down the ratings on TV3 by tens of thousands and may well contribute to its demise. Except that the new owners are probably going to sell it off in pieces anyway and then what will happen to all the “hollow men and woman” then. Karma is as Karma does, as they say.

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