Local Bodies: Whale Oil and Tolley Attacked Principals and Myself

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1. ianmac 1

   4 September 2014 at 8:56 pm

   Dave. I expect that you have read Kelvin Smythe’s column about that Tolly/MOE/Slater link?
   http://networkonnet.wordpress.com/2014/09/03/the-ministry-of-education-and-whale-oil-an-introduction/
   • Dave Kennedy (bsprout) 1.1

     4 September 2014 at 9:50 pm

     Thanks, ianmac, yes I have it’s actually the first link in my post and caused me to think about my own situation with fresh eyes.
2. AmaKiwi 2

   4 September 2014 at 9:13 pm

   Another question is, “How many additional Nat MPs used Slater to destroy their opponents?”

   This now qualifies as a criminal conspiracy.
3. Inky 3

   4 September 2014 at 9:35 pm

   That’s just appalling. This is New Zealand. I may be wrong here but I was under the impression it wasn’t a facist state. I thought it was a democracy, where you had the right to pop your head up over the parapet and disagree with Government policies without the likelihood of a hidden sniper blasting it off your shoulders. My god, if this lot retain power, our freedom’s buggared.
   • Paul 3.1

     4 September 2014 at 9:42 pm

     Clearly democracy in NZ is under threat.
     Wonder whether the Herald will report it this time.
4. Dave Kennedy (bsprout) 4

   4 September 2014 at 9:58 pm

   Thanks for reposting this but one small correction, I’m the candidate for the Invercargill electorate. I have actually just returned from a School Trustees Association candidates’ forum and it was interesting that the only candidates present were from Labour and the Greens. I thought education would be one of the biggest priorities for this election.
   • lprent 4.1

     4 September 2014 at 10:21 pm

     Sorry about that. Correcting now.
5. adam 5

   4 September 2014 at 10:32 pm

   Wow, looked on whale oil, because of this post and there is about 6 or 7 people who support him. I’m shocked there was that still that many deluded people in NZ.
   • Dave Kennedy (bsprout) 5.1

     4 September 2014 at 11:15 pm

     Adam, it may be better now, this post from Slater is actually a year old and pre ‘Dirty Politics’.
     • adam 5.1.1

       5 September 2014 at 9:06 am

       No, not that page – my your touchy. The page supporting Slatter going to court. That page had more than 6-7 supporters. So dave you one of the deluded???
6. reason 6

   4 September 2014 at 10:54 pm

   Tolley has always struck me as a crusher wanabe and side kick.

   Bennet too has played their game releasing private details of people she wanted to attack…… back in the early days as she recreated WINZ into her own house of pain.

   Key has a lot to answer for, the national party and parliament has turned into a rats nest under his leadership.
7. Jrobin 7

   4 September 2014 at 11:05 pm

   Thanks Dave. This government want to eliminate protest and real education. Critical thinking will be eliminated if they get back in. Depoliticised education is just robotics for compliant workers. Vote them out!
8. Picard110 8

   4 September 2014 at 11:24 pm

   Having dealt with slater for a few years now, it is no surprise he was happy to be Tolleys attack dog on national standards. He is filled with hate when it comes to teachers, and gleefully attack them at every opportunity. He puts himself forward as informed, yet says amazingly stupid, disproved things when it comes to education an how kids learn.

   I truly hope national is defeated at the election for the sake of our children and their educational hopes. And if slater is taken down as well because of the truth being out in the public all the better for nz.
9. Hone Tibble 9

   5 September 2014 at 8:36 am

   a list that continues to grow. I am a fan of charter schools having been involved with Tu Toa and seen the number of applications applying under that and the newer remodeled version. For Maori it provides the opportunity to use a framework outside of the norm to improve maori education. Tu Toa, Nga Taiatea and kura Hourua in Whangarei are cases in point. Their achievement standards exceed those from mainstream schools.
   • Dave Kennedy (bsprout) 9.1

     5 September 2014 at 12:21 pm

     We should be able to do the same thing with our current public school system because they are actually Charter Schools anyway, in that they are independently managed, have a charter and can construct a curriculum and teaching style that best meets the needs of the students.

     We shouldn’t need to introduce another model that can pay teachers anything they like, employ non qualified and registered teachers, make a profit that does not have to be fed back into the school and be outside of the OIA in terms of accountability…

     Rather then introduce a system that may succeed but also has a higher chance of failing why don’t we just improve the system we have so that all schools deliver the best for our kids.
     • greywarbler 9.1.1

       5 September 2014 at 1:39 pm

       @ Dave Kennedy
       It is weird to have charter schools with such open opportunities for graft, mistakes, sexual predators, etc. When Maori were found to be doing something not quite right in their schools, colleges, they were put through the mincing machine. Yet the gates are open to charter schools run by nearly anyone who has a good line. So what’s behind this? Are we going to get Rymans etc going into running schools as the market for old peoples homes dries up? A nice diversification by a private company into government business. With all the hoopla about how they can do it more efficiently etc etc.
     • Hone Tibble 9.1.2

       5 September 2014 at 3:05 pm

       hmmmm, one can only wish that mainstream could deliver for all our maori students. Unfortunately the statistics show that the current system isnt working. So kura kaupapa, a iwi and maori charter schools are delivering for maori so why wouldnt we, 100 odd years for mainstream to sort it out surely is enough.

       There will always be the occassional hiccup in maori education but they are still delivering higher than mainstream.

       My experience in being at the start of Tu Toa was no teacher salaries for the first year, no support from MOE, Correspondence School providing the curriculum and minimal teacher support then the rest of us finding other work to pay our bills. After 7 years of successful NCEA results and resistance from mainstream schools funding from MOE. Waiting for mainstream schools to adjust would take too long.
     • Halcyon 9.1.3

       7 September 2014 at 10:17 pm

       Actually you definition of a Charter School sounds like it comes from the NZEI garbage. International experience shows that Charter Schools can provide niche education for students that main stream schools are failing. In most cases, rather than taking a profit, the organisation running the school are pouring additional funds into providing the education for the kids.

       And sometimes the best teachers are not necessarily those who are registered with the Teachers Council. Remember, teaching is a function of relationship. The old adage is very true. “They want to know how much you care before they care how much you know”.
       • dv 9.1.3.1

         7 September 2014 at 10:22 pm

         “International experience shows that Charter Schools can provide niche education for students that main stream schools are failing. In most cases, rather than taking a profit

         Citations please.
10. ropata 10

    5 September 2014 at 11:36 am

    i thought redbaiter was pretty much the worst RWNJ in NZ but whale surely takes the prize now.
    • lprent 10.1

      5 September 2014 at 12:43 pm

      Redbaiter never struck me as being anything but rather politically and economically wrong-headed. From his online personality, I can’t imagine him as being anything like as despicable in his actions as Cameron Slater is.
11. fambo 11

    5 September 2014 at 1:37 pm

    It’s starting to look like Slater was being systematically being used by a significant part of the National Government’s cabinet as part of its normal operations.
    • Rich 11.1

      5 September 2014 at 10:47 pm

      yes, but if you pay for a resource you don’t want to under-utilise it.

      Another instruction that has obviously come from the holidaying Hawaiian.
12. millsy 12

    8 September 2014 at 10:05 pm

    Halcyon/Hone,

    DO you think education provision should be privatised?

    Do you think creationism should be taught in our schools?
13. Tautoko Viper 13

    8 September 2014 at 10:18 pm

    Here is some reading for Halcyon regarding charter schools.

    http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/08/21/fbi-tracks-charter-schools

    http://www.commondreams.org/views/2013/10/20/charter-schools-and-future-public-education

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