Luxon’s days are numbered

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1. Ad 1

   14 May 2023 at 8:48 pm

   It is really impressive that Labour has taken so little hit from all the political damage it has sustained recently. We've got 3 polls in 1 weekend saying the same thing.

   Luxon should have been able to smash Labour for: Cyclone Gabrielle response; Stuart Nash; Meka Whaitiri; school strikes; hospital crises; unstable coalition partners; income corrosion from inflation and interest rate hikes; uninspiring pre-budget launches, and more.

   Neither Luxon nor Willis are doing the job expected of them even when Labour make it easy.
   • Sanctuary 1.1

     14 May 2023 at 9:44 pm

     I've been pretty confident Labour will squeak in because National's biggest problem is no one likes their policies. After six years they are still peddling the same stuff that Bill English was pushing. Add to that a deeply out of touch caucus dominated by culture war evangelicals and Luxon is the least of their worries.
     • SPC 1.1.1

       14 May 2023 at 10:20 pm

       The rentier generation can see that Luxon is a landlord promoting policies that enrich himself.

       That never happened under Key (money made offshore and in a trust) and English farmowner (and double dipper assisted by parliamentary rules) not so much.

       National could always change their policies and remove the real problem.
     • Craig H 1.1.2

       15 May 2023 at 11:34 am

       Some of their tax and landlord policies basically made me think they had decided to fight over the 2017 election all over again…
     • Kevin 1.1.3

       15 May 2023 at 12:02 pm

       The much talked about ‘policy machine’ under Simon Bridges disappeared quietly.
       • Lanthanide 1.1.3.1

         16 May 2023 at 2:49 pm

         It actually never existed.
     • infused 1.1.4

       16 May 2023 at 10:34 pm

       It's not their policies. It's their people.
   • newsense 1.2

     15 May 2023 at 4:33 pm

     F me mate. You were reading intercine bloodshed and worse, a lack of disingenuous argument from B-diddy Dottore Edwards, based on a 1.4% drop in the Greens.

     I was waiting with baited breath to see what 2.4! 2…. point……4 would mean for the National Party who let’s not forget are on their 4th leader of this time in opposition, unless I’m mistaking it, with a clear and awkward factionalisation between those that JK like don’t really believe in anything and those who are signed up to Republican esque theocracy and celebrated the abortion ban in the states and their war on women.

     A failure of the conservative faction? A disloyal liberal faction stirring? Wealthy donors not getting value for money?
     • Ad 1.2.1

       15 May 2023 at 5:09 pm

       A 1.4% drop in Green vote is over 10% of their vote.

       A 2.4% drop in Labour vote is less than 4%.

       The Green drop means more both to them and to the future of a progressive government in New Zealand.
       • newsense 1.2.1.1

         16 May 2023 at 12:23 pm

         Or it’s not a trend in Green vote which has bounced around and is well within the error margin of the polls. It shows that there is strength in the core Green vote.

         Luxon’s shows that in right wing circles there is a fair amount of discontent with him, but they’re not quite sure what to do.

         I’m not a tea leaf reader the way you are, but fracturing opposition, alongside some bizarre ideas like this receipt system, seem more consequential than a small movement of the Green vote.

         And with Luxon currently on 16 popularity rating means that a drop of 2 points would be a loss of 15% of his rating.

         Lies, damn lies and whatever Shane Jones and Stephen Joyce like to say about the Greens in election season…
       • newsense 1.2.1.2

         16 May 2023 at 12:25 pm

         Oh sorry from the article above and the point of the thread- Luxon has dropped 2.4 points in popularity. Can’t edit my comment for some reason.
   • Ngungukai 1.3

     16 May 2023 at 6:09 am

     Luxton should head back to McDonalds probably find a job as a Kitchen Hand.
2. Incognito 2

   14 May 2023 at 8:50 pm

   With his landing gear firmly locked on the runway, he never got lift-off. He’ll make a good real-estate agent.
3. tWiggle 3

   14 May 2023 at 8:51 pm

   With super large personalities John Tamahere, Ol' Winnie, and now Brian Tamaki all pumping up glossy personas for the election, no wonder Luxon's looking to the electorate as appetising as a tired white bread sandwich with a piece of limp lettuce and a slice of luncheon. They will crowd him out in the news cycle.
   • Graeme 3.1

     14 May 2023 at 9:14 pm

     Not only crowd him out of the news cycle, probably crowd National out of the treasury benches. 4 or 5 parties around 4% scrapping over the 'don't like Labour' vote and it's 3 more years…
   • Thinker 3.2

     15 May 2023 at 6:34 am

     I wonder if TPM will try and poach him
     • tWiggle 3.2.1

       16 May 2023 at 12:11 am

       (Heavy dose of /sarc) To extend my food analogy, TMP would only consider poaching Luxon lightly with vinegar, perhaps with a sprig of parsley.
     • Ngungukai 3.2.2

       16 May 2023 at 6:10 am

       He could stand for TMP in the Pakuranga Electorate ???
4. tsmithfield 4

   14 May 2023 at 9:13 pm

   It all depends how you want to spin the numbers. An equally justified headline would have been "Labour loses nearly twice as much support as National".

   Though, that heading is completely inane as well. But, is technically true.
   • Sanctuary 4.1

     14 May 2023 at 9:46 pm

     National should be miles ahead of Labour given all the economic problems the country is having right now. The fact is Luxon is unpopular and so are their policies.
     • tsmithfield 4.1.1

       14 May 2023 at 9:51 pm

       We will see.

       Paradoxically, the fact the polls are so close with TMP as the king-maker is likely not good for Labour. If that is still the situation at the election, then there could be tactical voting to keep TMP out of government.

       I think Luxon's problem is that he just needs to be himself, and not try and do all sorts of cringe-worthy stuff to show he is an average bloke. And, actually hold a firm confident stance on issues, and not listen too much to his spin doctors.
       • SPC 4.1.1.1

         14 May 2023 at 10:33 pm

         No Luxon being himself is the problem – as in a person advantaged by having assets and access to finance to leverage that to generate more and more wealth via property. His policies are designed to suit those of his class against the majority of other New Zealanders.

         Exploiting global inflation caused by logistic impacts – pandemic, war and sanctions as well as domestic credit growth to prevent pandemic recession and pandering to settler fears of Maori aspiration for redress is all National has to hid this.

         As for TPM with confidence and supply votes – National gave them whanau ora (yet oppose Maori Health), they oppose He Puapua – the report was only done after they signed us up to the UN Right of the Indigenous Peoples. Can you imagine what National would have said if Labour had done these things …

         And what would National give TPM for c and s if they need it from 2023 – so they can restore mortgage interest deductibility against rent income and cut the brightline test to 2 years, adjust tax threshholds (each one generates its own tax cut to those at the top levels of income) etc.
       • bwaghorn 4.1.1.2

         15 May 2023 at 6:34 am

         " If that is still the situation at the election, then there could be tactical voting to keep TMP out of government.

         Your going to have to plant that seed in alot in more fertile soil than at the standard if you want it to take root.
       • Sanctuary 4.1.1.3

         15 May 2023 at 8:00 am

         "Luxon being himself" means a multi-millionaire wearing an ill-fitting (probably hired) morning suit to the coronation.

         I mean, for God's sake man. You are very rich. You've had weeks and weeks of notice. You are going to a who’s who of the monied snob class in a city which boasts Saville Row. And you go in an off the peg outfit? Jesus wept. For the love of all that is good, just get 20k out of your fat, fat bank account and get a bloody suit that fits made for you by a decent NZ tailor, And let everyone know you are supporting NZ business while you do it.

         It just speaks to a certain Philistinism and to very bad judgement.
         • Patricia Bremner 4.1.1.3.1

           15 May 2023 at 10:16 am

           No generosity of spirit and or compassion is evident imo.
         • tWiggle 4.1.1.3.2

           16 May 2023 at 12:20 am

           Luxon’s lack of style – well spotted. I think I’ve seen him recently in a too-small acrylic knitwear vest from The Warehouse, like my son buys for work.

           Key at least had a 'Wolf of Wall St' crossed with stylish exercise wear vibe.
     • Ngungukai 4.1.2

       15 May 2023 at 3:16 am

       A Bible Banging, Corporate Chrome Dome only appeals to a certain sector of New Zealand's Society.
       • Thinker 4.1.2.1

         15 May 2023 at 6:47 am

         Not that I warm to Luxon, but I don't think of him as a Bible-banger – not in his political speeches anyway.

         I think of him more as saying the things that will please his political masters, and not what swinging voters want to hear, being his downfall. I guess that could be a carryover from him being a business-leader-turned-politician, as opposed to someone with nothing but political experience.

         In the 2020 election, National installed Judith Collins in July before the October election, so its not impossible they will do the same again. But, perhaps a follow-up article to this one would be who the heck is waiting in the wings to take Luxon's place?
         • Stephen D 4.1.2.1.1

           15 May 2023 at 10:13 am

           So who are the usual suspects?

           Bishop, Willis, Woodhouse????

           And of course (drum roll please) JUDITH.
       • tWiggle 4.1.2.2

         16 May 2023 at 11:17 am

         https://thestandard.org.nz/nationals-fundamentals/

         Not having been at TS for long, this old post of TS from my duckduckgo search seems the best examination of Luxon's religious leanings.

         How will Luxon's affiliation with The Upper Room sect play out if he gets to be PM? Will he be a climate denier Scott Morrison prosperity Christian (emphasis prosperity, not Christian), with a moral compass out of a Christmas Cracker? Or like Bill English, a strong Catholic who didn't bring religious specifics into political action except in conscience votes on abortion, gay marriage and euthanasia?
         Guessing the first.
5. Reality 5

   14 May 2023 at 9:16 pm

   His photo with Richie McCaw on a bridge while in London for the Coronation, dressed in an ill-fitting morning suit, said it all. There was Richie, looking impressive, and there was Luxon, looking awkward and not the least like a potential PM.
   • Tiger Mountain 5.1

     15 May 2023 at 6:48 am

     Yes, Baldrick has never clicked–‘baggy trousers’ with formal dress is rarely a good look. Mr McCaw was another closet tory during his rugby career, rarely commenting on anything non oval ball related.

     Hopefully NZ Natzos will keep Mr Luxon on for the General Election!
     • Peter 5.1.1

       15 May 2023 at 7:36 am

       Often I saw inane attacks on Jacinda Arden for what she was wearing. If the best that can be come up with to malign Luxon’s suitability to be PM he’s well on the way to winning.

       McCaw got at for rarely commenting on anything non-rugby? Dear oh dear.
       • Sanctuary 5.1.1.1

         15 May 2023 at 8:34 am

         Off the peg is unforgivable for the coronation. I'm sorry, but that is just common sense.
         • Belladonna 5.1.1.1.1

           15 May 2023 at 4:49 pm

           Hipkins' was from Barkers

           NZ Herald archived

           https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/beehive-diaries-chris-hipkins-trades-coronation-wardrobe-notes-with-justin-trudeau-and-anthony-albanese-chris-of-the-week-and-the-ministers-who-share-an-artwork/BCA5FQZAFJFCFIIJOVE6OKRHXI/

           https://archive.ph/U6F3C

           I don't have an issue with where the suits come from (though NZ designers would be nice) – but they should fit, and make the wearer look professional.
       • Tiger Mountain 5.1.1.2

         15 May 2023 at 8:46 am

         Jacinda had a sense of style and generally wore NZ designers work–way different from a last minute suit that would look bad at the school prom.
   • James Simpson 5.2

     15 May 2023 at 10:03 am

     Is this the level we have got to?

     How on earth does his choice of clothing have anything to do with his ability to be PM? There is plenty to critique him on. Physical appearance isn't one of them.

     For years we shook our heads at the right doing this with Jacinda. Can we please not repeat their gutter politics.
     • Drowsy M. Kram 5.2.1

       15 May 2023 at 11:39 am

       You're right, of course – appearance/fashion-wise, Luxon is a step up from some politically successful past leaders of the National party, and a step down from others. Ideally, fashion would matter a lot less than policy, ability and track-record. Ideally…

       Opinion: Is It Okay to Talk About Fashion & Politics? [21 Oct 2020]
       Here's hoping that's what many politicians were able to relax in at home, even for a moment, after a seemingly never-ending campaign – before the parliamentary power suits reappear.
6. Thinker 6

   15 May 2023 at 6:41 am

   

   OMG you are right! He's wearing low-rider pants and the bottom half says he is about to ram-raid a dairy.

   If the photographer had moved him a little to our left, he could have had a halo…
   • PsyclingLeft.Always 6.1

     15 May 2023 at 7:01 pm

     Lol..The photo op. Ol' Richie, Richie, Richie, ..natfan. Did their minders tell them : No "cling-on " revisits ?!

     https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/key-drops-ball-with-cling-on-handshake-at-all-blacks-final-watch-video/UMV5TTRU2ENBNI3JM3RGXCCUIU/
7. Alan 7

   15 May 2023 at 8:52 am

   Labour's days are numbered more like
   • Ngungukai 7.1

     16 May 2023 at 6:34 am

     Both Labour and National's Days are Numbered, both the same just like Pepsi and Coke.
8. Peter 8

   15 May 2023 at 9:59 am

   Will National trot out the line …again….that we just got to know him and that he is a great guy according to Shane Reti?

   Luxon may be 'working hard' but he has been long enough in the job for people to know him. Let's face it, he is not popular.

   His style of opposing is robotic and always negative and therefore comes across as insincere and untrustworthy.
9. alwyn 9

   15 May 2023 at 10:13 am

   I fear that the writer of this piece, and most of the commenters are whistling in the wind. Luxon is doing better than nearly all his predecessors. Hipkins is worse than any of them.

   I have had a look back into the preferred PM polls back to the 1999 election to see how the then PM and the leader of the Opposition were doing at this point in the election cycle, when we were 5 months out from the election. I was unable to find any preferred PM numbers for 2005 so that one is not counted.

   Every single Prime Minister was doing better than Hipkins is. There were 7 doing better and none who were lower than he is.

   Only 2 Opposition leaders were doing better than Luxon is. Five had lower numbers than he has.

   To claim that Hipkins is doing well and that Luxon is doomed is deserving of the retort in the Australian film The Castle. "Tell him he's dreaming"

   All the figures were taken from the Wikipedia articles on pre-election polling for the relevant election. I think I would blow the maximum number of links if I try to reference them all directly.
   • Corey 9.1

     15 May 2023 at 3:48 pm

     The incumbent prime minister is almost always miles and miles ahead the opposition simply for being the incumbent.

     It's weird seeing the left go on about preferred pm pollings when the left spent many years saying they were irrelevant due to incumbency bias.

     Bill English was miles ahead of ardern in 2017 and the left were saying it was because he's the incumbent and preferred pm is irrelevant.

     Even the snooze fest that is English was miles ahead of where Hipkins is right now and the gap between hipkins and luxon is far too small for my liking

     Winning a preferred pm polling on low 20s is nothing to be happy about it.

     I also don't know why the left keeps hoping for luxon to be replaced, Nicola Willis would be the next leader and as much as I dislike her policies she is more likable than luxon and could do far better with middle nz
   • Peterl 9.2

     15 May 2023 at 7:46 pm

     Helen Clark had notoriously bad ratings before becoming PM. So much so there was a push to get rid of her earlier on.

     She went on to become for three terms once she secured tenure.

     The difference is that she was facing the disastrous Jenny Shipley.

     This time around Luxon is facing Hipkins who is more likeable,competent and politically savvy. Luxon is a novice and not an effective one at that.
     • weka 9.2.1

       15 May 2023 at 8:05 pm

       please fix the typo in your username
   • Clive Macann 9.3

     15 May 2023 at 10:08 pm

     alwyn
     Does your research take into account the length of time they were party leaders 5 months out?

     That is the difference that you are seeing here.

     Tell me I am wrong.
     • alwyn 9.3.1

       16 May 2023 at 12:02 am

       I have no idea what you are talking about. I think that Luxon has been leader of the party for about as long as Key, or Goff …..

       Key was the most popular, Goff was the least popular. What is that supposed to prove? Meanwhile Hipkins is the least favoured PM at this stage of the cycle that any one has been in the history of MMP.
   • Ngungukai 9.4

     16 May 2023 at 6:42 am

     Luxton needs to resign and go back to McDonald's where he first started IMHO.

     He is a gift which keeps on giving for Labour.
10. Mike the Lefty 10

    15 May 2023 at 10:16 am

    First up, I don't think the preferred PM poll is worth much consideration. People answering this question tend to either name the present PM because they know who he or she is, or simply name the person who leads the party they strongly support – by default.

    The political party poll is certainly a concern for National. As others have pointed out, logically National should be well ahead of Labour at the moment with things like inflation, national debt, three waters and crime all hurting the government at the moment.

    But five months are a long time in politics. The budget may well be a key moment and I think we can expect to see mainly a disaster relief budget that avoids scaring anyone. There might be a few minor adjustments here and there but nothing that will spook the wealthy or business NZ.

    It will be a budget for re-election rather than a budget of change or progress. Exactly what National would have done under the same circumstances, although National will probably and hypocritically call it a "dullsville" budget.

    I don't blame Labour entirely. They certainly have had a loaded deck against them the last few years what with COVID, a historical mass shooting, a series of natural disasters and war-driven inflation, but it seems a shame that a party who claimed the first outright majority in MMP-era NZ failed to use it to their advantage, as National most certainly would have in the same circumstances.
    • Ngungukai 10.1

      16 May 2023 at 6:36 am

      We would all be living in Paradise if National had been in power the past six (6) years.
      • Mike the Lefty 10.1.1

        16 May 2023 at 8:09 am

        Yeah, a fool's paradise.
      • Powerman 10.1.2

        16 May 2023 at 3:48 pm

        But National was in power for the previous 9 years and we weren't in paradise, so I take it that you are being sarcastic.
11. Reality 11

    15 May 2023 at 10:17 am

    James Simpson – I well recall the endless nasty comments and vitriol and personal insults thrown at Jacinda for 5 years – well when she went to Buckingham Palace she looked absolutely stunning in a New Zealand designed gown. The Leader of the Opposition on the other hand looked as if he borrowed a much taller man's trousers. Hardly statesmanlike and very cringeworthy on the world stage. He was meant to be making a good impression I would have thought.
12. Adrian 12

    15 May 2023 at 10:41 am

    So that's who Richies footman is, I had no idea. I think he dressed himself after watching too much Downton Abbey. I'm a slovenly dresser but I don't think I've ever looked that ridiculous.
    • Phillip ure 12.1

      15 May 2023 at 12:18 pm

      A new nickname for luxon..?

      trainwreck-trou….?
    • Mac1 12.2

      15 May 2023 at 7:47 pm

      Adrian, I bet you've got a line in great headwear 🙂 or is that 'headware'? 🙂 🙂
    • Ngungukai 12.3

      16 May 2023 at 6:39 am

      Ritchie McCaw and the National Party are joined at the hip, John Key was Ritchie McCaw's best mate.
13. Sanctuary 13

    15 May 2023 at 3:11 pm

    LinkedIn bro gives upbeat powerpoint presentation in stuffy room.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132042780/national-party-leader-christopher-luxon-promises-to-give-a-receipt-to-every-taxpayer-if-elected
    • Phillip ure 13.1

      15 May 2023 at 6:40 pm

      Receipts…?

      That's a winner/wheeze of an idea..

      How have we lived without them before now..?
      • Mac1 13.1.1

        15 May 2023 at 6:47 pm

        If you get a receipt from the IRD then obviously Luxon believes you can claim the GST back in the next tax round……
        • ianmac 13.1.1.1

          15 May 2023 at 7:14 pm

          Do businesses get refunds from GST? If so would that count in the total wages and/or part of their tax bill?
          • Mac1 13.1.1.1.1

            15 May 2023 at 7:45 pm

            Don't know about that, ianmac. We discussed at today's Grey Power meeting about getting receipts so we could claim GST back. I was also being slightly 'arch'. cf Macmillan dictionary.
            • ianmac 13.1.1.1.1.1

              15 May 2023 at 8:51 pm

              Mac. I have always wondered if a business can claim back off paid GST. If so then food claimed as a business expense means that some people would be getting say food or clothing as a 15% discount.
              • Mac1 …

                16 May 2023 at 10:22 am

                Sorry, ianmac, but an accountant I am not. I joked at a recent meeting that I had held many positions within that organisation but never treasurer- with good reason.
    • Anne 13.2

      15 May 2023 at 6:48 pm

      So, he plans to send out a cyclostyled receipt to every man, woman and child telling them what his government is spending taxpayers money on, when its available online, from the media and in parliament ad infinitum… and us taxpayers will be fundng the million odd dollars it will cost to send it.

      Sheesh!
14. Ngungukai 14

    16 May 2023 at 6:33 am

    The hungry can always boil up the receipt with some grass clipping and have it as soup perhaps.
    • Mac1 14.1

      16 May 2023 at 10:33 am

      During the Irish Famine, that was a reality.

      "Private charities, such as Quaker soup kitchens, were overwhelmed; and bands of walking skeletons began to roam the countryside. People died in ditches, green foam issuing from their mouths because they had tried in their last moments to eat grass."

      https://www.irishamerica.com/2021/10/why-famine-came-to-ireland/

      I offered an Irish piper mussels for a meal. He spurned it, calling it 'famine food'. Memories last for generations……
15. Tricledrown 15

    16 May 2023 at 9:33 am

    Luxon's pants look like a clowns so befitting

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