Maori & Pacific Island incomes plummet

Written By: - Date published: 6:58 am, November 18th, 2010 - 89 comments
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Here’s a little something that Kris Fa’afoi and his team might like to being to the attention of Mana voters as they prepare to go to the polls. On National’s watch, the median Maori income has fallen 11.5%. For Pacific Islanders the fall’s 19%. Pakeha are down 2.6%. No tax cut for the rich can cover the gaping holes in those family budgets.

Here’s the table, the data is from Stats NZ table builder adjusted for inflation with the CPI data

Speaking of Mana, look at the picture of Hekia Parata hanging out with her supporters, the Taeaomanino Trust, which is at the centre of corruption investigations. Parata tried to quickly remove this pic from her website yesterday. Not quick enough, Hekia.

Update: Corrected link to Stats NZ data, thanks for pointing that out Matty and Blighty.

Update: And Labour pick up the issue! — r0b

89 comments on “Maori & Pacific Island incomes plummet”

  1. Bored 1

    This whilst the Maori Party cozies up with NACT and votes for lowered working conditions for all workers, whilst the Treaty Settlements bypass Rangi of no hapu or iwi. Peter and Turiana, hang your heads in shame.

  2. d4j. your off-topic comment has been moved to open mike. and i’m not too happy about the borderline racism of it but, by your standards, I guess it’s a good day.

  3. Fisiani 3

    You have gone to a lot of work to produce such wacky and wonky race based figures by neglecting to show that everyone in work has also had a tax cut and that beneficiaries and pensioners were compensated for the rise in GST by rises to their entitlements. Labour brought in GST. Labour raised it to 12.5%. Labour never compensated the poor for this rise. National truly cares about the the sick, the lame and the infirm. National are the party of social justice and fairness.

    • Bunji 3.1

      Wow, must be amazing living in your head.

      Look at how the GINI coefficient has risen in the 90s and with this government, and tell me how that relates to “social justice and fairness”.

    • Marty G 3.2

      not a lot of work, I went to a table on the stats website and did some elementary maths to adjust for inflation

      my figures are correct, you’re welcome to dispute any of the detail if you think they’re wrong but you haven’t because you don’t have a clue.

      yes they are “race-based” that’s the point.

      The tax cuts and the GST hike don’t apply to these figures because they’re for June years. ie. they end in June 2010. Moron.

      • Matty 3.2.1

        Hi Marty,

        I just went through the figures. I didn’t adjust for inflation (but this will affect each of the groups in the same way, and allows me to make a point more easily).

        The nominal change in European median income over the time period is 2.7%, for Maori is 4.3%, and for Pacifika is 8.9%. (The total effect of inflation over the period is about 3.1%). This is completely the opposite effect than you suggest.

        Can you explain this? (Please forgive any economics-ignorance I am displying)

        • Blighty 3.2.1.1

          I can. Marty’s accidentally linked to the table for incomes for thsoe in paid employment, whereas the table he’s provided uses figures for all people’s incomes. Simple mistake.

          this is the actual table: http://wdmzpub01.stats.govt.nz/wds/TableViewer/tableView.aspx?ReportName=Incomes/Income%20by%20region%20and%20total%20response%20ethnic%20group(2008%20onwards)

          You might like to correct the link Marty 🙂

          Obviously, during a recession it’s the lowest paid who lose their jobs, so the median will rise and that will be especally true for the worst affected groups. That explains why the median for all people will be falling while the median for people who still have jobs will rise.

          [Fixed the link – thanks Matty & Blighty. — r0b]

          • Matty 3.2.1.1.1

            thanks for that — makes sense now

          • Carol 3.2.1.1.2

            Obviously, during a recession it’s the lowest paid who lose their jobs, so the median will rise and that will be especally true for the worst affected groups.

            That was kind of the answer given by the government minister in the House qu & a today. He claimed the drop in the Maori & Pacfic income was due to them being employed in the public sector, which actually, according to Blinglish and co, weren’t real jobs, so they had to go in the interests of rebalancing yaddayaddayadda *yawn*.

            Someone from Labour Horemia I think, made a point of order saying that for Maori the employment level hadn’t dropped, but incomes had. The PoO was disallowed, but it might be worth checking the rise/fall in employment for these demographic groups, and compare with the drop in income levels.

    • Bored 3.3

      Planet Earth calling Fisiani, Planet Earth calling Fisiani, Planet Earth calling Fisiani, no response…………….

    • Lanthanide 3.4

      I am pretty sure that actually Labour brought tax cuts in at the same time GST was introduced, and when it was raised.

    • Maynard J 3.5

      “National truly cares about … the lame”

      This would be justification for your undying love for them.

  4. Herodotus 4

    Marty, are you really looking after the left or Labour. The left and labour and not fully overlapping. Why should not Matt Mc also be interested in these figures. There are times that some could get confused as to this being the thinking mans version for Labour with the MP’s giving a lighter Lab version on Red Alert.
    Remember that when Lab has been in power (in my lifetime) they did not help the PAYE worker but the rich list. Lab has been shown to display Chameleon tendencies when in power.
    Matt may be the real deal regarding Left thinking and acting to the rhetoric. 😉

    • felix 4.1

      I reckon Matt is probably fully aware of the facts in the post because he has a genuine connection with the people in the stats.

      Kris (and Labour) on the other hand, could do with a bit more prodding.

  5. M 5

    ‘Not quick enough, Hekia.’

    Nice one Marty, bet it really rips her shorts.

    Saw that news item and you know that people in that situation are dedicated bargain hunters and rarely waste anything. It’s damning that fizzy drinks are cheaper than basics like milk and bread.

    Matt did get a going over though because he didn’t know the prices of bread and milk which was a shame. The item was definitely slanted towards looking at the trees and not the wood because Matt has grasped firmly the hot issues affecting the working poor and unemployed in Mana, that all stem from inadequate levels of income and has actually had the balls to speak out in their defense whatever the cost may be to him.

    The only thing some people will respect is figures and you’ve got them down cold in black and white. I was shocked when I read the median incomes for Asian and Pacific Island people.

    We need at least another 10 Matt McCartens to give some real voice and heft to people’s plight. It’s going to be a nail-biter on Saturday.

    • pollywog 5.1

      “Mana needs Kris Faafoi as its local MP,” Mr Goff said. “He understands the community, he’s alongside the community, he’s working for it.”

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4356725/Leaders-step-up-Mana-fight

      cough*bullshit*cough…Mana doesn’t ‘NEED’ Kris. Kris and Goff need Mana !!!

      how does Fa’afoi understand the community if he’s never lived there and his background is that of a trained MSM suckhole and labour party stooge ?

      how does that demonstrate his position of being alongside the community if hes never got down and dirty with the grass roots community ?

      and how is he working for it if he’s never lifted a damn finger to help it before getting annointed by the equally ineffectual Winnie Laban and is only working to get himself elected to then make a maiden speech in parliament as his significant contributon to working for it ?

      it’s a disgrace that Goff and Fa’afoi can still play this shit off in the media by treating Pasifikan voters in Mana as ignorant and gullible.

  6. big bruv 6

    And your answer is to give them more of my tax dollars?

    No thanks, perhaps these people should have worked a bit harder at school, perhaps they are the result of the Labour government handing them money in exchange for votes, whatever it is I simply do not care.

    I love my tax cut.

    [lprent: You’re still banned until the 24th. Moving your profile to spam capture. That will stop the moderators from kindly letting you through. ]

    • Bright Red 6.1

      The answer is jobs. The reason incomes have fallen is the jobs are gone. People wnat to work, they were working, and then the recession came and the jobs went and the government sat on its arse.

      It’s not a matter of “working a bit harder at school” – unless you’re claiming that all Maori and PIs are lazy and poorly educated.

      And even if you believe that it doesn’t explain why their incomes used to be higher.

      • insider 6.1.1

        Be interesting to see whether well paid Maori and Polynesians suffered higher falls in income than low paid and what the differentials were for Euros.

    • felix 6.2

      Yesterday r0b suggested we ignore big bruv’s trolling. I suggest we continue to.

    • pollywog 6.3

      you can work hard as in school, be more qualified and experienced than the next guy for a job, but if Uncle Cracka wants to give the job to his mate or his mates son or anyone who’s name isn’t asian, pasifikan, middle eastern, african or whatever then… tough titty eh bruv

      …these people you speak of should have been born white in a white mans world

      • Brett 6.3.1

        You expect a employer to hire you with that attitude?

      • insider 6.3.2

        One of the great virtues of multinationals/plcs in my experience is they tend not to care about that crap and go for competence. Locally owned businesses I suspect are far more susceptible to following their biases.

        • Colonial Viper 6.3.2.1

          Competence at playing internal political games perhaps, not so much at the front line level but especially once you enter the middle and middle/high levels of management.

          • insider 6.3.2.1.1

            Yes I should have said competence defined as what is important for their needs. Whether we underlings think they are generally competent is different thing 🙂

        • pollywog 6.3.2.2

          in interpereting the stats…

          it’s either local business/employers are biased or Pasifkans are dumb, lazy and ignorant

          in both cases the question needs to be asked why and how do we fix it ?

          somehow, i don’t think its a question Fa’afoi is gonna be asking

  7. Colonial Viper 7

    Good to see that Pansy Wong was doing her personal best to help out with Asian income levels. Which of you said that she was an ineffective Minister again?

    I’ll guarantee you one thing: dropping Pansy Wong as a Minister will simply place more downward pressure on Asian median income stats 🙄

    Everyone else sucked…apart from MELAA (who are they again? Looking at the chart I’d like to join them).

  8. deemac 8

    nailbiter? dream on – McCarten’s campaign is a total irrelevance in this two-horse race.
    Meanwhile, back in the real world, Turia is on Radio NZ this morning – people may care to email/text in some questions for K Ryan to ask her!

  9. The elephant in the room is why is it so and what can be done to address it ?

    How do you counter a eurocentric bias in the workplace that always seeks to exploit vulnerable Pasifikans, inclusive of Maori ?

    How does one overcome the predilection for eurocentric employers to hire and promote those sharing their same cultural background ?

    • insider 9.1

      I don’t see much diversity in that pic of Hekia above. Perhaps it’s partly to do with skills and more just good old human nature than anything sinister, because you can see very similar behaviours in the islands but the Pasifikans are the ones displaying the bias.

  10. randal 10

    and dont forget there has been a 20% price increase overall over the last two months under the disguise of a 2,1/2% gst increase.
    first ya see it then ya dont.

    • Lanthanide 10.1

      Um, I haven’t seen the things I pay for increase by 20% over the last two months.

      Don’t know what you’re buying.

      • Daveosaurus 10.1.1

        You obviously haven’t tried to post a letter in that time, then. The post office took the opportunity of the tax rise to increase most internal rates by 20%. Typical government department. Thanks a bunch, High Tax National.

  11. Shamy 11

    That table just shows that natural seletion works….

    • Bright Red 11.1

      Why because disadvantaged group’s incomes drop more during recessions?

      I think you’re just a racist.

      • Shamy 11.1.1

        Its common sense – if you have no skills and therefore by definition you lowly paid then when the job market / economy worsens you will feel the most pain (as you have less unique skills to offer)

        Its natural selection becauses the majority of those that are lowly paid are so because they havent worked hard enough to move up the chain – only themselves to blame for that. Though im sure you lot will blame everybody else

        • insider 11.1.1.1

          A bit simplistic and quite mean spirited. Many Polynesian immigrants won’t have had the educational/qualification opportunities that a middle class NZer like me had. You can work as hard as you like as a cleaner but it’s not going to take you very far financially.

          The genetic dice that dictate your parentage and intelligence also don’t care how hard you work, and they too play a big role in your future opportunities

          • Shamy 11.1.1.1.1

            If you are a cleaner that its your responsibility to educate yourself and move up

            Unless you a verifiable moron then your intelligence isnt going to hinder your ability to step up

            • Colonial Viper 11.1.1.1.1.1

              No mate dead wrong. Do not blame on the individual what is a societal problem.

              Not only have your NAT friends in Government pulled up the ladder on these people, they have cut adult education opportunities but there are not even good jobs for university graduates out there today in our hollowed out economy.

              And by the way our offices, rest homes, kitchens and hospitals needs cleaners and should pay them a decent wage to do that important work.

            • hateatea 11.1.1.1.1.2

              ‘If you are a cleaner that its your responsibility to educate yourself and move up’

              Firstly: not all cleaners lack education, secondly: not all cleaners are Pasifica, Māori, Asian or any other ‘foreigner’, lastly: someone needs to do the cleaning! Perhaps it is worth discussing whether or not everyone should receive a living wage?

              As a Māori as defined under NZ law, am I responsible for the economic downturn that has seen so many jobs disappear or be downsized? Was I personally responsible for the decision of my employer to discontinue my specialist position or was that and outcome of government policies affecting the education sector?

              I get more than a little tired of my ethnicity being blamed for my current need to depend on state assistance for my survival. There is my age, my gender not just my ethnic identity at work. I am moderately well educated, have been in the paid workforce for more than 40 years but find myself prematurely on the scrapheap. My costs have indeed gone up, far more than the microscopic increase in my benefit so I tighten my belt (literally) yet again and worry that I am probably going to be unable even the smallest of gifts to children and grandchildren.

              Is this what my ethnicity makes inevitable? Who speaks for me and those like me when the statistics are being used to beneficiary bash, ethnicity bash, victim bash?

              We are all the poorer when the most vulnerable in society are increasingly marginalised.

              captcha: votes (I am increasingly convinced that captcha has a sense of humour)

        • Colonial Viper 11.1.1.2

          the majority of those that are lowly paid are so because they havent worked hard enough to move up the chain – only themselves to blame for that.

          ***YAWN***, the old right wing meme of blaming individuals for things which are very much a societal/class issue. Why should people believe in your bullshit of “Sell enough Amway for us and we will let you move up our chain”?

          Yes people do need to take personal responsibility for moving ahead in their own lives. But when successive Governments have undermined our industrial and technological sectors the blame needs to go on to the highest paid and most powerful in our society not on to the individual.

          Blaming on to the person what is essentially a failure of society is classic right wing BS.

          We need to take responsibility collectively for the kind of opportunities and wage levels we want to see offered to people in our society. If people refuse to take up those opportunities and those jobs then they should be held responsible.

          Frankly, both our political and our business leaders have proven hopeless at creating high paying jobs – and the blame there needs to go not on the individual unemployed by right back at the National Government and their corporate cronies. All of whom prefer a weak labour market within which wages and conditions can be suppressed.

          • Shamy 11.1.1.2.1

            ***YAWN***, the old left wing meme of blaming everybody else for the failing of the individual.

            ….and the left wing solution! the famous concept of a collective that has achieved such great outcomes in every country that went down that path

            • Bright Red 11.1.1.2.1.1

              these aren’t individuals’ incomes – this is a 20% drop in the incomes of the PI ethnic group since National came to power.

              You can’t say it’s due to some moral failing of PIs – their incomes were higher before. Unless you think they suddenly got lazy in the last two years?

            • Colonial Viper 11.1.1.2.1.2

              Yeah, you mean roads, power grids, universities, healthcare for everyone, our entire electricity generation capacity, no beggars on the streets? Good things from collective effort eh?

              Get it into your head, people operate within the context of families, local communities and societies, they do not operate as isolated individuals.

              BTW this country has a massive shortage of good high paying jobs for our graduates, thats why they are all LEAVING.

              • Shamy

                “people operate within the context of families, local communities and societies, they do not operate as isolated individuals”

                I see the flaw in your thought process…people may operate in that context but they are not MOTIVATED in that context. You may work to enrich your family, but you dont work overtime to enrich your community or society. Just as i assume you dont work to make your friends richer (assuming you actually work – I am picking your work in the public sector in some form as your thought processes appear to lack any real world experience)

                If you want to argue that people are motivated within the context of the community / society, then you quickly get down to promoting communism which fails (as do most socialist concepts) due to a lack of understanding that humans are selfish ceatures that are motivated as individuals. You can bleat on about how wrong this this but it the reality of the human race

                PS: and your solution to keeping those who desire high paid jobs …. a rich prick tax. Hypocrites

                • Carol

                  Oh dear oh dear, Shamy. And what exactly counts as the real world in your view? Is someone who works with the sick, disabled etc in the health sector, or who helps ferry people to work on public transport, or who teaches children from a range of backgrounds, also engaging with their families and community not experiencing the real world? Meanwhile someone shut up in an office all day, shifting paperwork for a tobacco company, or some company that makes plastic nick nacks that no-one really needs, or who is stuck in front of a computer making money for financial speculators who contribute towards virtual economies that are bound to crash sooner or later… is experiencing the real world?

                  People can be motivated in their jobs to contribute to the community… to make sick people better, so that they can work in public and private sector jobs, to educate people to participate in the wider world etc.

                  And if society wasn’t competitive, hadn’t constructed agreed systems of monetary exchange and social status, property values etc…. where would the motivation to enrich your family come from?

                  • Shamy

                    Yet:

                    (1) society *is* competitive…any policy that goes against this ingrained characteristic of the human race will fail (ie comunisim)

                    (2) while some people may be motivated purely by helping others, they in the minority.

                    As soon as the left realise the above they can start developing policy that will work in the real world, not the make believe fantasy land of group hugs their current policies are premised on

                    • Colonial Viper

                      The mantra of individualistic competitiveness is a Right wing mantra. It is not an ingrained characteristic of the human race IE you are wrong as usual.

                  • Jeremy Harris

                    @Carol I think money comes from a desire to quantify excess production… I.e. the subsistence farmer wanted to convert the excess grain into something tangible he could use at a later date and instead of trying to trade immeaditely with his immeadite neighbours for various long lasting goods, the farmer (before the grain went off) sold the excess to a regional grain salesman, a medium was needed…

                    People in NZ work more voluntary hours than paid hours Carol and that’s great but people’s first priority will always be for the provision of themselves and their families, in no small part even most voluntary work is individualistic, people do it because their children or realtions are involved or they derive a good feeling from doing it… It’s easy to look at people’s motivations from a first world view where there are few people whose basic needs aren’t met…

                    • Carol

                      Well, yes, Jeremy, there is always that philosophical question about whether doing something for others is ultimately selfish. But, that doesn’t negate the notion that we are primarily social animals. We operate with a mix of co-operation and competitiveness.

                      Sure, I have always been moivated to work in order to support myself, be independent, and have a little left over for leisure activities. But beyond earning a certain level of income, money and a luxurious lifestyle has not been a high motivator for me, the way it is for some others.

                      Hence I have looked for work that would support me, while also providing me with some intrinsic satisfaction. And that means I have mostly taught, because it seems to me to contribute something to society ….. you can call it selfish, but I couldn’t do it without engaging with others in a way that seems to be helpful to them.

                    • Jeremy Harris

                      @Carol, great stuff, the point is you were free to make that choice, many people who post here want to force other people to live in a way they deem in the interest of society and take their assets by force to give to the industries and people they deem most best and/or most needy…

                      Not only do I think that is immoral, I don’t think it works…

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Jeremy there is no such thing as free choice. Over and over again, psychologists have proven that what we think are free choices are in fact extremely contrived.

                      For instance if you tell people that they have a 2% chance of dying from a particular medical treatment, they will almost all opt for the treatment option which gives them a 98% chance of surviving. Even though they are *the same*.

                      Further, in our society, it can often appear that you have a tonne of choice – lets say when you walk into a large shopping mall – but in reality the majority of those choices are only available to the wealthy or the privileged or who are not working during the days. IE another illusion of free choice.

                    • Jeremy Harris

                      You really are descending down the rabbithole (if Alice was a commie), the overwhelming majority of the decision in our life exist in a free choice environment, relationships, friendships, what job we apply for, what business we start, what car we buy, what food we eat, how much exercise we do, whether we drink or smoke (for the time being), where we live, our religion (or lack thereof), etc…

                      I’d say 80%+ of our choices in life are madely freely, you are quite simply incorrect…

                • insider

                  Shamy

                  Half the immigrants from richer countries like the UK and returnees from OEs demonstrate the falseness of your statement that people are not motivated by family, community and society.

                  Many of us gave up selfish financial and career opportunities, motivated by other values such as family. And I know plenty of others who have given up similar opportunities because they believe the wider contribution they make is more important than the personal gain (though you could argue that is them being motivated by self fulfillment)

                  University exams being over is the only reason I can think of for such naivety being displayed.

                  • Shamy

                    Read what i wrote again – I especialy mentioned family as something that does motivate. glad you agree with me on that

                    Do you really want to run the argument that people return from overseas to enrich the community? A few might do that but would be in the minority

                    The only person i can think that has is John Key – turning down millions a year to become prime minister on a token (for him) salary to lead NZ to greatness

                    People move back (or to) to NZ primarily for
                    (1) family reasons
                    (2) lifestyle reasons

                    • Blighty

                      this has nothing to do with lack of motivation. Incomes have dropped because the jobs have disappeared. People were ovbviously taking the jobs and working before, otherwise their incomes wouldn’t have fallen – eh?

                      or do you think that Maori and Pacific Islanders suddenly became unmotivated and uneducated compared to two years ago?

                • Colonial Viper

                  I see the flaw in your thought process…people may operate in that context but they are not MOTIVATED in that context. You may work to enrich your family, but you dont work overtime to enrich your community or society.

                  Gawd you are full of shite, pretending to be some kind of motivational psychologist, when all you are really doing is projecting your own money focussed motivational headspace on to the rest of the world.

                  People don’t work overtime to enrich their communities or their society? Really? Even though we know that they will join their country’s armed forces and DIE for their communities and their society? Or, as NZ’ers did in WWI and WWI nobly fight and die to save the communities and societies of FOREIGNERS?

                  You have no idea of human motivation OR what brings about real change in the real world do you? Refuse 100% to have humanity reduced to a mishapen greedy paycheck hunting homo economicus by RWNJs. Time to kick this friggin lot out of power.

  12. joe bloggs 12

    .

    I wonder if Labour’s Letia Ah Hoi has any pearls of wisdom to offer about this?

    • David 12.1

      Litea’s perils of wisdom is: ” Put it in a bubble and blow it away.” That’s why she is the former Deputy Mayor. Stupid woman.

  13. ak 13

    Top notch Marty. The basic facts on NACT’s raison d’etre that need to be exposed and repeatedly emphasised.

    A brighter future for the rich: keep the brown down. Brace yourselves for the tipping point next year when NACT NEWS realises the MP is gone: it’ll make Winniebash look like a picnic.

  14. randal 14

    money doesnt smell.
    it seems to have no colour either.

    hiding behind ethnicity is just another excuse for grabbing anything you can get and who cares who gets in the way?
    I just gotta have that house in the south of france or a pied a terre in London and you suckers are gonna pay for it!

  15. nadis 15

    i’m not trying to be a dick but can you explain your figures?

    I followed your link and don’t see your numbers for either median earnings or cpi. For instance the european numbers are 759,767 and 780 for median weekly earnings?

    And the cpi deflator – shouldn’t you be using series SE9A which is the broad CPI?

    If you used June figures for that as your deflator your 3 year series would be 1077,1095,1111 which would give you a 2 year inflation deflator of 3.1%.

    The european numbers, deflated would then be

    759, 754.4, 756.1 for a 2 year drop of -0.4%

    The Maori numbers on the same methodology and data would be median earnings from 671 to 700, a deflated increase of 1.1%, ie better than the figures for Europeans?

    What gives?

    These are hurried back of envelope calcs using my phone as a calcualtor so I stand to be corrected but can u please explain your numbers given the links you gave? And your choice of inflation deflator?

  16. Bright Red 16

    They’re talking about your post in the House, Marty.

    the data from it, anyway.

  17. Mika 17

    It’s a good thing that we have someone like Hekia Parata in Mana to advocate real changes for Maori and Pacific!

    In all fairness, the National Party has inherited 9 years of Labours Social Engineering which has left Maori and Pacific more vulnerable and welfare dependent. I’m not a National supporter, but you cannot fool those of us PI’s who have lived in Porirua to see that nothing really changed in Mana, under Labour in 9 years. Still the same old crap statehousing issues – overcrowding, poor health, poor education standards = poor stats.

    All Winnie Laban did for our community was pass the Prostitution Bill, support civil unions and took credit for hard working people of Mana. What we needed was better education standards in Porirua, better housing standards and something to be proud of.

    We need someone like Hekia to pull us out of this!!

    Parata for Mana? HECK YEAH!!

    • Bright Red 17.1

      Mika – did Maori and PI incomes rise or fall under Labour? answers on the stats table builder.

      clue: they went up.

      oh, and benefit numbers pummeted under Labour.

      English’s excuse is that the jobs they had weren’t real jobs.

      And what’s Parata being doing for the people of Mana these past two years while incomes have crashed and unemployment has skyrocketed? – she is the National local MP, after all

  18. Jeremy Harris 18

    If this is a race thing why have Middle Eastern, Latin American and African wages gone up over 5% while Pakeha wages have dropped over 2%..?

    Does the National Party hate Pakehas but favour the Middle Eastern, Latin American and African people..?

    Surely a Ministry of Pakeha Affairs will solve this…

    • Bright Red 18.1

      it’s a low-income/poverty thing. Maori and Paciic Islanders are the most impoverished groups in our society and the ones feeling the sharpest edge of the recession.

      No-one’s saying National is targetting Maori and PI, they’re just neglecting the working class, which is heavily Polynesian.

    • felix 18.2

      Jesus fucking christ Jeremy, did you really need that explained?

    • Lanthanide 20.1

      I linked to Marty’s post about the ministerial housing rort on Red Alert yesterday (as Pete Hodgson was talking about it in an interview on Morning Report). Perhaps that piqued some interest?

  19. Junette Toko 21

    Lol…Im not into the slight racial slurs either, but we all know at the end of the day that if we paint our faces white we would get alot further. In any of the situations that come our way in our country. It’s about time things in this country became a little more balanced between Maori and Pakeha.

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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    8 hours ago
  • Behind Every Good Woman Should Stand – Another Good Woman.
    Alone, Alone, All, All, Alone: To argue that the Prime Minister is the victim of her advisers’ failure to keep her informed may offer Jacinda some measure of exoneration – but only at the cost of casting her as a hopeless political ingénue. A star-dusted muppet, whose only purpose is to ...
    12 hours ago
  • Poor quality, poorly educated kiddie ‘Journalists’ spreading fake news
    In times of hysteria about the “World coming to an end” and “rising sea levels” so-called ‘Journalists’ who can barely spell words longer than four letters are having a ball! Though the majority of the Public have worked out that manmade climate change is nothing short of pseudo-science, and the ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    12 hours ago
  • Chris Trotter on the BFD
    I don't want to give pblicity to certain parts of the internet that are better left to fester in their own irrelevance (I know, a bit like this place) but the listing of Chris Trotter as a 'author' on Cameron Slater's spinoff website, the BFD requires some explanation.Now, I don't ...
    22 hours ago
  • Sex is not a spectrum
    The text below is a Twitter thread by Heather Heying that explains the essence of sexual reproduction and it long evolutionary history. She is an evolutionary biologist and a “professor-in-exile” after she and her husband, Bret Weinstein, stood up to supporters of an enforced “Day of Absence” for white staff and teachers ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    23 hours ago
  • Climate Change: Trees, aviation, and offsets
    With crunch time for new Zealand climate policy approaching, most of the New Zealand media have got on board with a global reporting effort to cover the issue. There's one strand of stories today about polling and what it shows about changing public attitudes to the crisis, but the strand ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 day ago
  • Pissing-Off The Israelis Is A High-Risk Strategy.
    Dangerous Foes: For those readers of Bowalley Road who feel disposed to dismiss any prospect of an Israeli destabilisation of New Zealand politics, the example of the United Kingdom repays close attention. Ever since the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the British Labour Party, the Israelis have sanctioned, funded and ...
    1 day ago
  • Something to go to in Wellington
    Make It 16, the youth-led campaign to lower New Zealand's voting age, is holding an official campaign launch at Parliament this Friday from 16:30. If you'd like to attend, you can register using EventBrite here. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 day ago
  • A founding member responds to Peace Action Wellington
    by Don Franks It was a lovely sunny Wellington afternoon with blue skies above  the beaches.  In Courtenay Place, political activists packed out a stuffy upstairs room for an important meeting. The assembled pacifists, anarchists, communists and independent young radicals of Peace Action Wellington felt the need for a mission ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 day ago
  • “Mistakes and errors”
    Current and former NZDF top brass are being publicly grilled this week by the hit and run inquiry over their public responses to allegations of civilian casualties. Previously, they've claimed there were no casualties, a position which led them to lie to Ministers and to the public. Now, they're saying ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 day ago
  • “Homosexuality is same-sex attraction and relationships, not heterosexuals with delusions of gende...
    by Rafael D. Quiles (gender-critical gay man from Puerto Rico) The writing on the wall is right in people’s faces and people just don’t see it or don’t want to. What could actually possess a heterosexual male to want to feminize himself and claim that he is a lesbian? Because ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 days ago
  • Trump: “Where’s my favourite dictator?”
    From the Wall Street Journal:Inside a room of the ornately decorated Hotel du Palais during last month’s Group of Seven summit in Biarritz, France, President Trump awaited a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi. Mr. Trump looked over a gathering of American and Egyptian officials and called out in ...
    2 days ago
  • Magdalen Burns, 1983-2019, fighter for women’s liberation
    by the Redline blog collective At Redline we are very saddened to hear of the death of Magdalen Burns who passed away on the morning of Friday, September 13 (British time). Magdalen was a great fighter for the rights of women in general and lesbian women in particular, a defender ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    3 days ago
  • Parliament and the Executive
    The Brexit issue has certainly brought with it a series of apparently difficult constitutional issues, many of them concerning the respective roles of the executive and parliament. Most of them arise because of the unwillingness of MPs, despite their professions to the contrary, to be bound by a constitutional rarity ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    3 days ago
  • The Abigail Article; Martyn Bradbury’s Article, and My Response
    . . This blogpost is different to my usual format of reporting on issues… Since July 1011, I have blogged on a variety of political issues; near always political and/or environmental; mostly highly critical of the previous National Government. Other issues included Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and repression of ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    3 days ago
  • Police will have to wear silly Buckingham Palace hats from now on, says Police Minister
    Those close to the Police Minister believe the initiative may be the result of Nash “seeing a great deal” on AliExpress. In a move that comes seemingly out of nowhere, Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this afternoon that he expects all frontline staff to don bearskin hats, famously worn by ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    4 days ago
  • A sensible crackdown
    The government has released its Arms Legislation Bill, containing the second tranche of changes to gun laws following the March 15 massacre. And it all looks quite sensible: a national gun register, higher penalties for illegal possession and dealing, tighter restrictions on arms dealers and shooting clubs, and a shorter ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    4 days ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    5 days ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    5 days ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    5 days ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    6 days ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    6 days ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    6 days ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    6 days ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    7 days ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    7 days ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    1 week ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
    Hi there, just call me Tim.We face tough problems, and I’d like to help, because there are solutions.An Auckand District Health Board member has nominated me for as a candidate for the ADHB, because her MS-related pain and fatigue is reduced with hemp products from Rotorua.  Nothing else helped her. If I ...
    1 week ago
  • Good little vassals
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
    1 week ago
  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
    1 week ago
  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s failure
    When National was in government and fucking over the poor for the benefit of the rich, foodbanks were a growth industry. And now Labour is in charge, nothing has changed: A huge demand for emergency food parcels means the Auckland City Mission is struggling to prepare for the impending arrival ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Democracy – I Don’t Think So
    So, those who “know best” have again done their worst. While constantly claiming to be the guardians of democracy and the constitution, and respecters of the 2016 referendum result, diehard Remainers (who have never brought themselves to believe that their advice could have been rejected) have striven might and main ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Government says it will now build just one really nice home
    Following publication of this article, the Ministry has requested it to be noted that this supplied image is not necessarily representative of what the final house will look like, and it “probably won’t be that nice.” As part of today’s long-anticipated reset of the Government’s flagship KiwiBuild policy, Housing Minister ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Imperialism and your cup of coffee
    Over the next week or two we will be running three synopses of parts of the opening chapter of John Smith’s Imperialism in the 21st Century (New York, Monthly Review Press, 2016).  The synopsis and commentary below is written by Phil Duncan. Marx began Capital not with a sweeping historical ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Still juking the stats
    The State Services Commission and Ombudsman have released another batch of OIA statistics, covering the last six months. Request volumes are up, and the core public service is generally handling them within the legal timeframe, though this may be because they've learned to extend rather than just ignore things. And ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Hard News: Time for a New Deal: 25 years on
    In 1994, I was editing an ambitious street mag called Planet, from a fabled office at at 309 Karangahape Road. The thirteenth issue of the magazine was published in the winter of that year and its cover embodied a particularly ambitious goal: the end of cannabis prohibition.I wanted to do ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Not impressed
    KiwiBuild was one of the Ardern government's core policies. The government would end the housing crisis and make housing affordable again by building 100,000 new homes. Of course, it didn't work out like that: targets weren't met, the houses they did build were in the wrong place, and the whole ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Solar beats coal
    As the climate crisis escalates, it is now obvious that we need to radically decarbonise our economy. The good news is that its looking easy and profitable for the energy sector. Wind is already cheaper than fossil fuels, and now solar is too:The levellised cost of solar PV has fallen ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

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