Marama Fox vs Bill English – who will blink?

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Marama Fox and Bill English have painted themselves into a bit of a corner – Marama Fox threatening to walk away from the government if vulnerable children legislation doesn’t change

Maori Party co-leader Marama Fox is threatening to walk away from the Government over new legislation that doesn’t ensure Maori children are placed with whanau when the state removes them from their home.

Prime Minister Bill English isn’t budging on the wording in legislation to overhaul Child, Youth and Family (CYF), which would remove the priority to place a child with a member of their family or wider hapu if possible or someone with the same cultural background.

Fox said she’d “fight for this every day of the week”.

When asked how big the issue was, she said, it was personally more important to her than the Kermadecs, which the Maori Party have previously said would force the party to abandon their agreement with National if the sanctuary went ahead.

“I’d walk away from the government over Maori children long before the Kermadecs any day of the week,” Fox said.

Key would have handled this better. Fox is right on the issues. But now we have a confrontation, Marama Fox vs Bill English – who is going to blink first?

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  1. Andre 1
    16 February 2017 at 7:11 am

    The situation doesn’t actually require anybody to blink. The Nats plus the hair and the hologram still add up to a majority. The Maori Party and English may both think it’s in their electoral interest to be seen to be standing up to the other, to the point of walking away.

    • marty mars 1.1
      16 February 2017 at 7:39 am

      imo it is not an ‘electoral interest’ issue for The Māori Party as you’ve framed it – it is an issue of colonisation and culture. Plus the evidence is conclusive about taking people away, deliberately, from their culture for NO good reason – it leads to no good place.

      So I’m saying that imo the attempted distancing of The Māori Party from the gnats to get ready to win more votes by appearing neutralish to voters is a result of the stand not the reason for it.

      I agree that for english and his personal bigotry, plus the gnat supporters it is an issue of pandering to those who, well, just don’t like Māori really.

      • adam 1.1.1
        16 February 2017 at 10:26 am

        +1 marty mars

        • North 1.1.1.1
          16 February 2017 at 9:37 pm

          Plus many many many Marty ! I’d like to think that this is something really, really deep with Marama Fox. Transcending shit old politics.

          We know the failure of ‘putting’ kids where ‘we’ think is best. It’s arrogantly dismissive about rich dynamics ‘we’ have no heart for. Those styles are actually casual racist shit. Sadly very many ‘good’ folk will clap. Groundhog @ 1.1.2 below is an example of that.

      • Groundhog 1.1.2
        16 February 2017 at 1:01 pm

        I invite you to read the proposed legislation. No-one is advocating removing people from their culture. But the present law has resulted in children being placed at risk simply because of a misguided view that close family ties are more important than a child’s safety. The proposed law simply gives social agencies wider scope in placement decisions. We should be celebrating that.

        • marty mars 1.1.2.1
          16 February 2017 at 1:30 pm

          I understand this legislation better than you think I do.

          Search for hands off our tamariki if you wish to know why this is opposed

          • Groundhog 1.1.2.1.1
            16 February 2017 at 2:55 pm

            No-one is trying to ‘take’ your tamariki. The issue is that some tamariki end up in abusive families by fiat of the state because of a law that leaves no option.

            • marty mars 1.1.2.1.1.1
              16 February 2017 at 3:30 pm

              If you aren’t trying to keep children within their culture as a first desireable option then you are taking them as far as some members of that culture determine. All caregivers receive vetting and checking regardless of culture. Your line of argument doesn’t make sense.

              • pcg0nemad …
                16 February 2017 at 5:00 pm

                The proposed changes will continue to put children in culturally appropriate care but only where it is safe for the child to do so. The present law, as Groundhog points out, puts an emphasis on culturally appropriate care, even when it is not safe for the child. That is perverse and is a situation which contributes to our appalling child-abuse statistics.

                You have interesting priorities if you think culturally appropriate care should be more important than child safety. Good on National for having the guts to put children’s safety first.

                • Robert Guyton …
                  16 February 2017 at 5:11 pm

                  pcg – Does the existing law “put children in culturally appropriate care” where it’s known to be not safe for the child?
                  If so, the law needs to be changed. If not, why do you think it needs to be changed?

                  • Groundhog …
                    16 February 2017 at 8:16 pm

                    “Does the existing law “put children in culturally appropriate care” where it’s known to be not safe for the child?”
                    The existing law makes that a possibility, yes.

                    • Robert Guyton …
                      16 February 2017 at 8:21 pm

                      There’s always that possibility, Groundhog, as I’m sure you know. You are claiming that the proposed law will prevent that from happening. What makes you say that? How will the proposed law get around the inevitable “possibility” that a child may end up in an unsafe care situation?

                • marty mars …
                  16 February 2017 at 5:39 pm

                  Every caregiver gets assessed now so your argument falls there.

                  • Groundhog …
                    16 February 2017 at 8:19 pm

                    No it doesn’t. Children get abused in whanau care. Children are placed in danger because ‘best case whanau’ are given priority over ‘better case’ wider community care. The system is broken, the agency is broken, the law is broken.

                    • marty mars …
                      16 February 2017 at 8:33 pm

                      Nah you are up the wrong garden path and frankly all over the place argument wise. Maybe check out that search I recommended earlier so you can get up to speed with the REAL issues not the made up ones.

                    • Groundhog …
                      17 February 2017 at 12:22 pm

                      “Maybe check out that search I recommended earlier so you can get up to speed with the REAL issues not the made up ones.”

                      I did. You aren’t getting to grips with my point, so it will be hard for you to remain relevant.

                    • Matthew Whitehead …
                      17 February 2017 at 5:10 pm

                      Except you didn’t have a point. All the Māori Party (and other opposition parties that have gotten over their settler attitudes a bit) are asking on this issue is that the requirement stay in the legislation, not that it be given primacy over any of the other requirements. (that is a silly Nat strawman)

                      In fact, it’s totally appropriate that the legislation prioritise safety from any sort of abuse over access to wider family ties and/or same-culture care when the two are mutually exclusive, and it’s entirely possible that writing that into the legislation would be a legitimate compromise, or even the MP’s preferred course of action. But cultural matches and access to capable extended family should be something that they’re legally required to consider, as compliance with your relevant legislation is normally A Big Deal in government, this would help ensure that cultural alienation for Māori doesn’t get any worse than it already has.

                      I don’t think anyone disagrees that the system is broken and greater emphasis needs to be put on improving outcomes for kids. But as an outright majority of kids in this system are Māori, and isolation from their culture is shown to cause negative outcomes, it’s only natural that Māori as the key stakeholders in this legislation want steps to place kids with their relatives where possible enshrined in the law so that if necessary they can take the new agency to court if it doesn’t do its job right.

                      The disconnect is you’re talking about negative rights to safety, ie. being free of abuse. The MP want a positive right to well-being, ie. being free from abuse AND having positive care indicators like being able to provide connection with their wider family, culture, and community. All the recent research in this area points to a well-being and strengths-based approach to social services like those that Oranga Tamariki will be providing. Besides, if you fall short of well-being and just get safety, well ok, probably still an improvement in most cases, but if you fall short of safety and end up with abuse like is currently happening… well, then you’re essentially just spending government money to shuffle kids around for no actual improvement.

                      I’d be very curious to see any evidence that considering culture in matching kids to carers is actually causing any problems, as presumably Māori carers go through the same vetting as everyone else, and preventing this sort of thing is considered a minimum reasonable requirement of placement.

                      This is potentially a very serious policy issue, and if it’s simply left up to departmental discretion to do this sort of thing, Māori have no real recourse if it doesn’t happen.

                    • Groundhog …
                      20 February 2017 at 10:03 am

                      “…not that it be given primacy over any of the other requirements.”
                      You clearly don’t understand the way the system works. The system is heavily slanted towards a politically correct view of interpreting the law. Social workers are indoctrinated about the (debatable) effects of colonisation, instead of focusing on the needs of individual children and whanau. The current legislation is used against the best interests of some children, simply to pacify some of these warped views.

                      “I’d be very curious to see any evidence that considering culture in matching kids to carers is actually causing any problems, as presumably Māori carers go through the same vetting as everyone else,…”

                      The current legislation is at times interpreted in a way that means they are not.

                    • marty mars …
                      20 February 2017 at 10:07 am

                      None of what you said there is true groundhog – it is your distorted and warped personal intrepretation.

                    • Groundhog …
                      20 February 2017 at 10:34 am

                      “None of what you said there is true groundhog”

                      I wish that were the case, but sadly it is not.

                • Groundhog …
                  16 February 2017 at 8:15 pm

                  Indeed.

              • Groundhog …
                16 February 2017 at 8:15 pm

                Keeping children as part of their culture may be admirable, but not if it condemns them to further abuse. My line of argument makes absolute sense.

                • One Anonymous Bloke …
                  16 February 2017 at 8:35 pm

                  Marty’s right. NZ officially endorsed the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples in 2010.

                  I’ll leave you to deny the implications of that.

                  • Groundhog …
                    17 February 2017 at 12:23 pm

                    Do indigenous rights include being moved from one abusive family into another, simply because of skin colour?

                    • marty mars …
                      17 February 2017 at 12:44 pm

                      skin colour??? what has that to do with anything – oh that’s right – code for bigotry eh groundhog – you are dim and uninformed and pushing a bigoted agenda – are you another onelav4all numbnut?

                    • One Anonymous Bloke …
                      17 February 2017 at 12:49 pm

                      I’m picking he’s Munterinthemiddle with a new handle.

                    • Robert Guyton …
                      17 February 2017 at 12:55 pm

                      One Anonymous Bloke’s “munter radar” is finely calibrated and working a treat.

                    • Groundhog …
                      17 February 2017 at 1:14 pm

                      “skin colour??? what has that to do with anything ”

                      So you’re not following the conversation?

                    • marty mars …
                      17 February 2017 at 2:35 pm

                      guess what dimmy – skin colour is not an indicator of ethnicity except for racists

                    • Groundhog …
                      20 February 2017 at 10:04 am

                      “skin colour is not an indicator of ethnicity except for racists”

                      Read the comment I was responding to. And then educate yourself.

                    • marty mars …
                      20 February 2017 at 10:19 am

                      I have read it and it doesn’t make sense – are you a bigot ie do you base your ideas about people on their skin pigmentation? I hope not even though thats what you sound like and if you are jeepers it must be hell in summer with all those tans around.

                    • Groundhog …
                      20 February 2017 at 10:36 am

                      “do you base your ideas about people on their skin pigmentation?”

                      No, and if you took the discussion even remotely seriously you wouldn’t need to ask that question.

                    • marty mars …
                      20 February 2017 at 10:49 am

                      Well what does ‘simply because of skin colour’ mean? You said it didn’t you and since then you’ve bullshitted around trying to back off. Be brave at least we both know where you are coming from why not admit it – don’t be a weasel.

                    • Groundhog …
                      22 February 2017 at 3:53 pm

                      “Well what does ‘simply because of skin colour’ mean?”

                      Are you serious? Look, read the posts and get off your ignorant band wagon.

                • marty mars …
                  16 February 2017 at 8:56 pm

                  Are you saying ground that the checks are inadequate? Could be worth assessing that – is it your gut feel or do you have some facts.

                  • Groundhog …
                    17 February 2017 at 12:26 pm

                    “Children being returned from care placements back into the care of their biological parents in their dysfunctional homes in 2010 were 23 times more likely to be abused than children who remained with unrelated carers. Children being returned to family or whanau placements were 10 times more likely to be abused.”

                    http://www.nzcpr.com/report-lifts-covers-on-child-abuse/

                    • marty mars …
                      17 February 2017 at 12:39 pm

                      oh dear, muriel newman? she has zero cred because she has an agenda that is anti tangata whenua in so many ways

                      you also have zero cred groundhog and I do mean ZERO

                    • One Anonymous Bloke …
                      17 February 2017 at 12:43 pm

                      Muriel Newman citing Paula Rebstock 😆

                    • Groundhog …
                      17 February 2017 at 1:16 pm

                      “oh dear, muriel newman? ”

                      It’s not Muriel Newman. It is the the report of the Expert Panel on Modernising CYF. But I guess you won;t let the facts get in the way of a good dose of ignorance eh?

                    • greywarshark …
                      17 February 2017 at 2:06 pm

                      Marty mars and Groundhog
                      It is interesting when looking at a report with a critical eye and some knowledge of what is going on, the result can be a definite opinion that differs greatly from that of others.

                      The report cited by Muriel Newman gives a different picture than Groundhog gets and gives in this thread. The extract presents the problems clearly. The children have been with up to 8 foster parents who obvously have had insufficient help from early years to cope with a troubled child. As it says this has long term impacts.

                      The report identifies that the ‘average’ vulnerable child, who is between seven and eight years old, has had seven to eight different placements. For children who crave stability and love, such disruption in their lives has long term impacts.

                      Then Very few of the contracted services provided to vulnerable children and their families were being monitored or evaluated sufficiently to determine whether they work.
                      Obviously CYF had shown so little interest and support to either the caregivers or the child in most cases that they had no idea whether they were better than the original circumstances, and weren’t interested in anything more than appearing to give a damn.


                      The data shows that by age 21, of the children born in 1992 who were raised in state care:

                      • Almost 90 per cent were on a benefit
                      • More than 25 per cent were on a benefit with a child
                      • Almost 80 per cent did not have NCEA Level 2
                      • More than 30 per cent had a youth justice referral by the age
                      of 18
                      • Almost 20 per cent had had a custodial sentence
                      • Almost 40 per cent had a community sentence

                      The Panel found that CYF is suffering from deep and systemic failure. Very few of the contracted services provided to vulnerable children and their families were being monitored or evaluated sufficiently to determine whether they work. The agency itself was unable to demonstrate that it is making a sufficiently positive difference in the lives of the children and young people it serves.

                    • Groundhog …
                      17 February 2017 at 4:59 pm

                      “The report cited by Muriel Newman gives a different picture than Groundhog gets and gives in this thread.

                      No. The report cites the incidence of secondary abuse amongst children placed with whanau. Spin it how you like, it’s damning.

                      The rest of your post is just excusing the inexcusable.

        • michelle 1.1.2.2
          20 February 2017 at 10:40 am

          Groundhog to me you are showing you know very little about the significance of culture we only have to look to our Aussie mates to see the long term damage done to the aboriginals wake up matey your still living in the old racist colonial days

          • Groundhog 1.1.2.2.1
            22 February 2017 at 3:51 pm

            I have a considerable appreciation of the value of culture. But I do not deny reality. The data on Maori offending, and on the damage done to children by the current law, is incontrovertible.

        • michelle 1.1.2.3
          15 March 2017 at 3:14 pm

          Are we going to go backwards in this country and be like Australia and there lost generations of kids because if so we will pay for it dearly. Culture is important I studied all the NZ schools exams results including the NCEA results last year and saw the Maori total immersion schools right up the top with the private schools where the mostly very rich white kids go to . Also the Maori schools in the Bay of Plenty have big waiting lists. Wake up NZers culture is important and always will be.

  2. tc 2
    16 February 2017 at 7:12 am

    Fox is all about the show, she likes to garner attention with these tough positions and media mileage with the rhetoric.

    IMO this is a calculated move to display some care and principles from a party that’s had few and supported this govt in its destruction of NZ social fabric.

    I regard the national/act/Maori coalition as a political pantomime, a show for the voters with this another scene being acted out.

    • Keith 2.1
      16 February 2017 at 8:30 am

      Very true. A few months out from the election, and with the loss of Willie Jackson, these Quislings that are the Maori Party know its all over. Its the dance of death by the truly irrelevant and used.

  3. David C 3
    16 February 2017 at 7:58 am

    With Winston coming down solidly on the side of English it is very unlikely English will even acknowledge Fox’s racist anti child rant.

    • DoublePlusGood 3.1
      16 February 2017 at 10:32 am

      Challenge: explain how Fox is being racist and anti-child in a manner that doesn’t make your comment racist or anti-child.

      • pcg0nemad 3.1.1
        16 February 2017 at 5:02 pm

        I will have a go. Ms. Fox is putting cultural considerations and the feelings of agrieved Maori over the actual safety of children. National and NZ First are simply saying children safety is more important than cultural sensitivity. It’s good to see they have the courage to do so.

        • David C 3.1.1.1
          16 February 2017 at 7:19 pm

          pcg0nemad.
          Yip pretty close.
          Status quo is that Maori kill a massively disproportionate amount of their own kids, killed mainly by family .
          Ms Fox wants to continue that.

        • Robert Guyton 3.1.1.2
          16 February 2017 at 7:32 pm

          “National and NZ First are simply saying children safety is more important than cultural sensitivity.”

          To some people, “simply saying” is an excuse for not addressing the nuances of an issue. Polarising the issue, pushing other important factors aside to keep it “simple” is how people like pcg and David C operate. It’s a simple matter, they intone, but they are wrong, wrong in their approach, wrong in their world view and wrong in their conclusions.

  4. marty mars 4
    16 February 2017 at 8:08 am

    I have to say that there is a tonne of information around this issue (which hasn’t been linked to or even alluded to) and to frame it as a fight between the gnats and The Māori Party or between english and fox is disingenuous – it will not foster good debate – and is just lets everyone down imo.

    I find it disheartening and stupid – really just clickbait for anti-Māori or anti-Māori Party.

    • Natwatch 4.1
      16 February 2017 at 9:22 am

      Sorry marty. Certainly intended to frame it as a fight between government partners, which is politically significant. But not intended as an attack on Māori. Thought it was obvious that Fox was right on the issue but yes, the post should have said that. Made a minor update.

    • Leftie 4.2
      16 February 2017 at 9:29 am

      As mentioned before, being “anti Maori party,” because they have propped up what must be the worst National government in history over the last 9 years, does not equate to people being “anti Maori.” And given that the Maori Party is down to just 1 seat, it sure looks like that they do not have the support of most Maori either.

      • adam 4.2.1
        16 February 2017 at 10:57 am

        The problem is that most Pākehā in this country do reaction politics really well against Māori. They don’t even try to understand Māori politics, then are quick to judge and condemn without looking at the big picture. Or taking into account what Māori want to achieve.

        Māori know the dominate group are going to condemn them no matter what way they go, so they try to get what is best for them. Guess what, in a liberal democracy that means working with the Tory scum sometimes.

        What pisses me off the most, people here bang on about wanting a change of government, then put blinkers on to Māori aspirations or worse. They purpose that the only way forward is for Māori is to be within the labour party, the last government to steal a huge amount of land from them.

        If you want a change of government, then realize in MMP, that means working with Māori, not some version of a marxist-leninist nightmare of party purity, discipline and dictatorial self righteousness.

        • Leftie 4.2.1.1
          16 February 2017 at 11:58 am

          For a start, the Maori party does not represent all Maori and cannot be seen as being an independent voice for Maori either, after almost 9 years of propping up the National government.

          If you want to change the government, then why support a party that supports National?

          • adam 4.2.1.1.1
            16 February 2017 at 12:03 pm

            Not what I said, and you know it.

            I said the Māori politics, not the Māori Party. Just a little hint.

          • Robert Guyton 4.2.1.1.2
            16 February 2017 at 12:06 pm

            The Māori Party is finished, imo, because it is being perceived as the party for wealthy, elite Māori and there aren’t enough of them to vote the party back in in the numbers needed. Marama Fox’s view on this issue can be seen as one of Māori, rather than The Māori Party, in that she’s expressing a pan-Māori view about whanau, aroha, and other core beliefs. Not all Māori hold or practise those beliefs, but I would propose that most do, at some level.

  5. Ethica 5
    16 February 2017 at 8:08 am

    I don’t understand their opposition to the Kermadec sanctuary. The sea around there is being plundered by big corporate fishing and not benefitting many local Maori. A sanctuary would also help save the ocean ecosystem.

    • Leftie 5.1
      16 February 2017 at 9:20 am

      Agreed, Ethica.

    • Robert Guyton 5.2
      16 February 2017 at 9:37 am

      Their objection, quite rightly, is to being ignored when the decision was made by the National Government. Treaty partners expect to be treated as partners over issues they have in common. Simple really. You’d think.

      • Leftie 5.2.1
        16 February 2017 at 9:43 am

        “Treaty partners expect to be treated as partners over issues they have in common.”

        That’s true.

    • Barfly 5.3
      16 February 2017 at 9:59 am

      There is virtually no commercial fishing around the Kermadec’s at this point – they fill their quotas in areas closer to port lowering fuel and labour costs. The Maori Party insisted on backing Sealord’s desire to be able to fish if it was commercially desirable in the future.

      • Ethica 5.3.1
        17 February 2017 at 8:51 am

        Have you seen Michael Field’s charts of corporate fishing in the Pacific compiled from satellite tracking? It is complete plundering and is happening everywhere including near the Kermadecs.

    • KJT 5.4
      16 February 2017 at 10:08 am

      If Māori had been consulted initially, the end result, may well have been a sanctuary.
      It is a matter of respecting and consulting Tangata Whenua. Acknowledgement, if you like.
      Just like treaty settlements are an acknowledgement and apology. Not reparations, which would be impossibly huge.

      Our Governments have no respect for the wishes of most Māori, most Pakeha. And any others affected. Asset sales and sneaking in prospecting in forest parks, for example, Consulting with Māori i does seem like special treatment, in the absence of any reasonable consultation with anyone but wealthy business.

      The answer is more Democracy, and less Government by Dictatorial fiat.

      The strange thing is the Māori moneyocracy party suddenly developing a spine, after supporting National in so many things that disadvantage Māori

      • Robert Guyton 5.4.1
        16 February 2017 at 10:14 am

        That’s comprehensively and accurately put, KJT.

      • Draco T Bastard 5.4.2
        16 February 2017 at 10:18 am

        +1

      • Barfly 5.4.3
        16 February 2017 at 11:55 am

        My understanding is that there were multiple meetings over months with Sealord and that it was simply not interested, when the government went unilateral Sealord enlisted the Maori Party and now there is no , nor will there ever be, a Kermadec Sanctuary.

        • Robert Guyton 5.4.3.1
          16 February 2017 at 12:10 pm

          The “interference” by elite Māori agencies causes a lot of skewed practice, Barfly. The potential for wealth/power/gain/privilege harms everyone but more immediately, those who have little of those “advantages”.

          • Barfly 5.4.3.1.1
            16 February 2017 at 1:29 pm

            I agree to me it seems the Kermadec sanctuary was doomed not by Maori Treaty issues as much as it was doomed Maori Corporatocracy.

    • pcg0nemad 5.5
      16 February 2017 at 5:05 pm

      Their opposition to the Kermadec Sanctuary is based on money. Iwi fishing organisations are big business who have zero interest in the broader concerns of conservation (or even the concerns of other Maori organisations).

  6. Keith 6
    16 February 2017 at 8:12 am

    The new policy I believe is to place the child, of any race, culture etc with the most caring safe family that can be found. This is surely the correct thing to do.

    This is opposed to the current law which says with the vulnerable childs own family first. And many of those families, of all races, are the same failed dysfunctional – so called family units the abuser came from and who themselves suffered such deprevation and abuse that they ended the damage abusers they are.

    Fox’s faux pointless battle is a sideshow distraction and only logical if viewed in that light because after kissing Nationals arse and propping them up for the past 8 + years to get a ride in the company limo’s, times up for the turncoat irrelevant Maori Party, Marama! But go on, blink first Marama, you’ve got no cred anyway!

    • Leftie 6.1
      16 February 2017 at 9:18 am

      +1000 Keith.

    • weka 6.2
      16 February 2017 at 9:44 am

      The new policy I believe is to place the child, of any race, culture etc with the most caring safe family that can be found. This is surely the correct thing to do.

      This is opposed to the current law which says with the vulnerable childs own family first. And many of those families, of all races, are the same failed dysfunctional – so called family units the abuser came from and who themselves suffered such deprevation and abuse that they ended the damage abusers they are.

      Afaik, the existing legislation says that the child can only be placed with whānau/hapū if that whānau is safe. So you are wrong there. It’s a pretty big claim to say that because one part of a Māori family is unsafe the whole extended clan is. Or that the whole culture is. Why is it so hard to trust Māori to do right by their kids?


      “Just because we want to provide a safe and loving home doesn’t make it mutually exclusive to a Maori home,” Fox said.

      “We’re not talking about putting a child back into an unsafe home – that’s stupid – but just because it’s a Maori home doesn’t make it an unsafe home and that’s where we want to make it explicit in the law.”

      We know that taking Māori (and other indigenous) kids out of their cultural milieu can cause long term damage.

      • Keith 6.2.1
        16 February 2017 at 11:17 am

        “It’s a pretty big claim to say that because one part of a Māori family is unsafe the whole extended clan is. Or that the whole culture is. Why is it so hard to trust Māori to do right by their kids?”

        I just knew someone would twist my words in fake outrage, I could see it coming a mile off. I trust any person that has a proven track record of caring and not abusing. I do not care what their culture is.

        But like it or not, white people also abuse their kids as do ALL other cultures other than Maori! No one is missing off this disgraceful list and the law applies to ALL cultures, no matter what their colour. Fox should be talking for all kids, she is not.

        For starters as I know about this subject CYF are under a lot obligation both in law and subtly otherwise to place a abused or vulnerable child with that child’s family or greater family. You can best believe it Weka, they don’t have much time with their work loads and lack of resources to look too hard. So the first port of call is always family because that ticks the incredibly important family box that the law says they must. So grandma may have little history with them or any other agency but she was directly involved in the raising of the abuser. Or the Aunt who was raised in the same abusive background. They become the easy but high risk option.

        In my experience one off abusers are not the norm, it inflicts the greater family in general and placing a child in its own “culture” does not even come close to guaranteeing it’s safety or care.

        But CYF’s primary concern, especially short term, has been to place that child with its culture then worry about safety and hope for the best.

        The new legislation simply requires CYF, or whatever the agency it will become, to place that child with a safe caring family with no other obligations. Ideally with its own culture but that is not a primary concern, only safety and care.

        If you want to be outraged then be outraged by the fact CYF needs far more funding, a huge amount more and it needs to have the resources to place kids somewhere safe temporarily until that safe family search can be completed. It needs a better model that looks not only at care and protection but also far better training in investigation into abuse.

        Child welfare has been reviewed and quite rightly because of the appalling stats and repeat stats that go with this subject. But I will argue National have done so also with an eye on spending. It will need another serious review by a better government.

        A abused or vulnerable child cares not what its colour is, but it MUST have protection and it MUST be safe and once that occurs they must not be passed from pillar to post. That is all that matters.

  7. Pat 7
    16 February 2017 at 8:22 am

    Has anyone asked the children??

    • Leftie 7.1
      16 February 2017 at 9:19 am

      Probably not, Pat.

    • weka 7.2
      16 February 2017 at 9:33 am

      “Has anyone asked the children??”

      yes. It’s not like Māori just randomly decided that having Māori kids go first to safe whānau was best. It’s evidence based.

      • Pat 7.2.1
        16 February 2017 at 9:40 am

        so no doubt there will be a number of research papers detailing those interviews, their responses and the conclusions drawn….any links?

        • weka 7.2.1.1
          16 February 2017 at 9:45 am

          I think you are quite capable of doing your own research Pat.

          • Pat 7.2.1.1.1
            16 February 2017 at 9:53 am

            now how did i know that was going to be your reply?….a simple link will support your claim

            • weka 7.2.1.1.1.1
              16 February 2017 at 9:59 am

              My original comment is based on 30 years of observing Māori in the public sphere and trying to learn about their culture. I don’t have a single link in my brain for what I said, and I’m not going to do the research to look for back up to suit you when you can do that yourself.

              There’s been a fair amount written about this particular issue (the legislation). My suggestion is you start with listening to what Māori have to say about it.

              • Pat …
                16 February 2017 at 10:02 am

                so opinion…not evidence based.

                • weka …
                  16 February 2017 at 10:06 am

                  It’s possible for it to be both.

                  Do you really want to pick a fight with me over this?

                  And what PM says below.

                  • Pat …
                    16 February 2017 at 10:22 am

                    no need…your legendary hypocrisy has exposed itself again….what do you think it will be…2 weeks, 2020 or somewhere in-between?

                    [You don’t want to be here? Fine by me. Your pattern of debating like this (i.e an inability to wrangle the actual points and then derailing) has been an ongoing problem, and now you think it’s ok to gratuitously attack authors. Let’s say 2 months for the attack and I’ll make a note in the back end about the pattern of behaviour – weka]

                    • adam …
                      16 February 2017 at 10:42 am

                      Come on Pat, stop being a wad. Try the research from Massey University.

                      Mana magazine has done some pieces. Plus the biggie, as in the most pieces and relatively good accessibility are the ANZSW Journals.

                      Feel free to look them up. I think you find it quite informative. Not only for about here in NZ, but international work as well.

                      http://anzasw.nz/the-journal/

                      Seeing as you desperately need a link.

                • KJT …
                  16 February 2017 at 10:16 am

                  Keeping children with their own culture, as a first choice, is evidence based.
                  Removing them from the familiar, rarely has good results.

                  The evidence also shows that removing a child from their family, into CYFS foster care, is almost certainly the worst option.

                  If we followed the evidence, giving the child’s parents the education resources and support to be better parents is, in almost all cases, the best option. It is also the most expensive.

            • Psycho Milt 7.2.1.1.1.2
              16 February 2017 at 10:04 am

              now how did i know that was going to be your reply?….a simple link will support your claim

              Uh-uh. You asked a question and it was answered. You wanted to know whether anyone asked the children. Someone who’s aware that research has been carried out told you that the answer is yes, and research has been carried out. If you’re interested in evaluating some of that research, the onus is now on you to look it up and read it. No-one is obligated to hold your hand through the process.

      • Groundhog 7.2.2
        16 February 2017 at 1:03 pm

        …with the emphasis on ‘safe’. There are cases where the current law has led to children being placed with decidedly ‘unsafe’ whanau.

        • Robert Guyton 7.2.2.1
          16 February 2017 at 1:14 pm

          And decidedly unsafe nuclear families that are Pākehā.

          • Groundhog 7.2.2.1.1
            16 February 2017 at 2:53 pm

            I didn’t specify by race.

            • Robert Guyton 7.2.2.1.1.1
              16 February 2017 at 3:01 pm

              “whanau” is a race-neutral term? In any case, there’s evidence that families of different races living in NZ can be unsafe custody for at-risk children, rather than one specific (un-named) race.

              • Groundhog …
                16 February 2017 at 8:24 pm

                ““whanau” is a race-neutral term?”
                Indeed.

                ” there’s evidence that families of different races living in NZ can be unsafe custody for at-risk children”
                Indeed. This isn’t a race debate.

                • Robert Guyton …
                  16 February 2017 at 8:31 pm

                  Your implication that any vetted family s suitable for any needy child, is simplistic and wrong. There are factors that have to be taken into account – cultural and racial backgrounds being two of those. Do you believe race or culture should have no weight in the decision-making about where a particular child should be placed? If you do, I’d love to hear your reasons.

                  • Foreign waka …
                    16 February 2017 at 10:27 pm

                    Robert, for the Child – and I do soooo hope that this is the person we are talking about and having in mind all the way in this discussion – it is best to be taken out of an unsafe situation straight away. This may have the consequence that he/she has to be housed in care or with a caregiver that can be relied on as safe and sound for the time being until other avenues can be found. Every case is different, so lets say it is like an emergency provision.
                    I think we all owe this to those who are most vulnerable in society. Once we get over the pointing out of differences and see the similarity than there might just be a way to actually address the issue itself – by dealing with the abuser.

                    • Robert Guyton …
                      17 February 2017 at 10:20 am

                      Isn’t it those “other avenues” we are discussing here, Foreign Waka, the “resettlement” rather than the “emergency shelter”. If I’ve got that wrong, it’ll be because I’ve not read the issue closely enough, and will withdraw from the debate. And yes, the child is paramount, though the broader needs of all concerned have to be considered.

        • weka 7.2.2.2
          16 February 2017 at 1:15 pm

          Which is a failure of the system, imo, not the law. Let’s not forget that CYFS is chronically underfunded, and that the govt as we speak is refusing to investigate historic abuse of children while in state care. We are just really bad at looking after vulnerable kids in this country, and trying to treat Māori kids as Pākehā will just make that worse.

          • Groundhog 7.2.2.2.1
            16 February 2017 at 2:54 pm

            Possibly. But there is still something perverse about a law that enforces abuse, rather than provides wider options.

            • Robert Guyton 7.2.2.2.1.1
              16 February 2017 at 3:15 pm

              “enforces” abuse?
              Surely, “inadvertently facilitates some” abuse would be a more accurate description. We should, if we haven’t already, adopt the best possible system for all concerned.

            • weka 7.2.2.2.1.2
              16 February 2017 at 3:18 pm

              What law are you referring to?

              • Groundhog …
                16 February 2017 at 8:22 pm

                The current law that determines the priorities for decisions around placing children from abusive families.

                • One Anonymous Bloke …
                  17 February 2017 at 8:30 am

                  …is based on evidence.

                  • Groundhog …
                    17 February 2017 at 12:28 pm

                    No, it isn’t.

                    http://www.nzcpr.com/report-lifts-covers-on-child-abuse/
                    “Children being returned from care placements back into the care of their biological parents in their dysfunctional homes in 2010 were 23 times more likely to be abused than children who remained with unrelated carers. Children being returned to family or whanau placements were 10 times more likely to be abused.”

                    • One Anonymous Bloke …
                      17 February 2017 at 12:38 pm

                      When Rebstock can get her opinion published in a peer-reviewed journal, it’ll become evidence.

                      Even so, she cites systemic failures (eg: “The system is not effective in supporting families and whānau to care for their children”), whereas you fixate on ethnicity.

                      Racism like yours is one of the reasons for the stats you cite.

                    • Groundhog …
                      17 February 2017 at 1:17 pm

                      In case you missed it, this discussion is about the issue of the placement of Maori children. Ethnicity is therefore an issue.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke …
                      17 February 2017 at 4:05 pm

                      Greyrawshark is right. From my perspective, we have a massive Pākehā racist problem in New Zealand.

                    • Groundhog …
                      17 February 2017 at 5:03 pm

                      “From my perspective, we have a massive Pākehā racist problem in New Zealand.”

                      Statistically we have a massive problem of child abuse among Maori families. You can frame this how you like, but until you open your eyes and own that fact, there will be no solutions.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke …
                      18 February 2017 at 7:58 am

                      Correlation is not causation. You have expressed your racist opinion that ethnicity is the determining factor ad nauseam.

                      In my book, you, and people like you, are a significant cause of child abuse. Expressing your racist opinion again won’t change my mind.

                    • Groundhog …
                      20 February 2017 at 9:49 am

                      “You have expressed your racist opinion that ethnicity is the determining factor ad nauseam.”

                      Where did I say it was a ‘determining factor’? You are making a common mistake of the left…barking at cars. Citing incontrovertible facts is not racism.

  8. Robert Guyton 8
    16 February 2017 at 9:44 am

    I believe Fox is genuine and passionate in this instance and correct to boot. National’s position is seriously wrong. Fox will be true to here claim, I believe. It’s a fight that will cause English to fold, unless he feels he doesn’t need the Maori Party. In my opinion, he will lose all if he loses them or at least the appearance of his party’s relationship with Te Maori Party. If they divorce National, National’s done.

    • weka 8.1
      16 February 2017 at 10:05 am

      Early election?

      • DoublePlusGood 8.1.1
        16 February 2017 at 10:45 am

        No, he’s still got Rimmer and Toupee for support, so doesn’t need to call an election. He’s probably not aggressive enough to try to hurt the Māori party in a populist backlash, but still, he doesn’t need them until September.

    • Anne 8.2
      16 February 2017 at 10:11 am

      I’m with Marama Fox on this one. Thanks Robert for putting it succinctly.

    • KJT 8.3
      16 February 2017 at 10:37 am

      The Māori party suddenly developing a spine, just before the election is deeply fishy.

      There are many other things National has done which have been to the detriment of Māori. The Māori party have not said anything.
      Of course most of those things, have only affected Māori who are already disadvantaged.

      • Leftie 8.3.1
        16 February 2017 at 12:05 pm

        +1000 KJT

      • piper 8.3.2
        17 February 2017 at 2:59 pm

        Marama,must view English, as a soft touch, to manoeuvre as he struggles to grasp tight the rein!s of Key!s popular stallion.Oh how wrong,English,serious old school National,and history soiled in the farm fence of true blue National,and a working life of Parliament.

    • Enough is Enough 8.4
      16 February 2017 at 1:51 pm

      For the Nats to get a fourth term they need Winston.

      Winston will not allow the Maori Party anywhere near a government he is in.

      Therefore Bill knows Maori support post the election is not needed. He will either be in opposition, or in government with Winston.

      He can tell Marama to fuck off on that basis, and win some red neck support in doing so.

      • Robert Guyton 8.4.1
        16 February 2017 at 1:54 pm

        Bill may not need The Māori Party, but he does need Māori votes and credibility in the Māori world. He’ll lose all that if he pushes ahead against the issue Fox is championing. Watch him fold.

        • Enough is Enough 8.4.1.1
          16 February 2017 at 4:28 pm

          Since when has the National Party gone looking for the Maori vote? They are the party that doesn’t give a shit about Maori – remember Orewa.

          The only reason they have been slightly better under John Key is because they needed the Maori Party. Take them out of the equation and National will revert to the racist party they have always been.

          Bill will be more than happy to appeal to his core voters by telling Marama where to go.

          • Robert Guyton 8.4.1.1.1
            16 February 2017 at 5:03 pm

            Every vote counts, EiE. If English was to do something that meant no Māori person would vote for his party, he’d sink his party deep. Insulting them at the visceral/emotional level where whanaungatanga sits would be just such an action. English’s “core” voters are too few to get him back in Government. He knows he has to maximise the National Party vote and minimise that of the Left parties so driving Māori to vote against him by insulting them at an emotional level is something he won’t do. Watch him fold.

            • Enough is Enough 8.4.1.1.1.1
              16 February 2017 at 5:14 pm

              You give National far too much credit.

              Insulting Maori has never worried them in the past (except in the past 8 year when they needed Maori Party support)

              Do you think English standing his ground here is more insulting than previous National policies relating to Maori?

              Orewa is the perfect example of National’s stance towards Maori. National rose from nowhere to sit at 40% electoral support on the back of Brash’s Orewa speech. They haven’t dipped below that since that racist rant.

              You said “English’s “core” voters are too few to get him back in Government”. Bill knows that. It will be NZ First though, who again goes out of its way to offend Maori.

      • piper 8.4.2
        17 February 2017 at 3:24 pm

        Winston,is in the box seat,he can deride,the Greens,and the Maori,and the Nats,for like him the Nats being protagonist will will forgive him.History.

  9. Siobhan 9
    16 February 2017 at 11:15 am

    My husband and I, both Pakeha, ended up fostering a young Maori youth we met when teaching screen printing to a group of vulnerable kids.. It wasn’t planned, we had 3 small children of our own. But he just fit in with us and the crew.
    He adopted us. (well, fostered us)
    Special permission was required given the fact we were Pakeha and had small children. BUT the thing was, this kid had been in care since birth, moved around from pillar to post for 14 years. 14 years..what sort of ‘care’ is that??
    I totally understand the desire to place Maori with Maori, but there should always be a door left open to consider that sometimes the best place for a kid can be found in the most unlikely families.

    • Robert Guyton 9.1
      16 February 2017 at 12:14 pm

      Wonderful, Siobhan – “a door left open”, certainly, but there has to be a hierarchy of options, a prioritised process for decision making and the one Fox is supporting is more appropriate than English’s, imo.

    • mauī 9.2
      16 February 2017 at 12:20 pm

      Interested to know how the kid turned out in the end after the rough start?

      • Siobhan 9.2.1
        16 February 2017 at 12:40 pm

        Not so well. When he turned 16 (?) he was ‘dumped’ by CYPS. There was no plan for further education, nowhere to live, nothing. We had some rather ugly meetings with the team at CYPS demanding that they arrange continuing support for housing and education, even if he was no longer living with us.
        They had 14 years to plan for his entering the ‘adult’ world.
        We could no longer keep him on the straight and narrow and we parted company.
        I tried to keep tabs on him, but had no legal rights so there was not much I could do.
        He would visit us occasionally, and seemed happy enough, certainly he managed to stay out of jail. But within a few years had his own kid….and so it goes on…

        We went on to foster a few other kids, but in the end could no longer deal with CYPS as an organisation.

        • weka 9.2.1.1
          16 February 2017 at 1:06 pm

          I think that’s the argument for using the Māori-values system not the Pākēha one. Māori have seen that failure too many times. If that boy had an extended groups of adults to rely on and who would help him, then maybe it would be different. I’m not saying you shouldn’t have fostered him (sounds like you did good). I’m saying that there are very good reasons for Māori to not trust that system and to want their own system instead.

          • Barfly 9.2.1.1.1
            16 February 2017 at 1:32 pm

            The “system” is deeply flawed where is the concern for all the non Maori failed by the system?

            • weka 9.2.1.1.1.1
              16 February 2017 at 1:50 pm

              Did you see the call this week for the govt to investigate historical abuses of children in state care?

              Most of my adult life I’ve been seeing concern about what the system is doing to kids (via various incarnations of CYFS).

              I’m not sure what your question means given that that concern is there and obvious.

              • Barfly …
                16 February 2017 at 3:30 pm

                “Did you see the call this week for the govt to investigate historical abuses of children in state care? ”

                Yeah I did see that.

                The important word to me in that sentence is HISTORICAL. What about the current regime?

                • weka …
                  16 February 2017 at 3:34 pm

                  What about it? I certainly don’t think that we are doing that well in looking after kids now.

                  • Barfly …
                    16 February 2017 at 5:40 pm

                    Yes and the focus of the topic is that it should be that maori children should be only be fostered in maori families which you argue for > Does that meant that there should be no ethnic barriers crossed?

                    What do you do with mixed race children? Only mixed race families ? Does maori ancestry take priority over others?

                    I see an enormous can of worms.

                    Why would the government seek to change the status quo? Is it perhaps a shortage of suitable maori families to foster maori children? Is it blatant racism on the governments part? That would seem unlikely.

                    Perhaps as others have suggested the whole thing is something of a false flag exercise so that National and the Maori Party can better appeal to elements of the voting population that Curia has identified would be swayed by this “issue”.

                    • weka …
                      16 February 2017 at 5:53 pm

                      Yes and the focus of the topic is that it should be that maori children should be only be fostered in maori families which you argue for > Does that meant that there should be no ethnic barriers crossed?

                      No, it doesn’t. Seriously, it really doesn’t.

                      What do you do with mixed race children? Only mixed race families ? Does maori ancestry take priority over others?

                      Afaik if you whakapapa to iwi then you are Māori. This doesn’t preclude other ancestry. I don’t know what you mean by taking priority over. Do you mean that if a child was Indian and Māori that you are concerned that the Māori would be emphasised at the expense of the Indian? I’m going to guess that the policy would seek to place the child within the whānau/hapū system that best suited the child and that might be the Indian side of the family, but one would hope that connections with the Māori side would be supported to.

                      “I see an enormous can of worms.”

                      Such as?

                      Why would the government seek to change the status quo? Is it perhaps a shortage of suitable maori families to foster maori children? Is it blatant racism on the governments part? That would seem unlikely.

                      Given that the govt has done racism many times, I find it the most likely explanation. But institutional racism rather than blatant bigotry. If there was a shortage of Māori families, then the child would be placed in a non-Māori family. I don’t think the legislation says it’s compulsory.

                      Perhaps as others have suggested the whole thing is something of a false flag exercise so that National and the Maori Party can better appeal to elements of the voting population that Curia has identified would be swayed by this “issue”.

                      Except that other Māori have been commenting on this issue.

        • mauī 9.2.1.2
          16 February 2017 at 2:20 pm

          Sorry to hear that. Great you helped those kids though.

    • piper 9.3
      17 February 2017 at 3:58 pm

      Facts and figuers dont always tell the truth,yet prodominant in our papers and tv news,are Maori,when it comes to child abuse and mortality.As you say Siobhan,culture care is not grown from being but sharing,and culture if needed learned, can be shared by all of us.Sure its about our childrens saftey to nurtured in a safe place from harm,irrespective of our childrens culture.

    • piper 9.4
      17 February 2017 at 4:17 pm

      Facts and figuers dont always tell the truth,yet prodominant in our papers and news,are Maori,when it comes to child abuse and mortality.As you say Siobhan,culture care is not grown from being but sharing,and culture if needed learned, can be shared by all of us.Sure its about our childrens saftey to nurtured in a safe place from harm,irrespective of our childrens culture.

  10. The Pink Postman 10
    16 February 2017 at 3:50 pm

    I believe that the Maori party wishes to distance itself from the Tories. After the election if they are success ,then back to the Nat’s .However I have more faith in the intelligence of Maori to believe they have had enough of this Tory lot.

    • Leftie 10.1
      16 February 2017 at 8:46 pm

      It doesn’t appear that the Maori party have had enough of this tory lot.

      “Maori Party co-leader Marama Fox said her party had a fundamental difference of opinion with National over a bill dealing with children in state care. But she dismissed suggestions it could end the party’s relationship with National, which it supports on confidence and supply.”

      “But she said she could not speak for the party on walking away. The first option was to stay and fight.”

      <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11801395

  11. Michael 11
    16 February 2017 at 10:15 pm

    Fox is just grandstanding ahead of the election, trying to paint her outfit as distinct from the Nats. English is playing his part too. The Maori party have nowhere else to go and English knows it. So does Fox.

  12. smilin 12
    17 February 2017 at 2:12 pm

    There is no debate and nothing to handle politically
    Fox is right
    the govt is being divisive its the bottom line for Maori the way they view their child care and they are right and thats that
    English is being an obstruction

    • Leftie 12.1
      17 February 2017 at 11:21 pm

      But the Maori party are sitting at the table, why didn’t the National government consult with their co partner, when the legislation was being drafted?

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    I like to keep an eye on what’s happening in places like the UK, the US, and over the ditch with our good mates the Aussies. Let’s call them AUKUS, for want of a better collective term. More on that in a bit.It used to be, not long ago, that ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    23 hours ago

  • Study sees climate change baking in 19% lower global income by 2050
    TL;DR: The global economy will be one fifth smaller than it would have otherwise been in 2050 as a result of climate damage, according to a new study by the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK) and published in the journal Nature. (See more detail and analysis below, and ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    23 hours ago

  • Weekly Roundup 19-April-2024
    It’s Friday again. Here’s some of the things that caught our attention this week. This Week on Greater Auckland On Tuesday Matt covered at the government looking into a long tunnel for Wellington. On Wednesday we ran a post from Oscar Simms on some lessons from Texas. AT’s ...
    Greater AucklandBy Matt L
    1 day ago

  • Jack Vowles: Stop the panic – we’ve been here before
    New Zealand is said to be suffering from ‘serious populist discontent’. An IPSOS MORI survey has reported that we have an increasing preference for strong leaders, think that the economy is rigged toward the rich and powerful, and political elites are ignoring ‘hard-working people’.  The data is from February this ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    1 day ago

  • Clearing up confusion (or trying to)
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters is understood to be planning a major speech within the next fortnight to clear up the confusion over whether or not New Zealand might join the AUKUS submarine project. So far, there have been conflicting signals from the Government. RNZ reported the Prime Minister yesterday in ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    1 day ago

  • How to Retrieve Deleted Call Log iPhone Without Computer
    How to Retrieve Deleted Call Log on iPhone Without a Computer: A Step–by–Step Guide Losing your iPhone call history can be frustrating, especially when you need to find a specific number or recall an important conversation. But before you panic, know that there are ways to retrieve deleted call logs on your iPhone, even without a computer. This guide will explore various methods, ranging from simple checks to utilizing iCloud backups and third–party applications. So, let‘s dive in and recover those lost calls! 1. Check Recently Deleted Folder: Apple understands that accidental deletions happen. That‘s why they introduced the “Recently Deleted“ folder for various apps, including the Phone app. This folder acts as a safety net, storing deleted call logs for up to 30 days before permanently erasing them. Here‘s how to check it: Open the Phone app on your iPhone. Tap on the “Recents“ tab at the bottom. Scroll to the top and tap on “Edit“. Select “Show Recently Deleted“. Browse the list to find the call logs you want to recover. Tap on the desired call log and choose “Recover“ to restore it to your call history. 2. Restore from iCloud Backup: If you regularly back up your iPhone to iCloud, you might be able to retrieve your deleted call log from a previous backup. However, keep in mind that this process will restore your entire phone to the state it was in at the time of the backup, potentially erasing any data added since then. Here‘s how to restore from an iCloud backup: Go to Settings > General > Reset. Choose “Erase All Content and Settings“. Follow the on–screen instructions. Your iPhone will restart and show the initial setup screen. Choose “Restore from iCloud Backup“ during the setup process. Select the relevant backup that contains your deleted call log. Wait for the restoration process to complete. 3. Explore Third–Party Apps (with Caution): ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    1 day ago

  • How to Factory Reset iPhone without Computer: A Comprehensive Guide to Restoring your Device
    Life throws curveballs, and sometimes, those curveballs necessitate wiping your iPhone clean and starting anew. Whether you’re facing persistent software glitches, preparing to sell your device, or simply wanting a fresh start, knowing how to factory reset iPhone without a computer is a valuable skill. While using a computer with ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    1 day ago

  • How to Call Someone on a Computer: A Guide to Voice and Video Communication in the Digital Age
    Gone are the days when communication was limited to landline phones and physical proximity. Today, computers have become powerful tools for connecting with people across the globe through voice and video calls. But with a plethora of applications and methods available, how to call someone on a computer might seem ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    2 days ago

  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #16 2024
    Open access notables Glacial isostatic adjustment reduces past and future Arctic subsea permafrost, Creel et al., Nature Communications: Sea-level rise submerges terrestrial permafrost in the Arctic, turning it into subsea permafrost. Subsea permafrost underlies ~ 1.8 million km2 of Arctic continental shelf, with thicknesses in places exceeding 700 m. Sea-level variations over glacial-interglacial cycles control ...
    Skeptical Science
    2 days ago

  • Where on a Computer is the Operating System Generally Stored? Delving into the Digital Home of your ...
    The operating system (OS) is the heart and soul of a computer, orchestrating every action and interaction between hardware and software. But have you ever wondered where on a computer is the operating system generally stored? The answer lies in the intricate dance between hardware and software components, particularly within ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    2 days ago

  • How Many Watts Does a Laptop Use? Understanding Power Consumption and Efficiency
    Laptops have become essential tools for work, entertainment, and communication, offering portability and functionality. However, with rising energy costs and growing environmental concerns, understanding a laptop’s power consumption is more important than ever. So, how many watts does a laptop use? The answer, unfortunately, isn’t straightforward. It depends on several ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    2 days ago

  • How to Screen Record on a Dell Laptop A Guide to Capturing Your Screen with Ease
    Screen recording has become an essential tool for various purposes, such as creating tutorials, capturing gameplay footage, recording online meetings, or sharing information with others. Fortunately, Dell laptops offer several built-in and external options for screen recording, catering to different needs and preferences. This guide will explore various methods on ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    2 days ago

  • How Much Does it Cost to Fix a Laptop Screen? Navigating Repair Options and Costs
    A cracked or damaged laptop screen can be a frustrating experience, impacting productivity and enjoyment. Fortunately, laptop screen repair is a common service offered by various repair shops and technicians. However, the cost of fixing a laptop screen can vary significantly depending on several factors. This article delves into the ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    2 days ago

  • How Long Do Gaming Laptops Last? Demystifying Lifespan and Maximizing Longevity
    Gaming laptops represent a significant investment for passionate gamers, offering portability and powerful performance for immersive gaming experiences. However, a common concern among potential buyers is their lifespan. Unlike desktop PCs, which allow for easier component upgrades, gaming laptops have inherent limitations due to their compact and integrated design. This ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    2 days ago

  • Climate Change: Turning the tide
    The annual inventory report of New Zealand's greenhouse gas emissions has been released, showing that gross emissions have dropped for the third year in a row, to 78.4 million tons: All-told gross emissions have decreased by over 6 million tons since the Zero Carbon Act was passed in 2019. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago

  • How to Unlock Your Computer A Comprehensive Guide to Regaining Access
    Experiencing a locked computer can be frustrating, especially when you need access to your files and applications urgently. The methods to unlock your computer will vary depending on the specific situation and the type of lock you encounter. This guide will explore various scenarios and provide step-by-step instructions on how ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    2 days ago

  • Faxing from Your Computer A Modern Guide to Sending Documents Digitally
    While the world has largely transitioned to digital communication, faxing still holds relevance in certain industries and situations. Fortunately, gone are the days of bulky fax machines and dedicated phone lines. Today, you can easily send and receive faxes directly from your computer, offering a convenient and efficient way to ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    2 days ago

  • Protecting Your Home Computer A Guide to Cyber Awareness
    In our increasingly digital world, home computers have become essential tools for work, communication, entertainment, and more. However, this increased reliance on technology also exposes us to various cyber threats. Understanding these threats and taking proactive steps to protect your home computer is crucial for safeguarding your personal information, finances, ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    2 days ago

  • Server-Based Computing Powering the Modern Digital Landscape
    In the ever-evolving world of technology, server-based computing has emerged as a cornerstone of modern digital infrastructure. This article delves into the concept of server-based computing, exploring its various forms, benefits, challenges, and its impact on the way we work and interact with technology. Understanding Server-Based Computing: At its core, ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    2 days ago

  • Vroom vroom go the big red trucks
    The absolute brass neck of this guy.We want more medical doctors, not more spin doctors, Luxon was saying a couple of weeks ago, and now we’re told the guy has seven salaried adults on TikTok duty. Sorry, doing social media. The absolute brass neck of it. The irony that the ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    2 days ago

  • Jones finds $410,000 to help the government muscle in on a spat project
    Buzz from the Beehive Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones relishes spatting and eagerly takes issue with environmentalists who criticise his enthusiasm for resource development. He relishes helping the fishing industry too. And so today, while the media are making much of the latest culling in the public service to ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    2 days ago

  • Again, hate crimes are not necessarily terrorism.
    Having written, taught and worked for the US government on issues involving unconventional warfare and terrorism for 30-odd years, two things irritate me the most when the subject is discussed in public. The first is the Johnny-come-lately academics-turned-media commentators who … Continue reading → ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 days ago

  • Despair – construction consenting edition
    Eric Crampton writes – Kainga Ora is the government’s house building agency. It’s been building a lot of social housing. Kainga Ora has its own (but independent) consenting authority, Consentium. It’s a neat idea. Rather than have to deal with building consents across each different territorial authority, Kainga Ora ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    2 days ago

  • Coalition promises – will the Govt keep the commitment to keep Kiwis equal before the law?
    Muriel Newman writes – The Coalition Government says it is moving with speed to deliver campaign promises and reverse the damage done by Labour. One of their key commitments is to “defend the principle that New Zealanders are equal before the law.” To achieve this, they have pledged they “will not advance ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    2 days ago

  • An impermanent public service is a guarantee of very little else but failure
    Chris Trotter writes –  The absence of anything resembling a fightback from the public servants currently losing their jobs is interesting. State-sector workers’ collective fatalism in the face of Coalition cutbacks indicates a surprisingly broad acceptance of impermanence in the workplace. Fifty years ago, lay-offs in the thousands ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    2 days ago

  • What happens after the war – Mariupol
    Mariupol, on the Azov Sea coast, was one of the first cities to suffer almost complete destruction after the start of the Ukraine War started in late February 2022. We remember the scenes of absolute destruction of the houses and city structures. The deaths of innocent civilians – many of ...
    Open ParachuteBy Ken
    2 days ago

  • Babies and benefits – no good news
    Lindsay Mitchell writes – Ten years ago, I wrote the following in a Listener column: Every year around one in five new-born babies will be reliant on their caregivers benefit by Christmas. This pattern has persisted from at least 1993. For Maori the number jumps to over one in three.  ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    2 days ago

  • Should the RBNZ be looking through climate inflation?
    Climate change is expected to generate more and more extreme events, delivering a sort of structural shock to inflation that central banks will have to react to as if they were short-term cyclical issues. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāMy pick of the six newsey things to know from Aotearoa’s ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago

  • Bernard's pick 'n' mix of the news links
    The top six news links I’ve seen elsewhere in the last 24 hours, as of 9:16 am on Thursday, April 18 are:Housing: Tauranga residents living in boats, vans RNZ Checkpoint Louise TernouthHousing: Waikato councillor says wastewater plant issues could hold up Sleepyhead building a massive company town Waikato Times Stephen ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago

  • Gordon Campbell on the public sector carnage, and misogyny as terrorism
    It’s a simple deal. We pay taxes in order to finance the social services we want and need. The carnage now occurring across the public sector though, is breaking that contract. Over 3,000 jobs have been lost so far. Many are in crucial areas like Education where the impact of ...
    Gordon CampbellBy lyndon
    2 days ago

  • Meeting the Master Baiters
    Hi,A friend had their 40th over the weekend and decided to theme it after Curb Your Enthusiasm fashion icon Susie Greene. Captured in my tiny kitchen before I left the house, I ending up evoking a mix of old lesbian and Hillary Clinton — both unintentional.Me vs Hillary ClintonIf you’re ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    2 days ago

  • How extreme was the Earth's temperature in 2023
    This is a re-post from Andrew Dessler at the Climate Brink blog In 2023, the Earth reached temperature levels unprecedented in modern times. Given that, it’s reasonable to ask: What’s going on? There’s been lots of discussions by scientists about whether this is just the normal progression of global warming or if something ...
    Skeptical Science
    2 days ago

  • Backbone, revisited
    The schools are on holiday and the sun is shining in the seaside village and all day long I have been seeing bunches of bikes; Mums, Dads, teens and toddlers chattering, laughing, happy, having a bloody great time together. Cheers, AT, for the bits of lane you’ve added lately around the ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    3 days ago

  • Ministers are not above the law
    Today in our National-led authoritarian nightmare: Shane Jones thinks Ministers should be above the law: New Zealand First MP Shane Jones is accusing the Waitangi Tribunal of over-stepping its mandate by subpoenaing a minister for its urgent hearing on the Oranga Tamariki claim. The tribunal is looking into the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago

  • What’s the outfit you can hear going down the gurgler? Probably it’s David Parker’s Oceans Sec...
    Buzz from the Beehive Point  of Order first heard of the Oceans Secretariat in June 2021, when David Parker (remember him?) announced a multi-agency approach to protecting New Zealand’s marine ecosystems and fisheries. Parker (holding the Environment, and Oceans and Fisheries portfolios) broke the news at the annual Forest & ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    3 days ago

  • Will politicians let democracy die in the darkness?
    Bryce Edwards writes  – Politicians across the political spectrum are implicated in the New Zealand media’s failing health. Either through neglect or incompetent interventions, successive governments have failed to regulate, foster, and allow a healthy Fourth Estate that can adequately hold politicians and the powerful to account. ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago

  • Matt Doocey doubles down on trans “healthcare”
    Citizen Science writes –  Last week saw two significant developments in the debate over the treatment of trans-identifying children and young people – the release in Britain of the final report of Dr Hilary Cass’s review into gender healthcare, and here in New Zealand, the news that the ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago

  • A TikTok Prime Minister.
    One night while sleeping in my bed I had a beautiful dreamThat all the people of the world got together on the same wavelengthAnd began helping one anotherNow in this dream, universal love was the theme of the dayPeace and understanding and it happened this wayAfter such an eventful day ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago

  • Texas Lessons
    This is a guest post by Oscar Simms who is a housing activist, volunteer for the Coalition for More Homes, and was the Labour Party candidate for Auckland Central at the last election. ...
    Greater AucklandBy Guest Post
    3 days ago

  • Bernard's pick 'n' mix of the news links at 6:06 am
    The top six news links I’ve seen elsewhere in the last 24 hours as of 6:06 am on Wednesday, April 17 are:Must read: Secrecy shrouds which projects might be fast-tracked RNZ Farah HancockScoop: Revealed: Luxon has seven staffers working on social media content - partly paid for by taxpayer Newshub ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago

  • Fighting poverty on the holiday highway
    Turning what Labour called the “holiday highway” into a four-lane expressway from Auckland to Whangarei could bring at least an economic benefit of nearly two billion a year for Northland each year. And it could help bring an end to poverty in one of New Zealand’s most deprived regions. The ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    3 days ago

  • Bernard's six-stack of substacks at 6:26 pm
    Tonight’s six-stack includes: launching his substack with a bunch of his previous documentaries, including this 1992 interview with Dame Whina Cooper. and here crew give climate activists plenty to do, including this call to submit against the Fast Track Approvals bill. writes brilliantly here on his substack ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago

  • At a glance – Is the science settled?
    On February 14, 2023 we announced our Rebuttal Update Project. This included an ask for feedback about the added "At a glance" section in the updated basic rebuttal versions. This weekly blog post series highlights this new section of one of the updated basic rebuttal versions and serves as a ...
    Skeptical Science
    4 days ago

  • Apposite Quotations.
    How Long Is Long Enough? Gaza under Israeli bombardment, July 2014. This posting is exclusive to Bowalley Road. ...
    Bowalley Road
    4 days ago

  • What’s a life worth now?
    You're in the mall when you hear it: some kind of popping sound in the distance, kids with fireworks, maybe. But then a moment of eerie stillness is followed by more of the fireworks sound and there’s also screaming and shrieking and now here come people running for their lives.Does ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    4 days ago

  • Howling at the Moon
    Karl du Fresne writes –  There’s a crisis in the news media and the media are blaming it on everyone except themselves. Culpability is being deflected elsewhere – mainly to the hapless Minister of Communications, Melissa Lee, and the big social media platforms that are accused of hoovering ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago

  • Newshub is Dead.
    I don’t normally send out two newsletters in a day but I figured I’d say something about… the news. If two newsletters is a bit much then maybe just skip one, I don’t want to overload people. Alternatively if you’d be interested in sometimes receiving multiple, smaller updates from me, ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    4 days ago

  • Seymour is chuffed about cutting early-learning red tape – but we hear, too, that Jones has loose...
    Buzz from the Beehive David Seymour and Winston Peters today signalled that at least two ministers of the Crown might be in Wellington today. Seymour (as Associate Minister of Education) announced the removal of more red tape, this time to make it easier for new early learning services to be ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    4 days ago

  • Bryce Edwards: Will politicians let democracy die in the darkness?
    Politicians across the political spectrum are implicated in the New Zealand media’s failing health. Either through neglect or incompetent interventions, successive governments have failed to regulate, foster, and allow a healthy Fourth Estate that can adequately hold politicians and the powerful to account. Our political system is suffering from the ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    4 days ago

  • Was Hawkesby entirely wrong?
    David Farrar  writes –  The Broadcasting Standards Authority ruled: Comments by radio host Kate Hawkesby suggesting Māori and Pacific patients were being prioritised for surgery due to their ethnicity were misleading and discriminatory, the Broadcasting Standards Authority has found. It is a fact such patients are prioritised. ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago

  • PRC shadow looms as the Solomons head for election
    PRC and its proxies in Solomons have been preparing for these elections for a long time. A lot of money, effort and intelligence have gone into ensuring an outcome that won’t compromise Beijing’s plans. Cleo Paskall writes – On April 17th the Solomon Islands, a country of ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago

  • Climate Change: Criminal ecocide
    We are in the middle of a climate crisis. Last year was (again) the hottest year on record. NOAA has just announced another global coral bleaching event. Floods are threatening UK food security. So naturally, Shane Jones wants to make it easier to mine coal: Resources Minister Shane Jones ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago

  • Is saving one minute of a politician's time worth nearly $1 billion?
    Is speeding up the trip to and from Wellington airport by 12 minutes worth spending up more than $10 billion? Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The six news items that stood out to me in the last day to 8:26 am today are:The Lead: Transport Minister Simeon Brown announced ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago

  • Long Tunnel or Long Con?
    Yesterday it was revealed that Transport Minister had asked Waka Kotahi to look at the options for a long tunnel through Wellington. State Highway 1 (SH1) through Wellington City is heavily congested at peak times and while planning continues on the duplicate Mt Victoria Tunnel and Basin Reserve project, the ...
    Greater AucklandBy Matt L
    4 days ago

  • $41m to support clean energy in South East Asia
    New Zealand is demonstrating its commitment to reducing global greenhouse emissions, and supporting clean energy transition in South East Asia, through a contribution of NZ$41 million (US$25 million) in climate finance to the Asian Development Bank (ADB)-led Energy Transition Mechanism (ETM). Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Climate Change Minister Simon Watts announced ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    16 hours ago

  • Minister releases Fast-track stakeholder list
    The Government is today releasing a list of organisations who received letters about the Fast-track applications process, says RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop. “Recently Ministers and agencies have received a series of OIA requests for a list of organisations to whom I wrote with information on applying to have a ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    18 hours ago

  • Judicial appointments announced
    Attorney-General Judith Collins today announced the appointment of Wellington Barrister David Jonathan Boldt as a Judge of the High Court, and the Honourable Justice Matthew Palmer as a Judge of the Court of Appeal. Justice Boldt graduated with an LLB from Victoria University of Wellington in 1990, and also holds ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    19 hours ago

  • Education Minister heads to major teaching summit in Singapore
    Education Minister Erica Stanford will lead the New Zealand delegation at the 2024 International Summit on the Teaching Profession (ISTP) held in Singapore. The delegation includes representatives from the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) Te Wehengarua and the New Zealand Educational Institute (NZEI) Te Riu Roa.  The summit is co-hosted ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    20 hours ago

  • Value of stopbank project proven during cyclone
    A stopbank upgrade project in Tairawhiti partly funded by the Government has increased flood resilience for around 7000ha of residential and horticultural land so far, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones today attended a dawn service in Gisborne to mark the end of the first stage of the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    20 hours ago

  • Anzac commemorations, Türkiye relationship focus of visit
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters will represent the Government at Anzac Day commemorations on the Gallipoli Peninsula next week and engage with senior representatives of the Turkish government in Istanbul.    “The Gallipoli campaign is a defining event in our history. It will be a privilege to share the occasion ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    20 hours ago

  • Minister to Europe for OECD meeting, Anzac Day
    Science, Innovation and Technology and Defence Minister Judith Collins will next week attend the OECD Science and Technology Ministerial conference in Paris and Anzac Day commemorations in Belgium. “Science, innovation and technology have a major role to play in rebuilding our economy and achieving better health, environmental and social outcomes ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    23 hours ago

  • Comprehensive Partnership the goal for NZ and the Philippines
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with the President of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos Jr.  The Prime Minister was accompanied by MP Paulo Garcia, the first Filipino to be elected to a legislature outside the Philippines. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon and President Marcos Jr discussed opportunities to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Government commits $20m to Westport flood protection
    The Government has announced that $20 million in funding will be made available to Westport to fund much needed flood protection around the town. This measure will significantly improve the resilience of the community, says Local Government Minister Simeon Brown. “The Westport community has already been allocated almost $3 million ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Taupō takes pole position
    The Government is proud to support the first ever Repco Supercars Championship event in Taupō as up to 70,000 motorsport fans attend the Taupō International Motorsport Park this weekend, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. “Anticipation for the ITM Taupō Super400 is huge, with tickets and accommodation selling out weeks ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Cost of living support for low-income homeowners
    Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced an increase to the Rates Rebate Scheme, putting money back into the pockets of low-income homeowners.  “The coalition Government is committed to bringing down the cost of living for New Zealanders. That includes targeted support for those Kiwis who are doing things tough, such ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Government backing mussel spat project
    The Coalition Government is investing in a project to boost survival rates of New Zealand mussels and grow the industry, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones has announced. “This project seeks to increase the resilience of our mussels and significantly boost the sector’s productivity,” Mr Jones says. “The project - ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Government focused on getting people into work
    Benefit figures released today underscore the importance of the Government’s plan to rebuild the economy and have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker Support, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “Benefit numbers are still significantly higher than when National was last in government, when there was about 70,000 fewer ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Clean energy key driver to reducing emissions
    The Government’s commitment to doubling New Zealand’s renewable energy capacity is backed by new data showing that clean energy has helped the country reach its lowest annual gross emissions since 1999, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. New Zealand’s latest Greenhouse Gas Inventory (1990-2022) published today, shows gross emissions fell ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Earthquake-prone buildings review brought forward
    The Government is bringing the earthquake-prone building review forward, with work to start immediately, and extending the deadline for remediations by four years, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “Our Government is focused on rebuilding the economy. A key part of our plan is to cut red tape that ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Thailand and NZ to agree to Strategic Partnership
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his Thai counterpart, Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, have today agreed that New Zealand and the Kingdom of Thailand will upgrade the bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership by 2026. “New Zealand and Thailand have a lot to offer each other. We have a strong mutual desire to build ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • Government consults on extending coastal permits for ports
    RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop and Transport Minister Simeon Brown have today announced the Coalition Government’s intention to extend port coastal permits for a further 20 years, providing port operators with certainty to continue their operations. “The introduction of the Resource Management Act in 1991 required ports to obtain coastal ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • Inflation coming down, but more work to do
    Today’s announcement that inflation is down to 4 per cent is encouraging news for Kiwis, but there is more work to be done - underlining the importance of the Government’s plan to get the economy back on track, acting Finance Minister Chris Bishop says. “Inflation is now at 4 per ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • School attendance restored as a priority in health advice
    Refreshed health guidance released today will help parents and schools make informed decisions about whether their child needs to be in school, addressing one of the key issues affecting school attendance, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. In recent years, consistently across all school terms, short-term illness or medical reasons ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • Unnecessary bureaucracy cut in oceans sector
    Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is streamlining high-level oceans management while maintaining a focus on supporting the sector’s role in the export-led recovery of the economy. “I am working to realise the untapped potential of our fishing and aquaculture sector. To achieve that we need to be smarter with ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
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