Maybe we should take the plane

Written By: - Date published: 7:42 am, August 7th, 2019 - 119 comments
Categories: climate change, Environment, global warming, sustainability, tourism - Tags:

Activist Greta Thunberg is attending a United Nations global warming summit in New York, and will get there by boat not airplane.

We often hear about the hypocrisy of Green MPs and green activists burning jet fuel to have a meeting about lowering carbon emissions. So there’s a point.

But.

Maybe flying accounts for 5% of global carbon emissions, maybe 2%. It’s hardly a major.

There won’t be electric international passenger planes, or even decent sized hybrids, if the Boeing 787X experience is anything to go by. Billions and billions glug glug. New airframe models take at least a decade and sometimes don’t make it at all. With such a conservative industry, jet octane it is. Air travel is going to be one of the very last nuts to crack in decarbonising international travel and transport. So lie back and forget it.

It’s not clear that Thunberg’s decision to take the boat will lower emissions at all, much less global temperatures. Columns aplenty are arguing on it.

Sure it is symbolically powerful. But arguably the better message is one of smart priority, not picking a few visible public acts.

Or like AirNZ, she could buy a carbon offset and fly with her conscience clear as Arctic starlight.

Greta’s stand is just inappropriate for New Zealand. Only areas with strong international air links really prosper here. Areas without good international airports simply wither – so the Regional Growth Fund is recapitalizing many of them.

Cruise ships won’t ever replace the value, volume, and efficiency of international air travel in and out of New Zealand.

For the foreseeable future air travel is the carbon cost the world pays to enable the very large and otherwise very energy efficient tourism sector. Most of the $39.1billion NZ total tourism expenditure is only possible through air travel.

Without air travel this isolated pile of rocks would quickly become idea isolated, poor, and even more reliant on bulk low value exports.

Our real carbon targets of electricity, farming and land transport are clear.

Support New Zealand: keep flying, and encourage all your friends here too.

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  1. Stuart Munro. 1
    7 August 2019 at 8:08 am

    There's a lot of cultural cringe in "this isolated pile of rocks becoming idea isolated and poor", especially given that ideas travel rather well electronically. It's something that doesn't really bear examination, like most of the frankly silly policies that have become NZ's defaults since abandoning the public interest model for neoliberalism.

    Tourism, like most large sectors, externalize many of their costs to the point where the local people are subsidizing them at a cost to the environment and quality of life. Such overall impacts are rarely even considered.

    And why are we still dependent on low value exports? Other countries learn to develop beyond the commodity economy – is it an innate failing of our people, or of our governance that we consistently fail to do as much?

  2. Chris T 2
    7 August 2019 at 8:39 am

    If the 5% a year from the global airline industry is "hardly a major.", what does that make our entire countries 0.17%?

    • infused 2.1
      7 August 2019 at 12:13 pm

      Heh, good luck getting an answer to that. It's been my point for donkey years.

      • greywarshark 2.1.1
        7 August 2019 at 12:53 pm

        So infused are you saying you are a donkey?

      • Jenny - How to Get there? 2.1.2
        8 August 2019 at 6:34 am

        Chris T

        7 August 2019 at 8:39 am

        If the 5% a year from the global airline industry is “hardly a major.”, what does that make our entire countries 0.17%?

        infused

        7 August 2019 at 12:13 pm

        Heh, good luck getting an answer to that. It's been my point for donkey years.

        And it has been answered for years.

        When he was the country's top science advisor to the government, Professor (Sir) Peter Gluckman wrote on the government website, that because New Zealand's greenhouse gas emissions were less than 0.2% of the world's total of emissions. New Zealand;s greatest contribution to fighting climate change will be by setting an example.

    • Shadrach 2.2
      7 August 2019 at 8:00 pm

      Mmmmm.

  3. Robert Guyton 3
    7 August 2019 at 8:47 am

    I bet she has "considered flying" There's always a case for "return on investment" – Greta's presence anywhere could improve the future for all of us, therefore the emissions from here flight could be seen as worthwhile and an excellent investment. That has to be balanced against the potential for her declining to fly influencing large numbers of people to do the same and thereby reduce emissions overall. That's what she might be considering.

  4. Robert Guyton 4
    7 August 2019 at 8:49 am

    Stay home whenever possible, fly only when you have to (don't leave home till you've seen the country).

    • woodart 4.1
      7 August 2019 at 3:02 pm

      good point. in this age of multiple facetime conversations, surely we dont need as many trips to the other side of the planet for meetings. many of these trips are just an excuse for a trip to paris, london etc. convention centre in orkland, white elephant!

      • Robert Guyton 4.1.1
        7 August 2019 at 5:43 pm

        Being able to, and being payed to, are great temptations to travel. It's hard to resist, but we must try.

    • Jenny - How to Get there? 4.2
      7 August 2019 at 8:00 pm

      If you are a Green MP, set an example/

      Be like Greta Thunberg

      • Robert Guyton 4.2.1
        7 August 2019 at 8:01 pm

        Sail to Wellington?

        • Jenny - How to Get there? 4.2.1.1
          7 August 2019 at 8:39 pm

          Move to Wellington.

        • Jenny - How to Get there? 4.2.1.2
          7 August 2019 at 9:02 pm

          Hi Robert, I know that this move would represent a hardship for some. But if we are in a climate emergency, is a little self sacrifice that much to ask of our MPs?

          And how much of hardship would it really be?

          Aren't all MPs entitled to free accommodation if they move their households to Wellington?

          Compare this to the hardship of our increasingly casual labouring population who have to chase the jobs all over the country at their own expense, often dragging their kids from school to school as their job opportunities change. They get no subsidies or free accomodation to ease the burden.

          Are we in a climate emergency or not?

          Should our MPs especially our Green MPs be setting an example or not?

          • Robert Guyton 4.2.1.2.1
            7 August 2019 at 9:06 pm

            Your suggestion makes sense to me, Jenny. Some sacrifice now, from our representatives, will help us ordinary folk when the time comes for us to make some as well.

          • McFlock 4.2.1.2.2
            7 August 2019 at 10:03 pm

            I think there is value in having MPs genuinely based outside of Wellington (not in Double-Dipton fashion). It means that at least some of their time is spent with people who maybe experience some unimagined effects of policies they might be debating. For this reason I’m also in favour of list MPs having local offices near their real homes.

            But I also think maybe some of them should be able to take the train rather than a plane.

            • Jenny - How to Get there? 4.2.1.2.2.1
              8 August 2019 at 6:07 am

              Hi McFlock the train is a good idea. The bus too. Especially during election time. Winston Peters for example used a campaign bus to travel all over Northland in his successful by-election bid for that seat. As for the need for List MPS to have electoral offices out of Wellington, I can't see anything wrong with that. But how about this for an idea That they hold their electorate clinics in their office by video conference. Negating the need for them to fly up to their office for the weekend to conduct these clinics. Their local staffers and volunteers could set it all up. No air miles involved.

          • Jenny - How to Get there? 4.2.1.2.3
            8 August 2019 at 5:51 am

            Some sacrifice now, from our representatives, will help us ordinary folk…..

            Robert Guyton

            I agree

            But would MPs moving their households to Wellington, with their accommodation costs covered, really qualify as that much of a hardship, or sacrifice, compared to this?

            https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/80210599/schools-lose-half-their-students-as-poverty-forces-families-to-move

    • Patricia Bremner 4.3
      8 August 2019 at 4:38 am

      "See NZ first" (no pun intended)

      We did that Robert, and NZ is generous in that we may visit Australia to see our son and spend 5 to 6 months here, as the NZ pension is portable for this period.

      This allows us to dodge our winter and spends equal visitng time with our sons and our brothers. We have done this for 11 winters now.

      Sharing assets to help each other enjoy life more and helping by house sitting and pet minding and having house and pet sitters in our own home. We use public transport more in Australia now my hip has been replaced, so we are lowering our imprint.

      We noted a new idea here since our visit last year. Some businesses are putting up a display board of their green actions. Planting and tree %, electricity from renewable % rubbish recycling % and so on.

      As Advantage says "pay your carbon fee"

  5. Tiger Mountain 5
    7 August 2019 at 8:50 am

    It seems a petty attack line on Greens by various reactionaries, to demand that they swim to meetings thousands of miles away, or cycle to Parliament from the other end of the country.

    If climate change is not seriously addressed now, and that looks like taking all sorts of direct action to achieve, then air travel will not be an issue for much longer.

    In a melt down scenario there will be no mass air travel as we know it. But hey, enjoy all those new absolute beachfront property opportunities…

    • Bg 5.1
      7 August 2019 at 1:02 pm

      Our business meets online all the time due to geography. Why do they have to attend a meeting when with technology, the meeting can attend them?

      Reeks of hypocrisy, buts that's never stopped them in the past

      • McFlock 5.1.1
        7 August 2019 at 10:08 pm

        Mine does, too. But it is small meetings, and is more a stopgap measure as the major communication happens when people commute from other towns and meet face to face.

        And tele-participation at conferences has had very mixed results, in my experience.

    • Jenny - How to Get there? 5.2
      7 August 2019 at 8:50 pm

      ‘
      Be like Greta

      Grandma, what did you do about climate change when you were Prime Minister?

      Hello Darling, what a great question’

      Way back in 2019, when the Green Party, in response to the climate emergency, banned all internal flights for the their MPs on principle, and as a leading example of the way forward.

      As the then leader of the Labour Party and the country, to prevent our parliamentary ally, the Green Party, becoming isolated, or put at a disadvantage, compared to the climate change denying parties and MPs. I immediately responded, by supporting a Green Party Bill to extend this ban to all government and opposition MPs. (As part of this package, I also supported our other government ally New Zealand First to begin double tracking and electrifying the rail connection to Whangarei. This initiative oversaw an economic renaissance in Northland that rewarded NZ First Leader Winston Peters with the seat of Northland)

      This move away from air travel by our country's leaders was hailed globally as a leading example to the world, and marked the beginning of the world wide switch away from commercial aviation, towards surface travel that you see today.

      I also supported legislation to move the subsidy for free air travel, into supplying all MPs, both government and opposition, with the latest state-of-the-art video and IT suites, to put them more in touch with their constituents and each other.

      Happy birthday darling, I hope you like the mini-AI electric train set I bought you.

    • Jenny - How to Get there? 5.3
      8 August 2019 at 5:07 am

      Hi Tiger, Though you may subjectively see it that way, this is not a petty attack line. This is a serious suggestion on how the Greens could make a real difference.

      When he was the country's chief Science officer, Professor Gluckman wrote on the government website, that New Zealand's greatest contribution to solving the problem of climate change would be by setting an example. What goes for the country goes for its leaders.

      Greta Thunberg's role setting example in refusing to fly has had real world effects.

      Thunberg has led by example, traveling to events around Europe mainly by train. On Monday, she said she’s accepted a ride on a sailboat to attend the United Nations Climate Action Summit in New York.

      Some Swedish airports have now reported a decline in travelers, which some activists attribute to the “Greta effect,” a newfound awareness of humanity’s impacts on the planet and a desire to make a difference.

      The Swedes have even coined a word for the shame that travelers are beginning to feel about flying: flygskam, pronounced “fleeg-skahm.”

      https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/7/25/8881364/flying-shame-climate-change-airline-greta-thunberg

      Tiger, the airlines would love Greta Thunberg to break her example, they would pay her to do it.

      This is serious business. If the New Zealand Green Party MPs announced their refusal to fly, (at least internally) it would be seen as a serious threat to Air New Zealand.and all the jobs that company provides. Yes the Greens would be attacked mercilessly. But they would then have a platform to stand their ground and argue their case. Are we in a climate emergency or not?

      From a position of principle the Green Party MPs could call on all New Zealanders to follow their example.

      To set such an example will require courage, it will take resolve and determination in the face of vicious attack.

      …..unlike many other activities that contribute to climate change, air travel serves a valuable social function. It gives remote towns a lifeline to critical fuels, food, and medicines. It helps families stay connected across continents. It opens the door to life-changing experiences.

      So reducing air travel demands a difficult moral reckoning, even if we make the decision solely for ourselves…..

      https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/7/25/8881364/flying-shame-climate-change-airline-greta-thunberg

      Greta Thunberg has said if our leaders aren't seen to take climate change seriously how can they expect anyone else to?

    • Dukeofurl 6.1
      7 August 2019 at 9:27 am

      Ok , an oil company extracts the oil turns it into petrol , but its the car owner who makes it into CO2 in the atmosphere, not the oil company.

      A strange use of the word 'responsible', but its the Guardian after all. Notice they use the word 'industrial' to further make it smaller.

      Sure making cement is substantial greenhouse gas source, but whats the alternative to making cement used in making concrete. Riding a bike doesnt change that.

      • Robert Guyton 6.1.1
        7 August 2019 at 10:03 am

        "Ok , an oil company extracts the oil turns it into petrol , but its the car owner who makes it into CO2 in the atmosphere, not the oil company."

        Ok , does that work for meth? Is the producer free of responsibility and the user the only one liable?

        How so, Duke?

        • Dukeofurl 6.1.1.1
          7 August 2019 at 11:49 am

          Meth ? Its an addictive drug that illegal to manufacture . Its the same how?

          • Robert Guyton 6.1.1.1.1
            7 August 2019 at 12:38 pm

            The raw materials of methamphetamine are not illegal to produce in their country of origin (speculating a little here), therefore the producers are free from blame, according to your model for oil. The producers know the harm they initiate but do it anyway, as do the oil companies. Blaming the user of meth and the user of oil doesn't quite ring true in that light, does it. If the producers of either had higher ethical standards, neither would produce their product.

            That's the equivalence.

            • Dukeofurl 6.1.1.1.1.1
              7 August 2019 at 1:28 pm

              Theres all sorts of fallacies there

              But if we look at Number 1

              China (Coal)14.32% (likely to be 100s of companies) but used for Chinas Electricity generation, steel making, cement production etc.

              And downstream from that, electronics factories run using coal powered electricity.

              Giving up your computers and phones are you ?

              • Robert Guyton …
                7 August 2019 at 5:41 pm

                I have no phone and am looking to ditch this computer and not replace it. That said, your original claims are still wonky.

  7. Robert Guyton 7
    7 August 2019 at 8:53 am

    "Only areas with strong international air links really prosper here. Areas without good international airports simply wither"

    Only because we accept the modern definition of "prospering". With the benefit of a knowledge of history, a difficult future pressing upon us and the imperative to 'think fast or lose the game', we have to come up with a new definition, a new way to live that doesn't require enslavement to old models; free and easy air travel is one of the old ways that will have to go, imo.

    • Phil 7.1
      7 August 2019 at 10:30 am

      With the benefit of a knowledge of history…

      free and easy air travel is one of the old ways that will have to go

      Yeah, because limitations on the mobility of huge sections of population has a history of working out really well.

      • Robert Guyton 7.1.1
        7 August 2019 at 10:34 am

        Huge sections of the world's population are mobility-limited now. It's the rich who can fly. Google Earth allows poor people to "fly" the planet, if they so desire.

        • Formerly Ross 7.1.1.1
          7 August 2019 at 11:04 am

          It's also the rich who apparently are deeply concerned by climate change. In poor countries, they're concerned with getting adequate food and clean drinking water and not dying from diseases.

          • Robert Guyton 7.1.1.1.1
            7 August 2019 at 11:12 am

            We are in the privileged position of being aware of the situation through our communications nets and being well-fed enough to be able to concentrate on what we are hearing. Therefore, we have a responsibility to act on behalf of those who aren't able to apply themselves to the global issues.

          • Phil 7.1.1.1.2
            7 August 2019 at 12:59 pm

            In poor countries, they're concerned with getting adequate food and clean drinking water and not dying from diseases.

            Mitigating the effects of climate change would be a great way for us to help poorer nations with those problems.

        • Phil 7.1.1.2
          7 August 2019 at 12:53 pm

          Huge sections of the world's population are mobility-limited now.

          True, but international travel is more accessible and affordable to a greater percentage of the world population than it has ever been before. Except, perhaps, for the periods of 'travel' undertaken by soldiers in major global conflicts or during forced migration of slaves (but you can reasonably understand why I don't count that in the broader fact).

          Long may that positive trend continue.

          Google Earth allows poor people to "fly" the planet, if they so desire.

          If you think looking at a screen or tablet is an acceptable replacement for the awe inspiring majesty of standing in front of the Pyramids of Giza, or for the confronting brutality of your eyes being mere inches from Gericault's Raft of the Medusa, then I am genuinely sad for you.

          • greywarshark 7.1.1.2.1
            7 August 2019 at 12:58 pm

            And it follows the trend of pushing the mechanical technological choice of experience of life for you rather than you deciding what to do and learning from your immersion in actual humanity, not as a device operator with GPS.

            • Phil 7.1.1.2.1.1
              7 August 2019 at 1:01 pm

              Huh?

              • greywarshark …
                7 August 2019 at 1:17 pm

                Just think about it will you; huh?

                Reminds me of a joke on my frig: "A study in the Washington Post says women have better verbal skills than men. I just want to say to the authors of that study: Duh."

          • Robert Guyton 7.1.1.2.2
            7 August 2019 at 5:39 pm

            Sure, Phil, but can we afford to travel the way we have now become accustomed to do, wonderful and fulfilling as it may be?

            • Phil 7.1.1.2.2.1
              8 August 2019 at 4:40 pm

              My view is absolutely and entirely yes.

              I find it utterly baffling that anyone could argue in 2019 that we (individually, as a nation, or as a global population) should retreat from the physically interconnected world to which we currently belong and turn back to insular enclaves.

  8. Sanctuary 8
    7 August 2019 at 8:58 am

    Greta Thunberg has been identified as a serious threat by the likes of OPEC and their shrill, bullying media henchmen who have her (sometimes I think literally) in their crosshairs.

    If she flew to the USA then she would be subjected to a relentless campaign of character assassination and culture war attacks deliberately designed to divert the debate and distract from discussing climate change.

    Full power to her for understanding the need to not give her enemies a target.

    • Dukeofurl 8.1
      7 August 2019 at 9:29 am

      You do know that she is a 'branding exercise' by her parents?

      • marty mars 8.1.1
        7 August 2019 at 9:42 am

        prove it

      • greywarshark 8.1.2
        7 August 2019 at 10:07 am

        DukeofUrl

        Are you a branding exercise by your parents? And what brand are you pushing?

        • Dukeofurl 8.1.2.1
          7 August 2019 at 10:37 am

          Well she was 15 when she came to the notice of the media.

          The summit in New York will be her chance to show her abilities outside of being a 'social media brand'

          Her parents , a well known Opera singer and an actor, engaged a Swedish PR man Ingmar Rentzhog and he was the one who sent the photographer to get pictures and first publicised her school climate strike on social media.

          She has her chance to make a difference without the PR people after the 4 week yacht trip across the north Atlantic

          • marty mars 8.1.2.1.1
            7 August 2019 at 11:29 am

            yep so no evidence just your thunks.

            I find it interesting that with Greta and with Pania on the other thread you don't argue their points just try and sully their name and reputation, their commitment – thus with Greta it is that she is "a branding exercise" and with Pania she is an "outsider" – both smears are cruel in that they attack against the very point of their beliefs and their commitments – it shows you in a very poor light imo.

            • Dukeofurl 8.1.2.1.1.1
              7 August 2019 at 11:55 am

              15. Thats the proof you need , oh at the Pr guy.

              I said now she has the influencer profile lets see what her contribution is now.

              The iwi say repeatedly she doesnt have whakapapa to Kawerau a maki. They use the word outsider ,as they see her as a Ngapuhi.

              You dont seem to be maori , but that makes a huge difference in matters like this. Maybe it shouldnt , but thats not for me to tell them.

              • marty mars …
                7 August 2019 at 12:22 pm

                I'm very comfortable in my whakapapa and a nobody like you cannot shake that.

                So you try the same 'othering' trick with me – more evidence of your agenda.

                • Dukeofurl …
                  7 August 2019 at 1:14 pm

                  I dont agree with you in some areas, doesnt make it an agenda…very committee oriented are you ?

                  Go ahead and tell Maori that their ancestry doesnt matter and 'othering is a trick ' .

                  Newton appears to be a intelligent and capable person to me ,But Ill let the iwi leader speak in his own words

                  "On Thursday Te Kawerau ā Maki chairman Taua said most protesters "are not from our tribe and don't speak for us… We will not allow outsiders to rewrite history for their own purposes. They do not have the authority to speak for our people and sadly they are misguided in their assertions."

                  I assume you dont like his 'agenda' either when it doesnt align with yours – as an outsider

                  • marty mars …
                    7 August 2019 at 4:45 pm

                    Yes well as usual you are wrong. I'm on the Māori Electoral Roll, are you? I'm on because I whakapapa to my tūpuna. So your idiotic othering is a fail like all the other times you have done it. Nothing more patheitc than a know it all who knows fuck all – that's you dukey

                • Gabby …
                  7 August 2019 at 2:18 pm

                  Nobody's a nobody mardymardy.

      • Sanctuary 8.1.3
        7 August 2019 at 10:54 am

        QED

        • Dukeofurl 8.1.3.1
          7 August 2019 at 1:32 pm

          Swedish start-up used Greta Thunberg to bring in millions-Svenska Dagbladet

          Ingmar Rentzhog, an entrepreneur who claims he found and helped develop the Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg into a world phenomenon, also used her name to bring in almost SEK 10 million in venture capital for his company – without her knowledge, SvD has found.

          “We had no information about that”, says Svante Thunberg, the teenager’s father.

          https://www.svd.se/english-version-swedish-start-up-used-greta-thunberg-to-bring-in-millions

          Hopefully she can move on from being a 'startups big find'

      • Jenny - How to Get there? 8.1.4
        10 August 2019 at 9:09 am

        Dukeofurl

        7 August 2019 at 9:29 am

        You do know that she is a 'branding exercise' by her parents?

        From Scientific American:

        Climate Deniers Launch Personal Attacks on Teen Activist

        ….While the language of describing someone as a "puppet" or abused by adults may appear coded, it's clearly a dog whistle that signals her words should be discounted….

        https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-deniers-launch-personal-attacks-on-teen-activist/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily-digest&utm_content=link&utm_term=2019-08-09_top-stories&spMailingID=60112570&spUserID=MzA0NTQ4NDI1MzE5S0&spJobID=1701108349&spReportId=MTcwMTEwODM0OQS2

  9. ianmac 9
    7 August 2019 at 9:30 am

    The internet offers some pretty great technology for exchanges of ideas and the ability for distant participants to "be there." Especially if you are the participant who does not actively speak/present at a conference. Thinks of those who "participate" in the big sporting matches. High definition, 3D, high fidelity sound, big screen.

    Don't leave home until you have explored technology.

  10. francesca 10
    7 August 2019 at 9:34 am

    Air travel is becoming cheaper by the day and on the increase. For many, probably the majority, its just another form of consumer experience. Getting the thrill of the "otherness"of other cultures and climes.

    Although increasingly the world is becoming visually homogenous, with everyone dressed by China

    They say travel broadens the mind. Broad and shallow is also a thing

    Go deep

    I reckon there is a depth of experience in one's own back yard, and prefer the sci-fi world of insects, the botanical world with its incredibly diverse strategies for survival, all interspliced with history, geography, geology.

    All our consumer activities should be up for question, for our own well being as much as carbon calculations

    • Robert Guyton 10.1
      7 August 2019 at 9:59 am

      Heartily agree, Francesca. To add to your suggestions, I'd encourage the thought that "our backyard" could be made more interesting still, if we wanted it to be that way, by developing regional and local differences, flavours, sights, features, activities, to intensify the "colour" and make "otherness" easy to reach , without the need for air travel. We need to back ourselves, be unique and be the "other" sought by everyone else. smiley

      • Stuart Munro. 10.1.1
        7 August 2019 at 10:19 am

        NZ has potential as a varietal producer which mostly goes unrealized. We should be leading with things like the kahurangi or whitestone cheeses not generic milk powder. White warehou are a preferred sashimi species, but most locals have never tasted them, which leaves our companies incompetent to market them.

        There was a time when government understood this, even created a development finance corporation to foster such initiative. But then some neoliberal buffoon decided they were just an investment bank and sank them with his incompetence.

        • greywarshark 10.1.1.1
          7 August 2019 at 11:12 am

          SM +100

          The businesspeople and pollies for this country just promote easy pickings. Go with what you know – and be careful not to know too much or someone will call you an intellectual or unbankable dreamer.

      • Francesca 10.1.2
        7 August 2019 at 11:52 am

        Good ideas Robert

    • infused 10.2
      7 August 2019 at 12:17 pm

      sounds like you've never travelled.

      • Incognito 10.2.1
        7 August 2019 at 12:19 pm

        Sounds like you want to travel. Stop stirring.

      • Robert Guyton 10.2.2
        7 August 2019 at 12:30 pm

        Travelling's marvellous. It would be a shame to have to give it up merely to save humanity; what a painful sacrifice that would be!

        • infused 10.2.2.1
          7 August 2019 at 12:51 pm

          here's an idea. lets stop reproducing so much. address the actual fucking problem instead of these stupid ideas.

          • Andre 10.2.2.1.1
            7 August 2019 at 1:04 pm

            There's no fucking problem. The issue is what may result from that fucking.

            • infused 10.2.2.1.1.1
              7 August 2019 at 1:19 pm

              then it shows your complete lack of knowledge then. maybe some basic science around bacteria would be worth a look

              • Andre …
                7 August 2019 at 1:31 pm

                Working out the meaning of that very-slightly-cryptic comment was too difficult for you? Sorry. I'll try to remember your comprehension challenges for next time I respond to you.

      • Phil 10.2.3
        7 August 2019 at 1:08 pm

        sounds like you've never travelled.

        Yup. The tell-tale for me was:

        "Although increasingly the world is becoming visually homogenous, with everyone dressed by China… They say travel broadens the mind. Broad and shallow is also a thing"

      • Francesca 10.2.4
        7 August 2019 at 1:24 pm

        I have travelled but I dont view it as a God given right And I'm grateful for the travel I've had but don't see it as a necessity,more like a gross indulgence

        That's how it is for me you can of course please yourself

  11. marty mars 11
    7 August 2019 at 9:37 am

    "this isolated pile of rocks"

    some call it home – bit sad to read that dismal image of this land – but whatever not really surprised

    I think Greta shames so many that they bring up all sorts of irrelevancies to distract from their heinous contribution to our current climate emergency. She is a bright light indeed yay!

    • greywarshark 11.1
      7 August 2019 at 10:38 am

      This green jewel of the South is closer to the truth – the dismissive pile of rocks indicate a put-down mentality that is depressing to read.

      I put here lyrics slightly paraphrased, and older people will know the melody in their minds but I give a link with David Cassidy interpretation below and the feelings coming from being on an island beach with clean sea water; which we aim for if the will of our government controls and enables it.:

      "Bali Ha'i" lyrics – https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/davidcassidy/balihai.html

      David Cassidy Lyrics

      "Bali Ha'i"

      (The words sound right for Aotearoa don't you think?)

      [Aotearoa] B H may call you
      Any night, any day
      In your heart, you'll hear it call you
      'Come away, come away'.

      [Aotearoa] B H will whisper
      In the wind of the sea
      'Here am I, your special island'
      'Come to me, come to me'.

      Your own special hopes
      Your own special dreams
      Bloom on the hillside
      And shine in the streams.

      If you try, you will find me
      Where the sky meets the sea
      'Here am I, your special island'
      'Come to me, come to me'.

      Composers of Bali Hai show tune Richard Rodgers & Oscar Hammerstein II

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtApiCz_GFw by David Cassidy

  12. NZJester 12
    7 August 2019 at 10:35 am

    Cruise ships apparently give off 3 times as much pollution per passenger than the average plane. So unless they are going by sailboat the trip by plane would be greener.

    A lot of the garbage that accumulates on cruise ships is never offloaded at any port and magically disappears by the time they get into port. I wonder how they make it disappear.

  13. Gabby 13
    7 August 2019 at 10:54 am

    Do meat now addy, that was awesome.

  14. Jenny - How to Get there? 14
    7 August 2019 at 11:18 am

    Maybe we shouldn't?

    I am 60, my parents were world travelers. They never took a plane. In those days all overseas travel was by ship. (International air travel did exist, but it was way too expensive for the average traveler). The famed Oriana was the main passenger transport link between New Zealand and Australia.

    In the same period food was packaged in glass and tins, or wrapped in brown paper.

    The disastrous affects of plastic pollution are seeing legislation to discourage plastic use and return us to the older more environmentally friendly forms of packaging.

    There is no reason why we shouldn't apply this sort of legislative thinking to discourage air travel, and many reasons why we should.

    Modern high speed ferries can cross the Tasman in 24 hours compared to airliners 3 hours.

    Would this extra time really be such a hardship?

    What if air travel was made to pay for its full environmental cost, and surface travel again became the cheaper option.

    • Andre 14.1
      7 August 2019 at 12:01 pm

      A ferry fast enough to cross the Tasman in 24 hours is very likely to have higher emissions per passenger-km than flying, if it's fossil-fuel powered.

      The contributions of ferry travel to climate change have received less scrutiny than land and air transport, and vary considerably according to factors like speed and the number of passengers carried. Average carbon dioxide emissions by ferries per passenger-kilometre seem to be 0.12 kg (4.2 oz).However, 18-knot ferries between Finland and Sweden produce 0.221 kg (7.8 oz) of CO2, with total emissions equalling a CO2 equivalent of 0.223 kg (7.9 oz), while 24–27-knot ferries between Finland and Estonia produce 0.396 kg (14.0 oz) of CO2 with total emissions equalling a CO2 equivalent of 0.4 kg (14 oz).

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferry#Sustainability

      In any case, if flying and shipping were required to pay for their hazardous waste disposal, rather than getting to dump it for free, we'd find out quite quickly which transport modes really are lower emissions.

      • Jenny - How to Get there? 14.1.1
        7 August 2019 at 12:50 pm

        The world’s fastes ship the Francisco runs on LNG as its primary fuel, Yes still a fossil fuel, but the cleanest burning of the fossil fuels with the smallest CO2 footprint.

        …..the world’s first dual fuel high speed ferry to operate on LNG as its primary fuel, and the fastest, environmentally cleanest, most efficient, high speed ferry in the world.

        https://www.marineinsight.com/shipping-news/worlds-fastest-ship-built-tasmania-christened-argentinas-president/

        I mean LNG is not perfect but it is better than burning kerosene or diesal. And could be swapped for hydrogen if this ever becomes widely available as a fuel.

  15. Kevin 15
    7 August 2019 at 11:34 am

    "Cruise ships won’t ever replace the value, volume, and efficiency of international air travel in and out of New Zealand."

    Like a lot of the comforts we currently enjoy, air travel will change at some point and taking longer to get from point A to B will not be something we have a choice over.

    • Jenny - How to Get there? 15.1
      7 August 2019 at 12:54 pm

      Exactly. Which is why we should get in early, tax the hell out of air travel and put the money into a fleet of Incat vessels.

      Talk about future proofing the country.

      Think about all the jobs it will create.

      • Andre 15.1.1
        7 August 2019 at 1:01 pm

        That's making the mistake of forcing a particular response, regardless of whether that response actually improves the problem you're trying to tackle.

        Simply taxing the hell out of fossil fuel leaves the potential solution space much more open and directly discourages the behaviour you're trying to reduce, which is burning fossil fuels.

  16. indiana 16
    7 August 2019 at 11:34 am

    Somebody should introduce her to video conferencing, if she wants to be there in person.

  17. Andre 17
    7 August 2019 at 12:09 pm

    If anyone is curious about exactly how Thunberg is planning to cross the Atlantic, apparently a racing yacht team offered to do a special trip to take her in a former Vendee Globe racer.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49156223

    She's in for a helluva ride.

    Considering what goes on as far as building, maintaining, and supporting these kinds of race yachts goes, crossing the Atlantic in one as a specific trip falls firmly in the category of publicity stunt rather than being a big-picture low-emissions way of getting there.

  18. Drowsy M. Kram 18
    7 August 2019 at 12:13 pm

    'I'll give up my conveniences when you pry them from my luke-warm, dead hands.'

    Was toying with the idea of not doing any more international travel, but Advantage's post ("keep flying, and encourage all your friends here too") makes a provocative case for how wrong-headed that choice would be, and how inappropriate Thunberg’s stance is for NZ.

    Say NO to 'virtue signalling', say YES to BAU – full 'steam' ahead, the iceberg* is in sight.

    *Grandma, what's an iceberg?

  19. Jess NZ 19
    7 August 2019 at 12:23 pm

    My father brought our whole family from the US to NZ in 1988, seeing how fast the corruption and danger was growing.

    To those who feel NZ would be the poorer without regular outside influence via fast air travel, I say: You don't know how lucky you are.

  20. greywarshark 20
    7 August 2019 at 12:42 pm

    Peter Bethune is a NZr who has been a leader in trying to develop new energy ideas for boat power. There is the date 2004 given for the start of the project.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Bethune

    Based on his research at Macquarie Graduate School of Management, Captain Bethune set out to prove that hydrocarbon fuels could be replaced by sustainable bio-fuels.[6] He had Earthrace designed by LOMOcean Design and built in order to break the world record for a circumnavigation of the globe by a powerboat in hopes that it would call attention to the viability of biodiesel as an alternative fuel. He mortgaged his New Zealand home and financed the building in the hopes of recouping the expenses from sponsorship. He declined a $4 million sponsorship from a company that would have required them to use regular diesel.

    Earthrace World Record (trailer): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0Eb-KVAQIk

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MY_Ady_Gil

    MY Ady Gil (formerly Earthrace) was a 78-foot (24 m), wave-piercing trimaran, which was originally created as part of a project to break the world record for circumnavigating the globe in a powerboat. The vessel was powered by biodiesel fuel, but was also capable of running on regular diesel fuel.[2][3][4] It used other eco-friendly materials, such as vegetable oil lubricants, hemp composites, and non-toxic anti-fouling, and had features such as bilge water filters…

    The first attempt at the global circumnavigation record in 2007 was ill-fated. The boat encountered mechanical problems on several occasions…

    In late 2009, it was announced that the boat, now repainted black and named Ady Gil, would be participating in anti-whaling operations under the lead of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society. During operations in the Southern Ocean, the vessel and the Japanese whaling support vessel MV Shōnan Maru 2 collided on 6 January 2010, resulting in loss of the Ady Gil's bow and injuring one crew member.[6][7][8] Each side blamed the other for causing the collision, and government agencies began an investigation into the incident.[9] The crew of the Ady Gil were removed from the damaged vessel[10][11] and the salvage operation was abandoned, with the vessel sinking the next day.

    So – the end of Earthrace/Ady Gil.

    An action-packed background of the boat and Bethune: https://www.earthrace.net/about/history/

    5/5/2018 https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/102768889/pete-bethunes-long-road-from-oil-explorer-to-enviro-campaigner

    • mickysavage 20.1
      7 August 2019 at 1:17 pm

      I had the pleasure of a ride in the Ady Gil and it was a hell of an experience.

      I am also convinced that the ship was rammed by a Japanese whaling ship and sunk.

      http://waitakerenews.blogspot.com/2010/01/earthrace-is-dead.html

      http://waitakerenews.blogspot.com/2011/01/sinking-of-ady-gil-one-year-on.html

      • greywarshark 20.1.1
        7 August 2019 at 3:26 pm

        Fortunate for you.

        This from reports about the 'ramming'.

        Bethune Says He Acted Under Orders to Scuttle Million-Dollar Ship
        According to Bethune, after the Ady Gil and the whaler Shonan Maru 2 collided, shearing off the bow of the Sea Shepherd vessel, Paul Watson "wanted me to scuttle the Ady Gil. He said there was no point in towing the boat all the way to the French base, and that it would be best if the boat was just sunk and we could get on with chasing the whalers. Later that day, Chuck and I went to the Ady Gil, and I performed the necessary tasks with Chuck observing. Ady Gil then gradually took on water, and later that night she was left to sink, while the Bob Barker move on to pursue the fleet." (Ecorazzi)

        Which Sea Shepher's Paul Watson denied.

  21. bwaghorn 21
    7 August 2019 at 1:11 pm

    Sweet if 5% and over is the cut off for doing anything about climate change nzs miniscule 0.1% gives us a free pass

    • greywarshark 21.1
      7 August 2019 at 3:02 pm

      bwaghorn

      You wish! If we don't do our bit those who are doing something will look down their noses at us and our clean green myth will really be muddied. And we have less power to point the fingers at the big polluters and say in a self-justified way that they are not stepping up and making changes. Things are bad already and people are getting hot about it, both in their bodies and in their minds. This is no time for jokes, for hanging back, for looking like irresponsible hicks from the sticks, for people who are just a pusy pimple on a pumpkin at the bottom of the world. And we have to set a good example to others, and Australia is doing more, though a lot to do for them, they will despise and denigrate us more than they tend to do now if we aren't showing that we are up to our responsibilities. We have to get tough on ourselves, not this softly softly, oh the economy can't cope, we will lose money – everything has been taken away from the low income part of this country, now the upper earners have to stop looking for an easy ride to whatever they like to spend their money on to please themselves.

      • In Vino 21.1.1
        7 August 2019 at 10:19 pm

        +1 Waghorn, are you trying to justify betrayal or hypocrisy? You know the problem.

  22. New view 22
    7 August 2019 at 2:32 pm

    I can understand travelling if you want to see something specific, but to attend a conference let alone a climate conference seems pathetic. Why can’t any meeting be organised online with all the flashy technology these days. One to one meetings to exchange ideas can be done the same way. Or maybe the hotels taxis and restaurants would suffer to much. And we give our farmers a hard time because their cows fart too much.

    • greywarshark 22.1
      7 August 2019 at 3:33 pm

      New View you saying what you do so often here will lead to TS farting too and it will be your fault. You will be the cause of our main pollution. How do you feel about that? You don't seem to have any views that are new, and we might have to complain to the authorities on account of you are not delivering what you promise, not fit for purpose. 'What a senseless waste of human life'.'

      • New view 22.1.1
        7 August 2019 at 9:54 pm

        Fair enough, you’ve put the boot in, but but not answered the question about travelling to a conference about climate change by air, and how wasteful that is when conferences in general could be conducted over the internet. A reasonable question I would have thought. In fact isn’t that what the article is about. I haven’t done the math but don’t have to. The emissions emanating to the atmosphere from our livestock as compared to the carbon burned by the dozens of flights leaving NZ on a daily basis would be a lot less I would have thought. the article is attempting to shine a light on frivolous air travel and comparing it to travelling by sea. If Im wrong I’m sure someone will be quick to correct me. Instead of abusing me personally why don’t you explain to me why I’ve got it so wrong. The reference to the cows farting was to highlight the media coverage given to that topic as compared to the topic of this article. That obviously went right over your head.

        • In Vino 22.1.1.1
          7 August 2019 at 10:34 pm

          New View – are you aware that methane as burped by our live stock is at least 60 times more powerful as a warming factor than CO2? So I think: yes, it is quite likely that emissions from livestock are worse than those from air travel. Methane working 60 times worse than CO2 until it breaks down (much into CO2 anyway) after 12 years is pretty damaging.

          You are so short-sighted without any depth, that I think you should lengthen your monika. How about you call yourself 'New View with no Vision'?

          • New view 22.1.1.1.1
            8 August 2019 at 12:38 am

            You are trying to discredit my comparisons for what purpose. To justify air travel. Surely not. A 12 hour flight will release a tonn of co2 into the atmosphere. There are hundreds of international flights in and out of NZ every day and thousands of flights outside NZ. I’m not defending animal emissions, I’m trying to highlight the discrepancy in the attention given between livestock and air travel emissions. This article was touching on the roll aircraft and sea travel play in global warming. Most tourists are happy to travel by air and disregard its affects on the environment and if they do think about it still do it anyway because they want to travel. Many of those same people will criticise livestock farming for its emissions. Those who fly as tourists and then criticise livestock farming could be accused of double standards because there is no way they would give up their right to travel. But then I’m the one with no vision. I think the article has done its job to remind us that unnecessary travel is a huge problem globally and not just air travel but also the amount of crap we cart with us and then leave wherever we go.

  23. Robert Guyton 23
    7 August 2019 at 9:01 pm

    Please watch this:

    https://youtu.be/3VZSJKbzyMc

  24. McFlock 24
    7 August 2019 at 10:19 pm

    Besides the fact she's going in a yacht, the cruise ship thing is complete crap. The old liners weren't cruise ships, they were a mix of cargo and passengers.

    I've no idea if it still happens, but you used to be able to books passage on cargo ships – cabin, but no hotel service or theme parks.

    Sooner or later the number of passengers that can be packed into aircraft will reach a fuel and scale limit, and fuel will become more of a scarce resource. The eceonomic balance will go back to shipping.

    Not in time, though. Thunberg's trip simply shows us that if we think and cooperate, we can find alternatives to burning fossils.

  25. lprent 25
    7 August 2019 at 10:24 pm

    Interesting discussion. Several points worth looking at are (off the top of my head):

    The actual amount of greenhouse gas being pumped out of aircraft is way less important than where it is being pumped out. Basically if you're pumping CO2 out at 10km up, it will be at least an order of magnitude worse as a greenhouse gas than if it happens at sea level – simply because it residence time in the atmosphere will be at least that much longer.

    There is the old question of using lighter than air craft. But the problem is that their area increases the drag coefficient so much that it is unlikely that are LTA with even a moderate passengar load will move a lot faster than something like150km/hour.

    Using hybrid lighter than air aircraft rather than simply relying on a wing surface. The usual problem with drag coefficients gets reduced. So does the level of stored energy to fly – less fuel = less emissions.

    Somehow I don't think that it is ever likely to do passenger transport from Auckland to Southampton (cruise ships do it in a mere 64 days) will ever reduce much. Basically it doesn’t matter how you look at it, transporting people is inefficient in energy and emissions

    On the other hand it depends what you’re doing with travel. I spent a total of 5 months in Singapore last year making sure a massive value project exporting IP completed. I’m pretty sure that was a way more effective economic use of the energy and emissions than flying to the islands to sunbathe would be..

    Personally I mostly use online and work with people everywhere from Texas to the UK. But it is pretty damn hard to deal with off-internet systems or hardware that way.

    Incidentally KJT is correct about the issues of sailing with bulk transport. It really isn’t that useful out in the Pacific or for that matter in the Atlantic in winter. Maybe in inland seas with short runs like the Med or Baltic seas or even the English channel?

    But with the kind of southerlies and other weather systems we get around here, it isn’t going to have a hope of being economic in its broadest sense. When you look at the kinds of goods transported in sailing ships, they were very high value and low mass or not required in a timely fashion.

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    Buzz from the Beehive Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones relishes spatting and eagerly takes issue with environmentalists who criticise his enthusiasm for resource development. He relishes helping the fishing industry too. And so today, while the media are making much of the latest culling in the public service to ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    1 day ago

  • Again, hate crimes are not necessarily terrorism.
    Having written, taught and worked for the US government on issues involving unconventional warfare and terrorism for 30-odd years, two things irritate me the most when the subject is discussed in public. The first is the Johnny-come-lately academics-turned-media commentators who … Continue reading → ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 day ago

  • Despair – construction consenting edition
    Eric Crampton writes – Kainga Ora is the government’s house building agency. It’s been building a lot of social housing. Kainga Ora has its own (but independent) consenting authority, Consentium. It’s a neat idea. Rather than have to deal with building consents across each different territorial authority, Kainga Ora ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    1 day ago

  • Coalition promises – will the Govt keep the commitment to keep Kiwis equal before the law?
    Muriel Newman writes – The Coalition Government says it is moving with speed to deliver campaign promises and reverse the damage done by Labour. One of their key commitments is to “defend the principle that New Zealanders are equal before the law.” To achieve this, they have pledged they “will not advance ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    1 day ago

  • An impermanent public service is a guarantee of very little else but failure
    Chris Trotter writes –  The absence of anything resembling a fightback from the public servants currently losing their jobs is interesting. State-sector workers’ collective fatalism in the face of Coalition cutbacks indicates a surprisingly broad acceptance of impermanence in the workplace. Fifty years ago, lay-offs in the thousands ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    1 day ago

  • What happens after the war – Mariupol
    Mariupol, on the Azov Sea coast, was one of the first cities to suffer almost complete destruction after the start of the Ukraine War started in late February 2022. We remember the scenes of absolute destruction of the houses and city structures. The deaths of innocent civilians – many of ...
    Open ParachuteBy Ken
    1 day ago

  • Babies and benefits – no good news
    Lindsay Mitchell writes – Ten years ago, I wrote the following in a Listener column: Every year around one in five new-born babies will be reliant on their caregivers benefit by Christmas. This pattern has persisted from at least 1993. For Maori the number jumps to over one in three.  ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    1 day ago

  • Should the RBNZ be looking through climate inflation?
    Climate change is expected to generate more and more extreme events, delivering a sort of structural shock to inflation that central banks will have to react to as if they were short-term cyclical issues. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāMy pick of the six newsey things to know from Aotearoa’s ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 day ago

  • Bernard's pick 'n' mix of the news links
    The top six news links I’ve seen elsewhere in the last 24 hours, as of 9:16 am on Thursday, April 18 are:Housing: Tauranga residents living in boats, vans RNZ Checkpoint Louise TernouthHousing: Waikato councillor says wastewater plant issues could hold up Sleepyhead building a massive company town Waikato Times Stephen ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 day ago

  • Gordon Campbell on the public sector carnage, and misogyny as terrorism
    It’s a simple deal. We pay taxes in order to finance the social services we want and need. The carnage now occurring across the public sector though, is breaking that contract. Over 3,000 jobs have been lost so far. Many are in crucial areas like Education where the impact of ...
    Gordon CampbellBy lyndon
    1 day ago

  • Meeting the Master Baiters
    Hi,A friend had their 40th over the weekend and decided to theme it after Curb Your Enthusiasm fashion icon Susie Greene. Captured in my tiny kitchen before I left the house, I ending up evoking a mix of old lesbian and Hillary Clinton — both unintentional.Me vs Hillary ClintonIf you’re ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    1 day ago

  • How extreme was the Earth's temperature in 2023
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    Skeptical Science
    2 days ago

  • Backbone, revisited
    The schools are on holiday and the sun is shining in the seaside village and all day long I have been seeing bunches of bikes; Mums, Dads, teens and toddlers chattering, laughing, happy, having a bloody great time together. Cheers, AT, for the bits of lane you’ve added lately around the ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    2 days ago

  • Ministers are not above the law
    Today in our National-led authoritarian nightmare: Shane Jones thinks Ministers should be above the law: New Zealand First MP Shane Jones is accusing the Waitangi Tribunal of over-stepping its mandate by subpoenaing a minister for its urgent hearing on the Oranga Tamariki claim. The tribunal is looking into the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago

  • What’s the outfit you can hear going down the gurgler? Probably it’s David Parker’s Oceans Sec...
    Buzz from the Beehive Point  of Order first heard of the Oceans Secretariat in June 2021, when David Parker (remember him?) announced a multi-agency approach to protecting New Zealand’s marine ecosystems and fisheries. Parker (holding the Environment, and Oceans and Fisheries portfolios) broke the news at the annual Forest & ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    2 days ago

  • Will politicians let democracy die in the darkness?
    Bryce Edwards writes  – Politicians across the political spectrum are implicated in the New Zealand media’s failing health. Either through neglect or incompetent interventions, successive governments have failed to regulate, foster, and allow a healthy Fourth Estate that can adequately hold politicians and the powerful to account. ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    2 days ago

  • Matt Doocey doubles down on trans “healthcare”
    Citizen Science writes –  Last week saw two significant developments in the debate over the treatment of trans-identifying children and young people – the release in Britain of the final report of Dr Hilary Cass’s review into gender healthcare, and here in New Zealand, the news that the ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    2 days ago

  • A TikTok Prime Minister.
    One night while sleeping in my bed I had a beautiful dreamThat all the people of the world got together on the same wavelengthAnd began helping one anotherNow in this dream, universal love was the theme of the dayPeace and understanding and it happened this wayAfter such an eventful day ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    2 days ago

  • Texas Lessons
    This is a guest post by Oscar Simms who is a housing activist, volunteer for the Coalition for More Homes, and was the Labour Party candidate for Auckland Central at the last election. ...
    Greater AucklandBy Guest Post
    2 days ago

  • Bernard's pick 'n' mix of the news links at 6:06 am
    The top six news links I’ve seen elsewhere in the last 24 hours as of 6:06 am on Wednesday, April 17 are:Must read: Secrecy shrouds which projects might be fast-tracked RNZ Farah HancockScoop: Revealed: Luxon has seven staffers working on social media content - partly paid for by taxpayer Newshub ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago

  • Fighting poverty on the holiday highway
    Turning what Labour called the “holiday highway” into a four-lane expressway from Auckland to Whangarei could bring at least an economic benefit of nearly two billion a year for Northland each year. And it could help bring an end to poverty in one of New Zealand’s most deprived regions. The ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    3 days ago

  • Bernard's six-stack of substacks at 6:26 pm
    Tonight’s six-stack includes: launching his substack with a bunch of his previous documentaries, including this 1992 interview with Dame Whina Cooper. and here crew give climate activists plenty to do, including this call to submit against the Fast Track Approvals bill. writes brilliantly here on his substack ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago

  • At a glance – Is the science settled?
    On February 14, 2023 we announced our Rebuttal Update Project. This included an ask for feedback about the added "At a glance" section in the updated basic rebuttal versions. This weekly blog post series highlights this new section of one of the updated basic rebuttal versions and serves as a ...
    Skeptical Science
    3 days ago

  • Apposite Quotations.
    How Long Is Long Enough? Gaza under Israeli bombardment, July 2014. This posting is exclusive to Bowalley Road. ...
    Bowalley Road
    3 days ago

  • What’s a life worth now?
    You're in the mall when you hear it: some kind of popping sound in the distance, kids with fireworks, maybe. But then a moment of eerie stillness is followed by more of the fireworks sound and there’s also screaming and shrieking and now here come people running for their lives.Does ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    3 days ago

  • Howling at the Moon
    Karl du Fresne writes –  There’s a crisis in the news media and the media are blaming it on everyone except themselves. Culpability is being deflected elsewhere – mainly to the hapless Minister of Communications, Melissa Lee, and the big social media platforms that are accused of hoovering ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago

  • Newshub is Dead.
    I don’t normally send out two newsletters in a day but I figured I’d say something about… the news. If two newsletters is a bit much then maybe just skip one, I don’t want to overload people. Alternatively if you’d be interested in sometimes receiving multiple, smaller updates from me, ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago

  • Seymour is chuffed about cutting early-learning red tape – but we hear, too, that Jones has loose...
    Buzz from the Beehive David Seymour and Winston Peters today signalled that at least two ministers of the Crown might be in Wellington today. Seymour (as Associate Minister of Education) announced the removal of more red tape, this time to make it easier for new early learning services to be ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    3 days ago

  • Bryce Edwards: Will politicians let democracy die in the darkness?
    Politicians across the political spectrum are implicated in the New Zealand media’s failing health. Either through neglect or incompetent interventions, successive governments have failed to regulate, foster, and allow a healthy Fourth Estate that can adequately hold politicians and the powerful to account. Our political system is suffering from the ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    3 days ago

  • Was Hawkesby entirely wrong?
    David Farrar  writes –  The Broadcasting Standards Authority ruled: Comments by radio host Kate Hawkesby suggesting Māori and Pacific patients were being prioritised for surgery due to their ethnicity were misleading and discriminatory, the Broadcasting Standards Authority has found. It is a fact such patients are prioritised. ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago

  • PRC shadow looms as the Solomons head for election
    PRC and its proxies in Solomons have been preparing for these elections for a long time. A lot of money, effort and intelligence have gone into ensuring an outcome that won’t compromise Beijing’s plans. Cleo Paskall writes – On April 17th the Solomon Islands, a country of ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago

  • Climate Change: Criminal ecocide
    We are in the middle of a climate crisis. Last year was (again) the hottest year on record. NOAA has just announced another global coral bleaching event. Floods are threatening UK food security. So naturally, Shane Jones wants to make it easier to mine coal: Resources Minister Shane Jones ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago

  • Is saving one minute of a politician's time worth nearly $1 billion?
    Is speeding up the trip to and from Wellington airport by 12 minutes worth spending up more than $10 billion? Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The six news items that stood out to me in the last day to 8:26 am today are:The Lead: Transport Minister Simeon Brown announced ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago

  • Long Tunnel or Long Con?
    Yesterday it was revealed that Transport Minister had asked Waka Kotahi to look at the options for a long tunnel through Wellington. State Highway 1 (SH1) through Wellington City is heavily congested at peak times and while planning continues on the duplicate Mt Victoria Tunnel and Basin Reserve project, the ...
    Greater AucklandBy Matt L
    3 days ago

  • Smoke And Mirrors.
    You're a fraud, and you know itBut it's too good to throw it all awayAnyone would do the sameYou've got 'em goingAnd you're careful not to show itSometimes you even fool yourself a bitIt's like magicBut it's always been a smoke and mirrors gameAnyone would do the sameForty six billion ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago

  • What is Mexico doing about climate change?
    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections The June general election in Mexico could mark a turning point in ensuring that the country’s climate policies better reflect the desire of its citizens to address the climate crisis, with both leading presidential candidates expressing support for renewable energy. Mexico is the ...
    Skeptical Science
    4 days ago

  • State of humanity, 2024
    2024, it feels, keeps presenting us with ever more challenges, ever more dismay.Do you give up yet? It seems to ask.No? How about this? Or this?How about this?When I say 2024 I really mean the state of humanity in 2024.Saturday night, we watched Civil War because that is one terrifying cliff we've ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    4 days ago

  • Govt’s Wellington tunnel vision aims to ease the way to the airport (but zealous promoters of cycl...
    Buzz from the Beehive A pet project and governmental tunnel vision jump out from the latest batch of ministerial announcements. The government is keen to assure us of its concern for the wellbeing of our pets. It will be introducing pet bonds in a change to the Residential Tenancies Act ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    4 days ago

  • The case for cultural connectedness
    A recent report generated from a Growing Up in New Zealand (GUiNZ) survey of 1,224 rangatahi Māori aged 11-12 found: Cultural connectedness was associated with fewer depression symptoms, anxiety symptoms and better quality of life. That sounds cut and dry. But further into the report the following appears: Cultural connectedness is ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago

  • Useful context on public sector job cuts
    David Farrar writes –    The Herald reports: From the gory details of job-cuts news, you’d think the public service was being eviscerated.   While the media’s view of the cuts is incomplete, it’s also true that departments have been leaking the particulars faster than a Wellington ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago

  • Gordon Campbell On When Racism Comes Disguised As Anti-racism
    Remember the good old days, back when New Zealand had a PM who could think and speak calmly and intelligently in whole sentences without blustering? Even while Iran’s drones and missiles were still being launched, Helen Clark was live on TVNZ expertly summing up the latest crisis in the Middle ...
    Gordon CampbellBy lyndon
    4 days ago

  • Govt ignored economic analysis of smokefree reversal
    Costello did not pass on analysis of the benefits of the smokefree reforms to Cabinet, emphasising instead the extra tax revenues of repealing them. Photo: Hagen Hopkins, Getty Images TL;DR: The six news items that stood out to me at 7:26 am today are:The Lead: Casey Costello never passed on ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago

  • True Blue.
    True loveYou're the one I'm dreaming ofYour heart fits me like a gloveAnd I'm gonna be true blueBaby, I love youI’ve written about the job cuts in our news media last week. The impact on individuals, and the loss to Aotearoa of voices covering our news from different angles.That by ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    4 days ago

  • Who is running New Zealand’s foreign policy?
    While commentators, including former Prime Minister Helen Clark, are noting a subtle shift in New Zealand’s foreign policy, which now places more emphasis on the United States, many have missed a key element of the shift. What National said before the election is not what the government is doing now. ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    5 days ago

  • 2024 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #15
    A listing of 31 news and opinion articles we found interesting and shared on social media during the past week: Sun, April 7, 2024 thru Sat, April 13, 2024. Story of the week Our story of the week is about adults in the room setting terms and conditions of ...
    Skeptical Science
    5 days ago

  • Feline Friends and Fragile Fauna The Complexities of Cats in New Zealand’s Conservation Efforts

    Cats, with their independent spirit and beguiling purrs, have captured the hearts of humans for millennia. In New Zealand, felines are no exception, boasting the highest national cat ownership rate globally [definition cat nz cat foundation]. An estimated 1.134 million pet cats grace Kiwi households, compared to 683,000 dogs ...

    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    5 days ago

  • Or is that just they want us to think?
    Nice guy, that Peter Williams. Amiable, a calm air of no-nonsense capability, a winning smile. Everything you look for in a TV presenter and newsreader.I used to see him sometimes when I went to TVNZ to be a talking head or a panellist and we would yarn. Nice guy, that ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    5 days ago

  • Fact Brief – Did global warming stop in 1998?
    Skeptical Science is partnering with Gigafact to produce fact briefs — bite-sized fact checks of trending claims. This fact brief was written by Sue Bin Park in collaboration with members from our Skeptical Science team. You can submit claims you think need checking via the tipline. Did global warming stop in ...
    Skeptical Science
    6 days ago

  • Arguing over a moot point.
    I have been following recent debates in the corporate and social media about whether it is a good idea for NZ to join what is known as “AUKUS Pillar Two.” AUKUS is the Australian-UK-US nuclear submarine building agreement in which … Continue reading → ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    6 days ago

  • $41m to support clean energy in South East Asia
    New Zealand is demonstrating its commitment to reducing global greenhouse emissions, and supporting clean energy transition in South East Asia, through a contribution of NZ$41 million (US$25 million) in climate finance to the Asian Development Bank (ADB)-led Energy Transition Mechanism (ETM). Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Climate Change Minister Simon Watts announced ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 hour ago

  • Minister releases Fast-track stakeholder list
    The Government is today releasing a list of organisations who received letters about the Fast-track applications process, says RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop. “Recently Ministers and agencies have received a series of OIA requests for a list of organisations to whom I wrote with information on applying to have a ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 hours ago

  • Judicial appointments announced
    Attorney-General Judith Collins today announced the appointment of Wellington Barrister David Jonathan Boldt as a Judge of the High Court, and the Honourable Justice Matthew Palmer as a Judge of the Court of Appeal. Justice Boldt graduated with an LLB from Victoria University of Wellington in 1990, and also holds ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 hours ago

  • Education Minister heads to major teaching summit in Singapore
    Education Minister Erica Stanford will lead the New Zealand delegation at the 2024 International Summit on the Teaching Profession (ISTP) held in Singapore. The delegation includes representatives from the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) Te Wehengarua and the New Zealand Educational Institute (NZEI) Te Riu Roa.  The summit is co-hosted ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 hours ago

  • Value of stopbank project proven during cyclone
    A stopbank upgrade project in Tairawhiti partly funded by the Government has increased flood resilience for around 7000ha of residential and horticultural land so far, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones today attended a dawn service in Gisborne to mark the end of the first stage of the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 hours ago

  • Anzac commemorations, Türkiye relationship focus of visit
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters will represent the Government at Anzac Day commemorations on the Gallipoli Peninsula next week and engage with senior representatives of the Turkish government in Istanbul.    “The Gallipoli campaign is a defining event in our history. It will be a privilege to share the occasion ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 hours ago

  • Minister to Europe for OECD meeting, Anzac Day
    Science, Innovation and Technology and Defence Minister Judith Collins will next week attend the OECD Science and Technology Ministerial conference in Paris and Anzac Day commemorations in Belgium. “Science, innovation and technology have a major role to play in rebuilding our economy and achieving better health, environmental and social outcomes ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    8 hours ago

  • Comprehensive Partnership the goal for NZ and the Philippines
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with the President of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos Jr.  The Prime Minister was accompanied by MP Paulo Garcia, the first Filipino to be elected to a legislature outside the Philippines. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon and President Marcos Jr discussed opportunities to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    19 hours ago

  • Government commits $20m to Westport flood protection
    The Government has announced that $20 million in funding will be made available to Westport to fund much needed flood protection around the town. This measure will significantly improve the resilience of the community, says Local Government Minister Simeon Brown. “The Westport community has already been allocated almost $3 million ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Taupō takes pole position
    The Government is proud to support the first ever Repco Supercars Championship event in Taupō as up to 70,000 motorsport fans attend the Taupō International Motorsport Park this weekend, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. “Anticipation for the ITM Taupō Super400 is huge, with tickets and accommodation selling out weeks ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Cost of living support for low-income homeowners
    Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced an increase to the Rates Rebate Scheme, putting money back into the pockets of low-income homeowners.  “The coalition Government is committed to bringing down the cost of living for New Zealanders. That includes targeted support for those Kiwis who are doing things tough, such ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Government backing mussel spat project
    The Coalition Government is investing in a project to boost survival rates of New Zealand mussels and grow the industry, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones has announced. “This project seeks to increase the resilience of our mussels and significantly boost the sector’s productivity,” Mr Jones says. “The project - ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Government focused on getting people into work
    Benefit figures released today underscore the importance of the Government’s plan to rebuild the economy and have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker Support, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “Benefit numbers are still significantly higher than when National was last in government, when there was about 70,000 fewer ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Clean energy key driver to reducing emissions
    The Government’s commitment to doubling New Zealand’s renewable energy capacity is backed by new data showing that clean energy has helped the country reach its lowest annual gross emissions since 1999, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. New Zealand’s latest Greenhouse Gas Inventory (1990-2022) published today, shows gross emissions fell ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Earthquake-prone buildings review brought forward
    The Government is bringing the earthquake-prone building review forward, with work to start immediately, and extending the deadline for remediations by four years, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “Our Government is focused on rebuilding the economy. A key part of our plan is to cut red tape that ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Thailand and NZ to agree to Strategic Partnership
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his Thai counterpart, Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, have today agreed that New Zealand and the Kingdom of Thailand will upgrade the bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership by 2026. “New Zealand and Thailand have a lot to offer each other. We have a strong mutual desire to build ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Government consults on extending coastal permits for ports
    RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop and Transport Minister Simeon Brown have today announced the Coalition Government’s intention to extend port coastal permits for a further 20 years, providing port operators with certainty to continue their operations. “The introduction of the Resource Management Act in 1991 required ports to obtain coastal ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Inflation coming down, but more work to do
    Today’s announcement that inflation is down to 4 per cent is encouraging news for Kiwis, but there is more work to be done - underlining the importance of the Government’s plan to get the economy back on track, acting Finance Minister Chris Bishop says. “Inflation is now at 4 per ...
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    2 days ago

  • School attendance restored as a priority in health advice
    Refreshed health guidance released today will help parents and schools make informed decisions about whether their child needs to be in school, addressing one of the key issues affecting school attendance, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. In recent years, consistently across all school terms, short-term illness or medical reasons ...
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    2 days ago

  • Unnecessary bureaucracy cut in oceans sector
    Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is streamlining high-level oceans management while maintaining a focus on supporting the sector’s role in the export-led recovery of the economy. “I am working to realise the untapped potential of our fishing and aquaculture sector. To achieve that we need to be smarter with ...
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    2 days ago

  • Patterson promoting NZ’s wool sector at International Congress
    Associate Agriculture Minister Mark Patterson is speaking at the International Wool Textile Organisation Congress in Adelaide, promoting New Zealand wool, and outlining the coalition Government’s support for the revitalisation the sector.    "New Zealand’s wool exports reached $400 million in the year to 30 June 2023, and the coalition Government ...
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    3 days ago

  • Removing red tape to help early learners thrive
    The Government is making legislative changes to make it easier for new early learning services to be established, and for existing services to operate, Associate Education Minister David Seymour says. The changes involve repealing the network approval provisions that apply when someone wants to establish a new early learning service, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • RMA changes to cut coal mining consent red tape
    Changes to the Resource Management Act will align consenting for coal mining to other forms of mining to reduce barriers that are holding back economic development, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. “The inconsistent treatment of coal mining compared with other extractive activities is burdensome red tape that fails to acknowledge ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • McClay reaffirms strong NZ-China trade relationship
    Trade, Agriculture and Forestry Minister Todd McClay has concluded productive discussions with ministerial counterparts in Beijing today, in support of the New Zealand-China trade and economic relationship. “My meeting with Commerce Minister Wang Wentao reaffirmed the complementary nature of the bilateral trade relationship, with our Free Trade Agreement at its ...
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    4 days ago

  • Prime Minister Luxon acknowledges legacy of Singapore Prime Minister Lee
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon today paid tribute to Singapore’s outgoing Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong.   Meeting in Singapore today immediately before Prime Minister Lee announced he was stepping down, Prime Minister Luxon warmly acknowledged his counterpart’s almost twenty years as leader, and the enduring legacy he has left for Singapore and South East ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • PMs Luxon and Lee deepen Singapore-NZ ties
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. While in Singapore as part of his visit to South East Asia this week, Prime Minister Luxon also met with Singapore President Tharman Shanmugaratnam and will meet with Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong.  During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon ...
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    4 days ago

  • Antarctica New Zealand Board appointments
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters has made further appointments to the Board of Antarctica New Zealand as part of a continued effort to ensure the Scott Base Redevelopment project is delivered in a cost-effective and efficient manner.  The Minister has appointed Neville Harris as a new member of the Board. Mr ...
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    4 days ago

  • Finance Minister travels to Washington DC
    Finance Minister Nicola Willis will travel to the United States on Tuesday to attend a meeting of the Five Finance Ministers group, with counterparts from Australia, the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom.  “I am looking forward to meeting with our Five Finance partners on how we can work ...
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    4 days ago

  • Pet bonds a win/win for renters and landlords
    The coalition Government has today announced purrfect and pawsitive changes to the Residential Tenancies Act to give tenants with pets greater choice when looking for a rental property, says Housing Minister Chris Bishop. “Pets are important members of many Kiwi families. It’s estimated that around 64 per cent of New ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • Long Tunnel for SH1 Wellington being considered
    State Highway 1 (SH1) through Wellington City is heavily congested at peak times and while planning continues on the duplicate Mt Victoria Tunnel and Basin Reserve project, the Government has also asked NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) to consider and provide advice on a Long Tunnel option, Transport Minister Simeon Brown ...
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    4 days ago

  • New Zealand condemns Iranian strikes
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Foreign Minister Winston Peters have condemned Iran’s shocking and illegal strikes against Israel.    “These attacks are a major challenge to peace and stability in a region already under enormous pressure," Mr Luxon says.    "We are deeply concerned that miscalculation on any side could ...
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    5 days ago

  • Huge interest in Government’s infrastructure plans
    Hundreds of people in little over a week have turned out in Northland to hear Regional Development Minister Shane Jones speak about plans for boosting the regional economy through infrastructure. About 200 people from the infrastructure and associated sectors attended an event headlined by Mr Jones in Whangarei today. Last ...
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