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1. Bill 1

   3 August 2018 at 11:09 am

   How to get them the same amount of free publicity and oxygen as the challenged no-body’s from Canada. That’s the question.

   Anyone got a high horse pumping forth on legs of righteous intolerance that they’d like to lend out?
   • tsmithfield 1.1

     3 August 2018 at 11:33 am

     Would you like us righties to petition the government not to let them in? Maybe organise some protests. Maybe trash a few things?
2. tsmithfield 2

   3 August 2018 at 11:11 am

   This actually looks like an interesting debate. It is always good to hear a debate from opposing perspectives.

   Are they coming to Christchurch?
   • veutoviper 2.1

     3 August 2018 at 11:48 am

     No. Auckland only according to the Thinkinc site.

     https://thinkinc.org.au/westmurray/

     Another person of interest also touring Australia and NZ via Thinkinc is Chelsea Manning in Sept – Auckland, Sat 8 Sept at the Q Theatre, and Wellington, Embassy Theatre, Sun 9 Sept.

     http://www.qtheatre.co.nz/chelsea-manning
     https://www.eventfinda.co.nz/2018/an-evening-with-chelsea-manning/wellington

     In Auckland the tickets range from $59 – $249 (booking fees may apply).

     Same in Wellington but eventfinda link above is more specific about prices:

     VIP Meet & Greet: $249.00
     A Reserve: $129.00
     B Reserve: $109.00
     Student: $59.00
     Additional fees may apply
     • Carolyn_Nth 2.1.1

       3 August 2018 at 11:52 am

       Looking at the about section. thinkinc seems to be one woman making a business out of bringing international speakers to this part of the world.

       It has it’s value and upside – but it’s not the cutting edge of political debate.
       • Ad 2.1.1.1

         3 August 2018 at 1:16 pm

         If only someone else had got off their ass and organized something.

         So she did.
3. Carolyn_Nth 3

   3 August 2018 at 11:32 am

   Interesting concept.

   I had to click through a couple of links to find the price for the Auckland gig: $39-$127+

   So, not totally free speech.

   I have always found Cornell West to be worth reading.
   • Ad 3.1

     3 August 2018 at 11:38 am

     No freedom is cost-free.
     It’s not worth anything if it is.
     • Drowsy M. Kram 3.1.1

       3 August 2018 at 12:12 pm

       Where could one find information on approximate relative costs of various freedoms?

       Citizenship for Sale and the Neoliberal Political Economy of Belonging
       – Luca Marvelli (International Studies Quarterly, OUP, 2018-05-16)

       [Luca joined the University of Kent as a Lecturer in Politics and International Relations in September 2012 and was promoted to Senior Lecturer in 2014. Prior to this, Luca was a lecturer at the University of Surrey (2012), an ESRC Postdoctoral Fellow at the University of Sussex (2011), and held teaching positions at the University of Queensland, Australia and the University of Canterbury, New Zealand (2010).]

       “I approach neoliberalism as a process of economization, which disseminates the model of the market to all spheres of human activity, even where money is not at stake. Neoliberal economization turns states and individuals into entrepreneurial actors that attempt to maximize their value, not just in economic and financial but also in moral and emotional terms. This process, I conclude, undermines political notions of citizenship grounded in reciprocity, equality, and solidarity, not by replacing these principles with economic ones but by rewriting these principles in economic terms.”

       https://academic.oup.com/isq/advance-article/doi/10.1093/isq/sqy004/4996972
   • veutoviper 3.2

     3 August 2018 at 11:54 am

     The range you quote ($39 -#127+) is the search range. Actual ticket costs are shown as $59, $89 and VIP meet and greet (and front row?) $249. All prices incur a $5 booking fee and possible delivery fees.

     http://www1.ticketmaster.co.nz/event/240054CCEEFC1BF1?mc_cid=4adf25f732&mc_eid=%5BUNIQID%5D

     PS – Kia kaha for tonight and be careful. What PR said.
     • Paul Campbell just 3.2.1

       5 August 2018 at 12:06 am

       So about half the price of the Canadian nazis
4. Dennis Frank 4

   3 August 2018 at 1:11 pm

   From Wikipedia’s Orwell page: “A statue of George Orwell, sculpted by the British sculptor Martin Jennings, was unveiled on 7 November 2017 outside Broadcasting House, the headquarters of the BBC. The wall behind the statue is inscribed with the following phrase: “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear”. These are words from his proposed preface to Animal Farm and a rallying cry for the idea of free speech in an open society.”
   • Puckish Rogue 4.1

     3 August 2018 at 1:18 pm

     Yeah but what would Orwell know about real fascists, he didn’t even have a twitter account
     • Dennis Frank 4.1.1

       3 August 2018 at 1:56 pm

       Ha. So he was a writer who travelled to Spain & fought the fascists, unlike keyboard operators here who call people fascists even when there’s no evidence they are. Reminds me of Muldoon calling everyone who disagreed with him a communist. When you’re a hammer, everything else is a nail. Behaviourism?
       • Puckish Rogue 4.1.1.1

         3 August 2018 at 2:52 pm

         The problem, to me anyway, with labels is that over use mean the labels lessen their effectiveness, like the use of the term fascist simply because you don’t like someone elses view

         i remember when, for a time, activists used the term holocaust to describe the colonisation of NZ simply for shock value but the term lost its power
         • Stuart Munro 4.1.1.1.1

           3 August 2018 at 3:21 pm

           “The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper name.” – Kong Ja

           Not so much facists as pro-fascist activists.

           There’s a very odd equation going on with the likes of Southern:

           “You’ve been screwed by Wall street and the liberal left aren’t protecting your interests, therefore you should vote for a Cheeto-headed sock puppet for Putin who will screw you even worse.”

           We’ve got plenty of stupid in NZ already without importing more.
           • Puckish Rogue 4.1.1.1.1.1

             3 August 2018 at 3:30 pm

             Well theres this because some people like having jobs

             https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate
             • Stuart Munro …

               3 August 2018 at 6:41 pm

               Probably has as much relation to reality in the US as our own highly selective stats. My friends in the States aren’t experiencing unparalleled abundance – a couple have returned to Korea to temporarily escape the downturn.
         • Dennis Frank 4.1.1.1.2

           3 August 2018 at 3:32 pm

           Yeah, totally agree. The people who misuse adjectives in a serious context reduce discourse to drivel.

           During the depression, half a decade earlier, Orwell had described himself as a “Tory-anarchist.” Fighting the fascists for the Workers’ Party of Marxist Unification may seem to make him Marxist but Wikipedia provides no evidence that he ever actually was. That party was then “painted by the pro-Soviet Communists as a Trotskyist organisation—was outlawed and under attack.” He & his wife managed to escape them, got back to England. The Republican government didn’t give up: “on 13 July 1937 a deposition was presented to the Tribunal for Espionage & High Treason, Valencia, charging the Orwells with “rabid Trotskyism”.

           Leftists persecuting leftists instead of presenting a united front against the fascists – that would have raised his political consciousness considerably. So that’s where Animal Farm & 1984 came from. “Orwell stated in “Why I Write” (1946): “Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.” Orwell was a proponent of a federal socialist Europe…” Today, he’d be a remainer. [quotes from his Wiki]
           • Puckish Rogue 4.1.1.1.2.1

             3 August 2018 at 3:34 pm

             Certainly was an interesting guy

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