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Nat letter to Ōhāriu voters says vote for Dunne

Written By: - Date published: 6:45 am, August 7th, 2017 - 31 comments
Categories: election 2017, peter dunne - Tags: , , ,

“Prime Minister Bill English is asking National voters in Ohariu to support National with their Party vote and Peter Dunne with their Electorate vote as this year’s General Election.”

Some discussion.

31 comments on “Nat letter to Ōhāriu voters says vote for Dunne ”

  1. Nick 1

    Natz do any form of cheating to retain power.

  2. Carolyn_nth 2

    Nats and Dunne look to me to be soon relegated to the opposition benches. Didn’t Dunee say he would not go with a Lab-led government?

    He is now tied firmly to the Nat Rock…. and will slowly sink.

  3. AB 3

    So Dunne is in effect a National Party MP and if he wins should be counted as such when seats are proportionally allocated.

  4. AsleepWhileWalking 4

    Is there someone from TOP standing in Ohariu?

    • savenz 4.1

      I’d like to see Gareth Morgan stand in Epsom.

      • RedLogix 4.1.1

        Gareth explicitly ruled that out:

        While referring to his guidance of the voters of Ohariu and Epsom as “tactical voting” the reality is that Mr English’s call for voters to sacrifice their electoral vote for the greater interest of the party for whom their list vote is cast, is grubby. In essence what he’s saying is – “we think you should forgo your right to vote for the best candidate for your electorate and instead help us gain power at the national level. So could you please vote for someone whose values you may well despise, because by doing so they will get more representation at the national level, and assist us hold on to power.”

        http://www.top.org.nz/abusing_democracy

        • savenz 4.1.1.1

          Although Gareth hasn’t ruled out going with National himself and apparently they are the preferred partner, so if a genuinely centre right party wanted to go against ACT, I don’t think it’s grubby. TOP is defiantly better than ACT (and National for that matter).

          Any how will respect Gareth more if he advocates a transactional tax which may personally cost him money as a trader and also you have to wonder what the agenda is when Gareth advocates stronger tenancy rules but keeping his own rentals empty so tenants don’t dirty the carpets. Funny that, Granny was also strong on capital gains taxes last election on behalf of Labour making sure that message got out there, with the strong unexpected return of National.

          • RedLogix 4.1.1.1.1

            Although Gareth hasn’t ruled out going with National himself and apparently they are the preferred partner,

            The core position that hasn’t changed is that TOP will work with anyone. On the other hand the idea that Morgan has a preference should be read in the light of this recent blog:

            Hopefully Jacinda can follow up the euphoria of her appointment with the substance of policy reform. If she doesn’t then not only is it doubtful that winning the personality race will be enough for Labour, more substantively New Zealanders will be left without the solutions required to meet the challenges of the 21st Century. And that means inequality will keep rising; poverty, homelessness, mental illness, bullying, and youth suicide will all remain as key indicators of social failure.

            Of the two, Labour has historically been the most innovative of the major parties by far. And if ever innovation in public policy was overdue it is now. This low wage, longer hours treadmill economy is pummelling the modestly waged and with the onslaught of automation and artificial intelligence (AI) we are looking down the barrel of unprecedented labour market disruption. More casualization of work, more inadequacy of income for too many and with that all, the social dysfunction we are almost becoming desensitised to.

            As technology leaders Elon Musk of Tesla and Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook have been screaming at governments of Western economies – ‘for goodness sake get an Unconditional Basic Income in place because we are going to destroy jobs on a scale absolutely unprecedented and it is going to happen very fast’. They’re referring to a world of no truck drivers, no bus drivers, no cab drivers, no retail assistants, no couriers etc etc – as automation continues its march thanks to AI.

            http://www.top.org.nz/jacinda_might_just_be_more_than_hope

            • Draco T Bastard 4.1.1.1.1.1

              And that means inequality will keep rising; poverty, homelessness, mental illness, bullying, and youth suicide will all remain as key indicators of social failure.

              This will happen under his policies as well. As a traditionally trained economist he still vehemently believes in capitalism.

              Yes, we need innovation in policies but following a capitalist agenda isn’t going to do that. Morgan seems to have the right goals but the path he’s chosen doesn’t take us to them.

              They’re referring to a world of no truck drivers, no bus drivers, no cab drivers, no retail assistants, no couriers etc etc – as automation continues its march thanks to AI.

              Yep, they’re going to be destroying the very service jobs that make up the so-called service economy.

              • RedLogix

                Yeah fine. I’m happy for you to vote for the party that will dismantle markets and private ownership.

                Was that the Greens? I really didn’t think so because anytime anyone say’s they’ve got a secret communist agenda it gets a very vehement denial. So that rules them out.

                I’m happy for you to explore fresh thinking and new ideas, I’ve always tried to engage with you in this in good faith. But when it comes to elections I’d appreciate a bit of intellectual honesty about the actual choices we will find on the ballot papers.

                • Yes, the Greens are also a capitalist party but at least they’re starting from the position that the market doesn’t provide everything whereas TOP does:

                  TOP understands the importance of people starting businesses, or being in paid work, and we also acknowledge the contribution of unpaid work. Without it our economy would collapse.

                  I fully supportive of a UBI and am a little pissed that the Greens don’t have a fully developed UBI policy but that one thing that TOP has that I agree with isn’t enough to get me to vote for more capitalism.

                  Especially when more and more research keeps coming out showing that capitalism is the problem.

                  • RedLogix

                    The quote from TOP you linked to does not commit to capitalism and nothing else. It simply recognises that for the foreseeable future, just as the Greens do, that businesses and markets are the way we will continue to organise our economies.

                    But TOP go one major step further and recognise that people not working in the ‘paid sector’ also contribute to the overall well-being … and exactly as you say … “the market does not provide everything”.

          • Donna 4.1.1.1.2

            I agree.

  5. savenz 5

    Maybe the Greens and NZ First can actually collaborate to to the same with the Labour candidate??? It’s actually the future of our country that is at stake, so hopefully a little ‘Northland’ collaboration between the parties for the greater good.

    • RedLogix 5.1

      Again if we attack National for cheating the system like this, it would be a hypocrisy and double standard to do the same ourselves.

      Besides the electorate only approves National to cheat. Labour and the Greens must never do anything of this nature. (And no /sarc tag either.)

      • The Lone Haranguer 5.1.1

        Redlogix, I respectfully think you are wrong.

        If all parties decided to rort the electorate/List voting systems, then the voters will be disgusted and the voting systems will get changed.

        And be fair, Labour is allowed to cheat too because they have 100 years of history – both good and bad – to fall back on. Remember the electoral overspending kerfuffle in the Clark years? That didnt stop Ms Clark from carrying on as PM and didnt stop Mike Williams from getting spots on TV as an expert commentator.

        The Greens have the image (rightly or wrongly) of being some sort of conscience for the electorate, so yeah they get punished all the more when they transgress.

        And everyone loves it when the tell tale kid gets in trouble at at school.

        • RedLogix 5.1.1.1

          God do I remember the $800k overspend thing. It was rotated on slow repeat for months to ensure maximum damage. Just like the absurd signature on the painting and the high speed police cavalcade.

          All parties fuck up at some point; there is no such thing as perfect people. The asymmetry arises on how they’re treated and the disproportionate consequences.

  6. Stuart Munro 6

    This sort of thing shows a weakness of the current voting system.

    It would be trivially easy to introduce a “Not candidate X” option onto the ballot, that would wipe out truly marginally supported people without forcing voters to endorse a party they don’t support.

  7. Ad 7

    Is O’Connor working hard?

    Only way to unseat a well-entrenched MP is ground-and pound: knock on all the doors that you can find personally.
    Then do it again.

    Every handshake, every smile, matters.

    • aom 7.1

      Is O’Connor working hard?
      No! Only come across one local who has seen him – multiple times in a drinking establishment where he is pissing off the regulars with a faux ‘I’m your friend’ persona.

  8. Ethica 8

    Were they hand delivered or posted?

  9. Doug 9

    I have seen O’Connor at the Johnsonville vege market every Sunday morning for the last 4 weeks.

    Does not push himself onto anyone but willing to talk to anyone who wants to.

    • Ethica 9.1

      Yes seen him around the place a lot. He’s apparently been ringing and doorknocking in the electorate for months.

  10. Hooch 10

    The logical conclusion to this crap, and I’m surprised it hasn’t already been done, is for electorates with inevitable victories ie Clutha to have faux parties/candidates run who will back national no matter what but claim independence.

    • AB 10.1

      Yes – a situation that favours single large parties with electorate seats where they are certain to win. In theory, they could invent a new bogus micro-party in each and every one of these safe electorates and instruct their supporters to cast their electorate vote for them, e.g. in Clutha the ‘United Farmers’ party, on the North Shore an “Uninformed F*ckwits” party etc.
      A massive loophole that needs to be closed in a review of MMP.

      • DoublePlusGood 10.1.1

        I think that National will keep it at the maximum number of such manoeuvres that they think the public will accept.
        If it looks like Peter Dunne will retire, for instance, look for another start-up patsy party to get an easy run into a seat somewhere like Rodney, Clutha, Tamaki…
        I don’t think they’d ever go past about five such seats though, or it becomes too obvious to the general public.

        • aom 10.1.1.1

          It probably depends on how many agendas they have that they suspect might lose them some votes DoublePlusGood. They were hell bent on charter schools so did a deal to make it look like ACT policy. In that case, they already had Leslie Longstone in place as CEO before the policy was announced. She had already set up the UK equivalent. Prior to that, Rodney Hyde dealt to Auckland on their behalf. Peter Dunne has been the fall-guy on synthetic drugs, cannabis etc. and the Maori Party have done their bit. No doubt they will do deals with as many cling-ons as they might need to privatise the remaining energy shares, hand over State assets or further any other deals they need to look after their local and international ‘rich prick’ mates.

  11. Katy 11

    Who is the List MP writing on behalf of Bill to to electors in Ohariu, never heard of him. if this is all he gets up to he ought to be resigning. What a load of wally’s.

  12. Incognito 12

    That’s quite a piece of propaganda writing there.

    The irony seems to be lost on the writer referring to “backward-looking” that these two parties are hell-bent on preserving status quo. Two parties with leaders who came into Parliament in 1984 and 1990.

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