National has no intention of ever enforcing ETS

Written By: - Date published: 8:08 am, July 3rd, 2012 - 59 comments
Categories: climate change, ETS, farming, john key, national - Tags: , ,

As many of us expected, National has no intention of ever enforcing the ETS in the area where it makes the most difference to NZ emissions – agriculture. Key likes to spin our “all sectors all gasses” scheme when he’s posing overseas, but it’s not going to happen on his watch. “Market signals” and “market forces” are things that you use to bludgeon the poor with, they are not things that you apply to your farmer mates.

Here’s a typical piece of utterly dismal reporting on the topic:

Nats soften emissions blow for businesses

No, they abdicate their responsibility for trying to avert an environmental blow which will be catastrophic.

Wary of a backlash from farmers and households a year out from an election, the Government has moved to further soften the impact of its climate-change measures under the emissions trading scheme.

A year out from an election? Backlash from households?

Transitional measures rushed in by National after it won power in 2008 and due to be phased out next year will now be extended for another two years at least – and Prime Minister John Key has signalled that the most controversial among those measures, delaying the introduction of agriculture to the ETS, could be pushed out even further.

Farmers applauded the move and said New Zealand’s ETS remained one of the most punitive in relation to agriculture in the world, even with the delay – but the Green Party said excluding agriculture put New Zealand’s clean-green brand at risk and passed the cost of pollution on to taxpayers.

Mr Key confirmed taxpayers would have to pick up the $80 million tab as a result of the reprieve for business and farmers announced yesterday, but insisted the measures would minimise the impact of the ETS on “households, exporters and employers”.

This is obviously the new spin, but how exactly does it “minimise the impact” on households to have them pay for other people’s pollution? It’s utterly shameless. And as for the cowardly backdown on agriculture itself, how utterly lacking in leadership, how spineless, how completely and predictably National…

59 comments on “National has no intention of ever enforcing ETS”

  1. ghostwhowalksnz 1

    A zero budget , but not apparently in paying for farmers carbon outputs

  2. Interesting that a Government that has shown a total disdain for protecting existing jobs, let alone creating new jobs, is willing to sacrifice the world’s environment to allegedly save jobs.

    • higherstandard 2.1

      How is the government sacrificing the world’s environment ?

      • mickysavage 2.1.1

        Climate change is probably the biggest threat the world is facing and National does no more than pay lip service to the issue.

        • higherstandard 2.1.1.1

          Thanks for that MS, but can you answer the question posed ?

          “How is the government sacrificing the world’s environment ?”

          • mickysavage 2.1.1.1.1

            I said the Government is willing to sacrifice the world’s environment and that is by doing exactly, precisely nothing to address climate change.

            • higherstandard 2.1.1.1.1.1

              So how does the government doing nothing sacrifice the world’s environment ?

              What should the government do to save the world’s environment ?

              • Draco T Bastard

                As we’re working in a market economy the government needs to regulate to ensure that all costs are properly covered. Pollution and GHGs are a cost and thus need to be covered.

                • higherstandard

                  Unintelligible political wankspeak DTB

                  The question was for MS and it was …..

                  “How does the government doing nothing sacrifice the world’s environment ?”

                  and

                  “What should the government do to save the world’s environment ?”

                  • RedLogix

                    What I love is how righties are all for “price signals” and “market mechanisms” when it suits them….

                  • I know HS.  Your next question will be that as NZ contributes so little to the world’s GHG generation how can it matter what NZ does?

                    All that I can say is that if we do not pull our weight in what has to be a world wide effort we can have little expectation that any other nation will pull their weight. 

                    • higherstandard

                      “All that I can say is that if we do not pull our weight in what has to be a world wide effort we can have little expectation that any other nation will pull their weight.”

                      That’s fair enough, but it certainly is some way away from the government doing nothing is sacrificing the world’s environment.

                      As you know our GHG emissions profile is quite unlike most other countries with quite a skew towards methane. I would have less of a problem with an ETS hitting this area of our economy if it were a level playing field with every other nation pulling their weight.

      • No, It’s nuffin to worry about. It’s all a big have like Y2K.
        Google James Lovelock.

        • Kotahi Tane Huna 2.1.2.1

          Monique Watson I googled Lovelock, and it turns out he has not published a single paper on Climatology. Not one. You are so full of shit.

        • felix 2.1.2.2

          Y2K was a “big have”?

          Jeez Monique, Y2K was a real problem and it was solved. It didn’t affect you precisely because engineers, companies and governments all over the world cooperated to avert a potential disaster, exactly the opposite of what you’d have us do now.

          If they’d listened to people like you instead, the potential disaster would’ve been allowed to occur. Because you managed to find a mathematician who said that 2+2=5.

    • Rob 2.2

      Why do you think  adding cost and tax reduces polution?

      • millsy 2.2.1

        The less they pollute, the less they will have to pay. Simple really.

        Or are you one of those people who thinks that poisoning our air and water is OK?

        • Rob 2.2.1.1

          So they keep polluting and pay more tax, great initiative Millsy.  Net result nothing changes.

          As for your second comment ,pfffft.

          • millsy 2.2.1.1.1

            Whats your suggestion then? Let them pollute? Cool.

            • Rob 2.2.1.1.1.1

              You know Millsy , if you had left your answer to the first sentence, then I might have engaged with you, but you just decided to assume and fill in the blanks yourself.

              If you think taxing more will reduce overall net pollution then i think you are wrong.  It will probably result in even more off shoring of what is left of NZ’s manufacturing environement.  The way this stuff shifts is not announced by massive closures or huge layoffs.  It is in the continual reduction in local made parts and processes that  restructures many businesses from being fabricators, assemblers & marketers to warehouse / marketing organisations buying in locally designed but off shore manufactured goods.

              • millsy

                Good to know that businesses want to pollute then.

              • prism

                Rob
                You should consider the matter of moving on environmental change from these viewpoints-
                1 a probability of a critical and then hostile approach to NZ lack of action on pollution limitation and diminishment and
                2 country-wide amounts of pollution from transporting our exports from the end of the world to our far markets and
                3 from aware and demanding buyers of primary products overseas such as supermarkets not buying any more our 100% pure and greenwash, and
                4 from a use of economic levers whereby a mix of higher taxes and costs cause emitters to make a shift to systems that would avoid these costs, and also there is introduced tax relief on the cost of changing and the new systems required.

                You are getting mixed up with the problem of diminishing jobs and the likelihood that higher costs from pollution controls will increase this. The stick and carrot approach to taxes will help with this. But jobs will be lost and lifestyles decline more in the future if we don’t here in NZ take action that is clever and forward thinking. In the meantime jobs will continue to be lost in the short time because of the way that the free market has been allowed to lay waste to otherwise thriving economies and the recession that this sh..tty system has engineered that is a result of criminal negligence.

                Meantime the climate continues to decline – important interview on this a.m. Radionz about 8ish and also one on the result of NZ not doing anything but constantly delaying acting from this wishy-washy government.

                • Rob

                  What about this for another way and I will use tertiary ACC assesement levels for OH & S.  So we have a manufacturing plant employing 100+.  4 years ago we talked a lot about H & S , but people were still getting hurt and were unwell etc.  So we really engaged on a new way – lean maufacturing etc driving great efficiancy and healthier outcomes.  It cost usd with people, processes and technology , but it works and we are fitter and healthier as a result.  We also get audited yearly by ACC and are accredited therefore saving on ACC premiums.

                  The rational being is why are not good businesses rewarded and incentivised for change, rather than just been made to be less effective by an additional cost burden, which if they work really hard at they get to go back to where they were.

                  These people are not the enemy , believe it or not.  These organisations provides many great things for the people engaged with them. 

                  • prism

                    Rob
                    I think we agree on the idea of incentivising business to do what is right – what is needed. That’s what I was trying to suggest – giving a price signal as Tom Gould refers to, with taxes that encourage change to a better system. Plus, this would be essential, assist the business to do this with tax reductions grants etc to help finance that change which will enable the business to continue in a new advanced environmentally improved approach and continue employing NZs in NZ so everybody wins.

                    It is achievable but someone with brains that can climb out of the bunker that NZ pollies and advisors are presently skulking in is necessary.

                  • These people are not the enemy

                    Who said they were?   The problem is that to much GHG is being produced and the world needs to get serious about it.  Businesses work on market economics.  All that the ETS does is introduce a market signal.  It is amazing that businesses think that market signals do not work.  

                    Or is it only when it costs them that they do not work? 

              • Tom Gould

                Rob, you are just being silly. It’s called a price signal. Key often uses the term. Look at his tobacco tax. It goes like this, according to John. Hike the tax, hike the price, buy less smokes. Just like pollution. Hike the tax, hike the cost, pollute less. Pretty simple really and can be applied to just about any circumstance to your best advantage. Except when you can get the taxpayer to pick up the tab. Then it becomes hike the price of polluting, fewer farm profits, poorer farmers, fewer votes. It is really pretty simple, Rob. Just adjust the logic to fit, the brain dead MSM will report it as undeniable fact, and bob’s your uncle.

                • Rob

                  You know Tom, I dont think price has been the driver of people smoking less, I think the change is societal, a little like P addiction now comming down from the growth curve, as it is not acceptable now to sit in a bedroom at parties and smoke a glass pipe, it really did use to be seen as edgy and a little cool when people were not fully educated on the whole P addiction thing.

                  All I see with these continual cost increases with smokers is boiling frogs.  They sort of recognise that the heat is going up, but really do not do anything about except moan about the cost while they stand outside buildings, shivering their pointy bits off.

                  • prism

                    Every time the price of tobacco goes up the quit organisations report a rise in clients. I think this can only work for a while though. I think that the idea is to go on till the cigs are $20 a packet. Seems crazy and puritan and doesn’t bring the economic view which would bring up the use of substitution. It might be better to have some smokers doing so legally at a fairly high price than substitution by other, worse, drugs and also not have a high price floor encouraging illegal non-tax paying suppliers coming in with lower prices at street level.

                    So incentives and disincentives should think along both economic, business and human behaviour lines, with moral hazards considered (in environmental matters this could be finding cheaper ways giving the appearance of following legalities which are ineffective or just a scam for appearances). So important, is to get away from the idea of non regulation, voluntary regulation, industry-choice regulation but have legalities and controls which are discussed through nation wide meetings and then, on the bill produced, through select committees, and ensure that it includes a monitoring system that is not captured by the interests being monitored (moral hazard, human behaviour concerns again).

              • Draco T Bastard

                It will probably result in even more off shoring of what is left of NZ’s manufacturing environement.

                And we could work with that by putting tariffs in place to prevent importation of goods made in locations that don’t have either an equivalent ETS or tax.

      • prism 2.2.2

        Rob at 9.10 a.m.
        Why can’t you spell pollution? Why not answer your own question by reading information then discuss on this blog from an informed viewpoint you time waster.

        • Rob 2.2.2.1

          I dont know why I cant spell pollution Prism and I dont think that adding extra costs and tax will reduce pollution at all.

           So Prism what do you do if you are an expert on everything pollution, I am really curious?

          • prism 2.2.2.1.1

            Rob
            See mine at 10.02 a.m. I am not an expert but have tried to inform myself. Why don’t you.

      • Colonial Viper 2.2.3

        Because I believe in market and price signals. Don’t you?

      • Kotahi Tane Huna 2.2.4

        “Why do you think adding cost and tax reduces pollution?”

        Because of the improvement in air quality in the USA. Just one example.

  3. BLiP 3

    .

    Not surprised. Give John Key and his National Ltd™ business buddies a “trading scheme” . . . of course they were going to game it, that’s all they know. The cowardly backdown came from Labour when it should have imposed a Carbon Tax. And banned Genetically Engineered foodstuffs. And closed Pike River. And, and, and . . .

  4. marsman 4

    Welfare for farmers. Drug test farmers.

  5. prism 5

    John Key is so concerned about jobs!! Some long term factories closing down recently that have been adding value to our primary product – what is Jokey Hen doing about that? He could use his understanding of international trade and economics to do something to limit volatility in our exchange rate away from us buying and selling our own currency!

    But no, this guy is a talking parrot for National’s business backers. He is as real a Prime Minister as a cardboard erection of a police car or person. Time weathers the thin film with the image on it till the cracks show the base material underneath. We can see this now with King John of Charmalot.

  6. Blue 6

    The party for business and farmers decides it will tax everyone but business and farmers? I’m shocked.

    All sectors, all gases is ashpirashunal.

  7. Do you think it is a great look for Gareth Hughes to be heading off Business Class on the speakers tour, feels like “do as I say not as I do”? Squeeze into Economy Gareth; a little less Carbon is burned back there with the unwashed masses.

  8. captain hook 8

    its all just some huge nocturnal emission!

  9. Dv 9

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/7210513/America-bakes-as-records-shatter

    >>More than 2,000 temperature records have been matched or broken in the past week as a brutal heat wave baked much of the United States, and June saw more than 3,200 records topped, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) says.

    Thats good news. ONLY 2000 temperature records broken in a week.

  10. ETS is bollocks, we are gone burger regardless of what we do.

  11. MrSmith 11

    Federated Farmers chief executive Conor English, will be pleased, yes that’s Bill English’s Brother. This lot are beyond contempt.

  12. jack 12

    IF New Zealand didn’t exhist, there wouldn’t be any change to the pollution. I think the ETS is a scam to make a lot of money for certain people. Infact, Carbon trading will be worth more than trading oil. What you people don’t seem to realise is there is a receission and the average family can’t afford the increase in cost of living it will create. I am for tax credits for electric cars or creating another alternative for the combustion engine. I hear a Stan Meyers ran his car on water.. by product is water. Unfortunately, he’s dead. But instead of looking at the politics of this scam, why not create a way to convert cars on other source of energy. Too much hypocracy with the ETS. Is pollution the real cause of global warming?? There isn’t any proof of this.

    • Draco T Bastard 12.1

      What you people don’t seem to realise is there is a receission and the average family can’t afford the increase in cost of living it will create.

      You obviously don’t understand pricing signals. The whole point of increasing the cost is that the resource gets used less. One of the pricing signals is, of course, wages. If wages aren’t enough to cover expenses of the workers then it’s obvious that that workplace should disappear.

      Is pollution the real cause of global warming?? There isn’t any proof of this.

      Better than 90% probability it is and yes there is. Listen and read what the climatologists tell you and not what lord monkton and other deniers say.

    • Colonial Viper 12.2

      IF New Zealand didn’t exhist, there wouldn’t be any change to the pollution.

      So we should fully clean up our waterways instead. Because then there would be big beneficial changes in pollution for us.

      (BTW it would sort out our GHG emissions too).

    • Kotahi Tane Huna 12.3

      “Is pollution the real cause of global warming? There isn’t any proof of this.”

      Is pollution the cause of AGW? Yes. CO2 creates a dipole when it bends and stretches (like three snooker balls connected by two springs). What does a dipole do when it moves through a magnetic field?

      “There isn’t any proof of this.” Someone has been trying to confuse you, and it looks like they’ve succeeded: science deals in probabilities, not proof, which is the province of mathematics.

      I would prefer a direct tax on carbon emissions to the ETS, but it has to be acknowledged that cap-and-trade has been very successful in improving America’s air quality.

  13. muzza 13

    The game is communicating
    climate change; the rules will
    help us win it.

    –Maybe you can ask these guys to bend a few ears!

  14. Julian 14

    I am a large scale farmer who tentatively supports the ETS scheme, has its flaws. What I do support is changing the way our nations farmers feel they must farm, wasting energy in fertilizer production, transportation to far off lands etc etc is unnecessary and foolish. Tax those wasteful farmers so they are forced into alternative farming methods and markets with low energy input requirements. These wasteful farmers are destroying our beautiful country !!!

    • mike e 14.1

      couldn’t agree more Julian.I have visited many farms over the last 10 years i haven’t come across one well managed farm!
      Most 90% of these farms mainly dairy are very poorly run.
      Problems listed .
      Very poorly trained farmers especially in personnel management.
      Poorly trained staff nearly all dairy farms have not invested in staff training to cut costs.
      So the down stream effects are huge loss’s in productivity.
      Animal management is bordering on Neglect and abuse on most of these dairy farms.
      Pollution control happens occasionally.
      Farm workers are treated like Korean fishing boat slaves over worked never paid for overtime.and worked into the ground.
      Dairy farm production needs to be regulated just like the fishing industry.
      I would mean more profitability for these farms as better use of resources would occur .
      Most farms would increase their profitability by at least 50%.

  15. Blue 15

    I also think the ETS is “bollocks”. For the reason that it will not prevent 1 gram of carbon getting into our environment. If a carbon producer wishes to conitue to add produce execessive emmsiions, they can continue to do so as long as they purchase an off-setting carbon credit. At best its neutral. It will merely add costs to those that do, and these will be passed onto the consumer, many of whom will be low and middle income earners and it will impact them more harshly than anyone. Surely there are better ways to address this issue with smart environmental and industrail legislation that is not financially punitive to the consumer. Things are tough enough. There is no incentive to reduce emmission from an ETS, unless we legislate on maximum emmissions, pollutants etc that go into the environment and rigourously enforce these provisions.

    • Kotahi Tane Huna 15.1

      If what you say is true, how is it that air quality in the USA was improved by exactly the same market mechanism? Your logic may sound fine to you, the problem is it fails the reality check.

  16. spammer 16

    I thought the whole reason John Key delayed implementing the e.t.s on farmers was because they had no viable way to reduce the methane output of cattle?
    As far as i can see they still don’t. It’s all well and good saying making them pay more will reduce emissions, but how? Fertilizer/nitrogen pollution could be reduced but that has nothing to do with greenhouse gases.
    The only way i can see to reduce these emissions is less cattle which is obviously not economically viable for farmers.
    I would be happy to hear of solutions though.

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    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    6 days ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    6 days ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    7 days ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    7 days ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    1 week ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    1 week ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
    Hi there, just call me Tim.We face tough problems, and I’d like to help, because there are solutions.An Auckand District Health Board member has nominated me for as a candidate for the ADHB, because her MS-related pain and fatigue is reduced with hemp products from Rotorua.  Nothing else helped her. If I ...
    1 week ago
  • Good little vassals
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
    1 week ago
  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
    1 week ago
  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s failure
    When National was in government and fucking over the poor for the benefit of the rich, foodbanks were a growth industry. And now Labour is in charge, nothing has changed: A huge demand for emergency food parcels means the Auckland City Mission is struggling to prepare for the impending arrival ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Democracy – I Don’t Think So
    So, those who “know best” have again done their worst. While constantly claiming to be the guardians of democracy and the constitution, and respecters of the 2016 referendum result, diehard Remainers (who have never brought themselves to believe that their advice could have been rejected) have striven might and main ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago

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