National refuses to rule out coalition with Destiny
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7:31 am, June 11th, 2019 - 124 comments
Categories: Coalition NZ, national, same old national, Simon Bridges -
Tags: clash of cultures, matthew hooton
So yesterday this happened:
Destiny Church leader Brian Tamaki has laid into New Zealand’s Islamic community in an interview with Middle Eastern broadcaster Al Jazeera.
Tamaki courted controversy soon after the attacks on two Christchurch mosques where 51 people died, when he tweeted his anger at the Islamic call to prayer being broadcast during a ceremony to remember victims.
In April, Finance Minister Grant Robertson ridiculed Tamaki on Twitter, saying: “He [Tamaki] literally spends his entire time telling people (gays, Muslims et al) who they can’t be.”
In an interview with Al Jazeera’s 101 East, Tamaki doubled down on the anti-Islam rhetoric.
“You’re coming to my country, and therefore you respect the host country,” he said.
“After a term in being here, you run your life and your values and your religion like you did where you came from – that’s disingenuous to the foundations of the countries that have been built over [the] years.”
Tamaki blamed a clash of cultures for the alleged shooter’s actions.
“I think it’s naive to think different cultures could happily and harmoniously live together,” he told 101 East. “I think that’s a bit naive and almost ignorant.
He also said that white supremacists have been “hurt” and become bitter.
“Clash of cultures”, white supremacists being hurt and becoming bitter, sounds like he is after the rabid right vote which is a strange position for someone with self professed deeply held christian beliefs to take.
And attacking multiculturalism and expressing sympathy for white supremacists are not the things that you would expect a MMP savvy prospective political operator to do either.
Because based on this you would expect every main stream party to attack Tamaki’s views and rule out instantly the remote possibility of working with him.
But wait:
Even National operatives get it:
There is a National caucus meeting this morning. I understand there will be a push for Curia polling to be presented to the meeting so that MPs can assess which public poll is more accurate and how bad to the party is.
I had thought that Bridges was safe until the next election. But this sort of clunky disastrous response is going to make his caucus question the utility of this.
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- Referendums for Māori wards a racist step backwardsThe Government's imposed referendum on Māori wards is a racist step backwards for Māori representation, and disregards Te Tiriti o Waitangi. ...2 weeks ago
- Release: Job losses at Health not worth it for tax cutsNew Zealand will feel the harm of the National Government’s reckless cuts to jobs at the health ministry for generations, says Ayesha Verrall. ...2 weeks ago
- Press release: No Māori initiatives in Government’s nothing planMāori are yet to see anything from this Government except cuts, reversals and taking our people backwards, Māori Development spokesperson Willie Jackson said. ...2 weeks ago
- Thirty six point PR spinThe Government’s ‘36 point’ plan for the next three months is as pointless as it is hollow. ...3 weeks ago
- Thirty six point PR spinThe Government’s ‘36 point’ plan for the next three months is as pointless as it is hollow. ...3 weeks ago
- Thirty six point PR spinThe Government’s ‘36 point’ plan for the next three months is as pointless as it is hollow. ...3 weeks ago
- Release: Social housing off Government’s to-do listThe Coalition Government’s refusal to commit to ongoing funding for social housing is seeing the sector pull back on developments and families watch their dreams of securing a home fade away, says Labour Housing spokesperson Kieran McAnulty. ...3 weeks ago
- Release: Less money in most people’s pockets this AprilChanges to minimum wage and benefit indexation means many New Zealanders will get less this year, as the Government gives a big tax break to landlords instead. ...3 weeks ago
- $41m to support clean energy in South East Asia
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- Judicial appointments announcedAttorney-General Judith Collins today announced the appointment of Wellington Barrister David Jonathan Boldt as a Judge of the High Court, and the Honourable Justice Matthew Palmer as a Judge of the Court of Appeal. Justice Boldt graduated with an LLB from Victoria University of Wellington in 1990, and also holds ...12 hours ago
- Education Minister heads to major teaching summit in SingaporeEducation Minister Erica Stanford will lead the New Zealand delegation at the 2024 International Summit on the Teaching Profession (ISTP) held in Singapore. The delegation includes representatives from the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) Te Wehengarua and the New Zealand Educational Institute (NZEI) Te Riu Roa. The summit is co-hosted ...13 hours ago
- Value of stopbank project proven during cycloneA stopbank upgrade project in Tairawhiti partly funded by the Government has increased flood resilience for around 7000ha of residential and horticultural land so far, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones today attended a dawn service in Gisborne to mark the end of the first stage of the ...13 hours ago
- Anzac commemorations, Türkiye relationship focus of visitForeign Affairs Minister Winston Peters will represent the Government at Anzac Day commemorations on the Gallipoli Peninsula next week and engage with senior representatives of the Turkish government in Istanbul. “The Gallipoli campaign is a defining event in our history. It will be a privilege to share the occasion ...13 hours ago
- Minister to Europe for OECD meeting, Anzac DayScience, Innovation and Technology and Defence Minister Judith Collins will next week attend the OECD Science and Technology Ministerial conference in Paris and Anzac Day commemorations in Belgium. “Science, innovation and technology have a major role to play in rebuilding our economy and achieving better health, environmental and social outcomes ...16 hours ago
- Comprehensive Partnership the goal for NZ and the PhilippinesPrime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with the President of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos Jr. The Prime Minister was accompanied by MP Paulo Garcia, the first Filipino to be elected to a legislature outside the Philippines. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon and President Marcos Jr discussed opportunities to ...1 day ago
- Government commits $20m to Westport flood protectionThe Government has announced that $20 million in funding will be made available to Westport to fund much needed flood protection around the town. This measure will significantly improve the resilience of the community, says Local Government Minister Simeon Brown. “The Westport community has already been allocated almost $3 million ...1 day ago
- Taupō takes pole positionThe Government is proud to support the first ever Repco Supercars Championship event in Taupō as up to 70,000 motorsport fans attend the Taupō International Motorsport Park this weekend, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. “Anticipation for the ITM Taupō Super400 is huge, with tickets and accommodation selling out weeks ...1 day ago
- Cost of living support for low-income homeownersLocal Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced an increase to the Rates Rebate Scheme, putting money back into the pockets of low-income homeowners. “The coalition Government is committed to bringing down the cost of living for New Zealanders. That includes targeted support for those Kiwis who are doing things tough, such ...1 day ago
- Government backing mussel spat projectThe Coalition Government is investing in a project to boost survival rates of New Zealand mussels and grow the industry, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones has announced. “This project seeks to increase the resilience of our mussels and significantly boost the sector’s productivity,” Mr Jones says. “The project - ...2 days ago
- Government focused on getting people into workBenefit figures released today underscore the importance of the Government’s plan to rebuild the economy and have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker Support, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “Benefit numbers are still significantly higher than when National was last in government, when there was about 70,000 fewer ...2 days ago
- Clean energy key driver to reducing emissionsThe Government’s commitment to doubling New Zealand’s renewable energy capacity is backed by new data showing that clean energy has helped the country reach its lowest annual gross emissions since 1999, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. New Zealand’s latest Greenhouse Gas Inventory (1990-2022) published today, shows gross emissions fell ...2 days ago
- Earthquake-prone buildings review brought forwardThe Government is bringing the earthquake-prone building review forward, with work to start immediately, and extending the deadline for remediations by four years, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “Our Government is focused on rebuilding the economy. A key part of our plan is to cut red tape that ...2 days ago
- Thailand and NZ to agree to Strategic PartnershipPrime Minister Christopher Luxon and his Thai counterpart, Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, have today agreed that New Zealand and the Kingdom of Thailand will upgrade the bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership by 2026. “New Zealand and Thailand have a lot to offer each other. We have a strong mutual desire to build ...2 days ago
- Government consults on extending coastal permits for portsRMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop and Transport Minister Simeon Brown have today announced the Coalition Government’s intention to extend port coastal permits for a further 20 years, providing port operators with certainty to continue their operations. “The introduction of the Resource Management Act in 1991 required ports to obtain coastal ...2 days ago
- Inflation coming down, but more work to doToday’s announcement that inflation is down to 4 per cent is encouraging news for Kiwis, but there is more work to be done - underlining the importance of the Government’s plan to get the economy back on track, acting Finance Minister Chris Bishop says. “Inflation is now at 4 per ...3 days ago
- School attendance restored as a priority in health adviceRefreshed health guidance released today will help parents and schools make informed decisions about whether their child needs to be in school, addressing one of the key issues affecting school attendance, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. In recent years, consistently across all school terms, short-term illness or medical reasons ...3 days ago
- Unnecessary bureaucracy cut in oceans sectorOceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is streamlining high-level oceans management while maintaining a focus on supporting the sector’s role in the export-led recovery of the economy. “I am working to realise the untapped potential of our fishing and aquaculture sector. To achieve that we need to be smarter with ...3 days ago
- Patterson promoting NZ’s wool sector at International CongressAssociate Agriculture Minister Mark Patterson is speaking at the International Wool Textile Organisation Congress in Adelaide, promoting New Zealand wool, and outlining the coalition Government’s support for the revitalisation the sector. "New Zealand’s wool exports reached $400 million in the year to 30 June 2023, and the coalition Government ...4 days ago
- Removing red tape to help early learners thriveThe Government is making legislative changes to make it easier for new early learning services to be established, and for existing services to operate, Associate Education Minister David Seymour says. The changes involve repealing the network approval provisions that apply when someone wants to establish a new early learning service, ...4 days ago
- RMA changes to cut coal mining consent red tapeChanges to the Resource Management Act will align consenting for coal mining to other forms of mining to reduce barriers that are holding back economic development, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. “The inconsistent treatment of coal mining compared with other extractive activities is burdensome red tape that fails to acknowledge ...4 days ago
- McClay reaffirms strong NZ-China trade relationshipTrade, Agriculture and Forestry Minister Todd McClay has concluded productive discussions with ministerial counterparts in Beijing today, in support of the New Zealand-China trade and economic relationship. “My meeting with Commerce Minister Wang Wentao reaffirmed the complementary nature of the bilateral trade relationship, with our Free Trade Agreement at its ...4 days ago
- Prime Minister Luxon acknowledges legacy of Singapore Prime Minister LeePrime Minister Christopher Luxon today paid tribute to Singapore’s outgoing Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. Meeting in Singapore today immediately before Prime Minister Lee announced he was stepping down, Prime Minister Luxon warmly acknowledged his counterpart’s almost twenty years as leader, and the enduring legacy he has left for Singapore and South East ...4 days ago
- PMs Luxon and Lee deepen Singapore-NZ tiesPrime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. While in Singapore as part of his visit to South East Asia this week, Prime Minister Luxon also met with Singapore President Tharman Shanmugaratnam and will meet with Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon ...4 days ago
- Antarctica New Zealand Board appointmentsForeign Minister Winston Peters has made further appointments to the Board of Antarctica New Zealand as part of a continued effort to ensure the Scott Base Redevelopment project is delivered in a cost-effective and efficient manner. The Minister has appointed Neville Harris as a new member of the Board. Mr ...4 days ago
- Finance Minister travels to Washington DCFinance Minister Nicola Willis will travel to the United States on Tuesday to attend a meeting of the Five Finance Ministers group, with counterparts from Australia, the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom. “I am looking forward to meeting with our Five Finance partners on how we can work ...4 days ago
- Pet bonds a win/win for renters and landlordsThe coalition Government has today announced purrfect and pawsitive changes to the Residential Tenancies Act to give tenants with pets greater choice when looking for a rental property, says Housing Minister Chris Bishop. “Pets are important members of many Kiwi families. It’s estimated that around 64 per cent of New ...4 days ago
- Long Tunnel for SH1 Wellington being consideredState Highway 1 (SH1) through Wellington City is heavily congested at peak times and while planning continues on the duplicate Mt Victoria Tunnel and Basin Reserve project, the Government has also asked NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) to consider and provide advice on a Long Tunnel option, Transport Minister Simeon Brown ...5 days ago
- New Zealand condemns Iranian strikesPrime Minister Christopher Luxon and Foreign Minister Winston Peters have condemned Iran’s shocking and illegal strikes against Israel. “These attacks are a major challenge to peace and stability in a region already under enormous pressure," Mr Luxon says. "We are deeply concerned that miscalculation on any side could ...5 days ago
- Huge interest in Government’s infrastructure plansHundreds of people in little over a week have turned out in Northland to hear Regional Development Minister Shane Jones speak about plans for boosting the regional economy through infrastructure. About 200 people from the infrastructure and associated sectors attended an event headlined by Mr Jones in Whangarei today. Last ...1 week ago
- Health Minister thanks outgoing Health New Zealand ChairHealth Minister Dr Shane Reti has today thanked outgoing Health New Zealand – Te Whatu Ora Chair Dame Karen Poutasi for her service on the Board. “Dame Karen tendered her resignation as Chair and as a member of the Board today,” says Dr Reti. “I have asked her to ...1 week ago
- Roads of National Significance planning underwayThe NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) has signalled their proposed delivery approach for the Government’s 15 Roads of National Significance (RoNS), with the release of the State Highway Investment Proposal (SHIP) today, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “Boosting economic growth and productivity is a key part of the Government’s plan to ...1 week ago
- Navigating an unstable global environmentNew Zealand is renewing its connections with a world facing urgent challenges by pursuing an active, energetic foreign policy, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “Our country faces the most unstable global environment in decades,” Mr Peters says at the conclusion of two weeks of engagements in Egypt, Europe and the United States. “We cannot afford to sit back in splendid ...1 week ago
- NZ welcomes Australian Governor-GeneralPrime Minister Christopher Luxon has announced the Australian Governor-General, His Excellency General The Honourable David Hurley and his wife Her Excellency Mrs Linda Hurley, will make a State visit to New Zealand from Tuesday 16 April to Thursday 18 April. The visit reciprocates the State visit of former Governor-General Dame Patsy Reddy ...1 week ago
- Pseudoephedrine back on shelves for WinterAssociate Health Minister David Seymour has announced that Medsafe has approved 11 cold and flu medicines containing pseudoephedrine. Pharmaceutical suppliers have indicated they may be able to supply the first products in June. “This is much earlier than the original expectation of medicines being available by 2025. The Government recognised ...1 week ago
- NZ and the US: an ever closer partnershipNew Zealand and the United States have recommitted to their strategic partnership in Washington DC today, pledging to work ever more closely together in support of shared values and interests, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “The strategic environment that New Zealand and the United States face is considerably more ...1 week ago
- Joint US and NZ declarationApril 11, 2024 Joint Declaration by United States Secretary of State the Honorable Antony J. Blinken and New Zealand Minister of Foreign Affairs the Right Honourable Winston Peters We met today in Washington, D.C. to recommit to the historic partnership between our two countries and the principles that underpin it—rule ...1 week ago
- NZ and US to undertake further practical Pacific cooperationForeign Minister Winston Peters has announced further New Zealand cooperation with the United States in the Pacific Islands region through $16.4 million in funding for initiatives in digital connectivity and oceans and fisheries research. “New Zealand can achieve more in the Pacific if we work together more urgently and ...1 week ago
- Rousing farewell for Kiwi doctors flying out to Gaza aid flotilla
Kia Ora Gaza A passionate haka reverberated through Auckland International Airport as a medical team of three New Zealand doctors received an emotional farewell from a big crowd of supporters before flying to Turkey to join the international Freedom Flotilla to Gaza. The doctors, who left Auckland yesterday, hope to ...3 hours ago - Communities Against The Fast-track Heartened By ‘Overwhelming’ Public Response; Disgusted By ‘...
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- NZPI Submission on Fast Track Approvals BillOur response to the new legislation is informed by targeted conversations with practitioners working in the system and through an implementation lens. ...5 hours ago
- Fast Track Invite List Includes Most Destructive Industries In New ZealandThe new ‘Fast-track Approvals Bill’ would give just three Ministers the power to approve or deny development projects. They would avoid the usual checks and balances that are in place to protect rivers, land, the ocean, and communities. ...5 hours ago
- Eugene Doyle: Helen Clark on why AUKUS isn’t in New Zealand’s national interestCOMMENTARY: By Eugene Doyle Helen Clark, how I miss you. The former New Zealand Prime Minister — the safest pair of hands this country has had in living memory — gave a masterclass on the importance of maintaining an independent foreign policy when she spoke at an AUKUS symposium held ...5 hours ago
- Government releases list of organisations shoulder-tapped for fast-track consents
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- Watch: Christopher Luxon speaks to media in ManilaThe PM has defended how he's talked up NZ trade on his trip to Southeast Asia, after criticism from his own delegation. ...8 hours ago
- ‘It could be the death of the museum’: why research cuts at a South Australian institution have ...Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Elizabeth Finkel, Vice-Chancellor’s Fellow, La Trobe University Sia Duff / South Australian Museum In February, the South Australian Museum “re-imagined” itself. In the face of rising costs and inadequate government funds, CEO David Gaimster, who took the reins last June, declared ...8 hours ago
- Government signs off $41m clean energy deal with Asian Development BankThe government has committed $41 million to clean energy transition at the Asian Development Bank's Energy Transition Mechanism. ...8 hours ago
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- Luxon: Waitangi Tribunal comments from coalition parties 'ill considered'Comments from ACT and NZ First ministers about the Tribunal were "ill considered" and "that message will be underscored" to them, the PM says. ...10 hours ago
- Mental Health Foundation Facing Staff Cuts From Govt Funding SqueezeThe Mental Health Foundation provides support and resources for those facing the loss of their job, so it’s wrong in the very week the Government adds another 1000 jobs to its tally of cuts, that this is happening. ...11 hours ago
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- How the coolest little capital is shrinkingIt's not the first time a government has targeted public servants for job cuts, but this time Wellington is really feeling it. ...11 hours ago
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- Department of Conservation closing Dunedin centre, but no jobs lostVisitor habits are changing and DOC needs to adapt in a financially sustainable way, its operations director says. ...11 hours ago
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- Watch live: Christopher Luxon speaks to media in ManilaPrime Minister Christopher Luxon is speaking to reporters in Manila after pledging greater defence cooperation with the Philippines. Watch live. ...12 hours ago
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- Rugby stadiums are sold as an economic asset – but NZ needs to ask if they’re really worth itSource: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Robert Hamlin, Senior Lecturer in Marketing , University of Otago A multi-billion dollar stadium precinct has been proposed for Auckland, one of three proposals in front of Auckland Council for a new stadium in the city. The council is also considering revamping ...13 hours ago
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- NZ and Philippines pledge defence cooperation amid rising tensionsThe commitment came after a sit-down meeting between Christopher Luxon and President Ferdinand "Bongbong" Romualdez Marcos Jr overnight. ...14 hours ago
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- Fire engineering expertise may take a big hit with job cuts at MBIEThe public sector cuts are poised to take out a big chunk of expertise at the country's building regulator. ...15 hours ago
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- Rip It Up And Start Over – Fast-Track Approvals Bill Needs To Be Scrapped“It will cause significant harm to our environment and communities. It is completely at odds with New Zealanders’ relationship with nature and our need for a low-carbon, sustainable economic future." ...16 hours ago
- Maori Authority Warns Government On Fast Track LegislationThe Chair of the National Maori Authority, Matthew Tukaki, has warned a Parliamentary Select Committee that fast-tracking legislation is a perilous practice that undermines the core tenets of democracy, transparency, and accountability. ...17 hours ago
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- ‘Character’ And Its Impact On Immigration StatusThe Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment (MBIE) is sounding a warning to migrants, that running foul of the law may see them leaving the country prematurely. ...17 hours ago
- 20,000 more on jobseeker benefits than this time last yearThe government’s plan to get 50,000 people off jobseeker support by 2030 has had a rocky start, writes Catherine McGregor in this excerpt from The Bulletin, The Spinoff’s morning news round-up. To receive The Bulletin in full each weekday, sign up here. Beneficiary numbers are up – and so are ...18 hours ago
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Has labour categorically ruled out working with destiny? Can’t see any mention of that above either. All parties should declare openly who they can and can’t work with if in government.
Take some of the bullshit horse trading out of the whole process
Did you miss the two most recent polls?
so labour would only rule out working with destiny if their own polling was high enough to not need them?
thats a conditional refusal dumb dumb, not a categorical one.
But thanks for highlighting the fact labour wouldn’t rule it out if their retention of power depended on it
[lprent: I find that that putting words into someone else mouth means that the perpetrator is a serial killer. That is about as logical as your statement.
Banned for 2 months as a consequence – just in case I’m being too generous..
FFS that is an idiotic troll tactic. ]
Labour has not ruled out working with the Nazi Party either. But I am pretty confident that if asked they will confirm that this is not an option.
The Destiny church party is a long, long way from being anywhere like the Nazi party.
I am not entirely sure what the major difference between the Destiny church party and other Christian conservative political movements is other than the personalities involved.
Given National is on the right of the polituical spectrum I think it is entirely appropriate to be willing to negotiate with conservative political parties.
awesome – is their ANY potential or actual party of the right that you think the gnats should never work with?
"The Destiny church party is a long, long way from being anywhere like the Nazi party." Can't help feeling you have missed the point here Gosman. Not that I wish to put words into Mickeysavages mouth, but his remark didn't suggest to me that he was comparing like with like. I think he was just suggesting that it would be fairly safe to say that a Labour Party would would not not sign up with a Nazi party. You could say that with 99.99% certainty. As usual Simon is being coy but it would be interesting to learn what his constituency would make of an alliance with Destiny.
What Party? They, Destiny haven't registered last I heard. The Coalition? Of what? When do we get some Policy?
when your desperate you should not count out anyone and national are desperate hooray !
What it shows is HOW desperate they are.
Actually many of their utterances mean the gap between the Nazi Party and Destiny Church is small. The claim that Muslims need to abandon their religion as they are coming to a "Christian country" is not a million miles away from telling Jews to abandon Judaism. If we kept that logic whatever religious beliefs the Maori's had prior to European settlement, European settlers should have converted to as we were coming to their land.
nazi party, destiny party, and the nats have more in common than differences. on this basis, gosman is correct, the nats WILL be expected to work (crawl) with other right wing parties. along with whats left of act, it will be a fascinating case study to observe all of these similar but different right wing troglodytes getting along. anybody with a brain can see right wing parties all round the planet splintering into smaller and more single issue cults. brexit party…what a joke
The Nazi party never called on Jews to abandon Judaism. Secular or even Christianised Jews were treated as badly as the religious ones. It was an ethnic not religious persecution.
Excellent point there, Gosman. Density's demand for religious homogeneity/putiry is totes different to the nazi's fixation on "racial" (in their concept) homogeneity/purity.
One is ideological, the other is racial.
After ten years of Ayatolla Tamaki's party in government, what do you think the legal position of homosexuality will be?
Not that I agree with either but there is a big difference. It is like the Communist party in the Soviet Union persecuting counter-revolutionaries and sending people who disagreed with them to re-education camps. It is seriously bad thing to do but it is not the same as promoting racial purity and eliminating those that do not meet your racial standards.
ISTR Stalin killed more people than Hitler.
Racial, ideological, religious, sexual. Those are the details. Fripperies.
The problem is the desire for homogeneity/purity. That always raises the problem of "what do we do with the ones already here"? Be they Jewish, political opponents, or gay.
That problem only has one solution.
It is seriously bad thing to do but it is not the same as promoting racial purity and eliminating those that do not meet your racial standards.
To expand on McFlock's point immediately above (not that it needs expanding on, but my buttons have been pushed):
From the perspective of the people the Soviets were shooting into mass graves for belonging to the wrong class or whatever, the difference between that and the Nazis shooting people into mass graves for being Jewish wasn't a particularly significant one. It shouldn't be a very significant one for us either.
LOL McFlock above
DENSITY church…
not mine – an oldie but a goodie
Yep. Much like the way that the Israeli’s treat the Palestinians and Arab Israelis today.
If you want to look at the religious persecutions of Jews for religious reasons, then the most extreme example would probably be Spain at the height of the Inquisitional period..
Such a great Drag Queen name eh? Destiny Church. I see the same fashion advisers have been dressing many gNatz 'members' (Jennie the Ship, Jude, Pulla et al) for years.
They should probably spare a thought for that retiree, tragedy on the hill in the Eastern suburbs of Wellington and design him a smoking jacket in paisley- that or give him a knighthood
Such a great Drag Queen name eh? Destiny Church.
Aint that a sketch just waiting to happen. A totally conflicted religious drag queen.
Well – perhaps "Bishop" Tamaki would like to have a little chat with the Jewish community about his demands that people give up their religion and their cultures when they come to "his" country.
"But thanks for highlighting the fact labour wouldn’t rule it out if their retention of power depended on it"
What a weird thing to claim, Tuppence; who exactly, "highlighted the fact" blah, blah, blah? Is there an authoritative Labour Party spokesperson here who can make such claims?? Who were you thanking? You seems quite misguided…
2 months! For a serial killer???
Softy.
Potential SK… It is but a precautionary measure.
But if they're obnoxious enough to treat Incognito as an official Labour Party spokesperson – then who knows what they're capable of?
Pity this didn't work out like the Pied Piper of Hamelin story He attracted a following and they all went through a gap in the mountains which closed up and they Were Never Seen Again. Toot toot, toot sweet.
I don't think Labour even needs to say it would never work with Destiny, or vice versa, which is why National doesn't need to take Destiny seriously either. If Destiny ever had the balance of power, they'd just have to passively allow National to govern. They would be much less influential than Act or the Greens: more like some of the right-wing nutters in the Australian Senate.
” If Destiny ever had the balance of power, they’d just have to passively allow National to govern”
Tell that to the Bish.
<sigh, again>
Labour and National are not in the same position and unlikely to end up in the same position come the Election in 2020. To put it differently, National has no friends and needs them, badly, whilst Labour has choice(s).
It might have choices now but debatable whether that will be the case after the election
The last round of polls don't tell us much, but the trend over the past 12 months is NZ First failing to get back in and the Greens with their heads just above water.
NZ First traditionally polls better on election day and the green traditionally poll worse than opinion polls.
In the MMP era, minor parties in government rarely survive unless they win an electorate seat Think Jim Anderton, Peter Dunne, Tariana Turia, David Seymour etc.
So don't sigh to loudly because Labour's "friends" will be in a fight for survival next year as neither of them will win electorate seats.
Labour will still probably win in a head to head to race but I don't expect they will have both of their current partners in government next term.
I agree that anything is possible and nothing can or should be taken for granted not even the latest poll results. Labour’s choice also includes how it plays its card before the Election. It seems to me that the Coalition is working for all partners, by and large, and I’d like to think that they’d like to continue the partnership into a next Government. If so, they will work constructively with each other and in good faith to increase the chances of that happening. The way I see it is that they shouldn’t work to keep National out but to keep the current Coalition in. I think that’s the plan, anyway. But I could be wrong, of course.
Ask Kate B to ask the question. I am confident what result she would get.
Bush?
Katie Bradshaw
Gee so far we have had Dotcom referred to and a claim that because Labour has not ruled it out they would think of it too.
Do I sense a degree of sensitivity?
[lprent: The Dotcom comment is now in OpenMike. Either an obsessed un-fan or someone who can’t read legal decisions (and the government’s interesting legal position) . Either way it was diversionary and a false equivalence. ]
I think Simon's Destiny doesn't involve being in Government at all.
I think Simon should be called Someone; he is fading like the Cheshire Cat.
Alice in Wonderland is a rich field for analogies to politicians and their doings and not-ings.
It is also through the Cheshire Cat that we learn the essential secret of Wonderland: it's mad!
https://www.carleton.edu/departments/ENGL/Alice/FootCcat.html
"How are you getting on?" said the Cat, as soon as there was mouth enough for it to speak with….Alice put down her flamingo, and began an account of the game, feeling very glad she had someone to listen to her…"
The above, for instance. So open to interpretation!
Judith Collins as the Red Queen?
You're sparky. Have you had the Big Meeting?
Tomorrow. My daughter's arrived back home from her peregrinations around the organic farms of the South Island and we're having fun around the table, discussing ideas in a lively fashion, whist I tap away here, hence the spark.
Well I hope after the talk there is some grin left over for the meeting where you can continue to be sparky with a confident grin that will win the majority.
Have a scroll through a Kiwiblog general debate thread on any given day and you'll find there's a significant level of support for the things Tamaki is saying among National's constituency. Why would you rule out working with a party when its views are reflected among your own supporters? Sounds like they're made for each other.
"Have a scroll through a Kiwiblog general debate thread on any given day"
Or enjoy a warm cup of DrainO, a Rolfing session, bamboo slivers under your fingernails or a bowl of junket garnished with finely-cut leopard-whiskers.
I like that you think the general level of debate here is much different. It isn't. It is just that you probably agree with the general thrust of topics here.
You like that? Good. I have other similar views, such as; your view about the similarity between comments here and comments at Kiwiblog, is pish!
Plus, Tuppence the serial killer is over there now; that can't help your claimed equivalency one bit!
On the rare occasions that I have mistakenly drifted onto Kiwiblog I have been appalled at the level of pure vitriol and inane comment. Not saying that this blog is immune to that but for the most part the debate remains on topic.
yes, the hate and misogyny that is allowed to fester on right wing sites is appalling.
Gosman You obviously prefer us to Kiwiblog because you think we have more interesting discussions that you fasten on to like a leech, and even aim to fertilise so they grooooww. Good on you for finding a purpose to fill your dull life.
… you think the general level of debate here is much different. It isn't.
The difference has reduced since moderation was introduced over there, but is still substantial. I guess whether you notice that difference or not comes down to your level of tolerance for egregious racism, misogyny and general bigotry.
Yeah, it is amazing what a simple bit of moderation can do.
Because the moderation has been so poor there, the struggle to get to a real moderated system will take some time. However it will be somewhat easier because of the tighter control about logins. This also allows for more moderate moderation than my usual insult efforts (designed to discourage re-offenders from just using a new handle).
The usual issue on a social media system with a login is balancing the intent of the moderation against losing the feel of the site. It is really easy to discourage people from returning with better behaviour if their access can really be permanently barred. TDB was classic for that issue.
On the other hand, it is a hell of a lot easier to comment here because we don’t have logins or a requirement for real emails. You’re therefore less likely to have police level issues or get on the curia/national email system (we don’t insist on real emails). And you can get back any time provided that the moderators don’t get irritated by repeated behaviours.
On the other hand – acting up here typically gets a lot of stick from other commenters because we let a wide range in here without a filtering bully tick system.
‘Bullying’ tends to be restricted to moderators if they choose to exercise it, and there is always the random style with which we can (and I usually do) toss people out when they walk over the behavioural bounds. I literally toss a random number to decide just how much damage to inflict. It makes the risk taking so much more pleasant for all gamblers.
I’d like to think that the behaviour of commenters here is generally good to very good and they seem to understand the concept of self-moderation. I’d also think that commenters who are not receptive to self-moderation tend to be poor debaters. Robust debate is encouraged here but bad behaviour is not.
Edit: I had not seen Lynn’s response @ 4.1.1.4.1.
RG
Your cuisine is so cute and exotic.
I prefer to masturbate with a cheese grater.
That grates all right.
Cheesy porn just makes me laugh uncontrollably.
No matter how you slice and dice it, National's toasted.
I’d toast to that.
celebrate with a cheese roll
And a drum roll. Speaking of rolls, Simon's got one bearing down on him now…
Do I see a tricoteuse knitting in the corner of the nat caucus room?
national and destiny are made for each other like two pees in one pod aye
This is their song – National and Destiny's – lay back lovies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8O7LHpMSjI
Do you mean two peas in one pod or two pees in one pot.
But… It is their density.
Aye Back to the Future. Wouldn't it be good to go back to some tipping point in time and do something different, we would all be just a bit higher up in the evolution of human beings from then instead of descending now. Someone was writing furiously in The Press this morning about all the things we should be doing after giving up plastic bags, and one was breeding. Bugger that, I am not going quietly into the night and leaving the world to machine minds and their Robot Controllers.
I was wondering who'd pick up the reference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqKmb7SSpTE
Unless the globe is on-board, nobody has the power to control it. Just look at the debates that rage over sound facts… People wont wear inconvenient truths let alone a yoke. Power hungry muppets will get pushed back every time, but every time they cause damage.
Coporate psychology needs to be called out and taken to task. Bending human minds to consume and conform mindlessly is a crime against humanity and nature. Live in a lie, you will eventually snap.
Time for the people to wrest back control of the narrative. Daunting though that may be. It's for the good of all.
I fear that's your density. But I mean that in the old way really – they used to say I fear meaning I doubt or I wonder.
The Gnats would do better to retread the Maori party – wonder why they don't 🙂 .
I suspect that the Maori (and the party members) have long memories about being shafted by political parties.
After all you just have to look at the origins of that party.
Their social conservatism held them prisoner to National and alienated them from the Left.
+ 1 yep – wise comment
Quite – but after all they're grasping at every other straw – can't help feeling there may be some Gnat antipathy there too.
How were the Maori party shafted?
Convincingly.
Perhaps you should not look at the PR as being fact and have a look at statistics..
You should look at the Doone report from 2000 and the Borrows report this year
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/government-responds-doone-report
And
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12238664
Even with dressing up parts of the latter report with the usual bullshit that is the National parties base’s basic attitudes about crime (and barely concealed racism) , can’t conceal what the numbers show.
It doesn't matter what area of the overall picture with Maori you look at (apart from the few at the top of the Iwi corporates), the picture worsened or barely kept pace with previous stats over the years that the Maori party were in coalition with National
Ultimately that was what cost them their base of support. It isn't hard to find this out. Talk to just about any Maori voters who aren't part of iwi corporates about the fate of the Maori party.
Perhaps you’d like to find some stats that counter-act this. Although you can see why National appear to have deliberately screwed up the census several times over their reign
We all voted for labour cause we got sick of watching them ( the maori party ) licking national boots
Yep, I was a Maori Party voter/supporter until they joined National, closest I ever got to voting National, yech.
I know right. They had some great ideas that all got squashed. Shame about that.
I went to Mana and then gave Met two ticks last time. Frankly all seems a waste at the moment.
I get a little bit of hope that the bullshitters are bullshitting "solutions" to problems they denied existing five years ago.
And that real solutions are entering the political discourse, and beginning to be adopted.
And we wouldn't be in even that position now if we hadn't walked the path we've walked. Sure, there might be a better path, but nobody else seems to know how to get onto it if it's there.
you can only tread on someone for so long mr munroe
I think the Gnat logic – that you can fool most of the people some of the time – suffers from diminishing returns. The more they do it, the less it works.
Let's see if this joke causes outrage or humor, I'm not so good at reading a room I use others to gauge the acceptability of stuff that's likely a bit 'edgy'.
Hannah: Brian, does this dress make me look fat?
Brian: No, but it makes you look like a WHORE!
In equally poor taste…
Hannah: Do these Doc Martens go well with these dungarees?
Brian: Earthquake
I don't think it would be politically wise, and we should never forget about perceptions, as it would draw the ire of many women and make them feel that she needs support.
And she does look smaller and vulnerable next to Brain, who could match the Don – almost like twins who have a common parent and been separated at birth. There is a film in this – or maybe a cartoon vid. Their coming together would make a great media event wouldn't it. Now that's a bad joke.
It's a tough game playing the edge within an environment of faux outrage. While the joke is aimed at antiquated sexist views aka biblical women bashing, some would take it as sexist and be outraged as a matter of convenience – finding something more to be upset about. I'm interested if the initial reaction gets a smile or a snarl from women, but not the permanently angry ones…
I have reason to be permanently angry, but it's simply exhausting.
I like the Alien's joke too: had to think about it for a tick.
I think you two are closer to the zeitgeist of today's young.
What about – No but it makes you look like a WHORE. Drop to your knees.
I was just out (electric) whicker snickering some garden edges. Bunch of schoolkids went past. Nice garden! Next thing we're talking climate change and food miles.
Still in touch, despite the grey moving in on the chin.
– on the joke, I’d be more inclined to extend it with a biblical rant of biblical proportions 😀
I was too subtle for you eh eh?
About as subtle as a pack of leather clad homophobic men.
Destinarians?
Think Chch.
I’d have written, Earthquake!!
"Simon, I am your father".
"Judith, it is your destiny".
Sorry. Couldn't resist.
Haha! Now it's getting dark…
"There is a National caucus meeting this morning. I understand there will be a push for Curia polling to be presented to the meeting so that MPs can assess which public poll is more accurate and how bad to the party is."
Now that is more interesting than the musings about the Bishop. If I was an MP in a political party led by someone with Bridges apparent level of support, I would be demanding to see the Curia poll every week.
I wonder if Bridges being Maori and National RW being racist at base, is part of the scenario. If he fails, it doesn't bounce back on the basic National planners who can say they gave Maori a chance in an equality step, but they feel Maori are not quite up to handling the rigours of leadership for the country, and at this late stage of the three year cycle they have to build up and prepare someone pakeha and that it should be a man.
Lot of assumptions there. Do you have anyone in mind? National seem to have exactly the same problem Labour had for 9 years – up against a popular PM with no-one near capable of matching him/her. Except, perhaps, one smiling chesire cat!
Have you tried the search function on the National Party website?
Very droll
No. I'm not a National Party MP! (But I like your humour!!)
"There is a National caucus meeting this morning. I understand there will be a push"
'kay.
Heh
You mean a putsch??
labour wouldnt rule them out in the same position. no one does. key was the only person to rule someone out.
not that I wouldn't rule them out. bunch of fucking idiots.
OK, let's game it.
Labour need density to be in government, grn/nz1/lab insufficient. Do Lab go with density, and if so what do you think happens to lab support given their current support base?
Nat/dens only option for nats to govern, do they go with density and if so what would happen to their support given their current support base?
Seems to me that Lab don't need to rule out electoral suicide.
National might as well lie down with dogs…….it's already got fleas.
I don't think National will be stupid enough to get too close to Destiny. Colin Craig and Graham Capill should be sufficient warning. They need to find social conservatives where the religious element is more subdued and in the background – such as United Future. Is the bouffant exemplar of 'common sense' due for a comeback?
Other than that, I do find it interesting that National's natural partners come from the most socially regressive corners of society with a taste for hierarchy and authoritarian control. Fascism is essentially capitalism under threat – and we do know historically that capital will align itself with such regressive forces when it has to – even if it also has to hold its nose while doing so. Though I guess we are a long way from that yet.
Simon Bridges is reminding me more of Colin Craig everyday, a man with what seems like a complete lack of self awareness.
I have a feeling…
that Brian Tamaki has run out of money
might have to sell the bikes and stuff …
That's why he has changed his mind about the lesbians and gays. All of whom he despised a week or two ago.
could be true. he is running what amounts to a pyramid scheme, and apparentley his base is shrinking.
His "base" is probably converting to Islam.
Micky
HDPA (Newstalk ZB) yesterday:
But, then, UMR's Stephen Mills (Politics, Nine to Noon, RNZ) also yesterday … suggests the Nats are doing a little poorer than this in Labour's Internal polling:
and theyre still polls and face all the same problems with methodology as the public ones.
Da, Comrade, Da …
… but it's been speculated by one Master Matthew Hooton (yesterday on RNZ Nine to Noon Politics & UMR's Stephen Mills appeared to concur) that the Public Polls are cheaper & less innovative in their methodology (Media companies being skint)… with significantly more money being lavished on premium, cutting-edge methodologies in the Internals.
Mills went on to suggest the Internals use a larger sample … but I strongly doubt that. Both Colmar Brunton & Reid Research use a sample of around 1000, UMR has traditionally used 750. Have no idea about Curia, though.
I was surveyed by Curia last night. They first spoke with my husband who didn't want to do the poll, so it seemed I would do. They didn't gather any demographic details which surprized me (other than asking if I had children under 18 living at home)…………I was turned down to do another poll some months back because they asked me some demographic questions first and eliminated me, cause they had too many in the sample who were my age, gender etc.
yes, i heard Hootens rant…cutting edge, the mind boggles.
So … to head down the precarious road of informed speculation …
I'm gonna guess that, on average over the last few months,
Curia (National Internals) have been somewhere around:
Lab 46%, Nat 42%, Green+NZF 9% (Govt 55% / Oppo 43%)
And UMR (Labour Internals) something in the region of:
Lab 47%, Nat 38%, Green+NZF 12% (Govt 59% / Oppo 39%)
Speculative Internal Average:
Lab 46.5%, Nat 40%, Green+NZF 10.5 (Govt 57% / Oppo 41%)
And now the Average of the two newly-released Public Polls:
Lab 46.4%, Nat 40.7%, Green+NZF 10% (Govt 56.4% / Oppo 41.6%)
informed speculation ?
Seems like a plan
A man, a plan, a canal, Panama
ah ha
😎 😎 😎