National’s election review leaked

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1. Sanctuary 1

   29 April 2021 at 8:15 am

   I suspect that Collins is presiding over a shambles. She seems just a bit dumb and lazy – she is constantly being caught out for her lazy sloganeering by the most basic fact checking.

   She can't control her byzantine caucus who seem spend most of their time in church hatching half-formed plots to oust her. She seems not to take advice but to simply trust her own judgement, and is convinced that NZ is just like her and she looking for a new Orewa moment that will save her own skin and give her party some relevance.

   Problem is the country has moved on, and behaving like some slightly dim, pearl clutching Hyacinth Bucket complete with blue rinse racism and massive insecurities is just not going to cut the mustard.
2. roy cartland 2

   29 April 2021 at 8:24 am

   I just can't tell what they're for any more. Why have a National Party at all?

   Shouldn't they have ideals and policies sussed THEN form a party around those; rather than try to shoehorn what they think people want (and what they think they can get away with) around a blue flag?
   • Sabine 2.1

     29 April 2021 at 8:42 am

     The same thing could have been said about Labour after the Cunliffe election debacle which would have turned into a Andrew Little election debacle had he not made space (willingly as he claims) for Jacinda Ardern . And look where the Labour Party is today.

     This country needs a few decent parties, sadly it seems 'decent' is not a qualification anymore. Anyhow my suggestion to National would be to find few more people that look young, polished have a nice diploma or five in communications to make even Judith Collins, and the good Christian something something Lux( i can’t remember his name) look good and appear humane. In due time National will find this person, offer tax cuts and the likes, and people will vote for them again. Cause substance is for suckers, really what the country wants is someone nice, palatable and well spoken. Once that requirement is fullfilled, they can win and then do pretty much what ever. s/
     • Hanswurst 2.1.1

       29 April 2021 at 3:56 pm

       really what the country wants is someone nice, palatable and well spoken.

       That certainly doesn't apply to either Key or Ardern. Funnily enough, it does apply to Brash and Collins, as well as David Cunliffe, if to a lesser extent.
       • Louis 2.1.1.1

         29 April 2021 at 7:57 pm

         Umm just to clarify, do you think Brash and Collins are "nice, palatable and well spoken"
         • Anne 2.1.1.1.1

           29 April 2021 at 10:38 pm

           I think Hanswurst is referring to the bolded… well spoken.

           elocution

           /ˌɛləˈkjuːʃ(ə)n/

           noun

           1. the skill of clear and expressive speech, especially of distinct pronunciation and articulation

           Judith Collins in particular is clear and her pronunciation is excellent. I think she's had elocution lessons sometime in the past.
     • gypsy 2.1.2

       29 April 2021 at 4:55 pm

       Good points. In late July 2017, Labour were polling at around 24%. Jacinda Ardern was appointed leader on 1 August, and by late August Labour were polling ahead of National. The policies, party personnel and shadow cabinet were virtually unchanged. This is not a criticism of Labour, it is an indication of how fickle and personality obsessed NZ voters are. So yes, you are correct. If National find the right personality to lead, the current state of the party will mean nothing.
       • Sabine 2.1.2.1

         29 April 2021 at 7:16 pm

         Without her and Winston Peters, Labour would have lost to whom ever was running at the time for National. It seems that Labour people like to forget that bit.

         And next time around come election day it might actually be Labour that has run our of mates to form a coalition with.
         • Louis 2.1.2.1.1

           29 April 2021 at 7:55 pm

           No one has forgotten MMP, thats how Labour took the 2017 election. Can your reckonings be applied to the National party as well? Like if John key hadnt been leader, National would have lost and you never know, Labour might win another majority at the next election.
3. Tricledrown 3

   29 April 2021 at 9:42 am

   Collins is playing the Trump cards again pretending Maori get equal opportunities when all the indicators show otherwise keeping Maori poorer sicker less well educated is what Nationals policies have caused.

   NZ would have the highest standards of living in the world if we all helped Maori out of poverty !

   National throw Maori a few trinkets along with mountains of demonising .

   Labour do only slightly better just doing enough well meaning but never enough.
4. Patricia Bremner 4

   29 April 2021 at 9:46 am

   The world has not beaten this pandemic. It is alarming how the pattern of one million in the influenza epidemic turned to fifty million in the second year. We are seeing patterns emerge that could lead to a similar situation. In the middle of that, the opposition expect NZ to be rivetted by their internal machinations, and to consider their "positions" relevant

   Leaders lead, encourage others to grow while communicating common goals. There is none of that in National. They are still navel gazing and jockeying for position. As they have left the worst offenders and type cast members in place. Change? No nay never.

   Tatau tatau escapes them.
5. Brigid 5

   29 April 2021 at 11:36 am

   I'm not racist.

   Some of my best friends are Dr Shane Retis
   • gsays 5.1

     29 April 2021 at 7:33 pm

     That makes the sinister side of me chuckle.
   • Red Blooded One 5.2

     30 April 2021 at 9:14 am

     Talofa to that.
6. Stuart Munro 6

   29 April 2021 at 12:03 pm

   I suspect that these issues are epiphenomenal on National's core failing – they don't know why they ought to govern, only that they expect to.

   There are a number of lines they could have taken on the Maori Health Authority, and probably the safest would have been an endpoint – that it exists to correct health disparities and should expect to merge with the main health service when those targets are reached.

   Such considerations go right over their heads.
   • Tricledrown 6.1

     30 April 2021 at 6:22 pm

     National know only to well why they want to govern to keep the poor poor and the rich richer.
     • Stuart Munro 6.1.1

       30 April 2021 at 7:12 pm

       They need at least a plausible pretense of public interest – naked greed won't get you enough punters in the cheap seats. Plutocrats did pretty well for centuries with the noble lie – but I guess it's pushing shit uphill to call a kakistocracy an aristocracy.
7. PapaMike 7

   30 April 2021 at 8:36 am

   First Mistake

   Tova O'Brian was not leaked – she is still full of her own importance

   Copies of the report were were widely sent widely to members of the National Party simultaneously – so the comments re her having a leaked copy are bullshit as expected.
   • Enough is Enough 7.1

     30 April 2021 at 1:48 pm

     Tova is a sensationalist.

     She tried to make this a story about leaking, rather than just reporting what is in the receommdations.

     It is pretty hard to leak a document which in essence in the public domaine.
     • greywarshark 7.1.1

       30 April 2021 at 9:15 pm

       Yes that is Wikileaks' argument.

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