National’s law ruled a violation of human rights

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1. joe90 1

   25 July 2015 at 8:15 am

   The late Martyn Finlay QC will be chuffed.
2. Lanthanide 2

   25 July 2015 at 8:43 am

   Labour shouldn’t repeal this law specifically, but should amend the bill of rights act to give the courts the power to strike out a law, with 90 days notice to the government for them to implement an alternative, repeal it themselves or fix the broken parts.
3. Save NZ 3

   25 July 2015 at 8:59 am

   This is a further example of the dangers of the TPPA. Although the judge is finding this arbitrary undemocratic law is a violation of human rights – they have no power to repeal it.

   Putting human rights and ethics in the hands of the courts will not help if fundamentally the law has been changed so that the courts can not or will not provide justice.
   • Mike S 3.1

     25 July 2015 at 5:58 pm

     It’s not that they will not it’s that they cannot.

     NZ is unique amongst developed western democracies in that in NZ parliament is sovereign and the courts are subservient to parliament. So judges must abide by the statutes set by parliament even if they know they are wrong.

     There are many examples of statutes enacted which are declared inconsistent with the Bill of Rights Act by whoever is the Attorney General at the time, but government still enacts them anyway. Unfortunately our MP’s reign supreme and what they say goes.

     Since 1990, fifty nine section 7 reports have been filed. As far as I’m aware, the government tends to ignore the advice and move ahead with enacting the legislation.
4. Rosemary McDonald 4

   25 July 2015 at 9:12 am

   Actually….Prof. Geddis has written at length about another case in which a specific group went to the Human Rights Review Tribunal claiming discrimination under NZBORA.

   They were represented by the OHRP…and won.
   The Government took it to the High Court….and lost.
   The Government took it to the Appeal Court….and lost.

   The Government then chose NOT to take the matter to the Supreme Court, instead after some discussion and ‘consultation’, passed legislation that effectively told the the Courts….butt the hell out of our business.

   The legislation made what three legal venues had found a breach of the NZ Bill of Rights Act …legal.

   And in a particularly nasty twist, enacted legislation which removed the right of this group to EVER have the matter examined by the Courts again.

   BUT…another case went through the Courts (because it had stated before the shit legislation had been passed (under urgency, no select committee).

   That case WON in the High Court.
   So, of course, the Government Appealed…and LOST.

   The Appeal Court telling the Government…

   “Parliament introduced [the New Zealand Public Health and Disability Amendment Bill (No 2)] under urgency without prior notice only one month before Mrs Spencer’s judicial review proceeding was heard in the High Court. It contained a number of features that are traditionally regarded as being contrary to sound constitutional law and convention – on the Ministry’s interpretation it has retrospective effect, authorises discriminatory policies, withdraws rights of judicial review and access to the Tribunal and did not go through the normal Parliamentary Select Committee and other processes. While … the courts must respect and apply [the New Zealand Public Health and Disability Amendment Act (No 2) 2013], like any other legislation, … if the words have not achieved the result which its promoters intended the courts should not seek to fill the gaps as a means of dealing with inadequate drafting.”

   http://pundit.co.nz/content/i-think-national-just-broke-our-constitution
   http://pundit.co.nz/content/theres-none-so-deaf-as-they-that-will-not-hear

   “So we will keep a law on our books which has been found to breach human rights.”

   Yes, but please, it is not quite the ‘first time’ the Courts have told the Government they have passed BAD legislation.
   • r0b 4.1

     25 July 2015 at 6:00 pm

     Interesting, thanks. I was going off the Herald piece quoted “It is the first time the court has issued a declaration of inconsistency in relation to the Bill of Rights Act”.
     • Rosemary McDonald 4.1.1

       25 July 2015 at 9:10 pm

       “I was going off the Herald …”

       Hah! I went off the Herald a long time ago.

       Disability issues tend to fall below the radar. I have said before (with boring monotony!) this wee David and Goliath battle, with potential constitutional ramifications (as Mr. Geddis implied) has shown just how nasty and vindictive this government can be when their authority is challenged in the Courts.

       As one of the players said during the Spencer hearing…the Part 4A amendment to the PHDAct was the “government wresting control back from the Courts.”

       And one Crown Lawyer was heard to say to the Appeal Court… ” I won’t bore you with BORA.” Big laughs all round.
       • Flashing Light 4.1.1.1

         27 July 2015 at 7:38 am

         Yes, but please, it is not quite the ‘first time’ the Courts have told the Government they have passed BAD legislation

         It is the first time a NZ Court has issued a formal declaration that legislation breaches the NZBORA. That’s a step up from obiter (or aside) comments in the course of a judgment that Parliament has acted badly – as were made in the Spencer decision. So while it is true that NZ Courts have in the past whispered to Parliament that it’s done wrong, in Taylor the High Court has shouted.
5. Heather Grimwood 5

   25 July 2015 at 10:22 am

   Before 2014 election while with the ‘Big Red Bus’, stopped for refreshments, and met a group of young gents who weren’t sure if they were enrolled. While I was checking, one called that they were not allowed to vote, and I realised they were from a prison van/work party. Faces fell. They asked if they could add signatures to sides of our bus.
   I felt like weeping. These were but kids and such an unjust, unnecessary rule is surely most unhelpful to rehabilitation.
   Incidentally, I hadn’t realised the law had been changed, but it proved to be so….remiss on my part but possibly there had not been great fanfare.
6. AmaKiwi 6

   25 July 2015 at 10:31 am

   Why is it acceptable for the NZ dictators of the day to breach human rights but the courts will not / cannot overturn their dictatorial actions?

   Why is it tolerable that the NZ dictators of the day repeatedly spit in the face of the people’s will as expressed in referendums?

   Is NZ’s “elected dictatorship” a legitimate form of government we should embrace or should we throw it out and replace it with a purer form of democracy?
7. Ad 7

   25 July 2015 at 10:44 am

   Very proud of our judges today.

   A great opportunity for Labour to come out and state that they will enable prisoners to vote. There’s tens of thousands of them.

   I don’t think its possible under MMP for any future government to entrench BORA to a 2/3 majority.

   But there is plenty that a good progressive government can do to turn away the most venal and cruel of our punishment-loving society that seeks to strip people of far more of their rights than is needed.

   Labour, let them vote.
   • AmaKiwi 7.1

     25 July 2015 at 11:18 am

     @ Ad

     So our “punishment-loving society” is to blame, not a system of government in which PMs are effectively elected dictators?

     Do you recall a groundswell of public opinion (i.e. “society”) saying prisoners should not vote? I don’t. It came from the top, not from the people.

     Power corrupts. It corrupts the dictators of the Left as well as the Right.
   • Rosemary McDonald 7.2

     25 July 2015 at 11:22 am

     Prior to the last election, there was a great opportunity for Labour and the Greens to state in their manifesto that if elected they would repeal the Part4A amendment to the Public Health and Disability Act that legalised proven discrimination against people with disabilities and their families AND removed our right to ever take this issue back for judicial review in ANY venue.

     Despite my pathetic emails to both parties on this issue, asking them to make this one of their bottom line policies….neither of them chose to do that. (or enter into any discussion about it)

     There are hundreds of thousands of disabled people in NZ….all of them potential voters. Despite both parties on that dreadful day (17th May 2013) ranting and posturing in the House about this shitty piece of legislation…neither of them were prepared to make it an election issue.

     I did not vote for them.
8. Tigger 8

   25 July 2015 at 10:55 am

   Keep it up Judith. You’ll never be the elected PM of NZ and that’s killing you.
9. Smilin 9

   25 July 2015 at 8:38 pm

   This is the problem with law making by any govt, political bias ruling over the power of the judiciary to make a more democratic consensus
   on the validity of any proposed law change by the govt
10. Coaster 10

    26 July 2015 at 7:50 am

    It would not surprise me to see more legislation excluding other groups from the right to vote.

    beneficiarys.
    those of lower than a certain iq threshold
    those on low income
    those with terminal illnesses (they could justify that by saying the wont be around to see any changes implemented.
    and numerous more.

    I was shocked when this law was passed its very similar to the refusal to allow cantabrians to vote in a new regional council.

    The average jo bloggs doesnt get that attacks on our democracy are very very dangerous and set very bad precedence.

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