National’s lightweight conference

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1. Draco T Bastard 1

   27 July 2015 at 6:59 am

   So, nothing here to dispel the perception of a government that is out of ideas and deep in third-term arrogance.

   They have ideas – they just don’t work and now that that failure is showing through they have to cover it up hence the stage management reminiscent of of Kim Il-sung.
   • Chooky 1.1

     27 July 2015 at 9:00 am

     +100 DTB..they are on the way out and good riddance
2. Matthew Hooton 2

   27 July 2015 at 7:47 am

   Labour conferences tend to be much more interesting.
   • dv 2.1

     27 July 2015 at 8:33 am

     Oh you mean Labour have debate and not infotainment.
   • Galeandra 2.2

     27 July 2015 at 8:43 am

     Matthew kicks butt….in a Cleesian way.
     • DoublePlusGood 2.2.1

       27 July 2015 at 11:01 am

       So he attempts to silly walk, but ends up with his foot in his butt?
   • tc 2.3

     27 July 2015 at 9:57 am

     They are when folks like Gower do their predictable hatchet jobs rather than observe what’s actually going on matty.
   • Michael 2.4

     27 July 2015 at 2:31 pm

     Have you attended one recently? They are stage-managed in similar Stalinist fashion to the Nats’ rallies, but the Labour bosses aren’t quite as competent, so they don’t bring it off as smoothly. That seems to sum up the difference between the Coke and the Pepsi parties.
     • Anne 2.4.1

       27 July 2015 at 3:37 pm

       That is wrong Micheal. I’ve been to quite a few of the conferences in recent years and while there is some stage managing (as in the leader and deputy leader speeches) and a bit of hoop-la to go with them, the conferences are pretty much run by the delegates. Workshops take up a large part of conference and it’s where the delegates have their say and believe you me they do. The media are not allowed in to those sessions so there are no holds barred.

       Unfortunately there has to be some control over the rest of conference because we only have to recall the Clayton’s coup in… 2012 was it? The media turned what was a run of the mill conference into a bizarre circus. I still shake my head in amazement at their antics like… huddled round the men’s toilet door waiting to pounce on any stray MP who happened to emerge. While the media choose to play this kind of puerile game then the hierarchy have no choice but to keep a lid on things.

       So, don’t blame Labour. Blame the right wing media who are obsessed with negatively slanting Labour’s every mortal word or action. Look at the multiple balls-ups committed by National that the media either pretend never happened or they flag them away with trumped up excuses.
   • Morrissey 2.5

     27 July 2015 at 2:52 pm

     Speaking of Labour, Matthew: you must be glad to have such a supportive understudy every week on National Radio. I used to feel quite sorry for you a few years ago, when you were regularly humiliated by Laila Harré.
3. Smilin 3

   27 July 2015 at 10:06 am

   This what you get with a govt that sees everything in terms of the almighty dollar
   The erosion of human rights, there’s no profit in protecting that, one person dies there’s someone to take their place, inhuman 19th century thinking, thats the politics that comes with our new China currency, their record on human rights, money does have morality in its value or it has no value, not worth the paper its printed on if it causes the type of actions this govt is involved in
   Capitalism, DEATH equals costs reduced on the books when you take away all the socialist provisions in the workplace fought hard for by the Unions
   • Chooky 3.1

     27 July 2015 at 10:58 am

     +100 Smilin
4. ianmac 4

   27 July 2015 at 10:14 am

   Over many of the issues from Dirty Tricks to Dirty Cows, I am sure that the National Party do have members and MPs who are decent people. Therefore they must be deeply uneasy as they toss and turn each night, as they struggle with doubt and unease over the ethics of their leadership.
   • Anne 4.1

     27 July 2015 at 10:25 am

     Doubt there’s many ianmac. So easy to immerse one’s unease in the overarching ideology of neo liberal and market place politics for the overall good of the country people who count… which happens to be them.
   • RedLogix 4.2

     27 July 2015 at 10:26 am

     She left.
     • Anne 4.2.1

       27 July 2015 at 10:33 am

       Have a brother who knew her- held her in high regard.
5. Ad 5

   27 July 2015 at 10:22 am

   The real National Party conference is taking place at the Fonterra Shareholder Directors conference.

   If either Chair John Wilson or the other two seeking re-election get rolled, CE Thiering will be next, and farmers will by extension tell the Nats about their economic handling. Head on block time Key.

   How the fuck National could mismanage economic conditions that good for 6 years and still send us down the plughole beggars belief.
   • Skinny 5.1

     27 July 2015 at 12:16 pm

     The Nats popularity would totally collapse if Key ever got rolled. Labour still haven’t bothered to rebuild properly. Until they do their pretty much stuffed. The public have swallowed the angry Andy narrative, he is now being made to look to be on borrowed time.

     My advice to Little is relax, smile and point and wave.
     • Michael 5.1.1

       27 July 2015 at 2:35 pm

       Agreed. Labour remains unfit for office. Its caucus members appear completely uninterested in anything but the status quo. Meanwhile, the global environment (economic, political, and “environmental”) changes around NZ, rapidly. No one in our political elite wants to step up to the challenges.
     • David H 5.1.2

       27 July 2015 at 5:23 pm

       Yep the Angry bit is useful. But steal a page from Key, and Smile and wave.
6. Enough is Enough 6

   27 July 2015 at 11:55 am

   Rob

   Do not dismiss the National machine so lightly, otherwise it will be the arrogance of the left that proves to be our undoing.

   Noone should be mistaken that this a very very slick political machine and we are going to have a hell of a job removing them from office.
   • tc 6.1

     27 July 2015 at 3:23 pm

     Especially with the MSM effectively being an extension of the NACT spin machine.
7. Observer (Tokoroa) 7

   27 July 2015 at 12:57 pm

   To: Skinny

   Yes, Andrew Little does need to “…relax, smile and point and wave.” You are so right.

   By now he should be pushing Labour percentages up.

   It is very important, as The Greens are likely to team up with National – (both this greens leader, and the previous one wanted to get with National).

   Also, Winston Peters who has superb skills, may not wish to mix in with an unhappy Labour team. His success in Northland that astonished Key and English, demonstrates just how good he is. No need for him to be dragged down by a down at mouth Labour Party, that dropped a man as good as David Cunliffe.
   • Dialey 7.1

     27 July 2015 at 7:18 pm

     Sorry, Observer, but your observations about the Greens are totally off. Neither the current leader nor the previous wanted to get with National, if for no other reason, the party wouldn’t countenance it. Secondly Green policy is decided by party members, grass roots up, not leadership down.
   • Matthew Whitehead 7.2

     28 July 2015 at 12:02 am

     LOL the Greens have repeatedly resolved in AGM on coalition discussions that they are unwilling to support a National government. They have only resolved to work with them on policy- and the Greens’ philosophy is so pragmatic that they vote with Act from time to time on bills that genuinely deserve support. Any coalition with National has to be supported by the Green delegates at the AGM, and therefore by the party members each delegate represents, as those members instruct them how to vote.

     Coalition with National won’t happen unless they start caring about the environment and propose policies better than Labour’s, which is even less likely than the Greens’ members voting to support them into government.

     The leaders really just get a larger platform to share their views on what we should do in regards to coalition arrangements, and afterwards they sell the members’ vision, not the other way around. It works in a similar way on policy as well.

     If Winston would support Jim Bolger he might throw his votes ANYWHERE. My general rule about Winston is “never assume you know what he’ll do”, and it’s served me well. The guy blows around like a kite, the only thing you can expect of him is to be tough on immigration.

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