National’s policies don’t add up

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1. Ad 1

   31 May 2022 at 10:03 am

   Great post.
2. Ad 2

   31 May 2022 at 10:14 am

   Just in Infrastrucure we have a $220b deficit and need to spend $31b per year to catch up.

   That's from the Infrastrucure Commission report.

   We are in massive built need deficit. We must cut nothing.

   Only under Labour are we even starting to address this seriously.
   • mike 2.1

     8 June 2022 at 6:21 pm

     alas they will do what the key government did head in the sand and ignore every problem
3. Sacha 3

   31 May 2022 at 10:18 am

   you get the feeling that they have pushed the rhetoric without having any idea of how to actually achieve what they are promising

   They know exactly what they are planning, and staying quiet is a big part of getting it.
   • roblogic 3.1

     31 May 2022 at 10:33 am

     The quiet parts are probably

     • increase GST
     • sell assets
     • cut benefits
     • cut Kiwisaver
     • sell state houses
     • increase petrol taxes

     They will do stuff that hurts the working class and empowers greater corporate theft of the commons
     • Pataua4life 3.1.1

       31 May 2022 at 10:36 am

       Got another cut to add to your list.

       • Cut funding to Nanaia Mahuta family
       • Ad 3.1.1.1

         31 May 2022 at 10:41 am

         Conflicts register shows nothing inappropriate.

         Top work for a lazy slur though.
         • Pataua4life 3.1.1.1.1

           31 May 2022 at 10:57 am

           If it looks like a duck walks like a duck and quacks like a duck chances are it looks like corruption.
           • SPC 3.1.1.1.1.1

             31 May 2022 at 1:27 pm

             “Fact free social media narrative – fast food mind feed”

             Q 4 8 16 32 64 infinite chin dribble b******* Rabbit.
           • Incognito 3.1.1.1.1.2

             31 May 2022 at 1:44 pm

             Bold accusations require bold evidence, so put up or shut up.

             And FFS, use the correct term or the TS grammar police will put you on the naughty step.
           • gypsy 3.1.1.1.1.3

             31 May 2022 at 3:59 pm

             if you're referring to the 'all in the family' material, I think the word you're looking for is nepotism (the practice among those with power or influence of favouring relatives or friends, especially by giving them jobs), not corruption (dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery).

             Mind you, Mahuta has other problems, including "volleys of criticism from New Zealand’s former foreign ministers and diplomats over her perceived inaction" in the Pacific.

             The PM has a problem with Mahuta. It will be interesting to see how she resolves it.
             • Ross …

               31 May 2022 at 5:08 pm

               We define corruption as the abuse of entrusted power for private gain.

               Corruption erodes trust, weakens democracy, hampers economic development and further exacerbates inequality, poverty, social division and the environmental crisis.
               [and includes]
               politicians misusing public money or granting public jobs or contracts to their sponsors, friends and families,

               Corruption may be criminal but it doesn’t have to be.

               https://www.transparency.org/en/what-is-corruption
               • Incognito …

                 31 May 2022 at 5:27 pm

                 What’s your point?
               • gypsy …

                 31 May 2022 at 10:29 pm

                 I don't actually want to get in to that. However I will point you to this excellent piece by Chris Trotter.
           • Peter 3.1.1.1.1.4

             2 June 2022 at 8:01 am

             If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck? Of course it could be a sign a trip to SpecSavers and some place to get a recalibraintion is called for.
     • AB 3.1.2

       31 May 2022 at 1:40 pm

       Some of those certainly. The mistake is in thinking it is meant to add up. It's not. If it blows out the deficit, that's great, you can then point at the deficit in alarm and say "this can't go on, we'll have to sell assets etc." That's the standard right wing playbook, complain about deficits when in opposition, then in government increase them via tax cuts to the rich – and so justify asset sales and austerity for the lower orders.
     • Mike the Lefty 3.1.3

       31 May 2022 at 4:03 pm

       Plus scrapping public transport subsidies, scrapping Auckland light rail and selling off KiwiRail (again).
4. Bearded Git 4

   31 May 2022 at 10:46 am

   The Nats will sell off state houses while claiming to be building more-that is what Bill English did. They will also stop Labours plans to build more where that is possible.

   That will be a regressive couple of billion a year.
5. Incognito 5

   31 May 2022 at 12:02 pm

   Micky, I think Clint and you’re being a tad unfair to National. They’ve already signalled they would set up the Razor Squad headed by Bill English and Nicola Willis (in that order) and take Death's Scythe to spending in all government departments and throw all regulations on a huge bonfire – away with the red tape, viva the bluetag! What’s left over will be amalgamated in one giant Super-Ministry called Steve’s Spreadsheet, or SS for short, headed by The Hologram from Epsom.

   BTW, it is Luxon, not Luxton 😊
   • lprent 5.1

     31 May 2022 at 12:34 pm

     🙂 corrected it for him.
   • SPC 5.2

     31 May 2022 at 1:22 pm

     John has raptured, Christopher is Upper Room.
   • Craig H 5.3

     31 May 2022 at 1:35 pm

     Nothing like a good razor gang to gut a department…
   • Chris 5.4

     1 June 2022 at 11:47 am

     luxton, keys and hoskings…none of them deserve to have their names spelled correctly.
     • Incognito 5.4.1

       1 June 2022 at 12:03 pm

       It’s not a matter of deserving (and respect, I guess), it’s to avoid confusion with others with highly similar names and it’s an exercise in constructing rational arguments instead of relying on sneering nicknames by way of marginalising insults – this is DP stuff. I personally find it extremely tempting to go for the lowbrow language in my comments, especially after a few drinks, which is why I never drink & comment (let alone moderate) online – don’t use e-mail either.
6. Gypsy 6

   31 May 2022 at 1:24 pm

   Between Clint’s tweets and Labour’s attack ads https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/05/christopher-luxon-denies-using-cost-of-living-as-political-tool-as-labour-unleashes-attack-ads.html, the internal polls must be awful.
   • SPC 6.1

     31 May 2022 at 1:38 pm

     Former National leader Sir John Key told AM the attack ads show the Government is worried.

     "Chris is really right – the cost of living is the biggest issue that Kiwis face and the Government has completely failed on that front," he said.

     Both the current sound-bite, and the former leader John we should chaperone China into a partnership role in the Pacific Key, seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the global economic situation (and in Key's case the geo-political one as well) – the UN and World Bank have issued warnings.

     This is just lazy from both of them – presuming the average New Zealander is ignorant of the global inflation issue. It presumably is a manifestation of their obvious contempt for local media, or their trust in hit and run diversion units Herald/ Taxpayer Union/The Platform etc.
     • gypsy 6.1.1

       31 May 2022 at 2:15 pm

       They aren't ignorant or lazy. They are politicians. My cynicism runs deep with them all.
7. MickeyBoyle 7

   31 May 2022 at 2:18 pm

   Read the replies to Clints tweets. Many prove Clints figures wrong and show that projects like canning Lightrail gives National more than enough cash to pay for their current promises.

   If you want to win next year's election, don't be listening to Clint Smith. The guy is extremely toxic online and will be turning away many potential voters.
   • Incognito 7.1

     31 May 2022 at 2:28 pm

     You’ve missed the point made by Clint and Micky by lightyears (a measure of distance, not of time).

     Let’s see if you can work it out by yourself without help of a teacher.
     • MickeyBoyle 7.1.1

       31 May 2022 at 3:07 pm

       I haven't missed any point. I gave my views on why I don't believe Clint Smith should be listened to and noted that many of his assertions around Nationals figures are frankly bullshit when scrutinized.

       But in any case, I couldn't care less what a moronic twat like you thinks.

       So do one.
       • Incognito 7.1.1.1

         31 May 2022 at 9:50 pm

         What I think of the price of fish is irrelevant.

         What you think is irrelevant – the premise is demonstrably weak, anyway.

         What you argue here matters, however.

         It is not Clint’s job to provide an alternative Budget that has been carefully costed & checked, preferably by an independent trustworthy third-party, so that it can be scrutinised by the public (voters), the media, and experts.

         Clint’s figures were guesstimates or hypotheticals to show the huge information vacuum created by National and National abstaining from its duty as major opposition party, which is just shambolic.

         National has form in showing enormous flaws in its budgets and financial calculations done in simple spreadsheets (or on napkins?). So, we all have a right to see the numbers before they put it to us in a vote in the General Election, not just vague promises and empty slogans.

         That was the point, which you kept missing and missing, over and over again.

         Feel free to link to National’s alternative Budget. I bet you cannot do so and that was the whole point
         • Ross 7.1.1.1.1

           31 May 2022 at 10:20 pm

           There is fiscal headroom over the term of the coming Parliament, meaning that if elected, the National Party could accommodate additional spending of up to $10.189 billion over the five years to 2024/25 and still be within its overall spending envelope.

           What idiot said that? Judith Collins, perhaps? Maybe Simon Bridges? It must've been that economic clown, Paul Goldsmith? Blow me down with a feather but it was none other than the New Zealand Institute of Economic Research (prior to the 2020 General Election). I imagine the NZIER will be undertaking a similar assessment of National's fiscal policies next year. I’m predicting fully costed tax cuts. 🙂

           https://img.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/2009/National_Party_Policy_Costings.pdf
           • Incognito 7.1.1.1.1.1

             1 June 2022 at 8:50 am

             Your trust in National and its buddies at NZIER is endearing.

             In other words, you have nothing either other than a dated and obsolete report from 18 September 2020 based on even older and more outdated data. It may have passed you but things have happened in the world since then.

             … overall spending envelope.

             That’s so funny!

             BTW, I’m not interested at all in National’s “fiscal policies”, which just goes to show that you have no idea what you’re talking about.

             Please stop insulting our intelligence with your unhelpful comments. The Opposition is supposed to offer an alternative, act like a Government-in-waiting. As it stands, they’re a bunch of hopeless hapless amateurs that cannot even cobble together a spreadsheet-based calculation that could even remotely pass as a ‘budget’ for the nation because they have no policy platform yet, i.e. they are trying to build the plane whilst trying to fly it and want you and us to buy it – a lead balloon stays in the air for longer. Even Clint on Twitter did a better job than those wannabee managers of the economy who have not one economically astute MP among them, least of all their figurehead who’s got his head still in the clouds and thinks he’s walking on air.
       • Kiwijoker 7.1.1.2

         1 June 2022 at 7:00 pm

         Spoken like a true decaying boomer Mickey B.
8. Chris 8

   31 May 2022 at 2:45 pm

   "Hopefully the media will start asking Luxon and Willis the real questions. What is National going to cut to deliver its right wing nirvana of tax cuts and smaller Government?"

   Even if the media did start asking those questions the voting public will still put luxon and national in. All most people see these days is a female prime minister who saw us through Covid, but now we're back on track so it's time to get the real leaders onboard again who can sort the economy out and deal with the many "crises" we seem to be faced with right now. It doesn't matter how much shit comes out of luxon's mouth – people are too stupid to see what's really going on.

   It's a difficult situation to respond to, but what makes things really, really bad is that Labour and the current government have absolutely no clue at all what to do to stop it.
   • MickeyBoyle 8.1

     31 May 2022 at 3:29 pm

     You are right, kiwis believe National are the party of economic management, no matter what history has shown.

     We shouldn't be relying on National to slip up or our "fair and impartial" media to scrutinize them in the hope of showing some flaws in their promises.

     We should be using the majority we have to implement truly transformative policies that benefit kiwis.

     Stop relying on catching National out or hoping for them to implode and start delivering for kiwis so that the only sensible choice they have when standing in that ballot box next year, is a choice of Labour or Greens.
     • Chris 8.1.1

       31 May 2022 at 4:29 pm

       It doesn't help that national's MO is lie, lie, lie and hope some of it will stick. The problem the government has is that a lot of it sticks.

       Again, dealing with this is difficult, but Labour and the government can't be satisfied with its usual mild reply of "no, that's not right because…"

       The response luxon's empty lying rants demand is one that focuses on and exposes the deliberate tactic of not telling the truth. It's the "not telling the truth" that needs to be exposed, and then the truth.
9. barry 9

   31 May 2022 at 4:21 pm

   So why a series of tweets? Why not a press release saying "Robertson pokes holes in National’s finance policies"? Even the Herald might print it.

   Part of the reason why National is getting so much air time is because they issue about 6 million press releases a week. The media are super lazy and the press releases fill up the paper, and the headlines encourage clicks.

   I know National have time because they have nothing else to do, but it does stick. The content is almost irrelevant. Labour should make time.
   • Christopher Randal 9.1

     5 June 2022 at 2:54 pm

     Granny won't (in my experience) print anything that criticizes their paymasters
10. James Simpson 10

    31 May 2022 at 4:50 pm

    Agreed 100% ,but I don't think National will be spooking the horses with details of their alternative budget this far out from the election. They will be trying to firm up some of that support.

    I think a lot of this will turn on where we are sitting in 12 months time. If inflation is still in the 5 -10% range their will be a narrative growing around having to all collectively go through some financial pain to get inflation under control. That pain will mean restraining and cutting both government and private expenditure. If National can present that as the only way to deal with inflation then they could present that alternative budget with massive cuts to welfare in particular.

    That type of cut is actually supported by your average Tory.
11. Binders full of women 11

    31 May 2022 at 6:33 pm

    I'd cut 300mil from Waka transit comms waffle around road to 0, infantile TV ads (as bad as 3 waters). I'd cut the 2bil 3 waters lolly-bribe. I wouldn't cut health.
12. Patricia Bremner 12

    31 May 2022 at 9:38 pm

    No Binders full of women, you "wouldn't cut health!!!"

    because those cuts would mean more would die and be injured on the roads. The actual "Road Toll"

    more will get ill or die from contaminated water,

    more will die of heart or stroke from worry about huge rate rises, and welfare cuts.

    Luxon has to explain Cause (Action) and Effect (Outcomes) and most of all Reasons

    This Government has based its Budgets on Wellness.

    What and who will gain from Nationals Budget.???? That is the question that is being avoided.

    So what have we got?

    A chorus of "Crime" and "I am scared" from Paula of Meth fame.

    Tax cuts ..again

    We will cut the spending and throw out all their legislation.

    That is not a plan.
13. georgecom 13

    31 May 2022 at 10:14 pm

    Maybe Luxon might want to get Goldsmith to have a look over the books, his fiscal hole was only $4 billion.

    You might expect National to look at raising GST.

    A sensible way for them to fill their fiscal hole will be a capital gains tax. Like that NZ Rocketeer bloke says, plug the 'rascist' policies which privileges some holders of capital assets and untaxed capital gain.
14. Mat Simpson 14

    31 May 2022 at 10:57 pm

    " I hope he is right about the media. I have seen some evidence of this but I am surprised there has not been more push back by them. "

    " Hopefully the media will start asking Luxon and Willis the real questions "

    What planet are you on !

    The media is RIGHT WING in case you hadn't noticed and has no intention of asking the hard questions or anything else that might embarrass or put the National leadership under pressure or scrutinise the draconian alternative of Seymour's budget.

    That has been the narrative since Brash's leadership in 2003-05 then the shysters after that for nine years.

    Nothing has changed since their last time in office and their influence and favours in the corporate media remain unchallenged.

    The corporate media will wait patiently for LINO's demise while continuing to push negative headlines like water dripping on a stone.

    Of course National's policies don't add up they don't have to because they know they will never be scrutinised in the MSM.
    • tc 14.1

      1 June 2022 at 8:56 am

      +100 that's not changing so the likes of Davis, Mallard etc need to roll the sleeves up and counter the lies.

      Leaving the BS unchallenged till next year's a mistake IMO
15. Chris T 15

    1 June 2022 at 1:10 pm

    Have no idea who this Clint Smith dude is, but at some stage after 5 years in power Labour are going to need to realise you can't keep blaming the last lot, when they have had so long to fix their accusations.

    "The last govt did this" after 5 years is getting a bit tedious and looking like whataboutism and frankly just making excuses for a lack of just sorting it out.
    • Incognito 15.1

      1 June 2022 at 6:59 pm

      I have no idea what Post you did read thus your comment here is unhinged and misplaced.

      BTW, has it already been 5 years? Crikey, I may have slept through the alarm …
16. Peter 16

    2 June 2022 at 8:16 am

    I agree they should move off blaming the other lot and move to a different channel.

    Maybe they'll do that when the other lot and their brain dead supporters STFU about a housing crisis starting out of nowhere in October 2017 and in every utterence acting as that were the case.

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