National’s sockpuppet is trying to muzzle press?

Written By: - Date published: 8:18 pm, September 4th, 2014 - 218 comments
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Anyone care to guess who might be funding this?

Karol did her usual research. It looks like the name on the application is Cameron John Slater. But really? This is the clown who has been pleading poverty and representing himself against Matthew Blomfield. Now he has the money to try to get High Court injunctions?

I guess National just don’t want their dirty politics to keep driving their electability down eh?

The High Court Daily List from CourtsofNZ website.

Ground Floor
(J R Billington QC) (.) (.) (.) (.)
Interim Injunction Application 1st

NZ Herald article

Whaleoil blogger Cameron Slater is going to the High Court in an effort to stop media publishing information taken by the hacker known as Rawshark.

The blogger has filed papers with the court seeking to ban media and the hacker from any further publication of his emails and social media conversations.

In a case to be heard tomorrow in the High Court at Auckland, Slater will ask for a legal halt to use of the information by the New Zealand Herald, TV3 and Fairfax Media. He also wants the news organisations to turn over to him the information they have.

Stuff article

h/t: Tim Murphy and Karol


Updated: The strangest thing is that Cameron Slater himself in defending himself from a defamation case by Matthew Blomfield has been arguing that material copied unlawfully is not ‘stolen’ and in anyhow is in the public interest to be published by a “news medium”.

See “It’s not stolen I just borrowed it without asking”.

The level of personal hypocrisy by this despicable ‘blogger’ is simply breathtaking..


Updated: In the unlikely event that whaledump / rawshark is prevented from publicizing the appalling behaviour that Cameron Slater and his National handlers have been up to over the last 7 years, I’ll be happy to organize some popup domains,  homes for them, and directions to them. I would consider it to be part of my public service obligations to my society – the moderation and elimination of arseholes and their behaviours. 😈

Besides which, if the media get injuncted against reporting directly on the dumps, the story for the media can then move to being about the other bloggers reactions to Cameron Slater and his despicable behaviour. The media will be familiar with how that game is played. They have been doing it with David Farrar for more than a  decade and with Whaleoil for a shorter period of time.

218 comments on “National’s sockpuppet is trying to muzzle press?”

  1. mickysavage 1

    All this effort to stop forged emails and Facebook messages from being published …

    • lprent 1.1

      I guess that they aren’t forged after all?

      • One Anonymous Bloke 1.1.1

        So we get Slater’s confirmation under oath that the emails etc. are his.

        What a dastardly plan 🙄

    • yeshe 1.2

      they must be very afraid of what has been forged, micky … but no defamation ? maybe they are not forged after all. And the injunction will prove it, yes ?

      Then it will be all eyes on Wikileaks, with the name Ede being writ large.

      And so, as I have written elsewhere here tonight ..

      Key, meet Padlock; Padlock, meet Key.

    • Ben Adam 1.3

      He can dish it out, but can’t take it! What a coward! He should be put in jail for a considerable length of time along with all his other nasty mates that colluded so callously to destroy so many people, their reputations and careers.

      He and his collaborators are the scum of New Zealand!

      • Cancerman 1.3.1

        On what charge should he be put in jail?

        • One Anonymous Bloke

          I can think of several. Conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, interference in an SFO investigation, malicious use of social and other media. That’s just for starters. There are others.

    • AmaKiwi 1.4

      What are the odds Slater will get the injunction? (I am not a lawyer.)

      • Ben Adam 1.4.1

        Even if he gets one, internet is world wide.

        He can try to run, but can’t hide!
        He can try to shied, but is nakedly transparent.
        He may be a nut, but will be cracked.

      • David H 1.4.2

        Probably 10000-1 unless the fix is in then no matter what’s said it will be granted, and then The Moronic MSM will finally get it. That they have been played.

  2. karol 2

    And Selwyn Manning’s latest post is worth a look:

    Investigation: National’s Campaign Flying Blind – What National Fears Most and Where It Is Most Vulnerable

    FOR ALL THE PRIME MINISTER’S PUBLIC BRAVADO contacts inside National speak of a party in tatters, with electorate-based campaign handlers fielding concerns from rank-and-file members, volunteers angry at their leader and their party hierarchy for allowing this ‘dirty politics’ scandal to get away on them.

    But what is feared the most by National’s political elite is the pending dump of email correspondence between Jason Ede and Cameron Slater.

    That, and revelations potentially contained within the cache of documents, is what National insiders believe may eventually place the Prime Minister John Key under oath.

    Which maybe explains why Slater suddenly has an expensive QC representing him to try to muzzle the press, and stop the story – desperate measure.

    • joe90 2.1


      But where Ede slipped up was using his email address to receive digitised copies of official government documents from a photocopier/scanner in the Beehive. Its address is: The l9 referring to Level Nine, the 9th floor of the Beehive Executive Wing.

      • karol 2.1.1

        Hmmm. Yes.

        Interesting, also, is that Manning and the Nat insiders focus on Ede. That was signified in the video of John key;s standup a couple of days after the release of Dirty Politics.

        My transcript of part 2 (I never did finish that transcript)

        In it I indicated when Key’s voice squeaked, indicating he was experiencing considerable physical stress. And, especially towards the end of part 2 transcript – it happened most frequently when answering questions about Jason Ede.

        • Paul

          Does anyone where Ede has disappeared to?

          • Anne

            The other day someone here thought it was up his own………..

          • David H

            Buried In the grounds of Parliament, in a shallow Grave for screwing up? Nothing that the NATS do would surprise me any more. Why has No one asked where he is? or ask to see his alive uninjured body.

          • Tracey

            Inspector General does cos she has issued him a sub poena like she did the Pm, oh sorry, The PMs office.

            he was last seen entering parliament. Wasnt seen leaving…

    • That is an extraordinary post.

      If correct, National are haemorrhaging from within.

      Their only electoral hope is that over the next two weeks the broader voting public remain ill-informed or simply ignorant about the depths of this crisis and the seriousness of the malfeasance that has been occurring at the highest levels.

      • lprent 2.2.1

        Explains the sudden rush to court eh?

        National would like this to not be in public debate.

        • Puddleglum

          National would like this to not be in public debate.

          Yep – or, more simply, not on the 6 o’clock news.

          Unless all Ede’s emails show is him swapping videos of cats on the internet with Slater I don’t see how Key could avoid the shrapnel as the bomb explodes.

          • weka

            At what point would the govt be called on to resign? Do the links need to be direct to the PM? Or would even that not be enough?

            • One Anonymous Bloke

              I think the pertinent question is: when will the first criminal charges be laid and against whom?

              By the looks of it the Ede/Slater and Collins/Slater dumps have gone to the MSM.

              More popcorn please!

      • Tracey 2.2.2

        and no speculation fromt he Press? They speculate ad infinitum about labour… but I guess this proves Labour doesnt run the same dirty tricks campaign and can’t pass on the scuttlebutt tot he Press

    • That’s been obvious for a few days now. Ede appears to have vanished from the face of the earth. Pretty much everyone else involved in #dirtypolitics has at least attempted to front up.

      I would hazard a guess that the first thing that the Nats did is demand access to all of Ede’s email accounts, and that they saw some stuff there that they really didn’t like, but wasn’t in Hager’s book. Whaledump may well have held back some parts of the emails from Hager for tactical reasons. It’s what Glenn Greenwald does and it is very effective at shutting down spin.

      • Tom Jackson 2.3.1

        Although reading the article, Manning says that they haven’t and are flying blind. WTF?

        Cunliffe really needs to go for broke here and make sure to put the boot in at every opportunity.

    • David H 2.4

      That plus he charges a fortune to smear people.

    • Tracey 2.5

      Which makes Audrey Young’s party political broadcast for national recently (analysing poll results) very interesting. She offers not a jot of surprise that kiwis really don’t care and seems to have no opinion on whether they should.

      Anyone who bothers to open their eyes and read the book will be appalled, not cos its false, but because it is true, and the CGT stuff this week? The strategies of Hollow Men and Dirty Politics are bein gplayed out in front of us, and Audrey Young has read the books and has no comment?

      The contempt national is showing kiwis is frightening

      Smirking for New Zealand


  3. Hanswurst 3

    Even in unsuccessful, doesn’t this court action run a real risk of the media going merciless on the issue? There is plenty to hammer Slater and the PM on regarding their public replies and utterances over the last few weeks, even without referencing the hacked material directly, and Key might suddenly find himself facing far less lenient questioning.

    • Saarbo 3.1

      Yes, it possibly gives an indication on how juicy/damaging the info they are trying to hide is. I would imagine that daddy Slater is getting a few calls from National’s stal-warts asking him to sort his son out, perhaps this is part of it.

    • mickysavage 3.2

      I am sure there are some bright people behind this. They would balance out the Streisand effect (something Slater talks about all the time) of a high powered court case to suppress information against the damage caused by publication. Obviously publication was considered to be too dangerous to contemplate.

      • Hanswurst 3.2.1

        Agreed, but just because they choose the lesser of two evils doesn’t mean that that lesser evil won’t blow up in their collective face. When faced with the choice of jumping into a pit of boiling oil and a pit of ravenous bears, one may well choose the latter, but the truth is that one’s likely done for either way.

      • Paul 3.2.2

        So what is being hidden must be reaaaallly bad, as Slater in court trying to shut down the story looks terrible.

        • mickysavage

          If I was the Herald’s lawyers I would agree to an injunction preventing the release of every email except those from or to Jason Ede and then argue the Ede emails should be released on the basis that he is a public servant and that it was in the public interest to see what he said.

    • Tracey 3.3

      We can only hope…

      No breath-holding please

  4. “Now he has the money to try to get High Court injunctions?”

    Daddy must have increased his pocket money.

    • yeshe 4.1

      He has a sugar daddy, TWW.

    • Tracey 4.2

      Still no one in the media has connected Carrick Graham to Sir Douglas Graham?

      Did anyone run the former national Party MP paying for attacks on opponents (Katherine Rich… food and beverage)

  5. Clearly they are worried about something which has not yet come out. It gets better.

  6. Anne 6

    The bully boy’s sense of entitlement knows no bounds.

    A feature of a typical psychopath is: they believe they can do what they like… lie, cheat, play dirty games, interfere in the private lives of whomsoever they please and will commit criminal acts in the process. Bully boy is a typical psychopath. Not surprising if a third party is aiding and abetting him by stumping up with the dosh?

    It will be party time when bb finally gets sent down for a stretch in gaol and maybe one or two others will go down with him?

  7. Fijibill 7

    What’s the likely outcome?

    • lprent 7.1

      Probably that the press will argue that it is in the deep public interest. That Cameron should show a reason why he should be treated any differently to any of the people he has treated like this.

      I’d be amused if the court decides that they will give a decision in two weeks.

      • yeshe 7.1.1

        me too; laughing out loud even !

      • Tracey 7.1.2

        “That Cameron should show a reason why he should be treated any differently to any of the people he has treated like this.”

        I doubt they will take account of that, per se, but I would certainly run it to indicate that Mr Slater has no reputation to protect. You have to have a good reputation to complain of it being besmirched.

        Could be a GREAT way to get the emails well and truly into the domain that have already been published and confirmed as true, which will dent national’s claims in the early days that they were lies.

    • Bearded Git 7.2

      That whaledump73 (or whatever number he is up to) will dump the lot before 2-15 tomorrow.

  8. Anne 8

    I’d be amused if the court decides that they will give a decision in two weeks.

    Does that mean if the court decides to give a decision in a few days.. Whaledump and the news outlets can have an orgy of dumps and stories until the decison is finally made?

    • Hanswurst 8.1

      Perhaps they’re playing more of a game of chicken. They mightn’t expect to win, but possibly have some idea how damaging the realeases will be, and are banking on their all being released in a big dump now to preempt the possibility of any injunction, which would at least give some time for the fuss to die down before the election, rather than seeing National face a slow drip up until much closer to polling day.

  9. ianmac 9

    Last week the Law experts said that under the current Act, “data is not property and therefore cannot be stolen.” Odd but as a non legal mind it seems possible. Suppose the copying is not the same as stealing a book. (They did say that there are some specific exceptions like identity theft.)
    Sorry I can’t name the legal beagles but may have been Andrew Geddis or ummm. Oh well. It may be relevant in an Injunction application.

    • Tracey 9.1

      In the case of “Brambles” in Australia and Citibank v Blompkampf and White (New Zealand) the cases resolved that if client information held electronically gets into the wrong hands, whether by legal means or not, the information was always the property of the clients and unless they gave permission for their data to be used by the people now in possession it could not be used.

      Now this is different cos there isn’t a client relationship per se. Although Slater has Carrick Graham, Hotchin and Katherine Rich as clients at various points

      • yeshe 9.1.1

        Albeit secret relationships we only know about via the released emails. So does this mean Slater has to prove they were/are clients ?

  10. greywarbler 10

    When does data change to be regarded as information?

    • ianmac 10.1

      I do not remember where the legal discussion was but will search.

      • greywarbler 10.1.1

        @ ianmac
        I would think that lprent would know about this. I’m sure it is in his head somewhere!

    • mickysavage 10.2

      A quick and dirty description …

      If the data is not moved then you probably have not stolen it BUT it is illegal to access a computer without authority. Like for instance going into the Labour Party server and downloading their CMS data or going into Cameron’s computer and downloading a copy of his email.

      If the information is then given to a reporter then there may be a public interest defence in publishing it which may mean a reporter can discuss the information publicly if the public interest demands it and the reporter can claim journalist privilege like Slater did with the hacked emails from Matt Blomfield and like Nicky Hager did with Slater’s emails.

      Cameron’s position on these issues as an independent political commentator without a paid axe to grind is that when he is on the receiving end it is bad but when he on the giving end it is justified.

      His principles appear to be very flexible …

    • SpaceMonkey 10.3

      Information is data put into a context, organised or given some structure, etc… at least that’s how I understand it.

  11. weka 11

    Has the MSM being covering the Blomfield angle at all?

  12. yeshe 12

    How comforting to know that Teflon is impossible to repair once it begins to chip off.

  13. ianmac 13

    This is not what I was looking for because somewhere they were quoting a recent Act which has never been tested before the Court. That below may not help. Sorry. Contact Graeme Edgler
    One place was on Public Address when Graeme Edgler wrote this when discussing Slater/Eade stealing Labour Computer info:
    “Accessing a computer without authorisation is a crime under section 252 of the Crimes Act 1961. It says:
    I’ve been going back and forth on this since the release. My current position (of many shifting ones) is that it’s subsection (2) that is important in determining whether the offence was committed, but it is difficult to see how far that would go.

    Subsection 2 says:

    To avoid doubt, subsection (1) does not apply if a person who is authorised to access a computer system accesses that computer system for a purpose other than the one for which that person was given access.”

    pneumeric (who is he/she?)says:
    “It strikes me that maybe section 249 of the crimes act is possibly relevant to this incident if 252 is not.

    249Accessing computer system for dishonest purpose
    (1)Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years who, directly or indirectly, accesses any computer system and thereby, dishonestly or by deception, and without claim of right,—
    (a)obtains any property, privilege, service, pecuniary advantage, benefit, or valuable consideration; or
    (b)causes loss to any other person.
    (2)Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years who, directly or indirectly, accesses any computer system with intent, dishonestly or by deception, and without claim of right,—
    (a)to obtain any property, privilege, service, pecuniary advantage, benefit, or valuable consideration; or
    (b)to cause loss to any other person.
    (3)In this section, deception has the same meaning as in section 240(2).

    • Hanswurst 13.1

      I think you might be thinking of a UK ruling (I think it was referenced here recently, too) that states pretty much that . A short description of the ruling is here.

      ETA: Ah, here is the comment on The Standard, and it appears to say that it’s in NZ as well.

  14. anker 14

    If he stops media from publishing stuff from Whale Dump, surely that wouldn’t prevent the blogs from doing so.

    This website might get a huge number of new visitors if that is the case. And guess what they might start reading all the other posts! Karma for the right wing?

    • yeshe 14.1

      can’t stop publication on the net’.. maybe in NZ, but elsewhere? .. c’est impossible !! wikileaks anyone ?

      • lprent 14.1.1

        Exactly. I’ve had servers for this site sited all over the world in the last seven years. Most of the accounts are still available. Routing and obscuring the servers is childs play.

        Interesting levels of support from my tech friends.. They like the idea.

        • yeshe

          😀 we love you LPrent

        • adam


        • Tiger Mountain

          Thats the spirit lprent.

          The sack of manure and left over scabbery assembled in some grotesque mockery of human form–Slater–cannot be allowed to get away with this travesty on top of all he has done. Even picking on school teachers and decent principals like Pat Newman fer crissakes I discovered yesterday.

          I said weeks ago that all roads lead to his ultimate enabler, the Prime Minister. The Nats and corporates and state apparatus are desperate to somehow keep slippery out of it for another two weeks. We must not let them.

      • David H 14.1.2

        SO everyone does a Slater ON Slater and publishes online. Hoisted on his own petard. See there is a god lol

    • Tracey 14.2

      It will be a blanket ban on publishing, which will cover ALL forms.

      • yeshe 14.2.1

        If that happens Tracey, and material is then ‘published’ overseas on Wikileaks, just for example, would that ban prevent us from even discussing such ‘publishing’ here ?

        • Tracey

          Thats something i asked lprent but he is crazy busy i think.

          I dont know how the definition of publishing works offshore…

          As in if this blog posted a link to an overseas site which had the info, is that deemed to be published in nz…

          I think, but am not sure, that the emails could be talked about but not quoted from?!?

  15. BLiP 15

    The National Ltd™ Prime Minister using the nation’s spies for political purposes, the National Ltd™ Minister of Justice participating in an organised conspiracy to pevert the course of justice, the National Ltd™ Minister of Education covertly launching personal attacks on individuals who dare take the consultation process seriously, the National Ltd™ Minister of Social “Development” breaching privacy to publicly attack critics of government policy, the National Ltd™Minister of Transport flouting his department’s own security measures because he was running late for a plane, a former National Ltd™ Minister participating in orchestrated attacks on individuals seeking to improve public health, the son of a former National Ltd™ Minister of Justice launching personal attacks on behalf of clients who cannot deal with the content of criticism, a principal within the National Ltd™’s front-group “The Taypayer’s Union” getting roused out of bed to scamper down to the pub to take pictures of Winston on the piss, National Ltd™ Press Office bum-boy gone into hiding . . . remind me: who’s paying for Slater’s QC tomorrow afternoon?

    • Paul 15.1

      Royal Commission needed urgently.

    • Bearded Git 15.2

      Brilliant blip. I think McCully should be in their with his Malaysian clusterf#@k.

      That brave lady deserves justice.

    • David H 15.3

      So TricKey’s spies already have all our names and addresses. Oh well What are they going to charge us with? Laughing at Slaters futile attempts to put the genie back into the bottle? Charge away.

      • BLiP 15.3.1

        So TricKey’s spies already have all our names and addresses . . .

        Without a doubt. Considering the vehemence with which some comments are made coupled with the political leanings of many here, if not the SIS then certainly John Key’s Diplomatic Protection Goons will have had many of us assessed for potential risk. How disappointing it must have been to discover that we are ordinary New Zealanders with something of a passion for politics, Mind you, how long before political trainspotting becomes a crime?

        • Colonial Viper

          If you’re from the Left, its been a crime for decades. Just ask Anne et al. Many stories.

        • Rich

          You mean before the blacklisting starts?

          I suspect that it already has.

        • Tracey

          My Tory Uncle (stood three times in national selection processes) started a conversation last week with

          ” I consider myself a man of integrity…” and then went on to pan Laila Harre and Hager. Has never read a Hager book and believes he should be spied on because he poses an extreme danger. I asked what he meant by extreme danger, he became offended but I pressed. He said because he doesn’t like the country Hager wants NZ to be.

          I asked him how he knows what Hager wants if he doesn’t read him. He then stood up (not exaggerating) and stood over me. My cousin, who is a friend of Harre, quietly asked my Uncle to sit down. He then turned his ire on both of us.

          I know he is a passionate man and he is 76, but his actions were excessive and a bit scary. He repeated all the lines “Labour does it too”. “It’s all lies”. “What about policies”. he described these as “indisputable facts”

          He is a very intelligent man but he was just spewing out, literally almost, every line this Govt has fed.

          My contribution to the conversation was to question why Hager was an “extreme danger” , and if they were really facts.

          I basically sat while he had a tirade.

          I have experienced this once before with him in my home over 15 years ago when I challenged him on gender equity. My partner had to ask him to leave.

          BTW he married his male partner two years ago.

          I didn’t ask him why he would vote for a party that may end up relying on a man who wants to reverse that marriage….

          • greywarbler

            Told off someone the other day for dissing the nanny state. Said that I was sick of hearing this term used disparagingly when it really means a government that serves the people which is what I want.

            So many people spout slogans. The brain goes bye-byes and out come the lines from bigots or derisory put downs. As if that was going to be sufficient as a blueprint for having a well-run state and decent society.

        • Anne

          How disappointing it must have been to discover that we are ordinary New Zealanders…

          I can give an example – albeit it happened 20 years ago.

          While working as a Met. Briefing Officer on the RNZAF Base, Whenuapai it became obvious that a close eye was being kept on my ‘activities’ both on and in close proximity to that Base. One day two security officers were passing and looking through a window to see who was in the office. One was overheard saying in a quizzical voice… but she’s very nice. They could only be referring to me because I was the only woman working in that office.

    • Tracey 15.4

      Stop it! no one wants to see you laying the truth bare…

      Dont forget farrar pretending he was changing his ways and then promptly the taxpayers union and he push this “kill the PM” funded by taxpayers WITHOUT ringing NZ on AIR for confirmation… yup, he’s pretended to change his ways for sure.

  16. Flipnz 16

    Any chance whaledump protected as a whistleblower?

  17. karol 17

    It’s in Lynn’s post above:


  18. Alistair Connor 18

    The cat’s out of the bag on too many counts.

    Katherine Rich : Remember the storm of legitimate objections when she was appointed to the Health Promotion Agency Establishment Board, being simultaneously chief lobbyist for the supermarkets? (Grocer’s association)


    “By appointing Katherine Rich to this position, the government indicates that it wants to have the alcohol industry strongly represented on the new Board of their central health promotion agency,” added Professor Jennie Connor, another medical spokesperson of Alcohol Action NZ.

    But Key was comfortable with that…

    The appointment of the head of an influential lobby group for the food industry to a health promotion agency is not a conflict of interest, Prime Minister John Key said this afternoon. […] Mr Key said that the inclusion of Ms Rich – a former National Party MP – on the agency’s board was appropriate.

    “I’m comfortable that she’ll be able to manage any conflict….It’s important that a board has a range of different views.”

    • Paul 18.1

      This story about the Food and Grocery Council ( sounds so quaint doesn’t it..but actually a front for big agriculture and big liquor to push their poisons on us.
      Katherine Rich heads this powerful lobby group.
      And they’re still up to tricks.

      • Alistair Connor 18.1.1

        Yes… A “Rich” diet, with lots of alcohol, sugar and saturated fats, that’s so good for health…

        Oh wait. It’s only for poor people.

        • Paul

          Rich was interviewed by Nigel Latta in his show about Sugar.
          He wasn’t impressed by her trying to fob him off with the typical Tory line of personal responsibility. Latta, as a psychologist, mentioned the power of advertising and the impact of addiction.
          Scientific arguments sadly don’t weigh heavily on Rich and her type.
          Wouldn’t be surprised if Slater was used to undermine Latta for daring to question the way the Food, Prison and Drink industry make their profits.
          Thank goodness for Hager’s book.

          • unsol

            I’m kinda tory 🙂 & I agree with personal responsibility, but I don’t think that should preclude a collective responsibility to help encourage personal responsibility! 🙂

            I think the govt should mandate a no junk ban in all schools – force the schools to force the kids to force the parents to grow the feck up.

            Everyone goes on about how junk food is cheaper than good food, that coke is cheaper than milk yet how many people scull a couple of 2 litre bottles of milk in one day? Probably none!

            Same thing with potato chips – if you tried to eat the same amount of calories in apples as a bag of chips you’d probably only get as far as 2 apples.

            So no, healthy food doesn’t have to hurt the budget as the reality is junk food is addictive so you end up eating more calories than you ought which means you get fact which means you eat even more which means a junk food diet is very expensive….the cost of the evil arches is exorbitant as are most takeaways…homemade is way cheaper.

            We just need to get back to basics, rewire back to the days of fast convenient prepackaged food.

            We need to treat sugar addiction seriously & we need to educate people on what real food is & get them eating it…which means some government intervention….helping people to help themselves.

            But yep, agree re Rich – the dirty politics info certainly put a different perspective on how credible she is….as in not all. And who would have thought…I wrote her off as a timid little mouse ages ago!

            • Paul

              I think one of the most interesting details might be how National Party MPs are sweetened to retire as MPs. Didn’t 17 resign this time?
              Rich managed to get a lucrative job after being a MP too.

              As to responsibility, soft drink manufacturers and junk food merchants use psychologists to manipulate young people’s minds. A parent trying to teach responsibility is up against millions of marketing dollars.

              This film shows how powerful these techniques are.

              We need defences against them.
              Rich is a tool of such corporate power.

              • unsol

                No, I think we need defences against lazy complacent parents first.

                I’m a parent & frankly anyone who tries to pass the buck re their poor food choices as the gatekeepers on what food enters the house is lazy and negligent.

                The food manufacturers are the least of my problems, my issue is with helicopter parents (hover/too many boundaries) or school of hard knocks/freedom parents (no boundaries) & the lack of strategy that is going into their parenting. Seem many forget it is a verb – has been ever since children became economic worthless (i.e. when we stopped putting our ids out to work to feed the family!) & emotionally priceless.

                End of the day it is the parents who are meant to have the foresight, the understanding of cause & effect – eat too much crap and you get fat/and or very sick which means you may not be able to do the things you love – and convey this to their kids in an age appropriate way.

                Junk food should be seen like alcohol & swearing – adult choices that come with the privilege of being an adult including all the responsibilities (working, paying bills, doing the chores etc). Kids are not adults therefore do not get to dictate adult choices. It is that simple. Yep it gets damn annoying having to stand firm on those boundaries, but I just remember we are not raising children, we are raising adults & the stands we take today will have a massive impact on their futures.

                I’m not a purist & love junk food myself, but I do believe it is important to teach our kids what real food is & lead by example – veges, fruit (not fruit juice – juice = no fibre = sugar = pancreas going into overdrive!), whole grains, lean meats & fish, milk & natural yoghurt (dairy is not yoghurt!)…all topped off with a glass of water each meal.

                Boring but filling & nutritious. It baffles me how understanding what basic nutrition is has become so complicated & difficult.

                Anyhoo, at least we agree on one thing – Rich is dodgy as. Or at least by association.

                • Tracey

                  Do you support the removal of GST from fruit and veggies and staple foods?

                  • Weepus beard

                    And then recover the drop in revenue from a sugar tax on processed foods. It would be a double whammy. Not a bad idea.

                  • unsol

                    I’m guessing you do? For me it depends on how broad you want to go….I think GST should only apply to consumer choices & should not apply to basic needs – ALL whole grains (which then covers cereal – wholegrain oats to make porridge should be the kiwi staple, not weetbix or those other god forsaken products trying to pass off as nutrition) refresh fruit, veges – no cans & packaging unless say around a silver beet bunch or spinach bag or container holding fresh courgettes or mushrooms), milk (not flavoured), standard/regular cheese, butter (not marge – marge is one chemically away from being nuclear), raw meats & fish. No pre cooked anything. Nor do I think it should apply to doctor or dentist visits, private school fees or rates.

                    I support GST on bread as frankly most bread is not up to standard. Bought stuff contain few whole grains & far too much sugar & salt.

                    We could instead scrap the GST on bread makers as well as the ingredients needed to make good nutritious bread – wholegrain/wholemeal/white flour, linseed, rye flour, gluten free varieties etc

                    I think it is a cop out that neither major party will seriously consider at least modifying our GST policies.

                    Anyhoo we’re off topic….

                    • Tracey

                      You tok it to junk food and healthy food. Reducing price of fruit and veggie by 15% might be enough to tip the balance away from crap food.

                      I would imagine something like the aussies have.

                • Molly

                  Unsol, your comments regarding other parents for some reason struck a discordant note when I read them.

                  On reflection, I think it is because I believe one of our fundamental jobs as parents is to impart the knowledge to our children that we do not have to justify our personal decisions – by criticising others.

                  You have absolutely no knowledge of the priorities in other people’s lives – and yet you are happy to give them a blanket condemnation – because of one skill that you think they need to possess.

                  I agree with your sentiments regarding healthy eating, but I do think that you fail to take into account a lot of influences from habit, to advertising, to access. And if you currently think that nutritious food is boring, you still have a lot to learn.

                  I don’t agree with your complete dismissal of parents for not being in the same place as you.

                  • unsol

                    We will never be in agreement that nutrition is compromised by access or advertising, but yes to education- if you re-read my comment I emphasis that…but through the kids.

                    As for nutritious food being boring – that was an acknowledgement of how others see it/the excuse others might use when trying to change bad habits.

                    A parent has 3 priorities required by law before anything else: provide your child with food, clothing & shelter.

                    Pies & other junk food are not food, not by a long shot & even if parents don’t know this, the schools do so it is time the community stepped in to help parents meet their obligations.

                    • Molly

                      Regarding advertising: a couple of points which in part agree with your identification of some “foodstuffs” being incorrectly identified as food.

                      I had an interesting conversation with someone working in the food industry, who since working there will now only eat organic food. He suggested that very few know the amount of additives and preservatives put into our processed foods.

                      Often foods are promoted as being low-fat (when they are high in sugar) and being healthy (when in fact they are still highly processed).

                      Instead of supporting and promoting local, seasonal diets – healthy eating advocates still focus on generic fresh fruit and vegetables – if they are imported, they are costly both in terms of environment and lesser nutritional value.

                      Our economic reliance on dairy, ignores some statistical evidence that dairy consumption for some can increase obesity, heart disease and diabetes. There are studies that support the findings in the book “The devil in the milk” that identifies the consumption of A1 milk to have negative health outcomes.

                      Yet we say milk is healthy.

                      Advertising – and mixed messaging from the MSM – don’t help with providing quality, useful information to the public. And this does have an effect.

                    • Tracey

                      Do you wonder why billions are spent on advertising if it doesnt work?

              • Rich

                Hey go easy!

                My job is not that lucrative either.! (my employer pays a rubbish salary)

      • David H 18.1.2

        Yeah in the Katherine Rich Zip from Whaledump, there was a document from Facilitate to Nestle’s about these sorts of things.

    • Tracey 18.2

      Fabulous… has the Press quoted it back and asked if he is still comfortable now that she has paid a nasty blogger to attack and opponent?

  19. disturbed 19

    “Even in unsuccessful, doesn’t this court action run a real risk of the media going merciless on the issue”

    The press are making money from covering this case so it could harm their pocket and they sure wouldn’t be keen to see a country where they are restricting “free press” would they.

    Then the Government would be seen to doing the Goebbels trick again and covering up the evidence from public prying eyes while Key’s claytons investigation goes on away from public scrutiny.

    Sort of Hitlerish don’t you think?

    [lprent: You can’t help yourself? Do you want my assistance in learning godwin restraint? ]

    • Hanswurst 19.1

      My mum was sort of Hitlerish sometimes while I was growing up. However, I never made the comparison because I thought it was stupid (well, at least I would have if the idea had even occurred to me).

  20. Lanthanide 20

    This blog claims Slater has been billed almost $60,000 in legal fees over the dirty politics so far:

    • Paul 20.1

      Cashed up supporters…
      The liquor industry
      The food industry
      The tobacco lobby etc etc

      You know, ordinary Kiwi Mums and Dads, as the Nacts always dribble on….

    • weka 20.2

      Anyone who uses the term ‘rape ape’ doesn’t deserve to be read, let alone taken seriously. Beyond that, Laudfinem is not a reliable source

  21. NZJester 21

    It is so hypocritical of him for trying to stop others doing to him what he himself has been doing. At least his dirty laundry is only coming from copies of his messages and not a stolen hard-drive.

    • unsol 21.1

      I agree in that a stolen harddrive is without question stolen property so why has Slater not been charged with receipt of stolen good & his source been charged with theft?

      But I think copied information from a hacked or open site that accidentally left more open than intended is also stolen when it is not used for its intended purpose (Slater’s private messages being published/his copying personal credit & donor info from the Labour Party website etc).

      Slater didn’t write those emails for public eyes & the Labour Party did not intend for anyone to be able to access credit & donor infer,

      Both the hacker & Slater committed wrongs & both should be held to account….which means Slater loses either way!

      • Tracey 21.1.1

        I agree but would add that the law allows for a thing called “public interest”. That might not protect the hacker from charges but might protect those who received them. Hager, for example, had extensive legala dvice before publishing, and has not yet had papers served on him.

        IOW, the main difference between The open labour site and the hacker is what they reveal and how the information was used. And that is where the public interest part comes in.

        The Injunction is a kind of “anti whistle-blower” attempt.

        We collectively need to be careful about how much we want to deter whistle-blowers?

        • karol

          There were 2 lawyers tweeted their best guess as to the judge’s decision today.

          Edgeler, I think went with granting injunction to stop the hacker releasing more info, but not gagging the press.

          NZBarrister, I think, went with interim junction gagging hacker & press, but long term allowing the hacked material to go public. And that would be the results the Nats would want – gagging before the election.

          • Tracey

            My gut feeling is the Court will go with Injunction because it cannot be seen to condone possible illegal behaviour.

            the clean hands aspect would be interesting in terms of those lawyer’s views.

  22. unsol 22

    I think that all personal information the hacker got from Slater’s accounts (financials, personal family emails, doctor info etc) should be deleted & declared as such – call it a gesture of goodwill (btw not sure why he needs anything returned when he would still have the information on his own server!)….you know, because your response is a reflection of your character not someone else’s.

    But in terms of all correspondence between Slater & politicians – it’s fair game.

    Will be interesting to see whether Slater’s stance flies in court tomorrow. His comments might be able to be protected/redacted, but not the pollies when they have been corresponding on work/government email addresses on the public’s dime. No way hosea.

    And then there is of course Slater’s blinding hypocrisy; fancy demanding an injunction for the very reasons he has been furiously disputing in the Blomfield Case! Seems the sloth is the master of own goals!

    By Slater’s own standards his hacker has just as much right to publish his emails as he did when publishing the Blomfield & Labour Party stuff.

    I think that is the tort the courts should focus on – whether hacked into, walked into or given, was the online content copied (can’t actually be taken per se unless you infect the owner’s server with a virus etc) used for its intended purpose? In all 3 cases I would say no…..which means Slater is screwed either way! If he wins on this he will have to give up his source in the Blomfield case or become an accessory after the fact (depending of course whether the Blomfield harddrive was accessed, given away or stolen…..if stolen then the source should be charged with theft & Slater charged with receipt of stolen goods).

    Then there is the small issue of the blogsphere…….the hacker could just dump everything he has on Slater & the Nats & no one could do anything about it….

    Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

    Either way Collins & the Whale have truly been dumped in it – Collins will never get a top ministerial position again & Slater will never ever be accepted into the NZ Press Council……no matter who you vote for I reckon that is a big win.

    So thank you very much Mr Hacker…thank you for making Slater live up to his own mantra as sunlight is indeed the best disinfectant….and may the sun continue to shine brightly on him & his ilk!

    • lprent 22.1

      What about his financials where he was taking pay for running others attack posts under his name?

      It seems to me that there is a strong public interest in knowing who was paying for those undisclosed campaigns.

      The ports of Auckland for instance. The campaign over the blood testing for Auckland. And many more..

      • unsol 22.1.1

        Definitely a case for public interest, but my understanding is that the law never accepts the means justifying the ends. A case has to be established on its merits & legally – if say you broke into someone’s home, saw the missing Mona Lisa & handed it in you would still be charged with breaking & entering.

        We all now know without a doubt Slater has been donkey deep in all kinds of amoral wrongdoing, but whether it was illegal and whether it can be proved it was illegal is another thing all together.

        I also think it would be naive to assume that undisclosed campaigns is a new phenomenon – big money has been buying policy for decades.

        My concern is personal attack stuff – such as Collins passing on information she only had access to because of her role as a Minister.

        She needs to be thrown out of parliament as I think she has breached the cabinet manual. I also think she should be disbarred for unethical practice.

        • lprent

          But now you are confusing those who publicize the stolen materials with those who steal the materials.

          It also doesn’t have to be ‘illegal’ dealings by Slater et al, amoral or questionable is all that is required for questions of public interest. After all we wouldn’t have Len Browns sex life to look at if we only looked at things that were ‘illegal’. eh? Nothing about that was ‘illegal’. But it was in the public interest because there was a probability that it might be.

          You’ll not that I am quoting the ‘illegal’. That is because it is a lazy way of thinking and bears no actual legal weight.

          The term you are looking for is actionable. It means that someone could bring a legal action against Slater or someone else with a reasonable expectation of getting a judgement against them. That could be criminal or civil. The public interest in in making the actions visible so that individuals and society can act against them if they are actionable.

          Matthew Blomfield has a very good case against Slater and quite a lot of his case also lies against the person who provided Slater with the material that he used. The person whose details were ‘leaked’ from the Ports of Auckland has a very good case against the Ports of Auckland if it could be shown that they were deliberately leaked by the Post of Auckland (directly or indirectly) as part of their dispute. Similarly the attacks on MUNZ. There are a host of similar campaigns run by Slater, Odgers, Williams and others that all bears the hallmarks of being actionable conspiracies.

          • unsol

            So what you’re saying is that I have mixed up legality with actionable? What about data theft in the Crimes Act? It was covered on the post about Slater copying info from the Labour Party website? Content was hacked, only copied, but not used in manner in which it was intended therefore data theft?

            The Brown info was legally obtained so no issue there & definitely in the public interest it appeared to have resulted in misuse of council resources. I just don’t agree with amount of detail Slater went into. I did find it ironic that Slater’s wife had plenty to say on the matter…

            As for the Slater emails we agree the hacker committed a crime but because the content could be in the public interest you are saying that there is no data theft? Which means Hager is in the clear & the media should be able to continue covering the content? Do we have a precedent in NZ for this?

            In terms of Blomfield – I agree, I reckon he has the stronger case. Slater is obviously arguing the publication of the info was in the public interest yet I don’t think it was so can’t see why Slater hasn’t been charged with receipt of stolen goods. Harddrive was stolen & clear case of data theft & defamation?

            POA I don’t know anything about!

        • Tracey

          Whistleblowers and the laws to protect them accept an ends justifies the means legal concept. Again it is about public interest

          My understanding is that an Injunction is an Equitable remedy. In equity to succeed you (the one seeking redress) must come tot he Court with clean hands. This is along the lines of what I think LPrent was saying, higher up, Slater appears to be seeking legal relief from something he does.

    • yeshe 22.2

      Collins should not only never be a minister again, she has no right to be an MP and needs to be disbarred as a lawyer; nothing less in a decent society. And prison time if even one fraction of these emails are proven.

      • unsol 22.2.1

        I agree except prison….I think that is being exceptionally optimistic given we have only in recent years started to appropriately sentence people for very serious crimes! Let’s not forget there are still some judges who believe women cannot be raped by their husbands & pedophiles should be given a free pass just because they happen to be good at “entertaining”.

        • yeshe

          Isn’t it ironic to say it’s optimistic to think our former Minister of Justice could be imprisoned .. it should be the most pessimistic view we should ever encounter !

    • Tracey 22.3

      Have you read the Book? I only ask because Collins is only one aspect of the behaviour that has benefitted the National party and its leader.

      The CGT focus this week both online and offline suggests the strategy rolls on, without Collins. There is a disdain for the electorate amongst all of this that we ignore at our peril.

      • unsol 22.3.1

        Yep, lucky enough to borrow a copy.
        One aspect yes, but definitely the most pertinent. I suspect with other allegations Slater could probably write his own book about the Labour party. The Collins/ede/Slater combo seems to be in a world of its own.

        • Tracey

          You have read the book and think slater has held back on evidence he has to discredit Labour?!?

  23. weka 23

    So what’s the play here? Leaving aside the possibility that Slater is just daft, if he gets an injunction against the media, the files will still get dumped on the internet. So is the point to keep the information out of the MSM as much as possible until after the election?

    • Paul 23.1

      Or get it dumped in one fell swoop now?

    • yeshe 23.2

      My hunch is they know something 100% HAZARDOUS AND NUCLEAR to Key is on its way via Ede and Slater. They can’t stop it now, but will at least attempt to keep it off TV screens and MSM organisations.

      They are hoist in their own petard of mismanagement — by denying for three weeks that anything was valid, they could not seek injunctions or legal relief. It’s actually very funny if it were not so effing tragic for us as a nation.

      Interesting that TVNZ does not appear to be named in the injunction application — is this at last an acknowledgement TVNZ News and Current Affairs is controlled from the 9th floor as we always suspected ? Ha ha.

      • Tracey 23.2.1

        I’m not so sure. I think they are concerned that sheer volume creates doubt of their “line” tot he public. Remember the Nats rely on the notion that if you repeat something often enough, the punters believe it (truth is irrelevant), they may be worried in that regard.
        Death Tax is straight out of the Joyce/Crosby?Textor playbook, and see we had a gaggle of right wingers peddling it yesterday. One masquerading as a concern troll pretending he was being factiual, and after 24 hours, another went “deathtax: “SCREAM!!!!!”

      • karol 23.2.2

        Interesting that TVNZ does not appear to be named in the injunction application — is this at last an acknowledgement TVNZ News and Current Affairs is controlled from the 9th floor as we always suspected ? Ha ha.

        I think David Fisher’s article today says it’s because the hacker has released material to these organisations:

        In a case to be heard today in the High Court at Auckland, Slater will ask for a legal halt to the use of the information by the Herald, TV3 and Fairfax Media.

        He also wants the order to apply to the hacker, and the news organisations to turn over to him the information they have.
        He said the named organisations had journalists he believed were in contact with the hacker, who appeared to be motivated by his views on the Whale Oil blog.

        “I believe the hacker is releasing information as some form of revenge, not in any sort of whistle-blower capacity or to advance public interest.”
        Since Dirty Politics was published, Rawshark has made public information online and through the three news media organisations Slater names in his court application.

        • yeshe

          thx Karol.

          Oh, the corrosive irony of this from Herald link. Hope Mr Pleasants and Adam Feeley and so many other are reading this from Slater’s affidavit:

          “I believe the hacker and associated persons are setting out to destroy my reputation and cause me the maximum amount of mental distress possible,” he wrote in an affidavit.

          Looks Like Slater’s diem is being carped !

  24. Rich 24

    Someone somewhere was saying that this was in equity and that clean hands were therefore required.

    If that is the case (and I think I’ll be put right if it is not) is some judge prepared to rewrite 500 yo law or is there a chance that this will be thrown out very quickly? Or will it just go ahead, stop publication and someone gets a dollar at the end of it?

  25. Wouldn’t it be funny if the Nats had to give Winston the inquiries he wants in order to get him into coalition, and it meant the end of Key, Collins and the rest of that faction?

    I reckon that after the election, the more moderate members of National might promise him that as a means of purging their party of the loons, and Winnie would take it. It would mean he ended his career by revenging himself on that faction of the National Party, and we all know the old dog would relish that.

    • yeshe 25.1

      Not as funny as him being in a left coalition with more power to accomplish exactly the same things. Can’t see him wanting to be on Key’s or National’s Titanic in any shape or form now.

      • Stuart Munro 25.1.1

        Winston should do a reverse takeover of National – he’s the only one fit to lead it. And once he was leading it we might get some straight answers out of him.

  26. Frida 26

    Sorry, because I am doing this on my iPad, my comment is out of sync, but in reply to the query of his chances of obtaining the injunction – quite high unfortunately as he only has to show an arguable case. The stinger is usually the undertaking to meet the defendants’ costs if the substantive action is ultimately unsuccessful, but I guess if he’s being funded by Daddy/the Nats, that’s not a problem.
    In my experience, courts will issue injunctions immediately, it won’t take two weeks.

    • lprent 26.1

      I know.

      The question is probably going to be if he can injunct against media because of persons unknown.

      However even if successful. I think that it’d be simple enough to create a whackamole where the media can move in instead to talking about the ineffectual attempts to stifle this discussion.

      I suspect that in terms of bad publicity for Slater and his backers like the National party that will be even worse.

      • Tracey 26.1.1

        If a NZ publisher inserted a link to an overseas site in their story, have they published the material?

      • Frida 26.1.2

        I hope so. All we can do is take comfort from the fact that, even if the injunction is successful, this ain’t going away any time soon.

    • Tracey 26.2

      he has to show the harm of publishing now, outweighs any decision in his favour later (when the full hearing for the Injunction is heard).

      IF publishing now renders a suppression later redundant and he will suffer harm, then he may get it.

      BUT, imo, the joker in the pack is how clean are his hands.

  27. RedBaronCV 27

    Are they also trying to injunct Natrad and TVNZ? Could be an alternate outlet there or even an overseas newspaper or two.
    Wonder how many others will line up to be heard by the court as a matter of major public interest. If they allow intervenors(?) personally I can see an absolute scrum of lawyers lining up (think Winebox if you are old enough) for all sorts of interested parties. Legal meter humming at the rate of $50 grand++ an hour. There has been plenty of notice set down. That many people and yes a two week reserved decision would be the thing.

    Would like to think that the public interest defence will hold? And maybe the judge will call for additional evidence? High risk strategy for the Nact’s?

  28. One Anonymous Bloke 28

    In the event that Slater gets a temporary injunction against Rawshark, what’s the likelihood of compliance?

    It presents the hacker with a choice: dump everything before any injunction is granted or keep calm and carry on.

    I cannot see them stopping.

  29. He is not the only one. Vinny Eastwoods Youtube channel was shut down yesterday after a 6 minute video about John Key’s banking career went viral!

    By the way Lprent, my blog will be available for dissemination of Whaledump files!

    • karol 29.1

      Vinnie’s website has the video, but I’m finding it a bit glitchy.

      Ah, it’s necessary to mute the live streaming of his radio show which plays automatically at same time as playing the video.

    • yeshe 29.2

      It also means they have temporarily silenced the video by Paul Carruthers via Vinny Eastwood’s youtube site of what really happened with SCF. If anyone has another link to that, please post, and I would hope everyone will be able to see it. Seen in the light of what we now know … it’s dynamite. ( sorry, off topic, but maybe important.)

  30. yeshe 30

    new dump at whaledump #2 one minute ago …

    • karol 30.1


      I only saw a TGIF comment and no dump.

    • veutoviper 30.2

      Original Whaledump is back up and running – the ‘#Whaledump’ at Whaledump2 appears to be a message to go back to the original.

      CORRECTION – reference is to #whaledump – not #Whaledump which is still suspended.

      #whaledump working and appears to have been for sometime.

    • yeshe 30.3

      hmmm .. only one thing I can see ? Am I missing something ? Anybody get more than the Jordan Williams not wanting to use office fax ??

      • weka 30.3.1

        can you please link. I can’t find it.

        • joe90

          The first file in the JW dump.

          edit: the WD2 account.

        • veutoviper

          Very confusing.

          The #whaledump I went to (and still have up) is this one which starts with a cut of a Jordan Williams/Slater exchange (taken from yesterday’s dump) but has a lot of other comments dating back several days. They are quite interesting and include Josie Pagini denying that she went hunting with Slater …

          Hoping this link works

          BUT the #whaledump that Karol’s link @ 31 below appears to be different.

  31. yeshe 32

    see my 31.2 edit weka … it is this morning … maybe no new dump (as yet!) but the tweet is recent .. maybe testing the currents and tides ?

    Whaledump2 @whaledump2 · 42m
    TGIF. #whaledump

  32. yeshe 33

    random thoughts while waiting for wd2 ….

    Short story #1:

    Ede will bleed
    exactly what we need
    til Key has peed, his pants on fire.

    “Oops, my bum got burned,” he cried as he drove away from the Beehive for the very last time, frail and huddling in his frangipani pink hawaiian shirt.

    • Markm 33.1


      Cunliffe dancing on pin saying Whaleoils emails should be released as in public interest but McCartens emails to Whaleoil should remain secret as they are not in public interest.

      Not a good day for the leader of third ranked party on top of being called on his IRD lies

  33. weka 34

    Ok, I don’t know what all that confusion was about. I’m following @whaledump2

    #whaledump will contain all sorts of stuff, and will display differently depending on whether you choose top or all, and I guess depending on whether people delete things or not.

  34. yeshe 35

    well, right now, it looks like whaledump2 is saying it’s over. i hope his/her life has not been threatened.

  35. yeshe 36

    well, it took from 1973 to 2012 for Deep Throat to reveal himself …

    be safe out there whaledump; I will always remember your courage and humour.

    ps. please ask your media guys to give copies to Winston !

    • Anne 36.1

      You deserve a knighthood rawshark although you probably wouldn’t accept it. The real heroes and heroines never receive knighthoods anyway.

      Go well, and I’m sure your efforts will not be in vain.

  36. Tracey 37

    Could someone tell me if john billington qc was laughing when he made some of his submissions today, made me wonder if he has ever met his client BUT he is, imo, drawing some long bows in his comparrisons.

    ” “What we have, really for the first time in this country, is a person’s private information being taken illegally and in breach of the Crimes Act.”

    He compared what had happened to a thief breaking into someone’s bedroom and stealing personal information which then ended up on the front page of the paper.

    He acknowledged Justice John Fogarty must balance the public interest against the right to privacy but he said “the court can’t close its eyes to the fact the information was obtained by crimes”.

    “It’s also in the public interest upholding law and order,” Mr Billington said.

    The lawyer highlighted the FBI investigation sparked by the release of several photos of naked celebrities in the United States.

    In that case media outlets had refused to publish the images because they had been obtained by illegal means, he said.

    There was also mention of the News of the World phone-hacking scandal in the UK, which Mr Billington said was all about the media’s financial interests rather than the public’s right to know. .. “

    • karol 37.1

      Yeah. That really is just so wide of the mark given the content of the WO blog and Slater’s past.

      • Tracey 37.1.1

        there is no evidence the hacker did this for financial reward
        it wasnt for sexual titilation or celebrity crap

        this is more like a snowden etc shine light on govt shennanigans

        not saying the interim injunction wont be granted. prob is the full hearing wouldnt be til well after the election

    • yeshe 37.2

      do you know who is there for Herald, Stuff and TV3 ? they surely have right of reply this afternoon, yes ?

  37. yeshe 38

    thx .. herald not updating yet .. do u hv it frm somewhere else ?

    • karol 38.1

      Have seen tweet that NBR’s Chris Keall is saying Slater lost re-injunction.

      • karol 38.1.1

        On NBR’s front page

        • yeshe

          wonderful woman, thank you !

          • yeshe

            YES YES YES !!!! someone has ministered some justice … brilliant for us all !

            paywalled of course, but headline is enough ! waiting for others to publish …

        • Tracey

          in the public interest but have to be mindful of deterring hackers

        • yeshe

          Julian Miles QC, lawyer representing the three media organisations, says the organisations are not interested in publishing the private details regarding Slater’s family, which he had been worried about.
          Media organisations were instead focused on the political implications of the emails.
          While the media did not know what was yet to be revealed, it would be a “significant and unprecedented gag” on the media to not be allowed to publish the material, particularly in an election period, he said.
          “To be told there are more of these [emails] out there and to be told this information should be withheld would be an extraordinary interference to the right of the public to be given this information and the media to disseminate it.”
          Slater could have filed for an injunction the day after Dirty Politics came out last month or when the subsequent emails were leaked, Mr Miles said. The information has been in the public arena for some time now.
          “The genie has escaped from this particular bottle,” he said.
          There had been an “extraordinary” effect following the release of the information including the launch of two inquiries and the resignation of Ms Collins.
          He says there is a “reasonable assumption” any further information would be as significant as what has already been published.
          “It would be a travesty that the responsible media are unable to talk about these future disclosures, whereas the wilder areas on the internet and the bloggers will undoubtedly be posting on them and commenting on them,” Mr Miles said.
          “You would have a world where the public is way worse off than they would have been otherwise. Informed comment is gone because it’s been gagged and uninformed comment becomes the means in which the public is informed.”

          Read more:

      • Tracey 38.1.2


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  • Why do we need control orders again?
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Bullshitting the Minister
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Speaker: Extinction Rebellion is not a cult (but ecstasy for the people)
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    2 days ago
  • We need to bring the police under control
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • If you can’t measure it, does it exist?
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    SciBlogsBy Marcus Wilson
    2 days ago
  • Swinson’s swithering
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    .@KayBurley presses Lib Dem leader @joswinson on whether she would agree to a #Brexit deal 'no matter how bad a deal it is' as long as it had ...
    3 days ago
  • Women’s rights, trans ideology and Gramsci’s morbid symptoms
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    RedlineBy Admin
    3 days ago
  • We need to take guns off police
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • “Bringing kindness back”
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Press Release: “Fake News” from Auckland City Council CCOs Board Chairs re pay and performance b...
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    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    3 days ago
  • Ever-So-Slightly Bonkers: Simon Bridges Plays To His Base.
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    3 days ago
  • Asking for food
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    Opposable ThumbBy Unknown
    3 days ago
  • Forty years of change in the jobs Kiwi do and the places they call home
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    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    3 days ago
  • Protecting Fresh Waterways in Aotearoa/NZ: The Strong Public Health Case
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    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    4 days ago
  • Massey University triggered to rebrand
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    RedlineBy Daphna
    4 days ago
  • Swinson backing calls for a second referendum (again)
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    4 days ago
  • An odious bill
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • National is now the party of climate arson
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • The environmental footprint of electric versus fossil car
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    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    4 days ago
  • “Manifest” by Andrew Bird – A Song For The Times.
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    4 days ago
  • Passing the buck
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • India a major player in Earth observation satellites
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    SciBlogsBy Duncan Steel
    5 days ago
  • The rot at the top (2).
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    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    5 days ago
  • Common misconceptions about “Global Warming”
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    An average kiwiBy
    5 days ago
  • A climate of tyranny
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Collins crushes climate
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    SciBlogsBy Robert McLachlan
    5 days ago
  • More disappointment
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • What do these mother-child studies really say about fluoridation?
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    5 days ago
  • Losing Labour’s Mills-Tone.
    Nothing Left To Say: Labour's pollster, Stephen Mills, remains swaddled-up in the comforting myths of the 1980s. As if the experience of Roger Douglas’s genuinely radical post-Muldoon policy agenda was literally a once-in-a-lifetime thing – as much as the party could possibly absorb for at least the next 50 years.MEMO ...
    5 days ago
  • Speaker: Disability and the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Historical Abuse
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    5 days ago
  • Spain is not a democracy
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • UK Conservatives hate democracy
    With an unfair voting system, uneven electorates and an un-elected upper house, the UK's "democracy" is barely worthy of the name. But now the government wants to make it worse:The government has been accused of suppressing voters’ rights with the potential disenfranchisement of tens of thousands of people after plans ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • What is wrong with our building industry?
    Back in the 90's and early 2000's, the building industry was building leaky homes which should never have been granted consent. Now it turns out they've been building dodgy office blocks as well:New imaging technology has revealed hundreds of major buildings nationwide have defective or missing concrete or reinforcing steel. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Local bodies
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • A future of government
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    SciBlogsBy Robert Hickson
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Catalonia, interrupted
    Two years have now gone by since the Friday afternoon when my university-student son and I headed out of our Barcelona flat to a nearby primary school, designated as a polling station for the vote that was to be held the following Sunday: the referendum on Catalonia’s independence from Spain ...
    1 week ago
  • Sage Decisions Unwisely Over-Ruled.
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    1 week ago
  • Government may ban voting in effort to get more people to do it
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    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Woman: Deleted.
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    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • The Hollowest of Men Ride Again… SURPRISE!
    Musings continue apace about “the experienced businessman!” soon to be taking up a National Party MP position. Or to be more accurate, being parachuted into a seat to shut down their former MP Jamie-Lee Ross, who despite his own shortcomings shed at least some more light on the inner workings ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    1 week ago
  • Barbaric
    The Ugandan government wants to murder gay people:Uganda has announced plans to impose the death penalty on homosexuals. The bill, colloquially known as “Kill the Gays” in Uganda, was nullified five years ago on a technicality, but the government said on Thursday it plans to resurrect it within weeks. The ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Is this study legit? 5 questions to ask when reading news stories of medical research
    Hassan Vally, La Trobe University Who doesn’t want to know if drinking that second or third cup of coffee a day will improve your memory, or if sleeping too much increases your risk of a heart attack? We’re invested in staying healthy and many of us are interested in reading ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • Fighting Monsters.
    Freedom Of Speech? The Säuberung (cleansing by fire) was the work of the German Student Union which, on 10 May 1933, under the watchful eye of the Nazi Reichminister for Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels, consigned 25,000 books to the flames in a ritual exorcism of “un-German thought”. According to the logic of the ...
    1 week ago
  • The next wave of kaupapa Māori politics: its constitutional, it must be.
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    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    1 week ago
  • Night lights of NZ from orbit
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    SciBlogsBy Duncan Steel
    1 week ago
  • Reporters deliver uplifting news to fleeing Japanese residents: they won’t miss any rugby
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    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Government in contentious discussions about whether to put surplus on red or black
    Regional Development Minister Shane Jones is the only Cabinet member in favour of putting it all on green. As Finance Minister Grant Robertson finds himself with an enormous $7.5 billion surplus, the Government has begun intense, at times contentious conversations about whether to put the money on red or black at ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Jordanian teachers’ successful strike has lessons for here
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    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Why some people still think climate change isn’t real
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    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • The SIS unlawfully spied on Nicky Hager
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • October 2019 – Newsletter ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    1 week ago
  • And they wonder why we think they’re environmental vandals…
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Paying the price in California
    Last year, California burned. This year, to stop it happening again (or rather, to stop themselves from being found liable if it happens again), Pacific Gas and Electric is cutting power to half the state for a week:Schools are closed. Traffic lights down. Tunnels dark. Businesses unopened. Hospitals running on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Let’s Hear It For Up-Close-And-Personal, Hard-Copy Democracy!
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    1 week ago
  • 10/10: World Day Against the Death Penalty
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Talking Freer Lives: a Marxist gender-critical perspective from Australia
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    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Government spin accepted by union leadership
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    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Forbidden Thoughts
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    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Much love to my loyal Ukrainian readership
    For some reasons, my post about the mystery message from inside the Downing Street bunker seemed to catch people's attention.  Quite a lot of hits from NZ (unsurprisingly) and the USA (a bit more puzzlingly, but hi there, USAians!!) and 76 views from the Ukraine.I've celebrated my Ukrainian readers in ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Another day of bonkers GNUmours (again, sorry)
    First, almost a score of Labour MPs seem to have sent a letter to the EU basically begging them to accept a deal - any deal - just so Britain can get the Heck on with Brexiting instead of being trapped in limbo:
    To avoid no deal, deliver on the ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour vs working class immigrants – again!
    by Phil Duncan In 2016 the National-led government suspended the Parent Visa Category, through which migrants were able to bring their parents into New Zealand.  Since then over 5,700 people have been in immigration limbo, stuck on the visa wait list. Labour is now bringing back the scheme.  Well, sort ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Speak Up for Women press statement: on Massey University and Feminism 2020
    The following was released yesterday (Tues, October 8) by the women’s liberation organisation Speak Up for Women. On 23 September Speak Up For Women announced that we would be holding an event at the Massey University Theaterette in Wellington. The event is called Feminism 2020. The intention of the event ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Farmers support dirty rivers
    The government is currently consulting on plans to improve freshwater quality. So naturally, farmers oppose it:South Taranaki farmers are preparing to fight proposed national freshwater changes that some fear will bankrupt them. The Government's proposed National Environment Standard on Freshwater Management, released in September, rated the Waingongoro River as one ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • No-one cares about local government
    Yesterday was the last day for (reliably) posting your vote away in local body elections. Turnouts are mostly much lower than the equivalent time last year (Palmerston North is down 2.3%), and so naturally people are pushing their online-voting snake oil again. Because the online census worked so well, lets ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • The political ghosts of eugenics may matter more than the genetic
    This essay, on the political legacy of the eugenics movement, by Kenan Malik was originally published in the Observer on 6 October 2019, under the headline ‘The spirit of eugenics is still with us, as immigrants know to their cost’. Birth control. Intelligence tests. Town planning. Immigration controls. It’s striking how ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • “Surplus” again
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Inside the Downing Street bunker
    James Forsyth at The Spectator (I know, I know) has tapped one of his contacts inside Number Ten for an insight into the Johnson administration's thinking and strategy.It is fascinating, unsettling and quite, quite mad.  Some key points:Negotiations have stalled and the Johnson administration are keen to blame the EU: ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Taking Control Of The Nation’s Story.
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    2 weeks ago
  • Are GNUs extinct?
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    2 weeks ago
  • Labour chickens out again
    When the government was elected, it promised to lead the way on electric vehicles, and specifically to make the government vehicle fleet emissions-free where-practicable by 2025.They lied:There are 15,473 vehicles in the government fleet and only 78 are electric. When the coalition Government came into power in late 2017, the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Transgender extremism, violence at work against feminist meeting at British Labour Party conference
    by Nick Rogers The debate around the meaning of sex and gender made an appearance at this year’s British Labour Party conference in Brighton. Women’s Place UK – an organisation that questions the demand that biological males who self-identify as woman should have access to women’s spaces, to all-women shortlists, ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago

  • Methane reducing cattle feed one step closer
    The Government today announced its support for a project that could substantially reduce agricultural greenhouse gas emissions from cattle. The announcement was made as part of Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s and Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor’s visit to Nelson’s Cawthron Aquaculture Park. The Cawthron Institute will receive $100,000 from the Government’s ...
    2 days ago
  • Bill to refresh superannuation system passes first reading
    Social Development Minister Carmel Sepuloni has welcomed the first reading of the New Zealand Superannuation and Veteran’s Pension Legislation Amendment Bill. “Every New Zealander has a stake in New Zealand Superannuation and Veteran’s Pension,” says Carmel Sepuloni. “They are our most common form of social assistance – nearly 800,000 New ...
    2 days ago
  • Government announces next steps in fight against measles
    Babies in Auckland aged six months and over can receive a free vaccination and children will all have access to vaccines, Associate Minister of Health Julie Anne Genter announced today at Papatoetoe High School.   The move comes as part of Government efforts to step up the fight against measles. ...
    2 days ago
  • Speech to the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs, Pacific Futures: Connections, Identity...
    ***Check against delivery*** Good morning. It is a pleasure to be here, and to have the honour of opening this important conference on behalf of the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs. Let us take the opportunity to acknowledge all the people who have helped make today possible, including our special ...
    2 days ago
  • Police trial new response to high risk events
    Police Minister Stuart Nash says the safety of frontline officers and members of the public will be the focus of a new trial of specialist Police response teams in three of our largest urban centres. Police have this morning released details of an initiative to be trialled in Counties Manukau, ...
    2 days ago
  • New awards celebrate fisheries sustainability
    The Minister of Fisheries is calling for entries for a new public award to celebrate innovation in our seafood sector. “I have established the Seafood Sustainability Awards to recognise and celebrate those throughout industry, tangata whenua and communities who demonstrate outstanding dedication and innovation towards the sustainability of New Zealand’s ...
    2 days ago
  • More progress for women and we can do more
    Minister for Women Julie Anne Genter welcomes leaders in the private sector taking action on closing their gender pay gaps to ensure a fairer workplace for all New Zealanders. Ms Genter today launched a new report, Addressing the gender pay gap and driving women’s representation in senior leadership, from the Champions for ...
    2 days ago
  • Proposals to curb environmental damage help our coasts and the oceans
    Government Ministers today welcomed the release of a marine environment report highlighting the four key issues affecting our oceans, estuaries and coastlines.  The release underlines the importance of government proposals to combat climate pollution, ensure clean freshwater, protect biodiversity, make land use more sustainable, and reduce waste and plastic.    Environment ...
    3 days ago
  • New mental health facility for Waikato
    The Government has approved funding for a new acute mental health facility for Waikato which will provide better care and support to people with mental health and addiction issues. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Health Minister Dr David Clark announced the $100 million project to replace the aging Henry Rongomau ...
    3 days ago
  • 500 new te reo Māori champions in our classrooms
    The Government is making progress on its goal to integrate te reo Māori into education by 2025, with over 500 teachers and support staff already graduating from Te Ahu o te Reo Māori,  Associate Education Minister Kelvin Davis announced today. Kelvin Davis made the announcement at an awards ceremony in Waikanae today, for ...
    3 days ago
  • Minister James Shaw welcomes 2018 Census first release
    Statistics Minister James Shaw has welcomed the first release of 2018 Census data. The first release of data today, 23 September, includes key data on population, regional growth, the number of homes and the size of different ethnic groups in New Zealand. Data from the 2018 Census will support the ...
    3 days ago
  • Driving transparency, ethics and accountability in government use of algorithms
    Minister for Statistics James Shaw today announced a public consultation on a proposed algorithm charter for government agencies. The charter has been developed by the Government Chief Data Steward in response to growing calls for more transparency in government use of data. Computer algorithms – procedures or formulas for solving ...
    3 days ago
  • New Zealand and the Netherlands working together on climate change
    Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor, Climate Change Minister James Shaw and visiting Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte co-hosted a business roundtable in Auckland this morning focused on working together to address climate change.  “The Netherlands is an important partner for New Zealand. We share a strong agricultural history. Sustainable agribusiness and ...
    3 days ago
  • Protecting fairness for workers and businesses
    The Government is taking action to build an inclusive economy where more of us receive our fair share at work and businesses can compete on great products and services, not undercutting wages and conditions, Immigration and Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Iain Lees-Galloway says. Two consultations launched today seek feedback ...
    3 days ago
  • Indigenous Freshwater Fish Bill Passes
    The future for New Zealand’s threatened indigenous freshwater fish looks brighter with the passing of the Conservation (Indigenous Freshwater Fish) Amendment Bill in Parliament today said Minister of Conservation, Eugenie Sage. “Until now, our freshwater fish legislation has been 20 years out of date. We have lacked effective tools to ...
    4 days ago
  • Kiwis to take part in world’s biggest earthquake drill
    At 1.30pm tomorrow, hundreds of thousands of Kiwis will join about 65 million people around the globe in ShakeOut, the world’s biggest earthquake drill. The annual drill is to remind people of the right action to take during an earthquake which is to Drop, Cover, Hold, and to practise their ...
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  • Rising wages and low inflation supporting Kiwis
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