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National’s very bad day in the house

Written By: - Date published: 9:33 pm, October 30th, 2018 - 86 comments
Categories: national, paula bennett, same old national, Simon Bridges, winston peters - Tags:

Anyone watch question time today? Ever seen National look more sombre and quiet?

Exhibit A

Exhibit B

The use of the word “hoof” by Simon Bridges went down really badly.

You just have to look at Paula Bennett’s body language to wonder what was going on.

I have never seen Bridges or National look so subdued.

But Judith also had a bad day.

Are the barbeques getting fired up?

86 comments on “National’s very bad day in the house”

  1. toad 1

    Roasted JuCo or BBQ Soy-Mun on the barbeque, Micky?

    • mickysavage 1.1

      Don’t know toad. Maybe they are getting themselves ready to use the waka jumping law against JLR. But they sure looked sick on it.

      • soddenleaf 1.1.1

        Had Peters gone with the Nats they’d have gulp down on that smelly fish as soon as Sun broke.

  2. roy cartland 2

    Good god, that Q3 was excruciating. Give it up Simon, no one gives a shit!

  3. Ankerrawshark 3

    Loved Winnie burn of Judith Collins with attempting to table the UN document with how many countries in the world

  4. gsays 4

    winnie looking like the cat that got the cream.

  5. ianmac 5

    Guess what the clever Bridges’ first question will be tomorrow?

  6. Kevin 6

    Bridges takes flogging a dead horse to a whole new level. Even Bennett was hanging her head around half way through that exchange.

    • Cinny 6.1

      Nailed it Kevin.

    • gsays 6.2

      TuIt got to be like watching an eight year olds rugby game, where one side is thrashing the other.
      I wanted Mallard to intervene at half time and swap some players from one side to the other to even things up.

  7. I feel love 7

    Ouch, that’s a burn for Collins, but like most of those without any self awareness probably went right over her head. There may well be fair criticism of the Labour program but trolling and doxing a couple of NZrs is quite reprehensible, and makes anything else she says just ugly. I imagine she’s cemented a few of the rabid right but alienated some young soft voters. Collins is cunning, but stupid, no wonder she’s a National high flyer.

  8. patricia bremner 8

    Tatty Teflon anyone?

  9. AsleepWhileWalking 9

    WTF…the first video about the criminals including rapists and murderers let into NZ under National.

    Sickening and needs to be made very public. Nationals Immigration Minister should be ashamed.

    • Herodotus 9.1

      Both govts SHOULD be ashamed of their decision making.
      Not sure if NZ1 supporters will take kindly to their leader defending this ..
      And the caveats are just a joke “The conditions include not getting convicted of any offence in the next five years, not using any fraudulent IDs and not providing any Government agency with false or misleading information.”
      s://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/10/immigration-minister-iain-lees-galloway-reveals-karel-sroubek-s-residency-conditions.html
      And then this
      Lees-Galloway says he’s made his decision and he’s standing by it, given the information he considered when he made it.
      So has he received additional information that would/could have changed his decision ?
      Also not sire if Judith feels she has lost her mantle of being the most despicable chick within Nat after PB crap display of recent times, has feels she has to regain her title ?

      • Dukeofurl 9.1.1

        “not providing any Government agency with false or misleading information”

        Cant you read between the lines :
        hes ‘assisting the police/customs with inquires, and likely will be in witness protection.

      • AsleepWhileWalking 9.1.2

        Can we just make a blanket ban on residency on known murderers and rapists?

        Otherwise we’ll end up with Aussie rejects.

  10. Ad 10

    God that was fun with Twyford and Collins

  11. Observer Tokoroa 11

    The brassy gutter Evil that is Judith

    National has a flair for voting the weakest, the most slovenly and unstable leaders into positions of importance;

    So when Judith Collins becomes the Leader of the Opposition she will have to explain why she deliberately accused France of passing Laws that allow unlimited sex between adults and children.

    REf: Stuff Henry Cooke18:16, Aug 06 2018

    “Senior National MP Judith Collins is standing by a tweet linking to an article that made false claims about France’s age of consent laws.

    The YourNewsWire.Com article was headlined “France Passes Law Saying Children Can Consent To Sex With Adults”. In fact, France has just passed a law that made it far easier to charge adults who had sex with children under 15 with rape. It has strengthened its consent laws, not weakened them. ”

    In other words Judith has yet again lied. She joins the national long daisy chain of unworthy persons to be in New Zealand’s Parliament.

  12. Chris T 12

    Winston was on fire there yesterday

    The interesting bit I noticed from that is he seems to be trying to twist Ardern’s promise to not add another regional fuel tac while she is PM, to only this term.

    Tough luck Winnie. It ain’t what she said

    • Dukeofurl 12.1

      yes Winston had the numbers-

      Previous government overturned 108 deportation orders and then from 2014 decided to hide so delegated the responsibility to officials.

  13. Wayne 13

    On the the issue of KiwiBuild and Twyford and Collins, I am pretty sure Judith has won. Maybe not in Parliament. I didn’t actually watch the question but frankly it doesn’t matter in terms of public perception.

    The public has seen a couple that Labour put up as their media stars are anything but middle income, and who have huge income potential. Buying a 4 bedroom house at age 24 is surely not what KiwiBuild is primarily about. Ask anyone about that.

    Surely the Labour media marvens could have come up with a more appropriate couple. Perhaps slightly older, with children and with more average jobs.

    I know that Kiwibuild is not really for low income families, who are more likely to be the core target for the new State rentals. I get it that Kiwibuild is largely for middle income families, especially in a market as high priced as Auckland. That has been the case of these kinds of state encouraged house build programmes for decades. Labour should have had as their “media stars”, a family smack in the middle of the middle income range.

    • ScottGN 13.1

      I think the take-out for most people is distaste really at the way that JC went after the couple online and laughing at her for not getting the meme. Still, since it looks like the leadership battle for National is starting to hot up between her and Mark Mitchell any attention is good publicity.
      It’s maven too, by the way, not marven.

    • mac1 13.2

      “Surely the Labour media marvens could have come up with a more appropriate couple. Perhaps slightly older, with children and with more average jobs.”

      A very revealing comment, Wayne. So, it’s all about PR, is it, and management to the point where those eligible are chosen for their profile?

      Maybe that’s why the National Party is in crisis.

      A bit like Australian cricket. Culture and leadership, poor selection and management, ‘win at all costs’ mentality and arrogance born from a sense of entitlement, and now we are seeing poor performance under pressure and the middle order exposed………

    • Cinny 13.3

      Wayne, judy wouldn’t even go on morning report today to defend her tweeting.

      If she was ‘winning’ as you seem to think, then surely she would have jumped at the chance to be on the wireless this morning.

    • Dukeofurl 13.4

      Thats because the other Kiwibuild owners were, as Twyford explained on RNZ- but you werent listening

      “Also in the first group of buyers in the KiwiBuild homes in Papakura were a student, a warehouse worker, a concrete worker, nurses, a student and a stay-at-home mum – people who’d previously been locked out of the housing market.”

      The couple who did take part in the media opening find they are under attack from National – who dig into their background to name and shame.
      https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/369777/phil-twyford-kiwibuild-owners-a-slice-of-middle-new-zealand

    • Enough is Enough 13.5

      “Surely the Labour media marvens could have come up with a more appropriate couple. Perhaps slightly older, with children and with more average jobs”

      Unfortunately there will not be many Kiwibuild owners who fit that description because people on average incomes will never be able to afford Twyford’s houses.

      The people they put up will be the standard Kiwibuild winner – unless of course the policy is changed soon to be something for ordinary Kiwis.

      • Wayne 13.5.1

        Enough is Enough

        Actually plenty of middle income couples could afford KiwiBuild houses of the type advertised in the weekend. Dukeofurl has pointed out that reality.

        Tradespeople, police officers, nurses, teachers, etc all earn around $70,000 to $80,000 by their late twenties and early thirties. Many of them will have a 10% deposit, particularly using KiwiSaver.

        The weekly repayments on a ANZ, 30 year mortgage of $550,000 is $674. This is similar to rent for a 3 bedroom home in Auckland. If say the family income is $120,000 (one full time earner, one part time earner) then the mortgage is around 30% of take home pay. That can be afforded. High, but manageable.

        I know that Standardnistas will think Judith lost on this. But I disagree, based on what I hear on talkback, and just talking to friends.

        Probably Twyford’s qualifying criteria are wrong. The income level is too high, the max should be $160,000, and priority should be given to families with children (maybe it is?).

        • adam 13.5.1.1

          I was under the impression the priority was for families with children, or those who were planning to have children soon.

        • rhinocrates 13.5.1.2

          based on what I hear on talkback, and just talking to friends.

          Solipsistic as ever.

        • Dukeofurl 13.5.1.3

          It was a ballot !

          Its not a selection panel method.

          Where did it say ‘families with children would have priority’
          However this was the only priority mentioned which covered the actual ballot process

          “There is a provision for a “priority ballot” which it is understood may be used to allow residents who live already in the area of a development a better shot at buying one of the homes.”

          https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/105316140/kiwibuilds-in-auckland-unaffordable-for-many-govt-analysis-shows

        • woodart 13.5.1.4

          listening to shoutback radio isnt a great way of being informed of a multicultural country. mostly angry/sad old white men with an axe to grind and chips on both shoulders. of course you can throw in a hone carter to fire up the rednecks….

          • Wayne 13.5.1.4.1

            The trouble is there is virtually no way to get completely representative instant feedback. All blog sites are highly politicised, radio talk back is not that representative, though it is much more so on Radio Live than on ZB.

            So in large measure, you have to go by your instincts.

            My main point is that (in my view) most New Zealanders would have expected KiwiBuild buyers to be pretty representative of middle New Zealand, and in fact most KiwiBuild buyers probably are. A young couple in their early twenties with obviously very good jobs are probably not the archetype KiwiBuild buyers envisaged by most New Zealanders.

            In my view the criteria need to be tightened up. If there isn’t a priority for children, then there should be. Probably the max income level is too high. Trim it back a bit. The higher end income people can buy on the private market.

        • Ankerrawshark 13.5.1.5

          What I hear on talkback and talking to friends…….says everything Wayne. It’s called selective attention.

          Personally ithink National are in a very weak position criticizing labour over housing….ffs. It’s like someone who has never lifted a finger around the house having the gall to start criticizing someone whose rolled up their sleeves and is trying to tackle the mess.

          Btw I think it’s great a couple, one of whom is a dr got a decent home to own…good on them

        • Ankerrawshark 13.5.1.6

          So with a bit of tweaking you would support KiwiBuild Wayne?

          Twyford made the point in the parliament yesterday that the people who meet the eligibility criteria have 50% of the children in this country.

          Oh also viscous cycle where have to have two incomes to save for a deposit so hard to stop working to have a family. For all we know KiwiBuild couple pregnant, but none of our business

          • Wayne 13.5.1.6.1

            Ankerrawshark

            Basically, I do support KiwiBuild.

            In fact National had something like it already. For instance Northcote, Hobsonville, Tamaki and McLennan Park. All done under National. But they will all be completed under Labour, no doubt with some changes.

            It is a good thing that Labour has expanded the house building programme for middle income New Zealanders. But they need to keep it to middle New Zealanders. Tweaking the eligibility criteria will do that.

            National was too slow in recognising the housing problem for middle New Zealanders. And it was probably a key factor in National not doing as well as they could have in the last election. Close, but no cigar.

            • Ankerrawshark 13.5.1.6.1.1

              Thanks for your reply Wayne.

              So much to be done for so many re decent housing in New Zealand

      • mpledger 13.5.2

        Even if the “wrong” people are getting kiwibuild homes, it still frees up a house that they would have bought as an alternative. And if it takes 10 attempts to buy a house then just one couple out of the market helps take out some heat and desperation.

        And I don’t know that they are very wrong because they are coming up to the prime child bearing years. Going down to a single or part-time income would be a strain.

      • patricia bremner 13.5.3

        Enoughisenough Your argument is not upheld by the other successful ballot winners who totally fit ordinary kiwis, or didn’t you read that far?

        • Enough is Enough 13.5.3.1

          Yeah right

          Then why was this undeserving couple wheeled out.

          Just a PR cock up was it?

      • woodart 13.5.4

        unfortunatley ,its past the time for ordinary(?) kiwis to afford a new house. unless the gov confiscates land held by land bankers to use;s it for the public good, and fletchers and others slash their margins on materials. sounds like a good idea though……..

    • Liberty4NZ 13.6

      The Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac disaster showed us that lending to people who can’t afford to service a mortgage will probably end in disaster. Mass building of rent-to-own state houses would be a much better solution.

  14. WeTheBleeple 14

    [Please keep the language temperate – MS]

  15. Ankerrawshark 15

    Well Wayne i think people are just as like to remember a young couple having to take their social media down and an MP nastiness being part of that. Your team allowed the housing crisis to grow like a weed. You sat on your backsides until a tv channel exposed what was happening with people sleeping in cars and then only acted because you didn’t want to lose votes,……shame on you and national.

    • ScottGN 15.1

      And even then the solution was to spend a bloody fortune renting motel rooms. National would do almost anything it seems, to avoid actually building houses.

      • Dukeofurl 15.1.1

        Found this earlier!
        “The Green Party’s own analysis of a Question for Written Answer shows that Housing NZ only built a net total of 125 new dwellings from 2009 to 2017.”

  16. Ed 16

    13th December.
    Tick tick tick….

    • mary_a 16.1

      Hi Ed (16) … yep, Dec 13 should be a very entertaining day. Parliament winding up, allowing party leaders to have their say.

      Be interesting what the leader of the new Independent party will say. Being the smallest party in Parliament of only one MP, no doubt he realises he will be last to speak, with a shorter allocated time than other party leaders.

      With that in mind, the Independent leader could make his speech quick, sharp and to the point, striking Natz by the fastest and most potent means he can muster, given the time allowed!

      Watching faces and body language of Natz MPs should be the highlight of the day I’d say. But that’s only if JLR chooses to shoot them down in one sharp cutting hit!

  17. R.P Mcmurphy 17

    Personally I am taking time out from Channel 31 as the trolls have cut me off from commenting on FB for a week. Nice people these genuine believers in the democratic process. anyway as government members never tire from pointing out the nationals party had nine long years to do something, anything and failed miserably and the realisation that now they are totally impotent has finally sunk home and as they are great going forward they are useless on defence. Will someone kick me for using another stupid rugby cliche!

  18. WeTheBleeple 18

    It’s their line up that sucks. A wee bit short. I’m sure they have great ball handling skills though.

  19. Wow the gnats look and sound broken. No leadership, polls dropping, horrible behaviours and personalities coming out – oh dear what s pity lol.

  20. cleangreen 20

    Winnie won – Collins lost 100%

  21. Me 21

    I’m glad I don’t have to listen to that drivel all day.

  22. ankerawshark 22

    Hey just a question about the return of Jami-Lee. Does he still have parliamentary privilege if he gives a press release stand up in the corridors? Or is he only covered in the house.

    • Enough is Enough 22.1

      In the House

      If he doesn’t repeat it outside the House then assume hes talking bullshit

      • Dukeofurl 22.1.1

        No . Repeating it outside the House means the media wont repeat it – even if true- as Bridges has his defamation lawyers ready to shut it down.

        So far Ross has had recordings and stored txt messages to back up his story. hes been telling ‘more truth’ than Bridges has!

  23. Carolyn_Nth 23

    Bridges looks out of his depth. He kept digging when he should have moved on.

    However, the Twyford vid just confirmed for me the view I’ve held for a while. Nats are the party of the top 10% and love housing inequalities and bubbles. Labour has become the party that primarily address the concerns of the middle classes, while trying also to appease the businesses classes. The struggling low income classes are the last cab off the rank for Labour.

    On this, I agree with Bradbury’s post on TDB today.

    • patricia bremner 23.1

      Carolyn, ‘the struggling low income classes are the last cab off the rank’
      what about the 2500 social houses? Don’t you rate those?
      Also, the cost of Kiwi build outside Auckland will be half those quoted prices, meaning similar to renting in mortgage costs.

      • Rosemary McDonald 23.1.1

        Looking at available latest Housing NZ stats they have 72 fewer stock units….

        Click to access Managed-stock-statistics-March-2017.pdf

        Click to access Managed-Stock-June-2018.pdf

        Perhaps there are other sources of info?

        • Dukeofurl 23.1.1.1

          Thats right.
          However it only includes HCNZ managed properties, large swaths of State houses are managed by ‘others’

          Tamaki Housing in Auckland who have 2800 houses
          https://www.tamakiregeneration.co.nz/affordable-homes
          They do have new houses for sale , some under shared ownership

          2 years ago the Salvos did a count and found , including social housing providers,
          ..from around 69,000 in 2009 to 67,282 in 2016.

          The Green Party’s own analysis of a Question for Written Answer shows that Housing NZ only built a net total of 125 new dwellings from 2009 to 2017.
          https://www.greens.org.nz/news/press-release/salvation-army-report-confirms-national%E2%80%99s-role-housing-crisis

          • Rosemary McDonald 23.1.1.1.1

            “However it only includes HCNZ managed properties, large swaths of State houses are managed by ‘others’”

            Oh. Okay. So what are the 1400 or so stock units managed by ‘Community Group Housing’ in the HNZC stats?

            So glad you brought up Alan Johnson’s fine report from last year…we should all read it and weep. https://www.salvationarmy.org.nz/sites/default/files/uploads/20170814spputakingstockreport.pdf

            And hang on to our hankies as we read Alan Johnson’s opinion about Kiwibuild…https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2018/10/08/must-read-exclusive-call-it-kiwibuild-but-it-is-still-gentrification/

            “It is not altogether clear what problem or challenge KiwiBuild is meant to address and it may be possible that the programme’s biggest shortcoming is in its conception as an idea. It seems odd that a left-of-centre government should be so enthusiast about playing developer and selling off the parts of the public housing estate for private housing. This is especially so in the middle of a housing shortage and growing public housing waiting lists.

            Not only is this odd but there is a chance that what the Government is busy doing in building ‘modest affordable KiwiBuild for first home buyers’ at $650K a shot is to crowd out private sector development activity. In other words these houses may have been built anyway but the state with its land holdings and financial muscle decided to build them instead.

            Much has been made by Government that its $2 billion investment in KiwiBuild will leverage a further $5.4 billion in housing investment from the private sector. However it is by no means clear how this will happen. ”

            And then there’s that other guy involved with housing the homeless…he’s a tad concerned too…

            https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/10/25/291004/kiwibuild-a-community-trainwreck

            ““For instance, in Māngere – just one of many projects that the Government is working on at the moment – 2700 state homes are going to be demolished and 3000 state homes are going to be rebuilt, but in a third of the land area.

            “The other two-thirds are going to be KiwiBuild and affordable.

            “By my estimations, in 2700 homes there now, there’s probably 12,000 to 15,000 people in those homes. Multiply that to be 10,000 homes [on the site in total] and we’re looking at 25,000 to 30,000 people living on the same land mass.

            “That’s 30,000 human beings of different cultures, different religions, differing values and life, living in the same space as 12,000 people used to.

            “The Government says it’s got it sorted. Housing New Zealand will be resourced to meet this intensification and for staff to deal with high and complex tenants who are allocated off the top 5 percent of the housing register – in other words, our community’s most vulnerable.

            “I would suggest … this model will become a community trainwreck in three to five years,””

            Thanks for reminding me of Alan Johnson’s report from last year Dukeofurl, always useful to revisit these papers as an adjunct to an author’s most recent work. 🙂

            • Dukeofurl 23.1.1.1.1.1

              Community group ? Thats a good question which I was curious about.

              https://www.hnzc.co.nz/working-with-us/community-group-housing/
              “wide range of organisations that provide residential and non residential community housing for”:

              people who experience mental or psychiatric illness
              people who have physical and intellectual disabilities
              residential alcohol and drug services
              women, men and children seeking refuge
              families (including those who need emergency housing)
              support for youth/children at risk; or
              prisoner reintegration

  24. mary_a 24

    Natz MP’s smacked arse faces will be due to the fact of Jamie-Lee Ross going back to Parliament as an Independent MP, particularly the thought of him being allocated speaking time (although shorter) along with other leaders on Dec 13, the final day of Parliament prior to the summer recess.

    Ross could speak out then, or leave it until Parliament restarts again next year, giving Natz MPs a few sleepless nights over their summer break.

    Oh dear, what a shame, never mind!

    • Dukeofurl 24.1

      You have to wonder if the glum faces in National are because their ‘audit’ has come back and found plenty more ‘arranged donations’ under the $15k disclosure limit.
      And JLR knows about most of them.! Sad .

      back in 2002 there was funny money even then, when ‘disclosure’ was just a door that couldnt shut and they had the SFO involved
      Explains Fran O’sullivan
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=1992489

      Two other donations, totalling $250,000, were also placed in the trust fund of former National Party president Geoff Thompson’s Wellington legal firm in March 1996 before being transferred to the party’s campaign fund in June, three months later.

      Boag was threatning anybody from the party, who squealed, with expulsion

  25. Cinny 25

    Sheez here we go again, it’s like a repeat of Q1 from yesterday.

    simon do you have any new questions or material at all? Anything? Didn’t think so.

  26. Mr Marshy 26

    If anyone really thinks what Collins did was bullying, then they are clearly clueless around social media. Re-tweeting is not bullying. But getting back to the real issue, the farce of Kiwibuild is being exposed at every episode in its struggling life. First commitments around the completion dates for houses gets moved out. Then they bring in buying off plans to boost numbers. Note, these houses would have been built anyway. Then we finally get the first luck 18 lottery style winners only to realise this shows this smoke screen program is not going to help those low paid labour supporters who bought into pipe dream, but well healed, almost affluent you could say, professional couples with no kids who benefit. Look forward to the champagne socialist comrades comments who tell me im a Tory troll. Its called reality

    • mickysavage 26.1

      Wow a cut and paste of right wing talking points.

      • McFlock 26.1.1

        I suspect the purchasers being “well healed” is the result of Labour’s work improving the health system.

      • Mr Marshy 26.1.2

        Erm not really. And you just cemented the view of socialists. Anyone who doesnt agree with your narrow minded dogma cant think for themselves. That is why you on the left will always be out of touch with reality and trying to fix problems that dont exist. And control peoples lives. You are quite sad , really.

    • Dukeofurl 26.2

      “Note, these houses would have been built anyway”

      Point to any paddock around Auckland and could say , in time, there will be houses there.
      We cant wait 15 years for more houses, we need them in 5 years.

      The Kiwibuild location in Papakura/Takaanini is a good example, that area was slowly building houses – on land sold by HCNZ who put the roads and services in-

      And when was this sold to builders ( by national) for ‘houses that were going to be built anyway’
      back in 2013

      • Mr Marshy 26.2.1

        You have just agreed with the fallacy that is Kiwibuild, taking things that were going to happen and claiming some kind of praise for doing it.

    • I feel love 26.3

      It’s bullying because of the power imbalance between an MP and private citizens. Typical that right wingers can’t see that. But all good, Collins got burnt and had her ignorance shown up, she’s a bit of a running joke isn’t she?

      • Mr Marshy 26.3.1

        Where is there a power imbalance on twitter ! Typical left wingers always think the ‘down trodden man’ is somehow worse off. Twitter does not respect or recognize a persons background, you do understand that? So by definition it is a level platform

        • I feel love 26.3.1.1

          There’s no power imbalance because Collins is on Twitter? Bad faith and bad politics baby. A level playing field? I havn’t heard that in awhile, I think the 90s want their out dated new right speak back, fallacy then, fallacy now. Thanks for explaining this new fangled internet Tweeter thingy, now lets get back to watching Bridges get his arse handed to him, again and Collins get owned, again.

          • Mr Marshy 26.3.1.1.1

            Ah, so your reply to my factual response, is to get hissy and act like a petulant child. No surprises there for a socialist

    • Fireblade 26.4

      Your wrong Marshy. Socialist Comrades drink Vodka, not Champagne.

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