Nats don’t believe their own education policy

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1. Kotahi Tāne Huna 1

   7 August 2012 at 12:30 pm

   Just one question: given that Key knew more about it than Banks from the outset, can we drop the pretence that Charter schools are an ACT policy?
   • Phaedrus 1.1

     7 August 2012 at 1:24 pm

     Yes please. It is known that the plans for charter schools were being developed in 2009 and were certainly well in place when the present Secretary for Education was appointed.
   • Mel 1.2

     7 August 2012 at 7:48 pm

     +1
2. Rodel 2

   7 August 2012 at 1:15 pm

   Q: Who said, “Under no circumstances will we as a government allow our children to be exposed to unregistered and unqualified teachers in New Zealand schools.” ?
   A: No-one so far.

   Just had a thought…It could be John Banks teaching your kids one day.
3. Georgy 3

   7 August 2012 at 1:18 pm

   national in govt do not have an education policy. They have a bungle of haphazard events.

   Charter schools were always nationals hidden agenda – and as an unpalatable policy they used Act to promote them.

   I think we are going to look back on this period of national in govt with amazement at the stupidity of how they have gone about things and disbelief that they could simply implement policy through edict.

   What a farcical lot.
   • Gosman 3.1

     7 August 2012 at 2:09 pm

     What policy have they implemented simply via edict?
     • North 3.1.1

       7 August 2012 at 7:19 pm

       The point that’s being made is that National rides into town, declares this, that, and the other thing broken…….implements “reforms”, spinning to the max about the wonderful results which will flow, while publicly denouncing practitioners in the area declared to be broken.

       Nek minnit………cock-up. The criminal legal aid “reforms” are a prime example. We were told that the changes would not only retain experienced lawyers within the criminal legal aid system but (get this) greater numbers of experienced lawyers would be attracted to criminal legal aid practice.

       Actual result……….many, many experienced criminal legal aid lawyers are ceasing legal aid practice. Only an idiot would contemplate joining. The criminal legal aid system is in crisis.

       The reverse of that which was promised is the current reality. In fact, it was so obvious that this would be the outcome I can only conclude that the public were cynically, deliberately lied to. I also wonder how much this own goal crap has cost to implement. I’m guessing it would be massive. To turn a silk purse into a sow’s ear. How clever of them all.
   • Gosman 3.2

     7 August 2012 at 2:09 pm

     What policy have they implemented simply via edict?

     Interesting double post there. I thought there was code in place to stop that sort of thing happening.
     • mike e 3.2.1

       7 August 2012 at 2:53 pm

       Gosman it doesn’t work with you you just keep spouting your same mantra and then shoot your self in thge foot aim a little higher and put yourself out of your misery
     • tracey 3.2.2

       7 August 2012 at 6:57 pm

       can you explain the apparent contradictions of the govt on education as referred to in the opening post?
   • Draco T Bastard 3.3

     7 August 2012 at 4:07 pm

     national in govt do not have an education policy. They have a bungle of haphazard events.

     That’s true of everything that NACT does and is, IMO, symptomatic of their ideological bias is policy formulation.
4. Georgy 4

   7 August 2012 at 1:20 pm

   BTW Banks would not have the intellectual capacity to understand something as complex as education policy. He simply relies on a few easy to remember catchphrases. And repeats them. Repeats them ! ! !
5. Dr Terry 5

   7 August 2012 at 1:47 pm

   Banks simply has no intellectual capacity, full stop! Key, as is increasingly common, wants to have things both ways. Charter Schools will employ every kind of crank to indoctrinate kids in fearsome philosophies!
   Let’s face it, the Tories fear an educated and enlightened populace. Consequently, their “policies”are anti educationalists (plus anti the interests of little children).
   • Kotahi Tāne Huna 5.1

     7 August 2012 at 4:11 pm

     re: “anti the interests of little children”

     This from the crimes act 1961:

     Defence against assault
     48Self-defence and defence of another
     Every one is justified in using, in the defence of himself or another, such force as, in the circumstances as he believes them to be, it is reasonable to use.
     Section 48: substituted, on 1 January 1981, by section 2(1) of the Crimes Amendment Act 1980 (1980 No 63).
6. Sunny 6

   7 August 2012 at 2:22 pm

   Anyone else see Rupert Murdoch’s fingerprints on this?
   • Gosman 6.1

     7 August 2012 at 2:26 pm

     No. Do you have any evidence for this view or is it just your paranoia?
   • Carol 6.2

     7 August 2012 at 2:28 pm

     No.

     But wondered why you thought that. Because of this?

     http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/feb/26/schools-crusade-gove-murdoch
     • mike e 6.2.1

       7 August 2012 at 2:54 pm

       +1
     • Sunny 6.2.2

       7 August 2012 at 4:10 pm

       Yep, thanks for linking Carol. If it happened in The US and UK why wouldn’t it happen here?
   • Murray Olsen 6.3

     7 August 2012 at 10:54 pm

     Yes. Murdoch wants a population only just literate enough to swap channels to Fox News. Neoliberal governments all over the world want to give it to him. Basically, they want to turn us all into Gooseman clones.
7. captain hook 7

   7 August 2012 at 2:27 pm

   what I cant fathom is how they can go around telling everyone that they are going to teach the worst kids with the cheapest teachers.
   I wish they would tell us all how they are going to accomplish that.
   and listening to banks on the radio the other day he was going on about charter schools being part of the defence force.
   I would like to hear what the defence department has to say about this too.
8. captain hook 8

   7 August 2012 at 2:48 pm

   dont flatter yourself.
   double posts mean you have just got a slippery finger.
   thats all.
   If you want rigid rules and a bit of stiffening then join a fascist party.
9. Maggie May 9

   7 August 2012 at 4:49 pm

   I understand this will be rolled out in the South Auckland Schools.

   Already you see John Keys government do not think it necessary to educate South Auckland kids, better to train them to go straight into the army, and who better to train them to look towards the army for a carreer that a heroic VC holder.
   This is very necessary as Americans don’t want their own sent to wars anymore so they have to cast around to find replacements to fight Americas wars for them.

   Remember America must have a war, their economy depends upon making the machines of war, if they don’t use them they can’t continue to make them, if they do not make them there is a whole pool of unemployed people in America.
10. marsman 10

    7 August 2012 at 8:16 pm

    Didn’t we have an article by Catherine Isaac in the DomPost very recently claiming loudly that Charter Schools were not ‘for profit’? Merely neoliberal-speak.
11. Tracey 11

    8 August 2012 at 10:18 am

    So in a nutshell, two men who sent their children to schools with low pupil teacher ratios and highly qualified teachers think it’s a great idea for other people’s children to have high class numbers and non qualified teachers?

    So when the nats are speaking in parliament, the opposition benches need to heckle them, particularly on education. Better still call out Perata to a debate on the crucial issue of the direction of NZ education, and then use the opening post in this thread as the basis of stripping down their lies/contradictions/BS. They won’t debate because they are defending the indefensible and actually dont care as much about education as they do about bottom lines.
12. Tracey 12

    8 August 2012 at 10:46 am

    Can someone give me an example of a Tui sign having a go at National or Act? I have a vague recollection of one, but am not sure. I know they have had a go at Len Brown in Auckland from time to time.

    I ask because

    higher class numbers are good for kids Yeah Right never got done
13. Cnut 13

    8 August 2012 at 9:32 pm

    ” School reform has generated a marketplace, and a profitable one at that. Michelle Rhee’s standard fee is $50,000 an appearance, plus expenses. In Michigan, Clark Durrant is paid over half a million dollars a year to run five charter schools. Eva Moskowitz, Geoffrey Canada and Deborah Kenney all make between four and five hundred thousand a year running their New York City charter school organizations.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/principals-our-struggle-to-be-heard-on-reform/2012/08/06/f459fc74-dff5-11e1-8fc5-a7dcf1fc161d_blog.html#pagebreak
    • Rodel 13.1

      19 August 2012 at 2:14 pm

      Cnut..the Washington Post article you cited says it all. Should be read by everyone concerned about proposed changes in our education system.
      a quote from the article…….
      “……Speakers at the conference identified several promising arenas for privatization. Education entrepreneur John Katzman urged investors to look for companies developing software that can replace teachers for segments of the school day, driving down labor costs. How do we use technology so that we require fewer highly qualified teachers?” asked Katzman, who founded the Princeton Review test-prep company and now focuses on online learning…..”

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