Networks of influence: Lobbyists

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1. Bunji 1

   19 June 2013 at 11:19 am

   Excellent – I’ve been meaning to post on this, glad you have!

   particularly concerning is this:

   Three former ministerial advisers are among those give easy-access cards in the past year: Air New Zealand’s Phil de Joux, who used to be John Key’s deputy chief of staff; Anadarko’s Anita Ferguson, who was Steven Joyce’s press secretary, and Fonterra’s Nicola Willis, who was an adviser and speech-writer for Mr Key.

   As NoRightTurn says “All three of these people are leveraging relationships built in government service for private gain … and raises the question of whether the advice they gave in their previous position was affected by their desire to gain outside employment”

   And if you look at Anadarko’s special no protest at sea bill, or even the strong support for government funded irrigation for dairy farmers, questions have to be raised.

   Other countries have proper registers of lobbyists (and their gifts), and you aren’t allowed to be a lobbyist for a period after being a public servant / politician. It seems right to have that wall in place.
   • karol 1.1

     19 June 2013 at 11:53 am

     Thanks, Bunji. Yes, those are important examples of how the Lobbyists operate. I should have linked to those egs, especially NRT’s post in my post. Will link to your commen.

     I was aiming to add a slightly different angle to the issue from the likes of NRT.
2. felix 2

   19 June 2013 at 11:20 am

   Why shouldn’t the neoliberal corporate elites have unfettered access to the government?

   They bought and paid for it after all.
   • tracey 2.1

     19 June 2013 at 11:26 am

     Yup, user pays
   • Winston Smith 2.2

     19 June 2013 at 12:50 pm

     so how about leftie lobbyists or don’t they count?
     • karol 2.2.1

       19 June 2013 at 12:52 pm

       WS, did you read the post on the overall balance of lobbyists?
       • Winston Smith 2.2.1.1

         19 June 2013 at 4:21 pm

         Yes, it was so biased and one-eyed towards right-leaning lobbyists that I wondered why even mention the left-leaning lobbyists

         Lobbyists, whether they’re left or right are a blight on the system but the left don’t like the right-wing lobbyists because the right-wing lobbyists are so much better then the left
         • felix 2.2.1.1.1

           19 June 2013 at 5:08 pm

           “Yes, it was so biased and one-eyed towards right-leaning lobbyists that I wondered why even mention the left-leaning lobbyists”

           As is the reality of the situation.
         • karol 2.2.1.1.2

           19 June 2013 at 5:35 pm

           Because I was focusing on the make up of the list as it is. And because, even though the neoliberals have done their best to undermine them, it shows there is still some power in a union.
3. Tom Gould 3

   19 June 2013 at 12:48 pm

   The problem for the left is that their ‘networks’ are really just echo-chambers filled with negative energy and rage. Which is why the are always on the losing end.
   • karol 3.1

     19 June 2013 at 12:51 pm

     Chicken or egg, Tom?
4. Ad 4

   19 June 2013 at 2:21 pm

   It would be worse to form policy about the economy without input from those who represent actors in the economy. Ministers make far too many ignorant decisions already – we need real access not less.

   Remember Helen Clark had to put much of her caucus through a major business charm exercise in her first term because they managed to get so far offside with them.

   She also formed the Growth and Innovation Advisory Board comprising some of New Zealand’s most powerful CE’s for direct advice on policy matters. They met monthly with substantial agendas, with senior Ministers. One of them was the head of the trade unions.

   Does it make any difference to the argument if the “lobbyists” are private or just in-house corporate affairs? If so why?

   While we don’t have to have as many courtiers as the Sun King, political governance in this country is so centralised, and after the sustained gutting of local government so narrow, that getting your face into Ministers and Deputy Secretaries is critical for doing business in this country.

   These vast networks are only a bad thing if you are either not in them or not able to work them. Otherwise they are utterly necessary.
   • karol 4.1

     19 June 2013 at 2:28 pm

     Remember Helen Clark had to put much of her caucus through a major business charm exercise in her first term because they managed to get so far offside with them

     Right there you touch on the main problem, Ad. This was the result of the corporates having so much power, the Labour Party courted them at the expense of the traditional Labour Party constituency.

     What part of democracy do you not understand? And why do you have so much faith that the business elites are acting in the interests of all?

     We all operate within networks. Some provide more access to elite power than others.
     • Ad 4.1.1

       19 June 2013 at 2:37 pm

       What I have seen of democracy is so many sham and cynical efforts at consultation that it is hardly surprising that people seek to circumvent public routes. Consider the cultural of consultation engendered through the original RMA and and 1989 Local Government reforms. Anyone disagree here?

       We were all sold a culture of communitarial decision-making. The sum total of it was that it left anyone trying to oppose anything even more burnt out and damanged than they would have been without the whole reform mess.

       Same in Select Committees. These are now a joke in which groups take the time and expese to fly in from all over the coutnry to try and make changes to stupid legislation, which are almost universally ignored, their public forum grandstanded over by the self-serving politicians, their dignity shredded in front of tv news cameras for all to see.

       So New Zealanders understand the version of democracy operating in New Zealand very well indeed.

       Other than business, the best lobbyists in this last two terms of government have been Maori seeking redress from Treaty of Waitangi violations.

       So cheers Karol your joyous ideals about democracy straight out of the West Wing bear no relation to New Zealand reality.

       If you don’t like the access that Sky City or Fonterra can get, go and knock on the door of Tanui or Ngati Whatua or Tuhoe. Figure it out.
       • karol 4.1.1.1

         19 June 2013 at 2:45 pm

         Show me evidence that the RMA is as bad as you say. It is flawed. Does that mean it should be made weaker so that it can serve the elites more adequately?

         Show me evidence that the government’s abuse of consultation works better for all Kiwis than select committee processes as originally intended.

         I am saying we are a long way from a real democracy. But this government is making things far worse.

         So, you’re saying, because we have a flawed democracy we should just give up and let the elites organisie things the way they want?
         • Ad 4.1.1.1.1

           19 June 2013 at 2:58 pm

           The intention of either the Local Government reforms, or RMA reforms, or the Select Committee reforms, is utterly irrelevant. If someone wants to reform them all and turn the entire ship of state to rights, go for it.

           Meantime, we’ve had this situation since 1989. That’s a generation: 24 years. Sunlight is always touted as the best disinfectant, but in fact public exposure is only best for public humiliation by media – with politicians using them as blood-seeking dogs.

           If you want to engage politicians and change their minds, since you seem incapable of taking hints, you will need at least one of these:

           – Have something they want. Either power, or your own network of influence, or a really solid media lead from a tv station, or campaign funding, or rarely, stunning research-based policy ideas that will crush all others.

           – Have a track record of trust with them, preferably personally. Deep and over a long time.

           Failing that;
           – Have a credible threat. Be able to block the roads with trucks, march on parliament in the thousands, pull cheques. Own a barrel of ink.
   • tracey 4.2

     20 June 2013 at 5:06 am

     Key cld never be accused of putting his caucus through an employee charm.
5. fambo 5

   19 June 2013 at 5:03 pm

   And then there are the simple phone calls – no swipe card needed.
6. Huginn 6

   19 June 2013 at 5:12 pm

   Hi Karol

   Sorry about the tangential relationship to the topic, but I thought you might be interested in this, from Turkey:

   In an emergency ruling, an Ankara court issued on Saturday a blanket ban on media reports covering claims that Turkey’s intelligence agency was sanctioned to troll massive amount of Turkish citizens’ personal data, including children’s school report cards.

   http://www.todayszaman.com/newsDetail_getNewsById.action?newsId=318449
7. unicus 7

   20 June 2013 at 5:41 am

   If “Information is the currency of democracy” (Thomas Jefferson ) Key’s gang is clearly skint
8. MC 8

   20 June 2013 at 10:46 am

   It is indeed deeply concerning to see this government so blatantly favouring their friends – largely male, white anglo-saxons I could add – rather than opening the door to some very prominent people. I can think of one who regularly has her views sought by major daily newspapers, and who is sought out by Ambassadors and High Commissioners who is not on this list.
9. Matthew Hooton 9

   20 June 2013 at 6:29 pm

   I could be wrong, but I don’t think these cards are “swipe cards”. I think they just give you the same access as senior officials – that you show them to the receptionist and get let through to the public areas without having to sign in. And, if you have a client with you, you still have to get the client signed in. When my former boss Lockwood Smith became Speaker, I asked for one and he approved it, but I never got round to picking it up because it never seemed important enough. So I think the main benefit of these cards, and the publicity given to them, is that people get to use them to promote themselves to their clients (if a consultant) or to their employers (if an employee).

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