New Zealand’s offer to accept some of Nauru’s refugees

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1. Draco T Bastard 1

   23 August 2018 at 12:57 pm

   If Dutton becomes Australian PM expect the normally close New Zealand Australia relationship to become strained.

   I can’t say that I’ve ever considered the Australia/NZ relationship to be close and the actions of Australia towards NZ over the decades has belied that assertion.
2. Michelle 2

   23 August 2018 at 1:09 pm

   He (Dutton) looks mean and nasty I hope he doesn’t win we have enough problems without having someone like him wielding power in Auz
   • RedLogix 2.1

     23 August 2018 at 1:15 pm

     You’re right. Dutton is only tolerated because he’s kept a lid on the vexed problem of illegal immigration. But there is close to zero chance Dutton will be PM. He’s been used as a Trojan Horse by the mad monk’s team to destabilise Turnbull, but once his usefulness has expired I doubt we’ll ever hear much about him. I could be wrong, but all is speculation at the moment, you never know quite what tricks this magic show could have up its sleeve right now.

     Far more likely someone like Scott Morrison or even Julie Bishop will have to step up as compromise candidates.
   • Tricledrown 2.2

     23 August 2018 at 1:23 pm

     Dutton is dangerous he claims New Zealand is free loading off Australia.
     But in reality we are paying way more than our fair share all the Australian owned businesses in NZ don’t pay any tax in NZ.
     It goes to the Australian govt the big four Banks/thieves take $5 billion in profit across the ditch so that alone looses NZ $1.5billion every year with all the other Company profits probably $5 to $6billion lost to Australia what do we get for that.
3. joe90 3

   23 August 2018 at 1:39 pm

   Australia; while Dutton is having another crack at PM, a 12 year old on Nauru is fighting for her life after attempting to set herself alight.

   https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/aug/23/nauru-self-harm-contagion-as-12-year-old-refugee-tries-to-set-herself-alight
   • RedLogix 3.1

     23 August 2018 at 2:03 pm

     The Liberals are moving to adjourn Parliament for the day because they have no PM and no Ministers. Looks like the Liberals will have a vote between Dutton and Morrison.
     • joe90 3.1.1

       23 August 2018 at 2:14 pm

       Been watching SkyNews and I’m wondering whether or not there’s any truth in this.

       "News corporations…are waging a war against the Prime Minister of Australia" – @CUhlmann #9Today pic.twitter.com/UaQBLTv0bQ— The Today Show (@TheTodayShow) August 22, 2018

       https://twitter.com/TheTodayShow/status/1032400773861138432
       • RedLogix 3.1.1.1

         23 August 2018 at 2:33 pm

         Almost certainly true. And the point about Trump’s cut-thru with ‘fake media’ is well made. Mostly I follow ABC , with a bit of news.com.au thrown in for variety.

         Good linky … thanks.
         • Exkiwiforces 3.1.1.1.1

           23 August 2018 at 4:26 pm

           Like me following the ABC News since I’ve been here with a wee bit of SBS, News.com, SMH while job hunting Sydney and I manly now read the Oz.
4. Ad 4

   23 August 2018 at 1:50 pm

   Yes that was great meeting to be at Mickey.

   However, Prime Minister Ardern should simply to increase New Zealand’s refugee quota rather than deliberately pissing off the Australian government pushing that Nauru offer in its face, particularly when we’re already at our lowest diplomatic point since Geoff Chappell bowled under arm to our cricket team in 1981.

   This is egregious posing on Ardern’s part.
   • greywarshark 4.1

     23 August 2018 at 4:38 pm

     What would be wise is to realise that Australians are below our level of goodwill to all men, which isn’t perfect anyway. After that we look for people who are taking in a quota of refugees and see if they will take in the Manus Island ones, and we will take in the quota that they would have accepted. They would understand that these were Muslims and not find that frightened the pants off them.

     That would get the present Manus Island people a chance at life and give this part of the western world a little lower position in a measure of countries in a list of the world’s bastards.
     • Ad 4.1.1

       23 August 2018 at 6:00 pm

       Until the National government increased it to 1,000 in 2016, New Zealand had been taking in 750 refugees per year for the last 30 years.

       Ardern should just shut up until she has a moral leg to stand on.
   • Blazer 4.2

     23 August 2018 at 8:38 pm

     Agree .
     Why create tension where none needs to exist

     Domestic matters should take priority..
5. Stuart Munro 5

   23 August 2018 at 1:51 pm

   I hope the government manage the conflict astutely – Dutton’s party is on the ropes at home. An external enemy is just what he needs. More in sorrow than in anger might do the trick.
6. RedLogix 6

   23 August 2018 at 1:58 pm

   Mickey. I’m genuinely conflicted on this issue. Absolutely and without quibble the refugees in various detention camps like Nauru are in a terrible position and NZ’s offer to accept them is both necessary and decent.

   At the same time NZ cannot afford to look smug on this. It’s only geographic good fortune that we are not in the same position as Australia. And we delude ourselves if we imagine for one instant that we might have handled the same crisis any better.

   After much thought and listening to other Australians talking about it; my position is this. Every nation has both a mandate and duty of care to it’s citizens to manage it’s borders. Totally closed or totally open borders are not options, therefore some settings in between must be determined and imposed. And each nation has the right to determine what those settings are.

   Furthermore illegal immigration is a crime and invalidates all other immigrants who have gone through a legitimate process. In this view the current Liberal govt must be credited with stopping the evil people smuggling trade.

   But nothing so far looks anything like a long-term solution. With a certainty the people smugglers are only biding their time for more favourable political winds. Recognising that illegal immigration is often an act of desperation only a new approach which addresses the motivation to flee one’s homeland will ever be an effective and humane solution.

   And this in turn can only be effectively addressed in a global political space; ideally the UN or at least initially by a regional player such as APEC.
   • Exkiwiforces 6.1

     23 August 2018 at 4:33 pm

     I fully agree with your view RedLogix, on this as it’s the same with me unfortunately especially with some of the talks I’ve had with Navy and Airforce personal that have been use as broading parties and bits of information that I’ve picked up along my travels.
   • greywarshark 6.2

     23 August 2018 at 4:42 pm

     Ph come off it Red Logix. We need to get on and do things not quibble about how cold the water is as we dip our toes. Deal with the present and say this is not a precedent and we understand your position. Isn’t that what we are trying to do
     anyway. It seems that you are trying to be a Colossus of Rhodes across the
     ditch and splitting in two. Perhaps best if you just thing Oz and let us get on with our petty problems.
     • RedLogix 6.2.1

       23 August 2018 at 5:36 pm

       OK so I was too anodyne for you. I’ll re-cast it like this.

       Adern’s offer is the right thing to do, but it could easily come with some much bigger wrong consequences. Especially if we play the arrogant ‘we’re better than the bigot Aussies’ card.
       • Sabine 6.2.1.1

         23 August 2018 at 8:28 pm

         so what should then be done?
         • RedLogix 6.2.1.1.1

           23 August 2018 at 9:30 pm

           We should confirm the offer and make it clear that NZ would have no objection to these refugees being subsequently refused visas if they tried to enter Australia from NZ. That would cover off one objection.

           Also the intake should be clearly flagged one off deal to be included within our normal refugee quota, in order to signal this is not any kind of open door for the people smugglers, which addresses the main concern.

           Better still get Winston to horse-trade for an improved citizenship path for kiwis permanently domiciled in Australia. That kind of deal making they understand. Frame it as as a strictly pragmatic offer as a gesture towards improving trans-Tasman political relations and leave out any traces of moral superiority. Totally doable.
           • Sabine 6.2.1.1.1.1

             24 August 2018 at 11:32 am

             yep, that sounds good.
7. marty mars 7

   23 August 2018 at 4:07 pm

   “I hope Jacinda sticks to her position. And I really hope that she finds time to meet with some of the refugees. To remind them that not all western leaders are inhumane.”

   Yep sums it up for me.
8. indiana 8

   23 August 2018 at 4:13 pm

   Australia has also worked with other countries to take some of these people, but they themselves have refused the country they were offered. This includes the USA. These people are intent on entering Australia only.

   Dutton’s position is that due to the relationship between NZ and Aus, is that if they are grated NZ citizenship, then it is very likely that they will enter Australia – something that the Australian’s do not want, as mentioned by an earlier comment that it makes a mockery of the process where people are legally immigrating to Australia.

   So, does New Zealand want to consider a different citizenship category for refugees, so that they cannot enter Australia after obtaining NZ citizenship? I didn’t think so.
9. Cinny 9

   23 August 2018 at 6:00 pm

   Screw Aussie, go straight to the Nauru Government and ask them.

   If refugees then want to go on to Aussie, which I highly doubt after how they’ve been treated by the Aussies, their government can deal with it then.
   • Ad 9.1

     23 August 2018 at 6:02 pm

     Nauru are already really clear that they are fine with the arrangement they have with Australia.

     Jailing Australias rejects is the primary industry of Nauru, and Australia pays them sufficiently for it.
     • Cinny 9.1.1

       23 August 2018 at 7:57 pm

       Was thinking about that Ad, wondering how much employment etc an aussie ‘prison camp’ brings to Nauru. Usually it comes down two things, money and power.
     • greywarshark 9.1.2

       23 August 2018 at 10:53 pm

       From what I have heard Nauruans are not fine with it. But they have pressure on them to keep the prisoners.
   • RedLogix 9.2

     23 August 2018 at 6:07 pm

     That’s a reasonable question Cinny. It’s not at all clear if these people will even come to NZ.

     As for them subsequently trying to enter Australia, there is no need to invoke any different NZ citizenship category for refugees. All that would likely happen is that if they attempted to enter Australia the appropriate visa (SC444) would not be administratively issued at the airport and they’d be on the next flight back to NZ.
   • Sanctuary 9.3

     23 August 2018 at 6:11 pm

     Send a frigate to Nauru and just take them, especially the children. What would Nauru be able to do? How big is their Navy?

     The Aussies would be apoplectic at being bearded in a client state, until it dawns on them we’ve done them a huge favour by removing a massive PR headache for them and saved them gazillions in costs.
     • Timeforacupoftea 9.3.1

       23 August 2018 at 9:02 pm

       I liked the last comment from Ad:
       ( Ardern should just shut up until she has a moral leg to stand on).
       Ad 4.1.1
       23 August 2018 at 6:00 pm
       Until the National government increased it to 1,000 in 2016, New Zealand had been taking in 750 refugees per year for the last 30 years.

       Ardern should just shut up until she has a moral leg to stand on.
       • greywarshark 9.3.1.1

         23 August 2018 at 10:54 pm

         Vice versa.
10. Rasputin 10

    27 August 2018 at 9:27 pm

    Makes you wonder how much Helen Clark is whispering in Jacinda’s ear, hey it worked for me, put on the look at me I am a kind compassionate person who also favours those that can hire a boat rather than join the legitimate queue.

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