NRT: Fixing Christchurch

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1. blue leopard 1

   28 June 2014 at 1:18 pm

   The two posts combined here (NRT’s and lprent’s) sound promising. It sounds like Labour are really engaging in the issues that are arising in Christchurch that are causing increasing problems and slowness and accordingly are coming up with approaches that will fix the problems and slow responses.

   Good work Labour.
2. Get It Right 2

   28 June 2014 at 2:16 pm

   Canterbury local authorities have been averaging 510 new dwelling building consents a month since April 2013, that’s over 6000 new dwellings a year – and around 300 new dwelling consents a month before that (over 3500 a year). Fewer than 1000 completed in 3 and a half years? Have Statistics New Zealand got their numbers completely wrong?

   [lprent: I suspect that if you had thought about it for even a second (clearly thinking is not your strength), that consents are not new buildings. You need a building consent for adding a deck, adding a garage, and even for many building repairs. Buildings don’t get built when a consent is made

   It is hard to know why you are wrong because you haven’t linked to something showing where your assertion has arisen from. In all probability you have simply read it incorrectly either by accident or deliberately. If it was that latter, as I suspect, then the reason for not linking is obvious.

   But Statistics NZ will be correct since they measure completed new dwelling places that are designed for the purpose and do so directly from builders.

   BTW: Adding you to autospam as this appears to be a rather bad astroturf and you appear to be too stupid to comment here effectively. Consider this to be for your own good. I had cleaning up the volumes of derision this kind of comment will trigger.

   But I suspect that I have it correct in describing you as a moran. Like this guy… ]
3. Mike 3

   29 June 2014 at 11:27 am

   [lprent: Sadly this fool didn’t read the post or Labour’s policy.

   And here I was thinking that the main feature of the policy was to ensure that overseas workers were required to be paid the new minimum wage rates after living accommodation is deducted.

   As the post points out, the reason that kiwi workers aren’t taking the jobs is because the wages are less than the cost of living.

   Now watch this spinner avoid that issue. ]

   Sadly the Labour party are pressing dog-whistle politics still with their immigration policy.

   “Under a Labour government, Kiwi business must exhaust the options for hiring local workers before bringing in overseas migrants.”

   There are two things about this which are annoying:

   1) It has been a mandatory requirement since 2009 that Kiwi businesses must prove they have exhausted options for hiring (or training) local workers before employing overseas migrants.

   Not including this evidence is one of the main reasons that applications for work visas are declined. Additionally for most jobs (except the most skilled) government staff must conduct a labour market test (i.e. a check for NZ workers) and if they believe there are any available the employer’s evidence is ignored. In Christchurch a whole separate Hub (www.opportunitycanterbury.org.nz) was set up in January 2013 to do these mandatory checks.

   So firstly this is annoying because it misleads the public about the current system where proof is already required.

   2) Most migrants are not “brought in from overseas”. Over three quarters of applications for work visas are from people already here. Often they are in a job and have to renew their visa.

   This test is important because every time they renew their visa there has to be another labour market test to check to see if there are any New Zealand workers available. If there are the migrant worker loses the job, plain and simple.

   So secondly this is annoying as it incorrectly gives the impression hordes of people are being brought from overseas which is again misleading the public to be anti-migrant.

   I am disappointed by Labour’s policy which offers nothing useful or new and is confused. For example trying to apply a points system (which relates to residence applications) to work visas. Mind you, it is better than the United Future policy which is going to bring in even more things which are already happening.

   [lprent: If you want to astroturf, then do it elsewhere. I am intolerant of fuckwits who don’t address what is actually in the post. Or even what was in the policy. Labour didn’t say that they were putting in a new policy about documentation showing that a search for local workers had failed. What they said was that they were going to stop the exploitation on migrant workers and that they would be putting in policies to ensure that they got paid an adequate wage. ]
4. DH 4

   29 June 2014 at 11:58 am

   I’ve always stayed out of the ChCh discussions, not really any of my business, but maybe an outside view is worth considering….

   To my mind ChCh is an illustration of what’s gone wrong with politics over the last 20-30yrs, neither National nor Labour have really got the message here. In a civic disaster the duty of Govt is to provide, and from what I’ve heard they haven’t.

   The provision of labour & housing are two glaring failures. Its not true that ChCh needs only skilled tradesmen. The construction industry is highly adaptable, when skilled labour is in short supply for large projects they change their methods. Dubai has been built by (mostly) unskilled and semi-skilled third world labour, you won’t find many genuine tradespeople doing the donkey work there.

   In a situation like ChCh you turn tradespeople into supervisors and hire semi-skilled labour. The likes of Fletcher might want only skilled tradespeople but they don’t need them. Tradies don’t like bossing around semi-skilled trogs but they’ll do it in exchange for more pay. The quality of work doesn’t suffer if it’s done right.

   NZ has all the labour ChCh needs, it’s just not been prepared. You can’t make a tradesperson in 12 months but you certainly can train an unemployed person enough to hold their own on a construction site. The Govt had all the time in the world to provide the labour ChCh needs and they’ve utterly failed to do so.

   Housing…. well little needs to be said on that. Transient workers are competing with the locals for accommodation, pushing the cost up for everyone. The last sites to be built on should be full of temporary worker accommodation, and I very much doubt they are. There’s no shortage of options, the UK are doing temp housing like this for some $NZ40k and it would cost less here;

   http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2450762/Shipping-containers-rented-London-homes.html

   Dead easy to set up sites with those stacked up and you could run plumbing & power to them very cheaply. Transient workers want cheap accommodation, they’re there to earn some cash and they do not want to pay a fortune for room & board.

   IMO what was required was planning and mobilisation by the state. The Govt needed to set up special industry training courses nationwide and then provide inexpensive housing for the labour as it arrived in. Instead they look to have just handed out cash by the bucketload, continually passing the buck onto the private sector.

   It’s still not too late, this is a not to be repeated opportunity to get large numbers of our unemployed into productive work where they can build a stake and also learn a trade that will endure well past the rebuild.

   I’m half surprised Labour haven’t seen the opportunity here. Mobilising the resources of the state to get the unemployed into work is something I thought would resonate very strongly with the middle class voters they’re trying to win.
   • felix 4.1

     29 June 2014 at 12:37 pm

     Agree 100%

     Chch is THE most urgent issue in NZ and has been for four. fucking. years. while the govt has done fuck all about it.

     It is also a massive opportunity to soak up unemployment – and not with meaningless make-work schemes but with doing the most important and necessary work in the country.

     The election is right there.

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