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NRT: Who is lying here?

Written By: - Date published: 8:31 am, March 18th, 2015 - 25 comments
Categories: climate change, global warming, john key - Tags: ,

I/S at No Right Turn on Key in Parliament yesterday…

Who is lying here?

New Zealand’s greenhouse gas emissions have been growing. Yes, they dropped in 2007 due to the recession, but since then they have continued to grow, from 41.27 MTCO2-e in 2008 to 49.45 MT now – an increase on 20%.

Today in Question Time, Green co-leader Dr Russel Norman asked the Prime Minister about that record of emissions growth. His answer? “His facts are incorrect” and to claim that the numbers were “misinformation”.

The problem? Those numbers come from the inventory the government provides to the UNFCCC. So, the Prime Minister is basically claiming that the numbers of his own Ministry for the Environment are false. And if he’s right, MfE has been lying to the UNFCCC and is in breach of its international obligations.

So who is lying here? The Prime Minister, or the internationally-scrutinised Ministry for the Environment? I think we all know the answer here. But it highlights yet again the Prime Minister’s reflexive response of claiming that politically inconvenient facts are false and to accuse people of lying when they cite his own government’s numbers at him. This is not the tactic of an honest man; instead it is the tactic of a deeply dishonest one.

25 comments on “NRT: Who is lying here? ”

  1. jenny kirk 1

    ” This is not the tactic of an honest man; instead it is the tactic of a deeply dishonest one.”

    Yep – well, we all know that. I just wonder when the rest of NZ will realise it too !

    • Tracey 1.1

      when they start seeing his lies challenged in the media, which is slowly beginning.

      • Murray Simmonds 1.1.1


        I agree; I noticed that there’d been a subtle change in the MSM reporting from a couple of weeks back – a kind of MSM acceptance (along with an implied “sigh”) that all is not well with a government that attempts to force its position down the throats of the electors by out-and-out lying.

        Which includes of course, the act of claiming that the opposition is lying, in the hope that a gullible public might go along with the government’s claim that THEY are the merchants of truth.

        Unfortunately for the Gov’t, they have miscalculated the extent of public gullibility.

        Their much-vaunted “focus groups” seem, by the day, to be getting more and more myopic, and are getting more and more things WRONG. (The “Northland bridges” saga, for example, seems to have backfired in the faces of the party hierarchy including the one-eyed ‘minister of silly talks’ who bears a similar name to the saga itself).

        The New Zealanders out there who DIDN’T vote ‘gnatshionil’ last year are not as stupid as the focus group leaders would apparently like to think.

        • Tracey

          I think the by-election has helped greatly… the media, I think, have been quite excited that maybe Winston will win and make parliament “more interesting” to them… Cos it is all about them.

          • Ergo Robertina

            ”The media” is not a homogenous entity. Pretty sure Mike Hosking isn’t exactly relishing the idea of Winston making Key’s life difficult.
            Always best to focus on outcomes I reckon, and actually, a Winston win will make politics interesting in terms of the numbers in the House. And that will hopefully have a positive effect and minimise the harm caused by this Govt as long as Winston doesn’t sell out.

            • Tracey

              Actually in many ways the MSM is a homogenous entity…

              I dont want to give the impression I think the media want Winston to win cos it’s Winston. But because of the outcome it will produce

              • Ergo Robertina

                ”Actually in many ways the MSM is a homogenous entity…”

                Well, maybe, but not in the sense you were arguing in respect of Winston and the little matter of the Nats having safe numbers.

                Re your second paragraph, my comment about outcomes was not intended to mean I care for any particular outcome the media may favour, but rather the outcome of effecting a constraint on the Nats’ ability to push harmful legislation.

                • Tracey

                  I got that … i was just clarifying my poor writing which suggested the media liked winston, which is not correct…

                  “Well, maybe, but not in the sense you were arguing in respect of Winston and the little matter of the Nats having safe numbers.”

                  Are as many in the media writing favourably about national in the Nrthland by=election process compared to, say, in campaign 2014?

                  • Ergo Robertina

                    I’m not sure what you mean.
                    You’ve said the media as a singular entity want Winston to win in order to liven things up in Parliament.
                    Does your question imply the coverage has become more hostile toward National (en masse, or only some?), or are you saying the media is just as National friendly as in the 2014 campaign?

                    • “The media”, as in the lazier parts of the mainstream media, were largely uninterested in any alternatives to the “national is going to win” narratives they’ve been running every since Key’s first “landslide”.

                      They are now interested in a different narrative for the by-election, which opens the possibility there will be some more balanced coverage for the next general election.

          • Macro

            I think the by-election has helped greatly… the media, I think, have been quite excited that maybe Winston will win and make parliament “more interesting” to them… Cos it is all about them.

            my bold
            Regrettably so very very true 🙁

          • Anne

            Tracey @

            Well, if you had to sit all day listening to a bunch of dim witted, boring old farts (and a few Nat. fartesses) mumbling away about nothing, then you would welcome a feisty old fart coming along and at least making it less of an ordeal. 😉

    • aerobubble 1.2

      Tax cut was balanced, nudge nudge wink wink, mps get a huge tax cut windfall, enough no doubt to handle Keys’ pay cut. The downturn was great for MPs after tax incomes, only now is Key getting sticky, maybe recoup some money to get back out of deficit.

  2. saveNZ 2

    ” This is not the tactic of an honest man; instead it is the tactic of a deeply dishonest one.”

    Yep, I think the penny has dropped:)

    Cashier Key, is just out to rob the people of NZ.

    His tactic of denial and attack is getting old.

    Even MSM are bored as their ratings plummet with their propping up of the daily revelations of lies and dishonesty fed as news.

  3. tricledrown 3

    More porkies from poor key.
    Can’t he be brought before the privileges committee for misleading the house.

  4. ianmac 4

    Will Key be forced to correct his emissions “error” today in QT? Unlikely as he didn’t deliberately mislead the House – did he?

  5. Atiawa 5

    Smile & wave is coming home to roost.

  6. ghostwhowalksnz 6

    I hope this is worthy of a followup today.

    And please dispense with the ‘does he stand by all his statements’ idiotic question.

    The answer is allways yes, even if he has just used a chainsaw to cut off his nose.

    Isnt it better to say ‘does the PM agree with the data from Ministry of Environment …etc’

    Pin down the data first and then walk him back into the minefield of his promises

    • Tracey 6.1

      isnt that the strategy cos that is all they have to give in advance?

      • ghostwhowalksnz 6.1.1

        The trouble with being vague is that the speaker allows vague answers.

        Give him all the notice of what he will be asked first so he can have the exact detail in front of him.
        Any supplementary s can pursue different tracks.

        This used to be a labour stance and it never worked well.

        Little seems to have mostly dropped it but the Greens have taken it up, but Key is such a cunning manipulator he runs rings around them if they do it this way.

        Ask the Minister for the environment some of these technical questions in the days before.

        The GHG totals are central to the Greens policy so they need to make this their only job for the week. And keep going at it till Key is trapped by his own lies.

  7. Barfly 7

    “gun meet foot”

    • NZJester 7.1

      “gun meet foot” is something he does a lot and should have shoot off most of his toes by now. But lucky for him the MSM have previously gifted him with a pair of Kevlar socks for his feet and he is able to easily discard the bullet riddled shoes to hide the evidence thanks to them.
      Has his stock of Kevlar socks finally run low?

      • Jones 7.1.1

        Unfortunately, John Key is a multi-millionaire and can afford many pairs of kevlar socks… probably has a standing order for them.

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